oh how I love beer snobs who are SOO concerned with what other people are drinking.

I suppose I should only ever buy what everyone else likes, and have all of what everyone else considers the finer things in life

/forgets how freedom of choice works

The Homer Tax: RDixon: One made up ad word.

Drinkability.

"Triple Hopped"

"Triple Filtered"

"Frost Brewed"

"Cold Filtered"

These are all beer advertising's versions of "It's Toasted."

For some reason I read that as "triple fisted" and became excited.

/PBR
//TurboDog
///Stella
////In that order

"american beer is like making love in a canoe. It's farking close to water." - Bruce

pute kisses like a man: Doesn't cold brewing something mean that you're doing a very crappy job of brewing the beer?

Nah, not really. To their credit, the BMCs of the world do an amazing job cranking out a consistent product. They produce hundreds of millions of barrels of beer a year and the taste never changes. It's actually quite a feat.

The "Cold Brewed" stuff is just nonsense. It's just "People like cold beer, so let's say our beer is so cold, we even brew it cold" - It's meaningless. To me, the "brewing" part of the beer has always been the mash and boil, which are hot. They literally can not be done "cold." What they are probably talking about (if they're thinking about it at all, which they're not) is the fermentation phase of the brewing process.

Lagers are all fermented cold. The temperature in which the yeast operates is much lower than that of ales. It's why they have such a clean flavor profile. That said, it's not even at temps close to what we would consider "frost" or "ice" because there's no yeast that I know of that can operate at that low of a temperature (sub 40F).

craig328: Jake Havechek: All Canadian beer sucks.

All of it.


I've drunk an awful lot of beer in my time and spent my formative beer drinking years in Canada (where you could by Canadian beer cheaper across the border in Queenston than you could in Ontario) and all your comment tells me is that you're judging from a small Molson/Labatts sample you may have one time tried from your local grocery store.


No, I split about 5 months between Ontario and Montreal in 1995, Sherlock, but feel free to make your own dumbass assumptions, farkwad.

Busch is drinkable, and very reasonable at $5.05 per 6 x 16 Oz.

\\ Not rich, must compromise.

CSB:

While I was at an airport bar, I guy walked up and ordered a Bud Light. The bartender said they don't carry Budweiser. The guy says "Well, give me the closest thing you have to Bud Light."
The bartender gave him a glass of water.

/True

Jake Havechek: capt.hollister: That list does not contain a single decent beer. Then again, I'm pretty sure that the best selling beers in any country are not the best beers produced in those countries. That's certainly true in Canada.

Beer snobs everywhere are just a small minority of beer drinkers.

/Guiness, Boddington's, and Messagère for me.

All Canadian beer sucks.

All of it.

Possibly. Since I'm sure you've tasted every last one of them while I'm still working on it, I won't argue the point. The same could be said for US beers. That is why I generally prefer Irish stouts and British bitters. La Messagère is gluten-free and is my choice when my friend with Celiac's disease comes around.

Aarontology: You know what's awesome?

Having control of the beer I drink and a complete lack of giving a f*ck about the beer other people drink.

Yes! I enjoy drinking copious amounts of Grolsch and let everyone else wallow in the filth that is Molson/Labatt/Miller. Is this going to be another Best Beer Evar thread?

capt.hollister: Jake Havechek: capt.hollister: That list does not contain a single decent beer. Then again, I'm pretty sure that the best selling beers in any country are not the best beers produced in those countries. That's certainly true in Canada.

Beer snobs everywhere are just a small minority of beer drinkers.

/Guiness, Boddington's, and Messagère for me.

All Canadian beer sucks.

All of it.

Possibly. Since I'm sure you've tasted every last one of them while I'm still working on it, I won't argue the point. The same could be said for US beers. That is why I generally prefer Irish stouts and British bitters. La Messagère is gluten-free and is my choice when my friend with Celiac's disease comes around.

Refer to the same reply I gave to the previous poster above.

Bf+: CSB:

While I was at an airport bar, I guy walked up and ordered a Bud Light. The bartender said they don't carry Budweiser. The guy says "Well, give me the closest thing you have to Bud Light."
The bartender gave him a glass of water.

/True

I hope you tipped 100%

Infamous El Guapo: I almost forgot about this guy, one of my favorite American lagers, and no nasty adjunct corn:
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Their green-label Fest is the balls.

Guys who by fancy cars are compensating for a small dick so what are beer snobs compensating for, a lack of testosterone? Yeah, you're the farking man because of the beer you drink.

I hesitate to bring this up in a beer snob thread, but this one is a very nice light warm weather beer



Worth a try

Yes, we know, most beer drinkers in America still go for the cheapest, most flavorless swill they can find. I think cheap is the main part. They just want an alcohol buzz.

Calmamity
You know what? Craft beers are fine and all, but when I want a beer for refreshment (which is most of the time), I'm going to go for something cheap and light, and a Monk's Ass Hoppy Wheat Yeastsplosion ain't that.

There are plenty of more flavorful but still refreshing beers out there without buying shiatty, macro brewed, adjunct laden pale lagers.

HairBolus
Here is a list of the top 20 sellers though it is by revenue not volume or percent of market so it is hard to estimate what is left.

sigh... every single beer on that list is a pale lager. Some are better than others. Better pale lagers avoid the adjuncts. Nevertheless, IMO the whole style is pretty much bland crap for people who don't like beer very much.

My current go-to:





Drink it when you can find it:



/is that a Stone glass it's in?

Andrew Wiggin: Private_Citizen: Must be beer math.

bistromathics?

The first nonabsolute number is the number of people for whom the table is reserved. This will vary during the course of the first three telephone calls to the restaurant, and then bear no apparent relation to the number of people who actually turn up, or the number of people who subsequently join them after the show/match/party/gig, or to the number of people who leave when they see who else has shown up.

The second nonabsolute number is the given time of arrival, which is now known to be one of those most bizarre mathematical concepts, a recipriversexcluson, a number whose existence can only be defined as being anything other than itself. In other words, the given time of arrival is the one moment of time at which it is impossible that any member of the party will arrive. Recipriversexclusons now play a vital part in many branches of mathematics, including statistics and accountancy, and also form the basic equations used to engineer the Somebody Else's Problem field.

The third and most mysterious piece of nonabsoluteness of all lies in the relationship between the number of items on the bill, the cost of each item, the number of people at the table and what they are each prepared to pay for. (The number of people who have actually brought any money is only a sub-phenomenon in this field.)

It sounds like a cricket game is about to break out

/I had the chicken

abhorrent1: Is this were everyone finds a pic of the most obscure beer they can find and pretends that it's all they drink?

I only drink Trappist Westvleteren 12, which can only be purchased directly from the monastery that brews it it Belgium. It costs me 39,000 euros per 24 pack. and they record the license plates of any car that comes to pick beer up from them (As well as any phone number used to make the reservations required to make that purchase), to make sure that you cannot buy more than one case every 2 months. AND, you have to sign an agreement that you will not share their beer for profit to anyone.

/And, when I run out of that I drink MGD.

Jake Havechek: craig328: Jake Havechek: All Canadian beer sucks.

All of it.


I've drunk an awful lot of beer in my time and spent my formative beer drinking years in Canada (where you could by Canadian beer cheaper across the border in Queenston than you could in Ontario) and all your comment tells me is that you're judging from a small Molson/Labatts sample you may have one time tried from your local grocery store.


No, I split about 5 months between Ontario and Montreal in 1995, Sherlock, but feel free to make your own dumbass assumptions, farkwad.

We've come a long way since then. But then again most Canadians I know think all American beer is what's listed in TFA. We've been steadily increasing our microbrewery numbers, basically just 10-20 years behind the States. Like many cultural things.

Banned on the Run


My current go-to:

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well cool...I know my liquor store has that and I just haven't bought it yet, but now, I will try it tonight.

no pressure.

Jake Havechek: capt.hollister: Jake Havechek: capt.hollister: That list does not contain a single decent beer. Then again, I'm pretty sure that the best selling beers in any country are not the best beers produced in those countries. That's certainly true in Canada.

Beer snobs everywhere are just a small minority of beer drinkers.

/Guiness, Boddington's, and Messagère for me.

All Canadian beer sucks.

All of it.

Possibly. Since I'm sure you've tasted every last one of them while I'm still working on it, I won't argue the point. The same could be said for US beers. That is why I generally prefer Irish stouts and British bitters. La Messagère is gluten-free and is my choice when my friend with Celiac's disease comes around.

Refer to the same reply I gave to the previous poster above.

5 months 17 years ago ? I assumed correctly, you are the absolute ultimate expert on all things related to Canadian beer. When is your book coming out ?

I generally enjoyed the tone of the article until I read the byline.
Jennn Fusion

Jennn
with 3 N's

*sigh

When I drink a beer, I want to drink something good. Sitting around all day drinking Bud Light or similar is IMHO stupid. For one thing, it doesn't taste good. Also that's a ton of calories. Plus more: you're not really going to get much of a buzz but your liver is still going to have to process a bunch of alcohol.

When I want to be refreshed, I drink a glass of farking tapwater. It's cheaper that Bud Light, contains no empty calories, and doesn't pointlessly tax my liver.

Beer is serious business!

Very disappointed Old Style didn't make the list. I grew up with my dad ordering kegs of that shiat, which I snuck out of the house in used milk jugs, and then I went to school in LaCrosse, WI, so I never had a chance from the get-go.

What drinking too much beer looks like.

Infamous El Guapo


Try it immediately, if not sooner.

American IPAs are king right now and there are a ton of very good California ones out there, Sierra Nevada, Bear Republic, Stone making some of the best. If you really like hops, give the double IPAs like Sierra's Torpedo and Stone's Double a shot. Good good beers.

I do like hops and my store also has Sierra's torpedo (haven't tried yet either)...I will pick up a sixer of each.
Come on 5 o'clock.

A few years ago, I lived in Oslo, Norway for about six months. Alcohol is taxed heavily there and a six pack of decent local beer (albeit in half-liter bottles) went for about US $25 at the neighborhood grocery store.
They had six packs of Budweiser (12 oz cans) in the imported section. The Bud was priced at something like US $45. Wow.

I picked up one of these out of curiosity last weekend. I enjoyed every single beer in the pack.

/Made by the same company that produces "Genny Light."

haruspex: None of these beers top my favorite:
cold and free!

You forgot wet

The Homer Tax: RDixon: One made up ad word.

Drinkability.

"Triple Hopped"

"Triple Filtered"

"Frost Brewed"

"Cold Filtered"

These are all beer advertising's versions of "It's Toasted."

Out of all of those advertising buzz words, "cold filtered" is the only one that actually is true and makes sense. Coors advertises this because they pasteurize their beer while it's still cold by passing it through a series of filters. The idea is that the beer's flavor is better preserved. Most mass produced adjunct lagers are pasteurized by heating it.

"Triple hopped" makes a shred of sense, but it isn't that simple. It means jack shiat without making assumptions such as what time intervals were the hops added and how much was added. Hops impart bitterness to a beer by boiling them. The alpha acids isomerize in the boil and provide that bitter character, however, the aromatics from the hops are driven off with the steam. So, the longer you boil hops in wort (up to full utilization - about 60 minutes), the more bitterness you get, but the less flavor and aroma. Adding hops at the beginning of the boil will give you bitterness to balance out the sweet wort, and adding more hops later in the boil will impart that hop flavor and aroma while adding very little to the bitterness (measured in IBUs - international bitterness units).

Jake Havechek: craig328: Jake Havechek: All Canadian beer sucks.

All of it.


I've drunk an awful lot of beer in my time and spent my formative beer drinking years in Canada (where you could by Canadian beer cheaper across the border in Queenston than you could in Ontario) and all your comment tells me is that you're judging from a small Molson/Labatts sample you may have one time tried from your local grocery store.


No, I split about 5 months between Ontario and Montreal in 1995, Sherlock, but feel free to make your own dumbass assumptions, farkwad.

FIVE whole months? Wow. No kidding, huh? When you were what, eleven?

Regardless, I've learned two things: your experience trumps my own 13 years there and...



...I see my powers of judgement are undiminished (tagged that this past summer). Thanks for being consistent! Good luck on that personality though.

45 bucks for a 6'er of Bud? Jesus S. Smith!


I could get a case of Spaten Optimator for 40 bucks....(mmm, Spaten)

that would last me 2-3 months possibly...I drink a beer now and then, thats it.


there are so many tasty beers to drink (I love dopplebocks and malty brews), that it just seems like a joke to watch folks drink Bud Light. that is some crappy beer-flavored water.

How you s'posed to run a successful business, you ain't got no Schlitz Malt Liquor!?! You ain't representin'! You ain't keepin' it real!

9beers: Guys who by fancy cars are compensating for a small dick so what are beer snobs compensating for, a lack of testosterone? Yeah, you're the farking man because of the beer you drink.

*Shrug* What are ITGs compensating for?

I just recently discovered this one:



Insanely yummy for something that comes out of a can.

I have many friends who actually PREFER these crappy beers. Diet Miller in particular (AKA "salt water"). They give me shiat, saying I drink "foo-foo beers". Ok, so the reasoning here is, if your beer is made by a brewer who spends more money on ingreients than commercials, you are effeminate.
My thinking, many numericans prefer these crap beers because they have no taste, they can jam them down their throats faster, get drunk faster. But why not just skip the labor, and drink 151 rum instead? Just hook it up to your veins, mainline it.
BTW, you will note the list contains the 10 most heavily advertised beers. What does that say about numericans?

Crunchy Frog: [www.2beerguys.com image 380x380]

/drool

Thanks, ahole, now my salivary glands have emptied and I have a meeting with my Fund Director in 40 minutes.

Jimmy Carter was once of the worst presidents of the 20th century, but I frequently raise a glass to him when drinking my awesome homebrew.

The Homer Tax: pute kisses like a man: Doesn't cold brewing something mean that you're doing a very crappy job of brewing the beer?

Nah, not really. To their credit, the BMCs of the world do an amazing job cranking out a consistent product. They produce hundreds of millions of barrels of beer a year and the taste never changes. It's actually quite a feat.

The "Cold Brewed" stuff is just nonsense. It's just "People like cold beer, so let's say our beer is so cold, we even brew it cold" - It's meaningless. To me, the "brewing" part of the beer has always been the mash and boil, which are hot. They literally can not be done "cold." What they are probably talking about (if they're thinking about it at all, which they're not) is the fermentation phase of the brewing process.

Lagers are all fermented cold. The temperature in which the yeast operates is much lower than that of ales. It's why they have such a clean flavor profile. That said, it's not even at temps close to what we would consider "frost" or "ice" because there's no yeast that I know of that can operate at that low of a temperature (sub 40F).

thanks for clearing that up. I'll just mark the whole "cold brewing" nonsense up to asinine marketing practices.

Founding fathers weep wake up with the worst toilet-shattering, head-aching, nauseating hangover ever.

Mmm...beer.

Bruxellensis: "Triple hopped" makes a shred of sense, but it isn't that simple. It means jack shiat without making assumptions such as what time intervals were the hops added and how much was added.

"It's Toasted" is a reference to Mad Men

The very first (I think) episode of the show, they're not allowed to advertise the health benefits of smoking anymore so they have to come up with a new campaign for lucky strike...

Don Draper: This is the greatest advertisting opportunity since the invention of cereal. We have six identical companies making six identical products. We can say anything we want. How do you make your cigarettes?
Lee Garner, Jr.: I don't know.
Lee Garner, Sr.: Shame on you. We breed insect repellant tobacco seeds, plant them in the North Carolina sunshine, grow it, cut it, cure it, toast it...
Don Draper: There you go. There you go.
[Writes on chalkboard and underlines: "IT'S TOASTED."]
Lee Garner, Jr.: But everybody's else's tobacco is toasted.
Don Draper: No. Everybody else's tobacco is poisonous. Lucky Strikes'... is toasted.
Roger: Well, gentlemen, I don't think I have to tell you what you just witnessed here.
Lee Garner, Jr.: I think you do.
Don Draper: Advertising is based on one thing: happiness. And do you know what happiness is? Happiness is the smell of a new car. It's freedom from fear. It's a billboard on the side of a road that screams with reassurance that whatever you're doing is OK. You are OK.
Lee Garner, Sr.: It's toasted.
[Smiles]
Lee Garner, Sr.: I get it.

I know how hop schedules work (homebrewing FTW). My point was that many/most beers are "triple hopped" - bittering, flavor, and aroma additions. So, when Miller says their beer is "triple hopped," they're not actually saying anything about their beer, they're just the first ones to say it.

It's their version of "It's Toasted."

The Homer Tax: pute kisses like a man: go to europe and you'll find budweiser popping up every where. It's not just an american problem.

That's because it's "imported" I wish I was joking.

What's funny is that we do the same thing here. Stella Artois has made this whole effort to brand their beer as "classy" in the US. But in the UK, Stella is what their version of rednecks drink.

Yeah, it's strange to see crappy american beers in the imported section.

and my Danish friends were all pretty shocked to see people paying top dollar for stellas. It took them a while to understand that it was exactly how I felt by their consumption of budweiser.

Crazy Talk Al: I just recently discovered this one:

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Insanely yummy for something that comes out of a can.

I can't actually see what that's a picture of, but I actually prefer my craft beer in cans.

Beer in cans generally lasts longer because there is zero exposure to light so it's at less risk of oxidation. Beer in cans also cools down faster, and cans are generally allowed in places (like the beach) where glass isn't.

Given the choice between a beer in a bottle and the exact same beer in a can, I reach for the can every time. There is some amazing beer that comes in cans these days, and every day more and more craft breweries are moving to cans because the initial investment is high, but it becomes cheaper in the long run, IIRC.