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(Talking Points Memo)   In one day, the GOP managed to set back the party's position on women back to the 1950s. Good luck getting out of this PR nightmare   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 397
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2012-02-17 07:49:29 AM
1950's? More like the 1450s!
 
2012-02-17 07:49:30 AM
SquiggelyGrounders: Confabulat: SquiggelyGrounders: Confabulat: SquiggelyGrounders: Also, look at how most women under 30 dress themselves.

I do, as much as possible. What is your point?

You dress like a slut as much as possible?

1) you just supported the GOP.

2) you must beat men off with both hands

No, I'm a man. My comment was responding to your suggestion that I look at them.

in that case, my point is that you are supporting the conservatives in a way. Women dress slutty and it gets your attention. Then women start that whole competition thing to see who can out slutt whom.


Found a picture of SquiggleyGrounders. Now we all know why he hates women so much. I would suspect it's because they don't want anything to do with him. Sluts indeed.

i.somethingawful.com

Maybe you could date a pancake.
 
2012-02-17 07:49:34 AM
InmanRoshi: I was relieved to hear the GOP cancelled the remainder of the debates.

nooooooo!

I was expecting to see a standing ovation and hoots/cheers from the audience upon the telling of a story of a woman who was gangraped and was forced to have the baby or a woman who died receiving a back alley abortion.

eh, you're probably right. they were going downhill fast.
 
2012-02-17 07:50:46 AM
img.photobucket.com

Lookin' good out there, fellas.
 
2012-02-17 07:51:52 AM
MorrisBird:
But, you're against it anyway, aren't you? As a woman, I'm feeling attacked by the Republican party. Is it wrong for me to seek the protection of the Constitution?


I feel your pain, but the problem goes far beyond vaginae and their accessories. These people want to be "Leader of the Free World". But the people of a free world can lead themselves, thank you very much. What these asshats want is an autocratic world, with them as the leaders. They don't stand for "freedom" for anybody.
 
2012-02-17 07:52:40 AM
InmanRoshi: I was relieved to hear the GOP cancelled the remainder of the debates.

Did they really? All of them? Linky, please!!
 
2012-02-17 07:52:46 AM
randomjsa: The hearing Thursday concerned one thing and one thing only: Did Obama overstep his constitutional authority with the things he did last week?

Why weren't they talking to constitutional lawyers then?
 
2012-02-17 07:53:49 AM
I swear to god, it feels like Obama just did this:

fc00.deviantart.net

But instead he said "Everyone should have access to birth control through their insurance."
 
2012-02-17 07:55:58 AM
Felgraf: I swear to god, it feels like Obama just did this:

[fc00.deviantart.net image 640x1079]

But instead he said "Everyone should have access to birth control through their insurance."


And that's something Romney, Huckabee, and most other governors agreed with and pushed for while in office.
 
2012-02-17 07:56:50 AM
Felgraf: I swear to god, it feels like Obama just did this:

[fc00.deviantart.net image 640x1079]

But instead he said "Everyone should have access to birth control through their insurance."


You know, it's not hard to see this. He hasn't said a damn thing and has very happily let the GOP eat themselves alive, with the Conservative media having a farking conniption (Hannity's "Women's Health Panel" of old men and male Priests), the stupid hearing with old men, and the Primary idiots, with Frothy making a foole of himself.

I think Obama is the ur-Troll.
 
2012-02-17 07:57:43 AM
Pocket Ninja: The Santorum campaign has already defused the contraception issue. Move on, people.

Contraception is not the issue. While we all know that the need for contraception merely represents the failure of morality and proper social upbringing, the real societal problems go far beyond the specter of loose women and a "boys will be boys" attitude. Contraception leads to a false sense of security, a willingness to embrace the taboo and dance with the devil in the pale moonlight. It leads to a foolish willingness to engage in free-wheeling sex, but what sex naturally does is lead to pregnancy. Pregnancy , in turn, leads to responsibility, and when you add women unwilling to accept that responsibility -- an unwillingness already demonstrated amply by her desire for contraception -- it leads to rape. And rape leads to even bigger problems. Consider Virginia, where the State legislature's recent willingness to stand up to the travesty that is abortion by requiring transvaginal ultrasounds has led to ridiculous accusations of state sponsored rape. Suddenly, a simple request that these women view the life growing in their uterus somehow represents a secondary "rape," merely because the medical procedure requires the insertion of a scientific instrument into her vagina. Of course, the reality is that the use of this device requires only a single insertion and slight manipulation of the device, and no rape worth mentioning involves only a single insertion. The sex act itself involves numerous insertions in order for the male to achieve ejaculation, and any reasonable definition of "rape," which involves the sex act being perpetrated upon a woman who believes at the moment that she is unwilling to have sex, must therefore require repeated, numerous insertions. Furthermore, since the woman receiving this procedure have already been allegedly "raped," there is no further trauma being inflicted upon her because her virginity has already been irreparably damaged. Were this procedure t ...


I came.

/there's a reason your posts have a lovely background color
 
2012-02-17 07:57:44 AM
hitchking: How the fark does this keep happening?

Some Republican douchebag proposes a crazy idea. Not just a crazy idea, but one that is so crazy that no one's ever seriously proposed it before. You couldn't imagine there'd be a political audience that would be receptive to such a crazy idea.

But then, as if by magic, It becomes a legitimate subject for debate. Journalists treat it with their awful "one side says this, the other side says this" template. Next thing you know, leading Republicans are lining up behind the idea, the right-wing noise machine amplifies the message, and a third of Americans dutifully treat this as a Very Serious Issue and possibly even A Total Outrage. Then the whole goddamn thing blows over, and we sit waiting for the next one.

The War on Christmas was an early example, and has the bonus of being a perennial weed. The completely psychotic "let's not raise the debt ceiling!" was the pinnacle of this phenomenon. And now this farking thing. Birth control hasn't been controversial in DECADES.

Plus, there are actual issues to talk about. Really important ones. For instance, I hear some Stalinists want kids to eat healthy at school, if you can believe it!


The 2010 Congress, despite campaigning on creating jobs and improving the economy, spent most of their time attacking planned parenthood and making abortions more difficult to obtain. They're attacking women's health at every level on the state and local levels. They're overtaking board of director positions on non-profit charities and pushing their agenda. They're up there speaking to their base at the national conventions bragging openly about how much money they've slashed for women's health as governors, or how much more they would slash (or completely defund it) if they were President. They're electing Rick Santorum in 4 out of 9 primary contests, when his entire political identity is built around putting government in your bedroom and legislating his sexual morality.

We can officially stop saying that there's just a handful of weirdos and wackos playing as pied pipers while the rest of the party follows along. There isn't some weird confluence of events that got us here. There are no moderates on this issue in the GOP. The entire GOP official party platform, from top to bottom, is to declare war on women's reproductive rights, and has been for quite some time.
 
2012-02-17 07:58:55 AM
randomjsa: And TPM gets in line with the rest of the liberal media sources to tell absolute bald faced lies.

The hearing Thursday had nothing to do with contraception. TPM knows it, liberals know it, Obama knows it, and the rest of the media knows it, but that isn't stopping them from pretending otherwise in this continued effort to mislead people who aren't paying attention. Now we know why that stupid question about 'whether or not states should have the right to ban contraception' question kept getting asked in spite of the fact that the person it was being asked to kept saying 'Why are you even asking this? Nobody is going to do that. Nobody is talking about doing that.'

Was that part of a setup in what was going to become the new "If you don't vote for Kerry, Bush will draft you!" issue? A fake, non-issue, that isn't going to happen... A fake, non-issue that counts on peoples ignorance to scare them in to voting a certain way.The hearing Thursday concerned one thing and one thing only: Did Obama overstep his constitutional authority with the things he did last week? That's what it was about. Nothing else. I know you'd like to keep pretending it had something to do with contraception, but it didn't.

But I can see why liberals need to make this about a fake issue that they have to lie about because they certainly can't make this election about Obama if they want to have a chance in hell of winning it.


You're turbo-stupid.
 
2012-02-17 07:59:31 AM
i just love how all the republican candidates have their own billionaire puppet-masters (well, except romney, who's his own). thanks, citizens united!
 
2012-02-17 08:00:20 AM
oldweevil: Hoisted by their own retards, if you will.

You may consider this line well and truly stolen. Thank you, and enjoy your new subtle shade of green.
 
2012-02-17 08:01:08 AM
randomjsa: And TPM gets in line with the rest of the liberal media sources to tell absolute bald faced lies.

The hearing Thursday had nothing to do with contraception.


Just like the Civil War had absolutely nothing to do with slavery ... it was all about "state's rights".
 
2012-02-17 08:03:08 AM
Gordon Bennett: So, he wouldn't be a RINO, simply because he would be considered to be too dangerously liberal by the liberal wing of today's Democratic party.

Heh, good point. He was more like the Dennis Kucinich of the '50s I guess.
 
2012-02-17 08:03:25 AM
FlashHarry: i just love how all the republican candidates have their own billionaire puppet-masters (well, except romney, who's his own). thanks, citizens united!

Not to derail, but I absolutely love how many Republicans are complaining about Citizens United after defending it so vehemently. Gee, never thought it would have the impact it did, did it, assholes?

I am amazed that everytime derpcon 10 is reached, the idiots in an (R) at the end of their name somehow turn it up more. Even better is watching morons twist and contort themselves to defend the latest stupid shiat...see the Fark shills.
 
2012-02-17 08:04:01 AM
ImpendingCynic: coco ebert: Oh please, you and I both know that the Republicans of the '50s would be considered RINO libtards by today's Republicans.

You don't even have to go back that far. I'm pretty sure if Nixon were to run today, he'd be a moderate Democrat.


Well, they don't call Nixon our last liberal president for nothing.
 
2012-02-17 08:06:34 AM
just wait till young girls start showing up at the ER because they inserted to many aspirins
 
2012-02-17 08:07:08 AM
randomjsa: The hearing Thursday had nothing to do with contraception.

Just like Roe v. Wade had nothing to do with abortion.


Chairman Issa Hearing Preview Statement (new window)
Americans of all faiths have a right to practice their religion free from the fear of persecution or harassment from their government. Our nation's founders believed this and enshrined religious freedom into the First Amendment to the Constitution.

While some Americans may not feel that government mandates forcing them to pay for contraception are an infringement on their religious beliefs, others consider it to be an assault against their freedom of conscience. A government policy that encroaches on the conscientious objections of religious groups concerns all Americans who value the protections of the First Amendment. Today, the committee will hear testimony from leaders of different faiths. They are concerned that government, under this Administration, is encroaching on their First Amendment rights.

The Administration's actions have forced us to confront a more fundamental question about the proper role of government in our lives.

This hearing is about basic question of religious freedom, and whether or not protection will be afforded to religious institutions who wish to follow their conscience in refusing to pay for products they find morally objectionable. I look forward to hearing from today's witnesses.
 
2012-02-17 08:08:12 AM
aug3: just wait till young girls start showing up at the ER because they inserted to many aspirins

They used to get pregnant, but then they took an aspirin to the knee.
 
2012-02-17 08:08:39 AM
The Obama Administration baited the hook and, god damn, if the GOP and assorted social conservatives didn't swallow the bait hook, line and sinker... I don't think this could have worked out any better for the Obama Administration.

These regressive assholes are falling all over themselves to say something ridiculously offensive to women and moderates every chance they can get.

It would be quite hilarious if it wasn't so pathetically predictable.
 
2012-02-17 08:09:41 AM
aug3: just wait till young girls start showing up at the ER because they inserted to many aspirins

Not sure activated charcoal will work in the jay jay
 
2012-02-17 08:11:02 AM
keylock71: The Obama Administration baited the hook and, god damn, if the GOP and assorted social conservatives didn't swallow the bait hook, line and sinker... I don't think this could have worked out any better for the Obama Administration.

These regressive assholes are falling all over themselves to say something ridiculously offensive to women and moderates every chance they can get.

It would be quite hilarious if it wasn't so pathetically predictable.


they absolutely cannot help themselves. it's a lesson in restraint and self-regulation. it would be like if the democratic party could be consistently drawn into arguments about affirmative action or gun control, which the party has done a generally good job of avoiding for the last ten years or so.
 
2012-02-17 08:16:21 AM
trotsky: Not to derail, but I absolutely love how many Republicans are complaining about Citizens United after defending it so vehemently. Gee, never thought it would have the impact it did, did it, assholes?

even the republican lawyer who argued FOR it and won was lamenting the rise of the super pacs. seriously. i used to think these people were blackheartedly evil. now i just think they're farking morons.
 
2012-02-17 08:20:48 AM
The 1950's is only the first stop. Then it's back to the 1910's, when those pesky whores couldn't vote. Then on to the 1850's, when those uppity "poor people" knew their place. And there was no income tax! And the US Army could ride down and mass murder "enemy peoples" at will!

Then it's probably back to the sixteenth century and the Inquisition.

Please keep this in mind, all of you who are not white males.
 
2012-02-17 08:22:54 AM
You can only laugh at Republicans now. You can't treat them as equals. They aren't. Women are my equals and often my betters. Republicans are just so sad to witness, really.
 
2012-02-17 08:28:53 AM
"I demand that we stop the space program! It keeps leading us to believe that the Earth is not flat! This is a violation of my religious freedom! Only whores believe the Earth is round! Whores! Wicked, dirty, filthy whores! Dancing around in their short skirts! Whores! Flat Earth! Don't you f***in' look at me! Don't you f***in' look at me! It's Daddy's turn to play-y-y-y-y!"
 
2012-02-17 08:30:24 AM
MaudlinMutantMollusk: Been using this a lot lately

I'm stealing that. K, thanks.
 
2012-02-17 08:31:36 AM
Confabulat: You can only laugh at Republicans now. You can't treat them as equals.

tell that to the media.
 
2012-02-17 08:41:34 AM
The Cat Who Walks By Herself: People still refer to the GOP "establishment," but what are they doing? No one seems to be at the reins, and so this kind of windmill-flailing nonsense seems to be entirety of the party's message now.

Bush Corp. and the Military-industrial complex are having auditions for who plays Dole-McCain this time around.
After the clown car crashes and burns this year, for 2016 they'll appoint a savior, possibly Jeb, possibly someone else to play the role of Dubya who'll be the "TRUE CONSERVATIVE" and the right will all get in line.
This also helps them ditch Romney, Gingrich, etc, etc as losers, and gets them out of the way.
They may even go so far as having an old line conservative to play the handler part as VP, same as Cheney did.
Expect some year 2000 style election shenanigans as well, be prepared, it's coming.
It's only got to be close for them to steal the election, be ready for it.
They'd have done it this year, but they no doubt know it won't be close enough for them to steal this election with a sitting popular Democratic president.
 
2012-02-17 08:42:51 AM
FlashHarry: Confabulat: You can only laugh at Republicans now. You can't treat them as equals.

tell that to the media.


And rightly so. You can really only laugh at the media too. If they're not complicit in pushing a particular agenda (e.g. Fox and its staunch anti-reality bias), they're trying so very hard to appear balanced by giving equal time to the merely dull-witted and the utterly indefensible.
 
2012-02-17 08:48:24 AM
1950s? Please, only if we are lucky. At this rate, the GOP is trying to turn it back to the 1450s.
 
2012-02-17 08:51:47 AM
Crabs_Can_Polevault: FlashHarry: Confabulat: You can only laugh at Republicans now. You can't treat them as equals.

tell that to the media.

And rightly so. You can really only laugh at the media too. If they're not complicit in pushing a particular agenda (e.g. Fox and its staunch anti-reality bias), they're trying so very hard to appear balanced by giving equal time to the merely dull-witted and the utterly indefensible.


I actually just had an epiphany this morning. What is called "fairness" is, at best, merely "equal time." Even if you watch the news on PBS, they give "equal time" to "both sides," which means Republican and Democrat. Equal merit never enters into the discussion. Just give "both sides" (as if this means "all sides") mere equal time to repeat their talking points.

The crux of the problem is "equal time" masquerading as "fairness."

/Yeah I know, it's a pretty obvious "epiphany"
 
2012-02-17 08:55:29 AM
We are fighting against theocratic lunatics over here so we don't have to fight them over there.
 
2012-02-17 08:55:35 AM
what_now: Nadie_AZ: what_now: A month ago, Mitt Romney made it seem like a national conversation on birth control was absurd, because no one would ever deny a woman the right to contraception. He actually chastised the moderator for bringing up such a ludicrous topic.

One. Month. Ago.

Pfffft. The guy is changing his mind and stance to keep up with the hurricane he's caught up in. Ultimately no one will trust anything he says.

yeah, not the point. The point is, A MONTH AGO, it was absurd to imagine a conversation about access to birth control, but we are HAVING THAT CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW!!!


Nothing shocks me anymore when it comes to the modern day GOP. Nothing. One month from today, I fully expect that their main outrage is that they firmly believe that Jesus has come back to Earth but the Obama administration has him locked up in Gitmo.
 
2012-02-17 08:55:35 AM
When the Susan G. Komen / Planned Parenthood story broke a few weeks ago, I'll admit I was surprised to find out how much support there is in America for easy access to birth control. I expected that support from the Left; seeing it from the Middle and even parts of the Right was a very pleasant surprise.

Apparently Republicans don't learn lessons from things that happened 2 weeks ago.
 
2012-02-17 08:58:13 AM
Kibbler: Crabs_Can_Polevault: FlashHarry: Confabulat: You can only laugh at Republicans now. You can't treat them as equals.

tell that to the media.

And rightly so. You can really only laugh at the media too. If they're not complicit in pushing a particular agenda (e.g. Fox and its staunch anti-reality bias), they're trying so very hard to appear balanced by giving equal time to the merely dull-witted and the utterly indefensible.

I actually just had an epiphany this morning. What is called "fairness" is, at best, merely "equal time." Even if you watch the news on PBS, they give "equal time" to "both sides," which means Republican and Democrat. Equal merit never enters into the discussion. Just give "both sides" (as if this means "all sides") mere equal time to repeat their talking points.

The crux of the problem is "equal time" masquerading as "fairness."

/Yeah I know, it's a pretty obvious "epiphany"


That's exactly what the Dems meant with the fairness act. You missed that back then too?
 
2012-02-17 08:58:40 AM
The Why Not Guy: When the Susan G. Komen / Planned Parenthood story broke a few weeks ago, I'll admit I was surprised to find out how much support there is in America for easy access to birth control. I expected that support from the Left; seeing it from the Middle and even parts of the Right was a very pleasant surprise.

Apparently Republicans don't learn lessons from things that happened 2 weeks ago.


You are talking about a group whose motto is 'Stay the course,' even if that course involves a cliff leading into a canyon full of knives that are on fire and explode on contact.
 
2012-02-17 08:59:59 AM
NeverDrunk23: 1950s? Please, only if we are lucky. At this rate, the GOP is trying to turn it back to the 1450s.

Good point, and this allows me to bring up something else. If you want liberal things done, elect a liberal Congress.
People have been upset with Obama for veering right, however, with the crew that got elected in 2010, it's not like he had a whole lot of choice. If we don't sweep the GOP out of Congress, don't expect much change.
The GOP are in obstruction mode and playing for time till the numbers favor them.
Whatever you do, go out and vote, 2010 should show famously what happens when you don't.
A lame choice is better than a bad one, don't let orange crying boy and the gang pull another bunch of crap.
 
2012-02-17 09:02:01 AM
The Why Not Guy: When the Susan G. Komen / Planned Parenthood story broke a few weeks ago, I'll admit I was surprised to find out how much support there is in America for easy access to birth control. I expected that support from the Left; seeing it from the Middle and even parts of the Right was a very pleasant surprise.

Apparently Republicans don't learn lessons from things that happened 2 weeks ago.


It's that they learn different lessons than the rational world.

The Republicans looked at the PP/SGK story and said to themselves "Look at how the dirty whores have convinced America that their slutty ways are acceptable! We must address this!"
 
2012-02-17 09:04:21 AM
That bayer aspirin line, appropriate or not, is hilarious.
 
2012-02-17 09:05:23 AM
thamike: o5iiawah: And so goes the liberal song...

If government cant do it for us, it cannot be done at all.

That doesn't make any sense even out of context.


Seriously, when they're too stupid to troll, that's pretty goddamn sad.
 
2012-02-17 09:05:33 AM
Nadie_AZ: What they want is a return to 1900- before women had the right to vote, the American empire was young and upstart

US didn't start doing "Empire" stuff till after WWII
 
2012-02-17 09:06:41 AM
wedun: Nadie_AZ: What they want is a return to 1900- before women had the right to vote, the American empire was young and upstart

US didn't start doing "Empire" stuff till after WWII


The Philippines would like a word.
 
2012-02-17 09:08:06 AM
wedun: Nadie_AZ: What they want is a return to 1900- before women had the right to vote, the American empire was young and upstart

US didn't start doing "Empire" stuff till after WWII


Well, it was the Spanish-American war that made us one of the World Powers, and gave us captured territories for the first time, I think. Like the Philippines.
 
2012-02-17 09:08:21 AM
Philip Francis Queeg: wedun: Nadie_AZ: What they want is a return to 1900- before women had the right to vote, the American empire was young and upstart

US didn't start doing "Empire" stuff till after WWII

The Philippines would like a word.


Well it had better damnwell be in English as the Founding Fathers intended.
 
2012-02-17 09:08:44 AM
randomjsa: The hearing Thursday had nothing to do with contraception

wrong.

keep throwing that turd it's bound to stick eventually.

/I admit I enjoy watching the religious right outing themselves for the backward jackasses they truly are.
 
2012-02-17 09:13:03 AM
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