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(Talking Points Memo)   In one day, the GOP managed to set back the party's position on women back to the 1950s. Good luck getting out of this PR nightmare   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 397
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2012-02-17 02:10:18 AM  
Watching the GOP disintegrate since the debt ceiling "crisis" last summer has been jaw-dropping.

And I wonder how much of this has been the result of active manipulation by Obama? With the Birth Control issue in particular, he seems to have waited until the GOP bit down hard on the shiny object before pulling the rug out.

That topics like this are dominating the news cycles is political farking genius on the part of the Dems.
 
2012-02-17 02:13:05 AM  
"Some will see it as reinforcing the impression a lot of people have of Rick Santorum as the candidate straight out of the 1950's. I bet it gets played up that way," she said. "I think most of us know you can keep your knees together and still, um, do it."

More like the 1850's

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2012-02-17 02:13:57 AM  
I have to seriously ask this.

Republicans is this really what you want?

Are you really that sexist and bigoted?

Does the black man being president scare you that much?

Are you THAT backwards and stupid?

Or are you just trolling us this election with the band of morons running?

Please tell me you are trolling and have basically given up on this election, its farking hard to imagine that any of this is what you Republicans really want.
 
2012-02-17 02:14:37 AM  

Bladel: Watching the GOP disintegrate since the debt ceiling "crisis" last summer has been jaw-dropping.

And I wonder how much of this has been the result of active manipulation by Obama? With the Birth Control issue in particular, he seems to have waited until the GOP bit down hard on the shiny object before pulling the rug out.

That topics like this are dominating the news cycles is political farking genius on the part of the Dems.


I don't think this is any part Democrats plan. It's just the GOP hanging themselves with their own rope. They just attack anything Obama does without even bothering to think what the outcome will be.
 
2012-02-17 02:16:05 AM  

Pocket Ninja: The Santorum campaign has already defused the contraception issue. Move on, people.

Contraception is not the issue. While we all know that the need for contraception merely represents the failure of morality and proper social upbringing, the real societal problems go far beyond the specter of loose women and a "boys will be boys" attitude. Contraception leads to a false sense of security, a willingness to embrace the taboo and dance with the devil in the pale moonlight. It leads to a foolish willingness to engage in free-wheeling sex, but what sex naturally does is lead to pregnancy. Pregnancy , in turn, leads to responsibility, and when you add women unwilling to accept that responsibility -- an unwillingness already demonstrated amply by her desire for contraception -- it leads to rape. And rape leads to even bigger problems. Consider Virginia, where the State legislature's recent willingness to stand up to the travesty that is abortion by requiring transvaginal ultrasounds has led to ridiculous accusations of state sponsored rape. Suddenly, a simple request that these women view the life growing in their uterus somehow represents a secondary "rape," merely because the medical procedure requires the insertion of a scientific instrument into her vagina. Of course, the reality is that the use of this device requires only a single insertion and slight manipulation of the device, and no rape worth mentioning involves only a single insertion. The sex act itself involves numerous insertions in order for the male to achieve ejaculation, and any reasonable definition of "rape," which involves the sex act being perpetrated upon a woman who believes at the moment that she is unwilling to have sex, must therefore require repeated, numerous insertions. Furthermore, since the woman receiving this procedure have already been allegedly "raped," there is no further trauma being inflicted upon her because her virginity has already been irreparably damaged. Were this procedure t ...


Dave "Megadeth" Mustaine's candidate, ladies and gentlemen!

/always was a Metallica fan myself
//until Hetfield comes out for Newt or somesuch
 
2012-02-17 02:16:51 AM  
I wonder how many of these brave men fighting for "religious freedom" are in favor of a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.
 
2012-02-17 02:16:54 AM  
What is the difference between an American conservative and an Islamofascist?
Nuthin'

What is the difference between Terri Schiavo and an American conservative?
Nuthin'

What was Timothy McVeigh?
An American conservative.

What are American conservatives good for?
Nuthin'

Glad I could clear that all up.
 
2012-02-17 02:17:08 AM  

Liberal_With_a_Gun: Dave "Megadeth" Mustaine's candidate, ladies and gentlemen!

/always was a Metallica fan myself
//until Hetfield comes out for Newt or somesuch


Guh. The sad thing is, Megadeth is basically my favorite band. I guess there was a reason I never got around to buying Endgame.
 
2012-02-17 02:18:12 AM  
1. At no point in time does either party act differently than the other and/or have the public in mind.
2. No PR disaster is big enough to get out of because the voters - including me - are farking morons.
 
2012-02-17 02:20:47 AM  
I wonder how many conservatives would be upset f there was a panel on enforced male castrations that was empaneled by only women?

Or whether Viagra is a medical necessity.

I am ABSOLUTELY sure they would have no problem with that.
 
2012-02-17 02:21:10 AM  
Geez, I didn't even hear about the 'short skirts at CPAC' thing before.

But yeah, this isn't new, it's just a bit more open than before.
 
2012-02-17 02:24:21 AM  

coco ebert: Oh please, you and I both know that the Republicans of the '50s would be considered RINO libtards by today's Republicans.


I dunno. There has been a tug-of-war between fiscal conservatives and social conservatives in the Republican Party since the party's formation. Just look at families such as the Rockefellers who were incredibly devout Christians. New England has produced its own share of zealots. You can't blame it all on the conservative Dixiecrats that have crossed party lines.

Maybe there was a lull during the 1950s and 60s, but folks like Goldwater knew that the fundies were right around the corner and could retake the party any time.
 
2012-02-17 02:30:31 AM  
Is this what it looks like when a political party collapses?
 
2012-02-17 02:32:29 AM  

coco ebert: Oh please, you and I both know that the Republicans of the '50s would be considered RINO libtards by today's Republicans.


You don't need to go back to the '50s for that. Just in the last month I've heard GWB referred to as a liberal, a democrat, and a RINO.
 
2012-02-17 02:35:05 AM  

coco ebert: Oh please, you and I both know that the Republicans of the '50s would be considered RINO libtards by today's Republicans.


Don't be ridiculous. Look at the actual Republicans from the actual 1950s, at Eisenhower's presidency.

The highest income tax bracket paid 92%
Expanded Social Security; added ten million beneficiaries
Formed the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
Ended racial segregation in the military
Enforced the end of racial segregation in schools
Built the federal highway system

Eisenhower himself proposed the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960.

He also gave a speech following Stalin's death including the following:

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron



He also famously warned about the danger posed by the militarry-industrial complex, in those words, in a letter written shortly before the end of his second term.


So, he wouldn't be a RINO, simply because he would be considered to be too dangerously liberal by the liberal wing of today's Democratic party.
 
2012-02-17 02:35:46 AM  
1950s? Being a little generous aren't we, subby? I think if the Republicans joined the 20th century at this juncture, it'd be a breakthrough.
 
2012-02-17 02:41:02 AM  
Ever since I started burning through the West Wing, comments in the politics tabs get read in the voices of various characters. Josh, Leo, Toby, etc...

It's kinda neat actually.
 
2012-02-17 02:44:10 AM  

Liberal_With_a_Gun: Dave "Megadeth" Mustaine's candidate, ladies and gentlemen!

/always was a Metallica fan myself
//until Hetfield comes out for Newt or somesuch


Where did you get that?
 
2012-02-17 02:45:00 AM  

Warlordtrooper: Don't forget that in Virginia the state GOP just passed a law that mandates a woman be subjected to rape before an abortion. And yes, based on the definition of rape, that is not an exaggeration either.


Yea, but it's not rape-rape.
 
2012-02-17 02:45:31 AM  

Pocket Ninja: The Santorum campaign has already defused the contraception issue. Move on, people.

Contraception is not the issue. While we all know that the need for contraception merely represents the failure of morality and proper social upbringing, the real societal problems go far beyond the specter of loose women and a "boys will be boys" attitude. Contraception leads to a false sense of security, a willingness to embrace the taboo and dance with the devil in the pale moonlight. It leads to a foolish willingness to engage in free-wheeling sex, but what sex naturally does is lead to pregnancy. Pregnancy , in turn, leads to responsibility, and when you add women unwilling to accept that responsibility -- an unwillingness already demonstrated amply by her desire for contraception -- it leads to rape. And rape leads to even bigger problems. Consider Virginia, where the State legislature's recent willingness to stand up to the travesty that is abortion by requiring transvaginal ultrasounds has led to ridiculous accusations of state sponsored rape. Suddenly, a simple request that these women view the life growing in their uterus somehow represents a secondary "rape," merely because the medical procedure requires the insertion of a scientific instrument into her vagina. Of course, the reality is that the use of this device requires only a single insertion and slight manipulation of the device, and no rape worth mentioning involves only a single insertion. The sex act itself involves numerous insertions in order for the male to achieve ejaculation, and any reasonable definition of "rape," which involves the sex act being perpetrated upon a woman who believes at the moment that she is unwilling to have sex, must therefore require repeated, numerous insertions. Furthermore, since the woman receiving this procedure have already been allegedly "raped," there is no further trauma being inflicted upon her because her virginity has already been irreparably damaged. Were this procedure t ...


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You. You're good, you. Yes you are.
 
2012-02-17 02:47:02 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Furthermore, since the woman receiving this procedure have already been allegedly "raped," there is no further trauma being inflicted upon her because her virginity has already been irreparably damaged. Were this procedure to be performed upon an unwilling female who is also a virgin, there might be cause for concern regarding unforseen trauma due to the possibility, however remote, of her Hymen seal being ruptured and that rupturing rendering her, in certain situations, less attractive as a marriage candidate.


I'm not a woman, but I doubt that the objectionable part of rape isn't the bit where you lose your virginity. Could be wrong though.
 
2012-02-17 02:49:27 AM  
It's interesting to realize that American conservatives are pro-rape. Because obviously women love having probes stuffed up their vagina for no medical reason!
 
2012-02-17 02:49:31 AM  
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2012-02-17 02:50:40 AM  

Pocket Ninja: The Santorum campaign has already defused the contraception issue. Move on, people.

Contraception is not the issue. While we all know that the need for contraception merely represents the failure of morality and proper social upbringing, the real societal problems go far beyond the specter of loose women and a "boys will be boys" attitude. Contraception leads to a false sense of security, a willingness to embrace the taboo and dance with the devil in the pale moonlight. It leads to a foolish willingness to engage in free-wheeling sex, but what sex naturally does is lead to pregnancy. Pregnancy , in turn, leads to responsibility, and when you add women unwilling to accept that responsibility -- an unwillingness already demonstrated amply by her desire for contraception -- it leads to rape. And rape leads to even bigger problems. Consider Virginia, where the State legislature's recent willingness to stand up to the travesty that is abortion by requiring transvaginal ultrasounds has led to ridiculous accusations of state sponsored rape. Suddenly, a simple request that these women view the life growing in their uterus somehow represents a secondary "rape," merely because the medical procedure requires the insertion of a scientific instrument into her vagina. Of course, the reality is that the use of this device requires only a single insertion and slight manipulation of the device, and no rape worth mentioning involves only a single insertion. The sex act itself involves numerous insertions in order for the male to achieve ejaculation, and any reasonable definition of "rape," which involves the sex act being perpetrated upon a woman who believes at the moment that she is unwilling to have sex, must therefore require repeated, numerous insertions. Furthermore, since the woman receiving this procedure have already been allegedly "raped," there is no further trauma being inflicted upon her because her virginity has already been irreparably damaged. Were this procedure to be performed upon an unwilling female who is also a virgin, there might be cause for concern regarding unforseen trauma due to the possibility, however remote, of her Hymen seal being ruptured and that rupturing rendering her, in certain situations, less attractive as a marriage candidate. However, any woman who was actually "raped," as she claims, will experience no such trauma as the seal will already have been ruptured and her chastity, regardless of the merits of her "rape" claim, rendered a moot point.


Please farking tell me this a pocket ninja satire post and not real.

And then tell me why, at this point, I could believe it was real.

Sighs.
 
2012-02-17 02:53:28 AM  
home.insightbb.com
 
2012-02-17 02:53:37 AM  
Wait, is Santorum really backed by a guy whose name sounds like Foster Freeze?
All the Republican stupidity in that article just made the fact that Santorum's primary back is named after an ice cream shop stand out even more.
 
2012-02-17 02:55:57 AM  
Smackledorfer:

It's what he does, we love him anyway.
 
2012-02-17 02:56:20 AM  

coco ebert: Oh please, you and I both know that the Republicans of the '50s would be considered RINO libtards by today's Republicans.


You don't even have to go back that far. I'm pretty sure if Nixon were to run today, he'd be a moderate Democrat.
 
2012-02-17 02:57:02 AM  

12th_nightmare: Wait, is Santorum really backed by a guy whose name sounds like Foster Freeze?
All the Republican stupidity in that article just made the fact that Santorum's primary back is named after an ice cream shop stand out even more.


And he's a billionaire.
 
2012-02-17 02:59:47 AM  
I have the feeling the Republican Party is going to look a lot different in 2016 after Obama sweeps this election.
 
2012-02-17 03:00:26 AM  

12th_nightmare: Wait, is Santorum really backed by a guy whose name sounds like Foster Freeze?
All the Republican stupidity in that article just made the fact that Santorum's primary back is named after an ice cream shop stand out even more.


Nlow offering the Big Boss Santorum combo. If it doesnt get all over the place...
 
2012-02-17 03:03:09 AM  
So, PocketNinja, exactly how does one engage in all the free-wheeling sex your speak of?

/inquiring minds want to know.
 
2012-02-17 03:03:22 AM  
Sorry I cant go to sleep. So heres another stupid post:

If the GOP keeps moving right, how long until they come full circle?
 
2012-02-17 03:04:37 AM  

Smackledorfer: Pocket Ninja: The Santorum campaign has already defused the contraception issue. Move on, people.

Please farking tell me this a pocket ninja satire post and not real.

And then tell me why, at this point, I could believe it was real.

Sighs.


Pocket Ninja is one of Fark's most treasured satirists. The part where you have trouble discerning whether or not he's serious is a manifestation of Poe's Law. (new window)
 
2012-02-17 03:07:08 AM  

Bladel: That topics like this are dominating the news cycles is political farking genius on the part of the Dems.


This isn't so much genius as the logical conclusion of a primary election cycle that has been reduced to 'the person who gets the biggest remaining chunk of what used to be their car over the finish line gets the nomination'. Obama's certainly done his part to play the long game and help the GOP along their path of being driven to the brink of insanity, but a lot of it is the GOP's own doing, the end of a process started before Obama even entered politics.

For years, the GOP played their base like a fiddle. 'Elect us and we'll (insert wedge issue X, for instance, 'overturn Roe V. Wade'). They'd get elected. They'd ignore the wedge issue... until next election when they'd run on it again. They'd get voted in again, they'd ignore it again. And again. And again. What we're seeing here is the base deciding 'you've run out of chances and we can't wait around forever; we're taking over and enacting the wedge issues ourselves while we're still alive to see it done'. And with a black guy running for President- something highly disagreeable to them as well- it all kind of came to a head. Then that CNBC guy stirred shiat up and gave birth to the Tea Party, which just plain hit the spot as far as the base was concerned. Fox News provides airtime, lobbyists provide logistics, boom. GOP establishment loves it... until they realize they're targets too because these are people that are actually going to enact those wedge issues.

And now every single Republican crazy has the perfect opportunity to come out of the woodwork and spout every trainwrecky piece of hatred that's been instilled in them for years. And the establishment is frantically trying to put everything back in Pandora's Box, but it's too late. They're here. Every hateful piece of rhetoric that the Republicans have sent out into the ether for decades has all come back to bite them at once.

And all Obama has to do is watch.
 
2012-02-17 03:07:46 AM  

Warlordtrooper: Don't forget that in Virginia the state GOP just passed a law that mandates a woman be subjected to rape before an abortion. And yes, based on the definition of rape, that is not an exaggeration either.


I can't imagine how pissed off women, and especially women in VA, must be about that.
 
2012-02-17 03:08:01 AM  

GleeUnit: Smackledorfer: Pocket Ninja: The Santorum campaign has already defused the contraception issue. Move on, people.

Please farking tell me this a pocket ninja satire post and not real.

And then tell me why, at this point, I could believe it was real.

Sighs.

Pocket Ninja is one of Fark's most treasured satirists. The part where you have trouble discerning whether or not he's serious is a manifestation of Poe's Law. (new window)


So, he's not getting any either?
 
2012-02-17 03:09:34 AM  
Ya gotta love the Reps, they've done their best to alienate the blacks, (supposedly about 10% of the population), the gays, (supposedly about 10%), and now they've decided to declare war on the women? Criminy, women are 50% of the population.

Unless a lot of women are a lot less sensitive to this kind of crap than I thought, this could be the end for these morons.

RIP
 
2012-02-17 03:11:59 AM  
mikesright.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-02-17 03:13:11 AM  

Degenz: GleeUnit: Smackledorfer: Pocket Ninja: The Santorum campaign has already defused the contraception issue. Move on, people.

Please farking tell me this a pocket ninja satire post and not real.

And then tell me why, at this point, I could believe it was real.

Sighs.

Pocket Ninja is one of Fark's most treasured satirists. The part where you have trouble discerning whether or not he's serious is a manifestation of Poe's Law. (new window)

So, he's not getting any either?


Doubtful.
 
2012-02-17 03:21:26 AM  

DVOM: Ya gotta love the Reps, they've done their best to alienate the blacks, (supposedly about 10% of the population), the gays, (supposedly about 10%), and now they've decided to declare war on the women? Criminy, women are 50% of the population.

Unless a lot of women are a lot less sensitive to this kind of crap than I thought, this could be the end for these morons.

RIP


Well you have the women who think Chris Brown is an OK guy: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/horrible-reactions-to-chris-brown-at-th e-grammys
And the women who think rape is OK: http://www.newshounds.us/liz_trotta_military_women_should_expect_to_be _raped_02142012
And women who think contraceptives are evil (such as my mother)

So it's not quite 50%
 
2012-02-17 03:22:18 AM  

DVOM: Ya gotta love the Reps, they've done their best to alienate the blacks, (supposedly about 10% of the population), the gays, (supposedly about 10%), and now they've decided to declare war on the women? Criminy, women are 50% of the population.

Unless a lot of women are a lot less sensitive to this kind of crap than I thought, this could be the end for these morons.

RIP


What saddens me is that there's still women dumb enough to vote GOP because that's what they've always been told to do or they'll let their own hatred and prejudices overshadow being discriminated against. I hope this will deter a number of them, but I still suspect they'll be a number of brainwashed ones who will still toe the party line. Of course I don't believe there's enough people that ignorant to actually make a difference in terms of the outcome of the election so it really doesn't matter.

I for one am happy that this is all coming out publicly. People need to know what their politicians truly stand for. It's much better than them lying and pretending they don't feel that way. Now everyone can see what evil, ignorant scumbags they are.

It's a shame that they betray the essence of what republican once meant.
 
2012-02-17 03:23:15 AM  
I just heard that Foster Friess, later in that same interview, claimed that he didn't know Santorum was against birth control.

How can you not know that about him?
 
2012-02-17 03:23:59 AM  

hitchking: How the fark does this keep happening?

Some Republican douchebag proposes a crazy idea. Not just a crazy idea, but one that is so crazy that no one's ever seriously proposed it before. You couldn't imagine there'd be a political audience that would be receptive to such a crazy idea.

But then, as if by magic, It becomes a legitimate subject for debate. Journalists treat it with their awful "one side says this, the other side says this" template. Next thing you know, leading Republicans are lining up behind the idea, the right-wing noise machine amplifies the message, and a third of Americans dutifully treat this as a Very Serious Issue and possibly even A Total Outrage. Then the whole goddamn thing blows over, and we sit waiting for the next one.

The War on Christmas was an early example, and has the bonus of being a perennial weed. The completely psychotic "let's not raise the debt ceiling!" was the pinnacle of this phenomenon. And now this farking thing. Birth control hasn't been controversial in DECADES.

Plus, there are actual issues to talk about. Really important ones. For instance, I hear some Stalinists want kids to eat healthy at school, if you can believe it!



I would read your crappy blog.
 
2012-02-17 03:24:25 AM  
There is really nothing that Aspirin doesn't help with.
 
2012-02-17 03:25:06 AM  
FTA: So there you have it: modern women being told by Republicans that they're not qualified to talk about their own sexual health, are dressed like "whores" and probably need birth control because they're so slutty. And this is just in one day.

miscellany101.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-02-17 03:25:20 AM  

Pocket Ninja: The Santorum campaign has already defused the contraception issue. Move on, people.

Contraception is not the issue. While we all know that the need for contraception merely represents the failure of morality and proper social upbringing, the real societal problems go far beyond the specter of loose women and a "boys will be boys" attitude. Contraception leads to a false sense of security, a willingness to embrace the taboo and dance with the devil in the pale moonlight. .


Having been raised a Catholic, this is incredibly spot on.

/now an Ahiest
//fark Republicans for this shiat
 
2012-02-17 03:27:07 AM  

what_now: No. Everyone is pissed at this. We're tired of being judged by how we dress. We're tired of being told we aren't smart enough to join the discussion, even when this discussion is about us. We're tired of being told our skirt is too short, but we really should put some makeup on...


I really don't know what you're nattering on about, but I can't possibly take your posts seriously when you type them while in your pyjamas.
 
2012-02-17 03:27:56 AM  

blorpenster: [home.insightbb.com image 640x311]


Jesus Christ, he actually said that. Republicans are running a candidate who explicitly suggests that the government should be involved "in the bedroom". And he's still able to run a campaign without being derided by Republicans as a complete and total moral criminal. It's spectacular.
 
2012-02-17 03:29:59 AM  
really? really?
I have no words...
 
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