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(Daily Mail)   Ladies and gentlemen, Frontier Airlines regrets to announce your flight maybe slightly delayed for technical reasons-namely that the pilot is hammered   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 45
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2012-02-17 11:23:08 AM
Well, if he loses his job at Frontier he can always get work at Southwest
 
2012-02-17 11:29:07 AM
what's his fark handle?
 
2012-02-17 11:30:01 AM
Party in the sky!
 
2012-02-17 11:32:29 AM
It's 5 o'clock (a.m.) somewhere.
 
2012-02-17 11:32:42 AM
Anything to do with that beer thread three green lights ago?
 
2012-02-17 11:32:53 AM
He wasn't arrested? A 2 hour delay just because the shuttle bus driver thought he might have been drunk?

Guess the pilot didn't tip enough.
 
2012-02-17 11:40:25 AM
FTFA: "The flight was a regional route operated by Chautauqua Airlines"

Works for an out-sourced contractor for Frontier. Probably paid $20,000/yr.
 
2012-02-17 11:41:15 AM
I thought only Northwest Airlines pilots were allowed to be sloshed.
 
2012-02-17 11:43:44 AM
So what if the pilot was drunk. I'm drunk at work right now but you don't see me complaining about it.

\works from home
 
2012-02-17 11:46:19 AM

King Something: Well, if he loses his job at Frontier he can always get work at Southwest


Or he can become Speaker of the House of Representatives.
 
2012-02-17 11:47:03 AM
Is this worse than a Cessna in POTUS airspace with 40 pounds of weed on board?

/or is that a completely different kind of flying altogether?
 
2012-02-17 11:48:34 AM
blissfullycaffeinated.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-02-17 11:52:59 AM
Flying out of Detroit last year on Delta. Time to board, they start calling everyone up and THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PLANE IS. No plane at the gate. No idea where the plane is or why it is not at the gate. "We have seats for you, but no plane."

Of course this was Delta so it is to be expected.
 
2012-02-17 11:53:04 AM

Delay: King Something: Well, if he loses his job at Frontier he can always get work at Southwest

Or he can become Speaker of the House of Representatives.


Or become an honorary Kennedy
 
2012-02-17 11:53:30 AM

lockheed1039: Is this worse than a Cessna in POTUS airspace with 40 pounds of weed on board?

/or is that a completely different kind of flying altogether?


Is that a completely different kind of flying?
 
2012-02-17 11:53:57 AM
Two things that really upset me about stories like these.

1) The fact that they blame the mainline carrier when it would be just as easy and more accurate to say "Chautauqua Airlines pilot" in the headline. It's similar to a couple years ago when there was a drunk "United Express Airlines pilot." There's no such thing as United Express Airlines. It was a Republic Airlines pilot and "United Express" is an amalgamation of many "regional" airlines.

2) The article is very vague on details. I can tell you that if I was accused of being drunk on duty, even in jest, I would do 3 things. First, remove myself from the flight. Second, Request a blood test/breathalyzer immediately. And thirdly, make a PA to the entire gate area explaining why their flight would be delayed and point out who caused the delay.
 
2012-02-17 12:04:37 PM
Subby your, and illiterate maroon.
 
2012-02-17 12:11:54 PM

Jester41K: Two things that really upset me about stories like these.

1) The fact that they blame the mainline carrier when it would be just as easy and more accurate to say "Chautauqua Airlines pilot" in the headline. It's similar to a couple years ago when there was a drunk "United Express Airlines pilot." There's no such thing as United Express Airlines. It was a Republic Airlines pilot and "United Express" is an amalgamation of many "regional" airlines.

2) The article is very vague on details. I can tell you that if I was accused of being drunk on duty, even in jest, I would do 3 things. First, remove myself from the flight. Second, Request a blood test/breathalyzer immediately. And thirdly, make a PA to the entire gate area explaining why their flight would be delayed and point out who caused the delay.


I think its good that they blame the mainline carrier. Thats the carrier that sold the tickets, built the schedule, made the website, did the advertising, created the product, etc. That is who the person thought they were flying on. When a mainline carrier decides to outsource to some crappy regional airline, they should be held completely responsible for the actions of that airline and its employees when operating as that carrier's regional.
 
2012-02-17 12:13:31 PM
In MY worst flying experience ever, I first was on a America West flight from DC to Reno that was supposed to leave around 7:00pm but just kept getting mysteriously delayed until every other airline's evening Reno flights had departed, at which point they fessed up that they couldn't fly because "the Flight attendants didn't up" and apparently they had no spares (nor did they appreciate my offer to "sky waitress for them" if it meant we could get on the plane)

so, of course they want us to rebook on their flight (they had only two ) going out at 5 or 7PM the next day. When I pitched a fit at a 24-hour delay (I was meeting people to go camping in the desert) They reluctantly put me on a 5:30am flight to Chicago, followed by a connecting "puddle jumper" to Reno on something called Reno airlines. Besides being cramped, the second flight wasn't too bad until a (in my mind slightly tipsy) Pilot comes on the intercom and says "Ladies and gentlemen, thanking you for flying Reno Air, please fell free to take your seat back cushions as a souvenier and anything else in the cabin that isn't nailed down, or that you can pry up, as I've just been informed that our airline will be out of business the moment our wheels touch the tarmac in Reno, but, not to worry, our contract with the baggage handlers means your luggage SHOULD get unloaded and taken to the terminal."
 
2012-02-17 12:24:29 PM

95629: I think its good that they blame the mainline carrier. Thats the carrier that sold the tickets, built the schedule, made the website, did the advertising, created the product, etc. That is who the person thought they were flying on. When a mainline carrier decides to outsource to some crappy regional airline, they should be held completely responsible for the actions of that airline and its employees when operating as that carrier's regional.


That's fair and I may cede the point. However, I guess I'm looking at it from the frontline employee perspective. Knowing that my reputation is being tarnished because of the decisions management made, or because some 23 year-old frosted-tipped EmbryRiddle grad didn't know when to say when.
 
2012-02-17 12:28:42 PM

Magorn: In MY worst flying experience ever, I first was on a America West flight from DC to Reno that was supposed to leave around 7:00pm but just kept getting mysteriously delayed until every other airline's evening Reno flights had departed, at which point they fessed up that they couldn't fly because "the Flight attendants didn't up" and apparently they had no spares (nor did they appreciate my offer to "sky waitress for them" if it meant we could get on the plane)

so, of course they want us to rebook on their flight (they had only two ) going out at 5 or 7PM the next day. When I pitched a fit at a 24-hour delay (I was meeting people to go camping in the desert) They reluctantly put me on a 5:30am flight to Chicago, followed by a connecting "puddle jumper" to Reno on something called Reno airlines. Besides being cramped, the second flight wasn't too bad until a (in my mind slightly tipsy) Pilot comes on the intercom and says "Ladies and gentlemen, thanking you for flying Reno Air, please fell free to take your seat back cushions as a souvenier and anything else in the cabin that isn't nailed down, or that you can pry up, as I've just been informed that our airline will be out of business the moment our wheels touch the tarmac in Reno, but, not to worry, our contract with the baggage handlers means your luggage SHOULD get unloaded and taken to the terminal."




Yeah, de-regulation. It's brought all of us the bounty of quasi humorous anecdotes.
I can remember when pilots were paid well and could afford nice homes and auto's and were considered well in the community and held positions that were envied. Not like the current day Ralph Kramdens.
 
2012-02-17 12:46:33 PM

Magorn: In MY worst flying experience ever, I first was on a America West flight from DC to Reno that was supposed to leave around 7:00pm but just kept getting mysteriously delayed until every other airline's evening Reno flights had departed, at which point they fessed up that they couldn't fly because "the Flight attendants didn't up" and apparently they had no spares (nor did they appreciate my offer to "sky waitress for them" if it meant we could get on the plane)

so, of course they want us to rebook on their flight (they had only two ) going out at 5 or 7PM the next day. When I pitched a fit at a 24-hour delay (I was meeting people to go camping in the desert) They reluctantly put me on a 5:30am flight to Chicago, followed by a connecting "puddle jumper" to Reno on something called Reno airlines. Besides being cramped, the second flight wasn't too bad until a (in my mind slightly tipsy) Pilot comes on the intercom and says "Ladies and gentlemen, thanking you for flying Reno Air, please fell free to take your seat back cushions as a souvenier and anything else in the cabin that isn't nailed down, or that you can pry up, as I've just been informed that our airline will be out of business the moment our wheels touch the tarmac in Reno, but, not to worry, our contract with the baggage handlers means your luggage SHOULD get unloaded and taken to the terminal."


It's really strange they weren't warm to your condescending ass. Very odd.
 
2012-02-17 12:50:33 PM
If you are going to spend the time to identify what type of airplane the pilot was going to fly, which is irrelevant to the story, at least put up a picture of the right one.
 
2012-02-17 12:51:57 PM
Well, technically that is a problem.
 
2012-02-17 12:57:53 PM

Magorn: Besides being cramped, the second flight wasn't too bad until a (in my mind slightly tipsy) Pilot comes on the intercom and says


Hold on, though. A lot of airplane PA systems naturally make the pilot sound hammered.

I've always wanted to reverse-engineer their plane PA systems and put that same technology into a Shane MacGowan stomp-box for live performances by irish bands that aren't so committed as to embalm their vocalist.
 
2012-02-17 01:01:07 PM

Jester41K: 95629: I think its good that they blame the mainline carrier. Thats the carrier that sold the tickets, built the schedule, made the website, did the advertising, created the product, etc. That is who the person thought they were flying on. When a mainline carrier decides to outsource to some crappy regional airline, they should be held completely responsible for the actions of that airline and its employees when operating as that carrier's regional.

That's fair and I may cede the point. However, I guess I'm looking at it from the frontline employee perspective. Knowing that my reputation is being tarnished because of the decisions management made, or because some 23 year-old frosted-tipped EmbryRiddle grad didn't know when to say when.


Hey now, it is Chautauqua, and it was the Captain. So, 25-years old, and a Purdue grad.

/Not a Riddle rat.
//Nor a purdubie.
 
2012-02-17 01:08:21 PM

Magorn: In MY worst flying experience ever, I first was on a America West flight from DC to Reno that was supposed to leave around 7:00pm but just kept getting mysteriously delayed until every other airline's evening Reno flights had departed, at which point they fessed up that they couldn't fly because "the Flight attendants didn't up" and apparently they had no spares (nor did they appreciate my offer to "sky waitress for them" if it meant we could get on the plane)

so, of course they want us to rebook on their flight (they had only two ) going out at 5 or 7PM the next day. When I pitched a fit at a 24-hour delay (I was meeting people to go camping in the desert) They reluctantly put me on a 5:30am flight to Chicago, followed by a connecting "puddle jumper" to Reno on something called Reno airlines. Besides being cramped, the second flight wasn't too bad until a (in my mind slightly tipsy) Pilot comes on the intercom and says "Ladies and gentlemen, thanking you for flying Reno Air, please fell free to take your seat back cushions as a souvenier and anything else in the cabin that isn't nailed down, or that you can pry up, as I've just been informed that our airline will be out of business the moment our wheels touch the tarmac in Reno, but, not to worry, our contract with the baggage handlers means your luggage SHOULD get unloaded and taken to the terminal."


August 30th, 1999?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_Air

(CSB)
 
2012-02-17 01:14:45 PM

95629: FTFA: "The flight was a regional route operated by Chautauqua Airlines"

Works for an out-sourced contractor for Frontier. Probably paid $20,000/yr.


The regional flights with Frontier's partners really suck ass, for the record. I was on some suckass Embraer 190 two years ago on Christmas and it was the worst.

Their main route flights are pretty nice for the price, though. Not fancy, but their Airbus E318s - E320s are comfy.
 
2012-02-17 01:20:22 PM

dv-ous: Magorn: Pilot comes on the intercom and says "Ladies and gentlemen, thanking you for flying Reno Air, please fell free to take your seat back cushions as a souvenier and anything else in the cabin that isn't nailed down, or that you can pry up, as I've just been informed that our airline will be out of business the moment our wheels touch the tarmac in Reno, but, not to worry, our contract with the baggage handlers means your luggage SHOULD get unloaded and taken to the terminal."

August 30th, 1999?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_Air

(CSB)


That was epic
 
2012-02-17 01:21:42 PM
Whats all the fuss about ?These days the damn things fly themselves.
 
2012-02-17 01:23:14 PM

hollywood7301:

/Not a Riddle rat.
//Nor a purdubie.


Egyptian hunting dog, here.
 
2012-02-17 01:50:53 PM

Trance750: dv-ous: Magorn: Pilot comes on the intercom and says "Ladies and gentlemen, thanking you for flying Reno Air, please fell free to take your seat back cushions as a souvenier and anything else in the cabin that isn't nailed down, or that you can pry up, as I've just been informed that our airline will be out of business the moment our wheels touch the tarmac in Reno, but, not to worry, our contract with the baggage handlers means your luggage SHOULD get unloaded and taken to the terminal."

August 30th, 1999?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_Air

(CSB)

That was epic


So it was. It was my first time going to Burning Man , so that would have been 1999, and I got in on a Monday IIRC, so I think that's exactly right
 
2012-02-17 01:55:16 PM

Evil Mackerel: Whats all the fuss about ?These days the damn things fly themselves.


Yeah, except for the 3 minutes during which it's actually possible for something to go wrong.
 
2012-02-17 02:11:04 PM

Jester41K: hollywood7301:

/Not a Riddle rat.
//Nor a purdubie.

Egyptian hunting dog, here.


Lots of those in Southern Illinois.

Knara, most folks I know like the 190s from a passenger perspective. Of course, the company that bought Frontier are the same ones running the 190s, and they have their heads firmly up their asses on figuring out a decent product. Then throw in a disgruntled front-line employee group, and you'll piss off the world 99 people at a time, every time.

JetBlue operates the 190s and they've got a better product, hands down.
 
2012-02-17 02:21:58 PM

Evil Mackerel: Whats all the fuss about ?These days the damn things fly themselves.


Nort sure if you're serious, stupid, or a troll.
 
2012-02-17 02:31:25 PM

Huck Chaser: Evil Mackerel: Whats all the fuss about ?These days the damn things fly themselves.

Yeah, except for the 3 minutes during which it's actually possible for something to go wrong.


3 minutes? That's a long damn time! I was thinking more like a fraction of a second, maybe, I dunno, I'm too drunk to figure it out.
 
2012-02-17 02:38:18 PM

Magorn: Trance750: dv-ous: Magorn: Pilot comes on the intercom and says "Ladies and gentlemen, thanking you for flying Reno Air, please fell free to take your seat back cushions as a souvenier and anything else in the cabin that isn't nailed down, or that you can pry up, as I've just been informed that our airline will be out of business the moment our wheels touch the tarmac in Reno, but, not to worry, our contract with the baggage handlers means your luggage SHOULD get unloaded and taken to the terminal."

August 30th, 1999?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_Air

(CSB)

That was epic

So it was. It was my first time going to Burning Man , so that would have been 1999, and I got in on a Monday IIRC, so I think that's exactly right


I worked with American Airlnes at that time, and they sent a number of our agents over during the transition. I believe (if memory serves me correctly) they were bought out and merged with American Eagle
 
2012-02-17 02:48:11 PM
Pilot must have thought this (new window) was real
 
2012-02-17 02:58:40 PM

Evil Mackerel: Whats all the fuss about ?These days the damn things fly themselves.


It's less "fly themselves" and more "do what the pilot tells them". Which is a huge difference, especially if the pilot is drunk.
 
2012-02-17 03:07:48 PM
"There's going to be a delay, the pilot has dropped his glass eye into his martini."
 
2012-02-17 03:18:21 PM

costermonger: Evil Mackerel: Whats all the fuss about ?These days the damn things fly themselves.

It's less "fly themselves" and more "do what the pilot tells them". Which is a huge difference, especially if the pilot is drunk.


While the airplanes today do have an auto-fly feature, the pilots still have to manually take off and land
 
2012-02-17 03:48:42 PM

Trance750: While the airplanes today do have an auto-fly feature, the pilots still have to manually take off and land


Well, plenty of them can land too, but it's not like that's being done the majority of the time.

Autopilots are like many other forms of automation we all use all the time. Garbage in, garbage out. Can we use a GPS to navigate to somewhere we've never been before? Sure. Can it take us there if we don't tell it precisely where we want to go? No. If we make a mistake entering the address, does it figure that out and correct us? Probably not.

Every autopilot I've ever flown will happily fly the aircraft into the ground if that's what you ask it to do. I'm sure there are systems that are more complicated that help to prevent that, but they're just there to fly the plane. The pilot has to do the thinking.
 
2012-02-17 04:02:13 PM

costermonger: Trance750: While the airplanes today do have an auto-fly feature, the pilots still have to manually take off and land

Well, plenty of them can land too, but it's not like that's being done the majority of the time.

Autopilots are like many other forms of automation we all use all the time. Garbage in, garbage out. Can we use a GPS to navigate to somewhere we've never been before? Sure. Can it take us there if we don't tell it precisely where we want to go? No. If we make a mistake entering the address, does it figure that out and correct us? Probably not.

Every autopilot I've ever flown will happily fly the aircraft into the ground if that's what you ask it to do. I'm sure there are systems that are more complicated that help to prevent that, but they're just there to fly the plane. The pilot has to do the thinking.


Yes I know. I was retorting to the idiot who said it didn't matter if the pilot was drunk or not, because the airplanes fly by themselves
 
2012-02-17 06:13:58 PM

Trance750: Magorn: Trance750: dv-ous: Magorn: Pilot comes on the intercom and says "Ladies and gentlemen, thanking you for flying Reno Air, please fell free to take your seat back cushions as a souvenier and anything else in the cabin that isn't nailed down, or that you can pry up, as I've just been informed that our airline will be out of business the moment our wheels touch the tarmac in Reno, but, not to worry, our contract with the baggage handlers means your luggage SHOULD get unloaded and taken to the terminal."

August 30th, 1999?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_Air

(CSB)

That was epic

So it was. It was my first time going to Burning Man , so that would have been 1999, and I got in on a Monday IIRC, so I think that's exactly right

I worked with American Airlnes at that time, and they sent a number of our agents over during the transition. I believe (if memory serves me correctly) they were bought out and merged with American Eagle


So how badly trashed WERE those planes when you took them over, some folks seemed to take the captain's offer seriously, and we'd have stolen the bar cart outright but the stewardesses beat us to it
 
2012-02-17 10:41:24 PM

Magorn: Trance750: Magorn: Trance750: dv-ous: Magorn: Pilot comes on the intercom and says "Ladies and gentlemen, thanking you for flying Reno Air, please fell free to take your seat back cushions as a souvenier and anything else in the cabin that isn't nailed down, or that you can pry up, as I've just been informed that our airline will be out of business the moment our wheels touch the tarmac in Reno, but, not to worry, our contract with the baggage handlers means your luggage SHOULD get unloaded and taken to the terminal."

August 30th, 1999?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_Air

(CSB)

That was epic

So it was. It was my first time going to Burning Man , so that would have been 1999, and I got in on a Monday IIRC, so I think that's exactly right

I worked with American Airlnes at that time, and they sent a number of our agents over during the transition. I believe (if memory serves me correctly) they were bought out and merged with American Eagle

So how badly trashed WERE those planes when you took them over, some folks seemed to take the captain's offer seriously, and we'd have stolen the bar cart outright but the stewardesses beat us to it


I don't know, I wasen't one of the people who went and never even heard about the trashing the plane, until now.

If they waited until the last minute to tell the Captian, I would say his anger was justified.

Welcome to Corporate America, where you can run a company into the ground, and still get millions in severance packages, where the working Joe, just gets a swift kick in the ass.
 
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