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(Talking Points Memo)   In one day, the GOP managed to set back the party's position on women back to the 1950s. Good luck getting out of this PR nightmare   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 52
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2012-02-17 12:01:03 AM
10 votes:
The Santorum campaign has already defused the contraception issue. Move on, people.

Contraception is not the issue. While we all know that the need for contraception merely represents the failure of morality and proper social upbringing, the real societal problems go far beyond the specter of loose women and a "boys will be boys" attitude. Contraception leads to a false sense of security, a willingness to embrace the taboo and dance with the devil in the pale moonlight. It leads to a foolish willingness to engage in free-wheeling sex, but what sex naturally does is lead to pregnancy. Pregnancy , in turn, leads to responsibility, and when you add women unwilling to accept that responsibility -- an unwillingness already demonstrated amply by her desire for contraception -- it leads to rape. And rape leads to even bigger problems. Consider Virginia, where the State legislature's recent willingness to stand up to the travesty that is abortion by requiring transvaginal ultrasounds has led to ridiculous accusations of state sponsored rape. Suddenly, a simple request that these women view the life growing in their uterus somehow represents a secondary "rape," merely because the medical procedure requires the insertion of a scientific instrument into her vagina. Of course, the reality is that the use of this device requires only a single insertion and slight manipulation of the device, and no rape worth mentioning involves only a single insertion. The sex act itself involves numerous insertions in order for the male to achieve ejaculation, and any reasonable definition of "rape," which involves the sex act being perpetrated upon a woman who believes at the moment that she is unwilling to have sex, must therefore require repeated, numerous insertions. Furthermore, since the woman receiving this procedure have already been allegedly "raped," there is no further trauma being inflicted upon her because her virginity has already been irreparably damaged. Were this procedure to be performed upon an unwilling female who is also a virgin, there might be cause for concern regarding unforseen trauma due to the possibility, however remote, of her Hymen seal being ruptured and that rupturing rendering her, in certain situations, less attractive as a marriage candidate. However, any woman who was actually "raped," as she claims, will experience no such trauma as the seal will already have been ruptured and her chastity, regardless of the merits of her "rape" claim, rendered a moot point.
2012-02-16 11:38:31 PM
10 votes:
what_now: They had a panel on woman's reproductive health WITHOUT. ANY. WOMEN.

If I was a Democratic senator I'd call a meeting about prostate health and only invite women to testify.
2012-02-16 11:05:12 PM
8 votes:
i46.tinypic.com
Been using this a lot lately
2012-02-16 11:00:05 PM
6 votes:
djkutch: I have an Obama mandated homeless person residing in my guest bedroom.

Trust me, the guy's not militia.


My name is Steve and you still haven't paid your half of the rent this month.
2012-02-16 11:30:35 PM
4 votes:
The Tea Party is the greatest piece of political performance art I've ever seen. I salute you all.
2012-02-16 10:52:58 PM
4 votes:
I have an Obama mandated homeless person residing in my guest bedroom.

Trust me, the guy's not militia.
2012-02-17 08:08:12 AM
3 votes:
aug3: just wait till young girls start showing up at the ER because they inserted to many aspirins

They used to get pregnant, but then they took an aspirin to the knee.
2012-02-17 07:47:32 AM
3 votes:
Corvus: Bladel: Watching the GOP disintegrate since the debt ceiling "crisis" last summer has been jaw-dropping.

And I wonder how much of this has been the result of active manipulation by Obama? With the Birth Control issue in particular, he seems to have waited until the GOP bit down hard on the shiny object before pulling the rug out.

That topics like this are dominating the news cycles is political farking genius on the part of the Dems.

I don't think this is any part Democrats plan. It's just the GOP hanging themselves with their own rope. They just attack anything Obama does without even bothering to think what the outcome will be.


Hoisted by their own retards, if you will.
2012-02-16 11:34:30 PM
3 votes:
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2012-02-16 10:36:45 PM
3 votes:
Well, they don't have the economy to campaign on anymore since that's getting better, so their only option is getting Sharia on all these American whores.

/Republicans. They hate us for our freedoms.
2012-02-17 08:55:29 AM
2 votes:
We are fighting against theocratic lunatics over here so we don't have to fight them over there.
2012-02-17 08:28:53 AM
2 votes:
"I demand that we stop the space program! It keeps leading us to believe that the Earth is not flat! This is a violation of my religious freedom! Only whores believe the Earth is round! Whores! Wicked, dirty, filthy whores! Dancing around in their short skirts! Whores! Flat Earth! Don't you f***in' look at me! Don't you f***in' look at me! It's Daddy's turn to play-y-y-y-y!"
2012-02-17 08:06:34 AM
2 votes:
just wait till young girls start showing up at the ER because they inserted to many aspirins
2012-02-17 07:10:31 AM
2 votes:
Animatronik: The only PR nightmare come November will be over Obamas health care edicts.

The debate over religious freedom has nothing to do with access to contraceptives, its about who can be required to pay for them.

This attempt ti conflate the issues will no doubt be extended to men on the Supreme Court when they toss out some of King Obamas edicts.


Yes. Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum totally won't do or say any more stupid shiat by November to cover the facts that they really don't have any ideas on the economy that Dickens and Sinclair didn't think up first.

Is there any chicken left, or have you reduced it to a handful of bloody feathers and Santorum?
2012-02-17 06:14:39 AM
2 votes:
People have been predicting the death of the GOP for quite a while now. Is this actually it? They have a laughable slate of presidential candidates + Romney, who for all of his willingness to please... doesn't. Their mouthpieces seem increasingly shrill, hysterical, and at times entirely disconnected from reality. The party that famously moves in lockstep has been engaged in fratricide for months as the primary season goes on. They vote against their own party platform in Congress and seem to think it's something to point at with pride.

People still refer to the GOP "establishment," but what are they doing? No one seems to be at the reins, and so this kind of windmill-flailing nonsense seems to be entirety of the party's message now.
2012-02-17 04:28:49 AM
2 votes:
depmode98: what the hell are all you farkers doing up in the middle of the night?

Reading stupid people's posts, apparently.
2012-02-17 04:06:52 AM
2 votes:
Someone might want to remind the GOP that women can VOTE now...
2012-02-17 02:49:31 AM
2 votes:
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2012-02-17 02:41:02 AM
2 votes:
Ever since I started burning through the West Wing, comments in the politics tabs get read in the voices of various characters. Josh, Leo, Toby, etc...

It's kinda neat actually.
2012-02-17 02:16:54 AM
2 votes:
What is the difference between an American conservative and an Islamofascist?
Nuthin'

What is the difference between Terri Schiavo and an American conservative?
Nuthin'

What was Timothy McVeigh?
An American conservative.

What are American conservatives good for?
Nuthin'

Glad I could clear that all up.
2012-02-17 02:08:42 AM
2 votes:
So: Filthy rich, straight white Christian males in sexless marriages, your choice is clear.

The rest of you, what in the name of the ten thousand dicks of Cockonahuiehecatl, the ancient Aztec patron god of bowls of flaming dicks are you doing voting Republican?!
2012-02-16 11:35:51 PM
2 votes:
"Some will see it as reinforcing the impression a lot of people have of Rick Santorum as the candidate straight out of the 1950's. I bet it gets played up that way," she said. "I think most of us know you can keep your knees together and still, um, do it."

Santorum can attest to that.
2012-02-16 11:32:14 PM
2 votes:
God Is My Co-Pirate: GAT_00: what_now: Nadie_AZ: what_now: A month ago, Mitt Romney made it seem like a national conversation on birth control was absurd, because no one would ever deny a woman the right to contraception. He actually chastised the moderator for bringing up such a ludicrous topic.

One. Month. Ago.

Pfffft. The guy is changing his mind and stance to keep up with the hurricane he's caught up in. Ultimately no one will trust anything he says.

yeah, not the point. The point is, A MONTH AGO, it was absurd to imagine a conversation about access to birth control, but we are HAVING THAT CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW!!!

It's not really a conversation. It's more like being locked into a room with a Sovereign Citizen.

There are a number of people I'd like to see locked into a room with Raven right now.

Also, why are we treating contraception like it's something that only benefits women?


We aren't. The gay men on Capitol Hill are.
2012-02-16 11:14:53 PM
2 votes:
Can we quit saying they want everything to go back to the 1950s? What they want is a return to 1900- before women had the right to vote, the American empire was young and upstart, the south had disenfranchised millions of black voters, chinese americans weren't full citizens, native indians were considered a novelty, robber barons held monopolies across the landscape, morality police tried to censor anything unvictorian, and the GOP was the party of stand pats and business.

THAT is what they want.
2012-02-17 02:28:18 PM
1 votes:
I, for one, would be willing to be on an all-female panel for a Congressional investigation into the following issues: circumcision, erectile dysfunction, prostate exams, manscaping, hot rod mods, and truck nutz.
2012-02-17 12:48:06 PM
1 votes:
commonsensepolitics: HeartBurnKid Smartest
Funniest
2012-02-17 12:22:49 PM


commonsensepolitics: HeartBurnKid Smartest
Funniest
2012-02-17 12:04:06 PM


commonsensepolitics: HeartBurnKid Smartest
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2012-02-17 11:49:15 AM


commonsensepolitics: Secondly, if you would like to revoke tax exempt status for the catholic church then you would have to revoke it for ALL non-profits (including Planned Parenthood).

Not at all. Churches would simply have to start following the same rules as other nonprofits if they wish to retain their nonprofit status.

I think you meant to add "except where those rules violate their first amendment rights" or were you planning to do away with that whole amendment first?

I'm not planning to "do away with that whole amendment" at all. If they wish to do something that's not consistent with the rules for nonprofits, they are free to give up their nonprofit status and do it.

Which rules are you concerned about?

That they actually register for their status, that they are transparent with their finances, and that they are apolitical.

OK...and that would satisfy you? And they can exercise their first amendment rights?


Again, as long as they either are consistent with the rules for nonprofit organizations, or they give up their nonprofit status, they can do whatever the fark they want.
2012-02-17 12:33:41 PM
1 votes:
what_now: We will *NOT* have a discussion about the future of our reproductive health. It is *NOT* on the table. And we sure as HELL won't let you discuss it without us.

Aw, that's cute. You think that you are a white male, with opinions that matter.
2012-02-17 10:43:18 AM
1 votes:
HeartBurnKid: God Is My Co-Pirate: There are a number of people I'd like to see locked into a room with Raven right now.

This guy?

[www.theraveneffect.com image 450x294]


I'm thinking more like this one . . .

2.bp.blogspot.com

/Hot, like an H-Bomb in the sidecar.
2012-02-17 10:15:06 AM
1 votes:
HotWingConspiracy: They used to get pregnant, but then they took an aspirin to the knee.

Teeeee heeeeee!
2012-02-17 09:47:05 AM
1 votes:
I am typically anti-abortion (not in favor of outlawing it, mind you) but in the case of randomjsa, I would have performed it with a wire hanger myself.
2012-02-17 09:08:21 AM
1 votes:
Philip Francis Queeg: wedun: Nadie_AZ: What they want is a return to 1900- before women had the right to vote, the American empire was young and upstart

US didn't start doing "Empire" stuff till after WWII

The Philippines would like a word.


Well it had better damnwell be in English as the Founding Fathers intended.
2012-02-17 07:58:55 AM
1 votes:
randomjsa: And TPM gets in line with the rest of the liberal media sources to tell absolute bald faced lies.

The hearing Thursday had nothing to do with contraception. TPM knows it, liberals know it, Obama knows it, and the rest of the media knows it, but that isn't stopping them from pretending otherwise in this continued effort to mislead people who aren't paying attention. Now we know why that stupid question about 'whether or not states should have the right to ban contraception' question kept getting asked in spite of the fact that the person it was being asked to kept saying 'Why are you even asking this? Nobody is going to do that. Nobody is talking about doing that.'

Was that part of a setup in what was going to become the new "If you don't vote for Kerry, Bush will draft you!" issue? A fake, non-issue, that isn't going to happen... A fake, non-issue that counts on peoples ignorance to scare them in to voting a certain way.The hearing Thursday concerned one thing and one thing only: Did Obama overstep his constitutional authority with the things he did last week? That's what it was about. Nothing else. I know you'd like to keep pretending it had something to do with contraception, but it didn't.

But I can see why liberals need to make this about a fake issue that they have to lie about because they certainly can't make this election about Obama if they want to have a chance in hell of winning it.


You're turbo-stupid.
2012-02-17 07:50:46 AM
1 votes:
img.photobucket.com

Lookin' good out there, fellas.
2012-02-17 07:49:30 AM
1 votes:
SquiggelyGrounders: Confabulat: SquiggelyGrounders: Confabulat: SquiggelyGrounders: Also, look at how most women under 30 dress themselves.

I do, as much as possible. What is your point?

You dress like a slut as much as possible?

1) you just supported the GOP.

2) you must beat men off with both hands

No, I'm a man. My comment was responding to your suggestion that I look at them.

in that case, my point is that you are supporting the conservatives in a way. Women dress slutty and it gets your attention. Then women start that whole competition thing to see who can out slutt whom.


Found a picture of SquiggleyGrounders. Now we all know why he hates women so much. I would suspect it's because they don't want anything to do with him. Sluts indeed.

i.somethingawful.com

Maybe you could date a pancake.
2012-02-17 07:43:16 AM
1 votes:
I was relieved to hear the GOP cancelled the remainder of the debates. I was expecting to see a standing ovation and hoots/cheers from the audience upon the telling of a story of a woman who was gangraped and was forced to have the baby or a woman who died receiving a back alley abortion.
2012-02-17 07:27:59 AM
1 votes:
The Cat Who Walks By Herself: People have been predicting the death of the GOP for quite a while now. Is this actually it? They have a laughable slate of presidential candidates + Romney, who for all of his willingness to please... doesn't. Their mouthpieces seem increasingly shrill, hysterical, and at times entirely disconnected from reality. The party that famously moves in lockstep has been engaged in fratricide for months as the primary season goes on. They vote against their own party platform in Congress and seem to think it's something to point at with pride.

People still refer to the GOP "establishment," but what are they doing? No one seems to be at the reins, and so this kind of windmill-flailing nonsense seems to be entirety of the party's message now.


as a politics junkie, I feel like I constantly have to remind myself to stop analyzing the GOP, and just sit back and enjoy the train wreck. I have no earthly clue what crazy, farked up non-issue is going to become the next party line or talking point. I feel like at this point, they're completely unpredictable.

It's simply un-farking-believable that their blind opposition to Obama knows absolutely no depth. We could have a meteor headed straight for earth, Deep Impact-style, and if Obama were to ask Congress for funding to build the spaceship that could save us all, they'd oppose him for trying to "prevent the Rapture" or some such shiat.

What a complete an utter embarrassment they are to our Nation. It's shameful. We should all bow our heads in shame that this is one of our two major political parties. I have never voted Republican, nor will I ever now, but I feel like if they got this bad, at some point, even a liberally-minded person such as myself did not do enough to prevent these motherfarkers from attaining any kind of legislative power.
2012-02-17 06:20:21 AM
1 votes:
Why are we Republicans making women suffer? End women's suffrage now!
2012-02-17 06:12:59 AM
1 votes:
blorpenster: SquiggelyGrounders: Steak_Cake_Sause: SquiggelyGrounders: Confabulat: SquiggelyGrounders: Confabulat: SquiggelyGrounders:

in that case, my point is that you are supporting the conservatives in a way. Women dress slutty and it gets your attention. Then women start that whole competition thing to see who can out slutt whom.

Are you implying that we shouldnt look at women to keep support from the GOP? Acceptable consequences if you ask me

Not at all. Conservatives are scared by sexuality. Its one thing to be yourself. But its quite another to wave it in someones face. And not to mention there are alot of people that shouldnt express their sexuality.

What the fark are you going on about? I'm not sure what it is that you are arguing here.

Does anyone else have a clue about this guy?


Excuse me. I speak derp.

What he's saying is that there is a subset of people out there who, on seeing a certain amount of naked female flesh, becomes alarmed enough to say "By golly, the gubmint needs to put a stop to this!" along with such things as "the vapors!" and "harlot!"

The GOP is pandering to these people, whether the shock level is ankle, knee, or further up, or just a certain total square footage accumulation over a period of time. (A nipple broadcast on prime time TV is worth several yard^2/years of ankle skin per tenth of a second, BTW.)

So, if you expose these people to more flesh in public, on television, on the internet, whatever, more and more individual thresholds are tripped, more "vapors" are expelled, and more votes go to the GOP. Thus, by not giving in to the GOP now, you only make them stronger by activating the prude potential in voters.

He then followed it up with the not very original observation that a lot of that square footage belongs to unattractive people. Because he's hip and not at all prudish and the only reason he wants women to cover their sinful flesh is because of fatties.

I apologize that the derp level remains high in my translation but, frankly, when they attempt to be crafty the density becomes insurmountable.
2012-02-17 04:07:34 AM
1 votes:
SquiggelyGrounders: Hows life going for you in the middle east?

Actually birth control here in Qatar is next to the bandaids on the shelf. You don't need a prescription. It's not even over-the-counter.
2012-02-17 03:57:34 AM
1 votes:
SquiggelyGrounders: Also, look at how most women under 30 dress themselves.

I do, as much as possible. What is your point?
2012-02-17 03:11:59 AM
1 votes:
mikesright.files.wordpress.com
2012-02-17 02:59:47 AM
1 votes:
I have the feeling the Republican Party is going to look a lot different in 2016 after Obama sweeps this election.
2012-02-17 02:32:29 AM
1 votes:
coco ebert: Oh please, you and I both know that the Republicans of the '50s would be considered RINO libtards by today's Republicans.

You don't need to go back to the '50s for that. Just in the last month I've heard GWB referred to as a liberal, a democrat, and a RINO.
2012-02-17 02:13:05 AM
1 votes:
"Some will see it as reinforcing the impression a lot of people have of Rick Santorum as the candidate straight out of the 1950's. I bet it gets played up that way," she said. "I think most of us know you can keep your knees together and still, um, do it."

More like the 1850's

themoderatevoice.com
2012-02-17 12:13:45 AM
1 votes:
I don't see what the problem is. Clearly Republican women are inferior, second class citizens who should stay in the kitchen because they are clearly unsuitable to make their own decisions about topics that have a direct impact on themselves. They're voting for their own insignificance. I mean ... to reuse a typical conservative argument, why try to save the panda when they deserve to be extinct?
2012-02-16 11:47:25 PM
1 votes:
How the fark does this keep happening?

Some Republican douchebag proposes a crazy idea. Not just a crazy idea, but one that is so crazy that no one's ever seriously proposed it before. You couldn't imagine there'd be a political audience that would be receptive to such a crazy idea.

But then, as if by magic, It becomes a legitimate subject for debate. Journalists treat it with their awful "one side says this, the other side says this" template. Next thing you know, leading Republicans are lining up behind the idea, the right-wing noise machine amplifies the message, and a third of Americans dutifully treat this as a Very Serious Issue and possibly even A Total Outrage. Then the whole goddamn thing blows over, and we sit waiting for the next one.

The War on Christmas was an early example, and has the bonus of being a perennial weed. The completely psychotic "let's not raise the debt ceiling!" was the pinnacle of this phenomenon. And now this farking thing. Birth control hasn't been controversial in DECADES.

Plus, there are actual issues to talk about. Really important ones. For instance, I hear some Stalinists want kids to eat healthy at school, if you can believe it!
2012-02-16 11:46:56 PM
1 votes:
what_now: yeah, not the point. The point is, A MONTH AGO, it was absurd to imagine a conversation about access to birth control, but we are HAVING THAT CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW!!!

i don't know if its so much a conversation as it is saying "hey, get out of my bedrooms you asshats!" while the republicans have their fingers in their ears going "LALALALALALALA" and stupid people with computers are going "FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:"
2012-02-16 11:42:36 PM
1 votes:
WhyteRaven74: what_now: They had a panel on woman's reproductive health WITHOUT. ANY. WOMEN.

If I was a Democratic senator I'd call a meeting about prostate health and only invite women to testify.


A meeting about circumcision.
2012-02-16 11:27:43 PM
1 votes:
what_now: Nadie_AZ: what_now: A month ago, Mitt Romney made it seem like a national conversation on birth control was absurd, because no one would ever deny a woman the right to contraception. He actually chastised the moderator for bringing up such a ludicrous topic.

One. Month. Ago.

Pfffft. The guy is changing his mind and stance to keep up with the hurricane he's caught up in. Ultimately no one will trust anything he says.

yeah, not the point. The point is, A MONTH AGO, it was absurd to imagine a conversation about access to birth control, but we are HAVING THAT CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW!!!


It's not really a conversation. It's more like being locked into a room with a Sovereign Citizen.
2012-02-16 11:19:31 PM
1 votes:
A month ago, Mitt Romney made it seem like a national conversation on birth control was absurd, because no one would ever deny a woman the right to contraception. He actually chastised the moderator for bringing up such a ludicrous topic.

One. Month. Ago.
2012-02-16 11:13:39 PM
1 votes:
Listen, guys, don't be distracted by this rhetoric. The real threat to America is Islam and Sharia law.
2012-02-16 11:01:31 PM
1 votes:
Oh please, you and I both know that the Republicans of the '50s would be considered RINO libtards by today's Republicans.
 
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