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2012-02-17 10:45:45 AM  
i.usatoday.net
 
2012-02-17 10:49:51 AM  
Every time i see "brokered convention" I read it as "borked convention" and I picture the Swedish Chef as the Republican nominee.

I also picture Robert Bork as the Swedish Chef.

I think it might be a mental disorder.

\Børk! Børk! Børk!
 
2012-02-17 10:50:09 AM  
The only reason for a brokered convention is because the establishment cannot control the massive # of new delegates that were elected in 2010 for the GOP. Mainly Ron Paul delegates.
 
2012-02-17 10:50:17 AM  
So, do you guys think there will be a really loud "bang" when the GOP implodes, or do you think it will be a silent, bright light?
 
2012-02-17 10:52:11 AM  
I wanted a brokered convention for selfish reasons. The live tweeting alone would be worth it.
 
2012-02-17 10:54:00 AM  
This is almost making me wish I hadn't switched parties so I could run for a delegate slot. I'd so love to be there in Tampa and be a part of a brokered convention.
 
2012-02-17 10:57:21 AM  

Ed Finnerty: So, do you guys think there will be a really loud "bang" when the GOP implodes, or do you think it will be a silent, bright light?


If the GOP collapses in the woods and nobody cares, does it still make a sound?
 
2012-02-17 10:58:51 AM  
I think a good bet would be to buy shared in Sarah Palin.
http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=743476

She won't win, or be the nominee, but once a brokered convention actually happens and she puts her name in the hat, the shares will skyrocket. Throw some money your willing to lose and you're investment could go up 10 fold.
 
2012-02-17 11:00:25 AM  

King Something: [i.usatoday.net image 490x368]


How does a Daniels-Christie ticket sound to you?
 
2012-02-17 11:06:34 AM  

ChimpMitten: I think it might be a mental disorder.


nah, just an indication of a highly-connected brain. You should find someone with access to brain scanner (MRI, maybe DTI) to find out what your ratio of axon-to-neuron is. It may be above average.
 
2012-02-17 11:07:09 AM  

ChimpMitten: Børk! Børk! Børk!


Also, it's an indication that you are awesome.
 
2012-02-17 11:08:43 AM  

CapnBlues: ChimpMitten: I think it might be a mental disorder.

nah, just an indication of a highly-connected brain. You should find someone with access to brain scanner (MRI, maybe DTI) to find out what your ratio of axon-to-neuron is. It may be above average.


That's liberal intelligentsia talk right there.
 
2012-02-17 11:10:26 AM  

Poopspasm: CapnBlues: ChimpMitten: I think it might be a mental disorder.

nah, just an indication of a highly-connected brain. You should find someone with access to brain scanner (MRI, maybe DTI) to find out what your ratio of axon-to-neuron is. It may be above average.

That's liberal intelligentsia talk right there.


oops.
-Rick Perry

(better?)
 
2012-02-17 11:11:05 AM  
Isn't the anti-christ a six-headed ravenous dog beast that will rise out of the ocean? I mean, to believe that revelations is predicting actual physical events you have to be a biblical literalist regarding the book in the first place, I don't see why you'd randomly stop being a literalist for that one verse.

//You would also have to believe that the six-headed dog-beast and all that happened 1900 years ago or so and that you missed it all, if you were a more general biblical literalist, given that Jesus said the end times/judgement would come before Peter's death.
 
2012-02-17 11:13:05 AM  
Odds of the anti-Christ taking over America still at 100%

edcone.typepad.com
 
2012-02-17 11:15:18 AM  

CapnBlues: oops.
-Rick Perry

(better?)


Ice cream!
 
2012-02-17 11:18:51 AM  
Ed Finnerty: So, do you guys think there will be a really loud "bang" when the GOP implodes, or do you think it will be a silent, bright light?

I really hope we're watching it explode right now.

But I fear is that America is lurching very hard to the right. Strip away a thin veneer of civilization, and underneath human beings are fearful, superstitious, ignorant, and tribal. And, American society is changing very quickly, in ways that are making a lot of people very scared. The regressive authoritarians who are on the national stage right now are very good at finding common enemies for their constituents to hate, and promising a return to glorious imagined past. They have found something that is very appealing to a lot of people.

Let's put it this way. Santorum is actually leading the Republican nomination race in some polls. Without his policy positions, he would be completely and totally unelectable -- he has absolutely no personal charisma, no support in his party, and no ability to raise money. But there are a sizable group of people who support him regardless, because they <i>support his policies</i>. In four years, there's a very good chance the Republicans will field a candidate who has the political skills to actually compete in an election, and who is just as regressive, authoritarian, and xenophobic as Santorum is. If that happens, God help us all.
 
2012-02-17 11:20:29 AM  
Doesn't the fable of the anti-christ have the AC coming to the people presenting himself as a faux savior? Ask yourself, in this election cycle, which party is more loaded with people acting like they would be saviors?
 
2012-02-17 11:29:16 AM  

The Larch: Ed Finnerty: So, do you guys think there will be a really loud "bang" when the GOP implodes, or do you think it will be a silent, bright light?

I really hope we're watching it explode right now.

But I fear is that America is lurching very hard to the right. Strip away a thin veneer of civilization, and underneath human beings are fearful, superstitious, ignorant, and tribal. And, American society is changing very quickly, in ways that are making a lot of people very scared. The regressive authoritarians who are on the national stage right now are very good at finding common enemies for their constituents to hate, and promising a return to glorious imagined past. They have found something that is very appealing to a lot of people.

Let's put it this way. Santorum is actually leading the Republican nomination race in some polls. Without his policy positions, he would be completely and totally unelectable -- he has absolutely no personal charisma, no support in his party, and no ability to raise money. But there are a sizable group of people who support him regardless, because they <i>support his policies</i>. In four years, there's a very good chance the Republicans will field a candidate who has the political skills to actually compete in an election, and who is just as regressive, authoritarian, and xenophobic as Santorum is. If that happens, God help us all.


I see Santorum's momentum as precisely the opposite--it's not a sign that the country is lurching hard right, it's the last gasp of a dying era trying to cling desperately to their position of power. They see the handwriting on the walls, they know that their regressive policies have lost the support of most of the country, and they're making their last stand.

The culture wars are over, they've lost, they just haven't figured that out yet.
 
2012-02-17 11:32:59 AM  

The Larch: Strip away a thin veneer of civilization, and underneath human beings are fearful, superstitious, ignorant, and tribal.


Yeah, I thought lord of the flies was entertaining, too, but it was an allegory for conflict within the individual psyche, not a literal interpretation of how humans work. Even a shallow look at history will show you basically the opposite. Not that we aren't superstitious and so on, but our brave, scientific, wise, and polycultural instincts tend to win out in the end damn near every time. Even Hobbes' rather cynical view of humanity asserts that this is the case, he just ascribes it a different base cause than most people (that the good qualities are "good" in the first place because they maximize the overall benefit to members of the social contract).

You should stop freaking out about the GOP candidates. I mean, vote against them in the general and de-register from the party, they and it suck way too much to merit your actual vote, but they don't represent some inevitable collapse of humanity into barbarism-- they're just assholes, same as we've always had assholes. Breathe, man. Breathe.
 
2012-02-17 11:33:18 AM  

The Larch: In four years, there's a very good chance the Republicans will field a candidate who has the political skills to actually compete in an election, and who is just as regressive, authoritarian, and xenophobic as Santorum is. If that happens, God help us all.


The problem is, we had that, for eight years, and after his reign of terror the opposition party was swept into power. The response was to double down on it. I don't think it's going to play well; fatigue and exhaustion with being told to be afraid at all times is going to overwhelm the message.
 
2012-02-17 11:43:07 AM  

Ed Finnerty: So, do you guys think there will be a really loud "bang" when the GOP implodes, or do you think it will be a silent, bright light?


I figure it'll sound more like a wet fart.
 
2012-02-17 11:48:40 AM  

rynthetyn: I see Santorum's momentum as precisely the opposite--it's not a sign that the country is lurching hard right, it's the last gasp of a dying era trying to cling desperately to their position of power. They see the handwriting on the walls, they know that their regressive policies have lost the support of most of the country, and they're making their last stand.

The culture wars are over, they've lost, they just haven't figured that out yet.


So this is a kamikaze assault then?
 
2012-02-17 11:49:51 AM  

Elandriel: The problem is, we had that, for eight years, and after his reign of terror the opposition party was swept into power.


Actually Bush wasn't all that regressive on social issues, even on the ones where he did hold a hard-right opinion he was more apathetic than anything, and on many social issues he didn't hold such a position in the first place. Note that the hardest he ever pushed the abortion thing was the stem-cell ban (which, while stupid, didn't actually impact abortion as such) and he actually proposed an amnesty for illegal aliens (an offer he withdrew in puzzlement when his GOP colleagues reacted with stunned horror).

This is not to say that the man's presidency wasn't pretty much a disaster, but the man himself wasn't a righty hard-liner any more than Obama is a lefty hard-liner. He sat fairly close to the center, which was how he won the election in the first place (Gore, for all his experience and practical expertise, sat pretty far to the left of the president he served under policy-wise).

//This, of course, makes the GOP even dumber for running hard-liners, since the take-away here is that basically every candidate that's won a POTUS election in the last five decades or so sat or seemed to sit closer to the center-line of US politics than their competition. The exception, I guess, being Reagan.
 
2012-02-17 11:54:43 AM  
How many Ron Paul supporters ran as delegates for other candidates?
 
2012-02-17 12:02:30 PM  

rynthetyn: The Larch: Ed Finnerty: So, do you guys think there will be a really loud "bang" when the GOP implodes, or do you think it will be a silent, bright light?

I really hope we're watching it explode right now.

But I fear is that America is lurching very hard to the right. Strip away a thin veneer of civilization, and underneath human beings are fearful, superstitious, ignorant, and tribal. And, American society is changing very quickly, in ways that are making a lot of people very scared. The regressive authoritarians who are on the national stage right now are very good at finding common enemies for their constituents to hate, and promising a return to glorious imagined past. They have found something that is very appealing to a lot of people.

Let's put it this way. Santorum is actually leading the Republican nomination race in some polls. Without his policy positions, he would be completely and totally unelectable -- he has absolutely no personal charisma, no support in his party, and no ability to raise money. But there are a sizable group of people who support him regardless, because they <i>support his policies</i>. In four years, there's a very good chance the Republicans will field a candidate who has the political skills to actually compete in an election, and who is just as regressive, authoritarian, and xenophobic as Santorum is. If that happens, God help us all.

I see Santorum's momentum as precisely the opposite--it's not a sign that the country is lurching hard right, it's the last gasp of a dying era trying to cling desperately to their position of power. They see the handwriting on the walls, they know that their regressive policies have lost the support of most of the country, and they're making their last stand.

The culture wars are over, they've lost, they just haven't figured that out yet.


The culture wars will never be over, my young friend. Next it might be about people getting implants or some other unknown change. The youth of today are the establishment of tomorrow, and they will fight just as hard to maintain what they think is "right".
 
2012-02-17 12:16:50 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Elandriel: The problem is, we had that, for eight years, and after his reign of terror the opposition party was swept into power.

Actually Bush wasn't all that regressive on social issues, even on the ones where he did hold a hard-right opinion he was more apathetic than anything, and on many social issues he didn't hold such a position in the first place. Note that the hardest he ever pushed the abortion thing was the stem-cell ban (which, while stupid, didn't actually impact abortion as such) and he actually proposed an amnesty for illegal aliens (an offer he withdrew in puzzlement when his GOP colleagues reacted with stunned horror).


I have to say that I agree with you. Bush was by no stretch a social conservative on every issue. He repeatedly and forcefully stated that we should not be directing our anger at the vast majority of Muslims who are peaceful people and want to live their lives uninterfered by us. I also remember him being a strong advocate for the dignity of illegal immigrants and pushing for including them in America rather than making their lives hell. The only issue I remember him pushing for is banning same-sex marriage by amending the Constitution, and I don't recall him being anywhere near as forcefully against LGBT rights as Rick Santorum. Yeah, his actions and lack thereof did cripple the economy, but that doesn't change that he was a decent guy who simply had bad economic and defense ideas thanks to picking poor advisors.
 
2012-02-17 12:18:15 PM  

ChimpMitten: Every time i see "brokered convention" I read it as "borked convention" and I picture the Swedish Chef as the Republican nominee.

\Børk! Børk! Børk!


It seems they could do worse given the current 'front-limpers'. It also seems like a strong, clear message of 'Børk!' would be an improvement in respect of clarity and comprehensibility.
 
2012-02-17 12:18:50 PM  

DozeNutz: The only reason for a brokered convention is because the establishment cannot control the massive # of new delegates that were elected in 2010 for the GOP. Mainly Ron Paul delegates.


whyweprotest.net
 
2012-02-17 12:22:28 PM  

ChimpMitten: Every time i see "brokered convention" I read it as "borked convention" and I picture the Swedish Chef as the Republican nominee.

I also picture Robert Bork as the Swedish Chef.

I think it might be a mental disorder.

\Børk! Børk! Børk!


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-02-17 12:35:47 PM  

Ed Finnerty: So, do you guys think there will be a really loud "bang" when the GOP implodes, or do you think it will be a silent, bright light?


you all cheer now, but I fear what will happen to this nation when one party disappears and the other is unchecked and in power. We need the political discourse even if you can't stand what the other person is saying.
 
2012-02-17 12:36:28 PM  
Great idea, Republicans!
(Remember to all bring your guns.)
 
2012-02-17 12:38:25 PM  

Churchy LaFemme: Ed Finnerty: So, do you guys think there will be a really loud "bang" when the GOP implodes, or do you think it will be a silent, bright light?

I figure it'll sound more like a wet fart.


If it's wet, it's not really a fart.
 
2012-02-17 12:38:54 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So this is a kamikaze assault then?


More of a suicide bombing.
 
2012-02-17 12:39:25 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Isn't the anti-christ a six-headed ravenous dog beast that will rise out of the ocean?


SN1987a goes boom: Doesn't the fable of the anti-christ have the AC coming to the people presenting himself as a faux savior?


1 John 2:22, New International Version:
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist-denying the Father and the Son.

2 John 1:7, New International Version:
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
 
2012-02-17 12:40:35 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: Ed Finnerty: So, do you guys think there will be a really loud "bang" when the GOP implodes, or do you think it will be a silent, bright light?

you all cheer now, but I fear what will happen to this nation when one party disappears and the other is unchecked and in power. We need the political discourse even if you can't stand what the other person is saying.


Nah. If the GOP vanished overnight, the Dems would be debating how to split- not whether, but how- before the next sunset.
 
2012-02-17 12:42:36 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: Ed Finnerty: So, do you guys think there will be a really loud "bang" when the GOP implodes, or do you think it will be a silent, bright light?

you all cheer now, but I fear what will happen to this nation when one party disappears and the other is unchecked and in power. We need the political discourse even if you can't stand what the other person is saying.


Well, since we're in the realm of speculation...

Eh, might not be a bad thing... The GOP dissolves, the Democrats take over the center right position, a new center-left party is formed by the liberal wing of the old Democrats, and, possibly, a far right party is formed by the Teabaggers.
 
2012-02-17 12:44:01 PM  
I'm sure they will assassinate RON PAUL before letting that happen.

/not sure if serious
 
2012-02-17 12:44:14 PM  

Wasteland: Le Grand Inquisitor: Ed Finnerty: So, do you guys think there will be a really loud "bang" when the GOP implodes, or do you think it will be a silent, bright light?

you all cheer now, but I fear what will happen to this nation when one party disappears and the other is unchecked and in power. We need the political discourse even if you can't stand what the other person is saying.

Nah. If the GOP vanished overnight, the Dems would be debating how to split- not whether, but how- before the next sunset.


If a blue dog party emerged I might just be convinced to change my registration. But you are correct, progressives really really want a national platform to finally enact their true beliefs.
 
2012-02-17 12:45:07 PM  
net.onextrapixel.com

/hot like the mark of the beast
 
2012-02-17 12:50:15 PM  

Wasteland: Le Grand Inquisitor: Ed Finnerty: So, do you guys think there will be a really loud "bang" when the GOP implodes, or do you think it will be a silent, bright light?

you all cheer now, but I fear what will happen to this nation when one party disappears and the other is unchecked and in power. We need the political discourse even if you can't stand what the other person is saying.

Nah. If the GOP vanished overnight, the Dems would be debating how to split- not whether, but how- before the next sunset.


Yes. It would be more like a reset to the Democratic and Republican parties from earlier in the 20th century than anything else. Even some of the more left-wing Democrats of today would get along well with Republicans of that era.
 
2012-02-17 12:51:13 PM  
He's already in charge!
 
2012-02-17 12:58:42 PM  
barack hussein obama
6 7 5

added together equals 18/3 = 6

His name averages out

6....6.....6

/looking glass, through it
 
2012-02-17 01:00:33 PM  

moanerific: He's already in charge!


www.bravotv.com

Disapproves
 
2012-02-17 01:05:36 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Isn't the anti-christ a six-headed ravenous dog beast that will rise out of the ocean?


You're thinking of the Beast, which is a 7-headed leopard-like horned thing in the Book of Revelation.
 
2012-02-17 01:16:39 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: But you are correct, progressives really really want a national platform to finally enact their true beliefs.


This, in a nutshell, is the differences in the two parties.

The Progressive wing of the Democrats sigh and grumble as they are dragged to the center by the base.
The Republican base, meanwhile, timidly and fearfully follow the fringe further right.
 
2012-02-17 01:23:51 PM  

Skyrmion: Jim_Callahan: Isn't the anti-christ a six-headed ravenous dog beast that will rise out of the ocean?

You're thinking of the Beast, which is a 7-headed leopard-like horned thing in the Book of Revelation.


Oh, yes, my mistake, upon looking it up the anti-christ isn't a term used in revelations at all, it's a term used to describe nonbelievers and douchebags as a group in John's letters and has nothing to do with judgement day at all.

Sorry, been a while since I've had cause to go over the hallucinogen-inspired books.
 
2012-02-17 01:23:57 PM  

Famous Thamas: The culture wars will never be over, my young friend. Next it might be about people getting implants or some other unknown change. The youth of today are the establishment of tomorrow, and they will fight just as hard to maintain what they think is "right".


I'm all for it. fark it, let's just go transhuman. The human race is farked anyway.
 
2012-02-17 01:25:33 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: Ed Finnerty: So, do you guys think there will be a really loud "bang" when the GOP implodes, or do you think it will be a silent, bright light?

you all cheer now, but I fear what will happen to this nation when one party disappears and the other is unchecked and in power. We need the political discourse even if you can't stand what the other person is saying.


Never happen. Somebody will spring up to fill the power vacuum, just like the Republicans did when the Whigs self-destructed.

And hopefully they'll be more sane. Because they can't possibly be less.
 
2012-02-17 01:30:39 PM  

HeartBurnKid: And hopefully they'll be more sane. Because they can't possibly be less.


Aw shiat! Why'd you have to go and say that? Don't you watch movies? Somebody always says something like that just before it all goes to hell in a handbasket.
 
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