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(Air Australia FAQ)   With Air Australia bankrupt, how will Australians escape their miserable continent? Bonus: Link goes to the said airline's bankruptcy FAQ, perhaps the douchiest document ever conceived   (airaustralia.com) divider line 72
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2012-02-17 09:19:37 AM  
i43.tinypic.com

So they had enough time to incorporate the logo of their bankruptcy administrators but not enough time to help me find alternative flights back home?
 
2012-02-17 09:57:59 AM  
Didn't seem that douchy to me. It was just stating the facts and what people should do.
 
2012-02-17 10:01:22 AM  
It is inconceivable that they did not know bankruptcy was coming or that they would not have funds to operate; yet they continued to sell tickets.

That is pretty unethical.

A more ethical company would have shut down in a more orderly manner.
 
2012-02-17 10:06:13 AM  

Walker: Didn't seem that douchy to me. It was just stating the facts and what people should do.


I am stranded overseas and can't afford to get home - what happens now?
You should contact your card issuer immediately per Appendix One of this document or email your
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aka: Welp

That seems pretty bad to me.
 
2012-02-17 10:07:41 AM  

abfalter: It is inconceivable that they did not know bankruptcy was coming or that they would not have funds to operate; yet they continued to sell tickets.

That is pretty unethical.

A more ethical company would have shut down in a more orderly manner.


Corporations are completely amoral
 
2012-02-17 10:10:55 AM  
Virgin? Qantas?

It is douchy of that airline to do that to ppl.

At least there are far superior airlines they can use to escape Oz
 
2012-02-17 10:11:02 AM  
They can just hop on the backs of kangaroos.
 
2012-02-17 10:12:01 AM  
" Cash: unfortunately if you paid by cash, it is likely you will not be entitled to a refund unless you took out insurance AND that insurance covers an event of insolvency (i.e. financial failure of an airline). You should consult your policy or insurance advisor."

yay cash!
 
2012-02-17 10:12:57 AM  

Incog_Neeto: abfalter: It is inconceivable that they did not know bankruptcy was coming or that they would not have funds to operate; yet they continued to sell tickets.

That is pretty unethical.

A more ethical company would have shut down in a more orderly manner.

Corporations are completely amoral


That's not what their governing documents often say.
 
2012-02-17 10:13:15 AM  
With Air Australia bankrupt, how will Australians escape their miserable continent?

Should this be a Photoshop contest?
 
2012-02-17 10:14:37 AM  

Walker: Didn't seem that douchy to me. It was just stating the facts and what people should do.


There are different ways to state the facts.

They could have said:

"We have your money and you don't. If you paid cash for your ticket, you're a loser. Bwah ha ha ha ha. And, if you're outside Australia: Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha."
 
2012-02-17 10:14:40 AM  
I don't know much about Australia, nor have I ever visited...but why would you want to escape if you lived there? All things I've seen make it seem like a great place to be stuck.
 
2012-02-17 10:14:58 AM  
The company has to operate as if it will not shut down until it is determined that it has to. So yes, they will sell tickets up to the point that the creditors or their agents tell them it is all over.

Once BK is started, then there are a lot less people to do too many critical tasks. Unless there is an indication that the company will be a going concern, anything customer related is going to be put on the far, far back burner. For an airline, once BK is started, former customers are just more creditors and sources of demands: Where's my refund, where is my luggage, what happened to my flight, ect. ect.

This FAQ is just a very clear statement of truth. The airline is done. Sorry, you will need to find a different way home.
 
2012-02-17 10:15:57 AM  

Moopy Mac: Incog_Neeto: abfalter: It is inconceivable that they did not know bankruptcy was coming or that they would not have funds to operate; yet they continued to sell tickets.

That is pretty unethical.

A more ethical company would have shut down in a more orderly manner.

Corporations are completely amoral

That's not what their governing documents often say.


I wonder if Air Australia had a Mission Statement.
 
2012-02-17 10:21:38 AM  

kvinesknows: " Cash: unfortunately if you paid by cash, it is likely you will not be entitled to a refund unless you took out insurance AND that insurance covers an event of insolvency (i.e. financial failure of an airline). You should consult your policy or insurance advisor."

yay cash!


we ran and used your cash to pay off our high level managers...sorry buddy
 
2012-02-17 10:24:21 AM  

AgentBang: I don't know much about Australia, nor have I ever visited...but why would you want to escape if you lived there? All things I've seen make it seem like a great place to be stuck.


Because every living creature in Australia wants to kill you, that's why.
 
2012-02-17 10:27:01 AM  

AgentBang: I don't know much about Australia, nor have I ever visited...but why would you want to escape if you lived there? All things I've seen make it seem like a great place to be stuck.


having lived in melbourne for a year, i can agree wholeheartedly with your statement. it's a wonderful place to be stuck!
 
2012-02-17 10:28:17 AM  

Jim.Casy: Because every living creature in Australia wants to kill you, that's why.


Even the drop bears?
 
2012-02-17 10:29:01 AM  
images.wikia.com
 
2012-02-17 10:31:49 AM  

Jim.Casy: AgentBang: I don't know much about Australia, nor have I ever visited...but why would you want to escape if you lived there? All things I've seen make it seem like a great place to be stuck.

Because every living creature in Australia wants to kill you, that's why.


Very true. I honestly think even the dust bunnies are venomous.
 
2012-02-17 10:31:51 AM  

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: Jim.Casy: Because every living creature in Australia wants to kill you, that's why.

Even the drop bears?


Especially the drop bears.

/how did Fark get to be Strandy McStrandedson's personal travel blog site anyway? I kinda hope he is stranded in Iran or something with a raging case of Monkey Ass Flu
 
2012-02-17 10:32:13 AM  

Jim.Casy: Because every living creature in Australia wants to kill you, that's why.


and they're all poisonous
 
2012-02-17 10:33:51 AM  

You Are All Sheep: Very true. I honestly think even the dust bunnies are venomous.


shiat, 24 seconds
 
2012-02-17 10:33:55 AM  
Q. How do we escape our miserable continent when Quantas is out of the question and the other airline is in bankruptcy?

A. Auzzies desperate to go abroad can always use the traditional method which was common before the creation of commercial aviation in the 1920s. Go to Sydney, get drunk in a bar near the docks, and wake up a couple of days later to find you have been Shanghaied by the crew of a tramp steamer headed for Hong Kong.

First class passengers can still charter their own airplane, or fly in the superior comfort and luxury of first class on Cathay Pacific, Air Japan, or what not. Steerage passengers can always try to reach New Guinea or Fiji by raft.
 
2012-02-17 10:34:24 AM  

kvinesknows: " Cash: unfortunately if you paid by cash, it is likely you will not be entitled to a refund unless you took out insurance AND that insurance covers an event of insolvency (i.e. financial failure of an airline). You should consult your policy or insurance advisor."

yay cash!


Well that's not a problem. Only terrorists buy airline tickets with cash.
 
2012-02-17 10:38:07 AM  
FTA: "formerly Strategic Airlines"

Sounds like an outfit that would rent you a jump seat on a B-52...
 
2012-02-17 10:39:04 AM  

6502programmer: Well that's not a problem. Only terrorists buy airline tickets with cash.


seriously though, why would you ever buy an airline ticket in cash? Not sure how the rules work other places but in the USA your credit card company basically has no choice but to insure you against this type of thing.
 
2012-02-17 10:40:55 AM  

AgentBang: I don't know much about Australia, nor have I ever visited...but why would you want to escape if you lived there? All things I've seen make it seem like a great place to be stuck.


We don't want to escape obviously. Our economy is great and we don't play with those dangerous things anyway.
 
2012-02-17 10:45:50 AM  

it's lisa e.: AgentBang: I don't know much about Australia, nor have I ever visited...but why would you want to escape if you lived there? All things I've seen make it seem like a great place to be stuck.

having lived in melbourne for a year, i can agree wholeheartedly with your statement. it's a wonderful place to be stuck!


I had a few friends whose paents worked at the Australian embassy here in DC. They always had beautiful pictures of places there. I have always wanted to go. I miss my friends. I still have to send them care packages of lemonheads, because they are hard to get there apparently.
 
2012-02-17 10:51:14 AM  
Who knew that the country who spawned Hitler was a crappy place to live?
 
2012-02-17 10:52:23 AM  
Perhaps you are asking Can a wombat fly? And can I use one for alternate transport? Do they fly only at night? Do only the gay ones fly?

This should answer all your questions:
i25.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-17 10:52:38 AM  

groppet: it's lisa e.: AgentBang: I don't know much about Australia, nor have I ever visited...but why would you want to escape if you lived there? All things I've seen make it seem like a great place to be stuck.

having lived in melbourne for a year, i can agree wholeheartedly with your statement. it's a wonderful place to be stuck!

I had a few friends whose paents worked at the Australian embassy here in DC. They always had beautiful pictures of places there. I have always wanted to go. I miss my friends. I still have to send them care packages of lemonheads, because they are hard to get there apparently.




i do not remember lemonheads! they also do not have a lot of dr. pepper for some reason. they're big on these things called "chocolate bullets", which are licorice bits covered in chocolate. i've not been able to find them in the states *anywhere*! i'm surprised you're able to get perishable items through customs. i tried sending a sealed package of amish-made granola to a friend, and they received the package opened with a note scolding them for the food. i also received a note (as the sender) with the same.

there are some dangerous critters down there, but they won't let me send granola?!?

keep in touch with your friends, and try to pull off a 6 month tourist visa. there's a lot of "pay you cash-only" establishments, which can fund your trip around the continent.
 
2012-02-17 10:53:26 AM  
workers.labor.net.au
 
2012-02-17 10:53:34 AM  
Australia was the setting for 'The Sound of Music', so they've got that going for them.
 
2012-02-17 10:54:58 AM  

BitwiseShift: Perhaps you are asking Can a wombat fly? And can I use one for alternate transport? Do they fly only at night? Do only the gay ones fly?

This should answer all your questions:
[i25.photobucket.com image 444x334]


they *do* start young!

farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2012-02-17 10:55:18 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: [images.wikia.com image 319x357]


Silly. That company won't strand you. It will just promise you up and down to take you to China and instead drop you off in Iran telling you "well the flight to where we were going is what really mattered".
 
2012-02-17 10:58:02 AM  

it's lisa e.: groppet: it's lisa e.: AgentBang: I don't know much about Australia, nor have I ever visited...but why would you want to escape if you lived there? All things I've seen make it seem like a great place to be stuck.

having lived in melbourne for a year, i can agree wholeheartedly with your statement. it's a wonderful place to be stuck!

I had a few friends whose paents worked at the Australian embassy here in DC. They always had beautiful pictures of places there. I have always wanted to go. I miss my friends. I still have to send them care packages of lemonheads, because they are hard to get there apparently.



i do not remember lemonheads! they also do not have a lot of dr. pepper for some reason. they're big on these things called "chocolate bullets", which are licorice bits covered in chocolate. i've not been able to find them in the states *anywhere*! i'm surprised you're able to get perishable items through customs. i tried sending a sealed package of amish-made granola to a friend, and they received the package opened with a note scolding them for the food. i also received a note (as the sender) with the same.

there are some dangerous critters down there, but they won't let me send granola?!?

keep in touch with your friends, and try to pull off a 6 month tourist visa. there's a lot of "pay you cash-only" establishments, which can fund your trip around the continent.


Whenever my friends came back they brought me Redskins a type of rasspberry taffy and a few times wizz fizz. they were both pretty good.
 
2012-02-17 10:59:03 AM  
If there's douchiness in the FAQ, I couldn't detect it. I'd rather have a straightforward statement that the ol' runaround.
 
2012-02-17 10:59:33 AM  
If you want to fly out of Australia, Quantas is definitely the safest choice. Definitely.
 
2012-02-17 10:59:54 AM  

groppet: Whenever my friends came back they brought me Redskins a type of rasspberry taffy and a few times wizz fizz. they were both pretty good.



these were pretty good.
farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2012-02-17 11:00:17 AM  

Jim.Casy: AgentBang: I don't know much about Australia, nor have I ever visited...but why would you want to escape if you lived there? All things I've seen make it seem like a great place to be stuck.

Because every living creature in Australia wants to kill you, that's why.


Except for some of the sheep.
 
2012-02-17 11:00:38 AM  

Alunan: Walker: Didn't seem that douchy to me. It was just stating the facts and what people should do.

I am stranded overseas and can't afford to get home - what happens now?
You should contact your card issuer immediately per Appendix One of this document or email your
question to info[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]ailartsuaria[* image 7x13]com with the subject "Overseas".

aka: Welp

That seems pretty bad to me.


Apparently there are over 200 passengers "stuck" in Hawaii because of this. I guess it's okay to be "stuck" in Hawaii, but shiat that's gonna suck if you've got no more cash or you lose your job. Last minute international flights out of Hawaii are going to be rape rape, and that's if they're even available.
 
2012-02-17 11:03:17 AM  
FAQ looks fine to me. What exactly did you think should go in a FAQ, submitter?
 
2012-02-17 11:03:24 AM  
airline's bankruptcy FAQ, perhaps the douchiest document ever conceived

are you paid to write in legalese? It's a pretty straight forward bit of writing. No made-up verbiage no effort made to hide what just happened.
Just what I'd expect from someone from there. In other words, NOT written by a Philadelphia Lawyer (apologies to Philly).
It's a bad situation and for those that accidentally trusted the airline and paid cash - even worse.
So, the situation is awful and those that put customers in that situation are douchy or worse but the document - stands on it's own as a paragon of straight forward clarity.

howzat?
 
2012-02-17 11:03:44 AM  

bhcompy: Apparently there are over 200 passengers "stuck" in Hawaii because of this. I guess it's okay to be "stuck" in Hawaii, but shiat that's gonna suck if you've got no more cash or you lose your job. Last minute international flights out of Hawaii are going to be rape rape, and that's if they're even available.


As opposed to rape, rape, rape?
 
2012-02-17 11:04:31 AM  

it's lisa e.: groppet: Whenever my friends came back they brought me Redskins a type of rasspberry taffy and a few times wizz fizz. they were both pretty good.


these were pretty good.
[farm5.staticflickr.com image 500x375]


I will make them send me some for my birthday. I told them not to send me wizz fizz anymroe because the last tiem they did I think customs had a field day with it since it was a white powder. The package was tore up.
 
2012-02-17 11:04:59 AM  
It really annoys me when a bankrupt company doesnt spend enough money on their website design.

/and dont get me started about their choice of font
 
2012-02-17 11:06:55 AM  

AgentBang: I don't know much about Australia, nor have I ever visited...but why would you want to escape if you lived there? All things I've seen make it seem like a great place to be stuck.


Deadliest everything.
 
2012-02-17 11:09:00 AM  

starrion: The company has to operate as if it will not shut down until it is determined that it has to. So yes, they will sell tickets up to the point that the creditors or their agents tell them it is all over.


Indeed. This is certainly the position in the UK (basis for Australian law), although a company can, of course, choose to enter voluntary liquidation or voluntarily appoint administrators.

The difficulty can be that a company might experience a short-term cashflow problem just at the point when a big bill becomes due, and although they might be balance sheet solvent and believe that they can trade their way through it, if a big creditor comes in and insists on being paid right now it can lead to forced bankruptcy.
 
2012-02-17 11:12:36 AM  

dryknife: [workers.labor.net.au image 270x194]


Well THERE'S your problem..... Australian planes are far too farking small!

workers.labor.net.au
 
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