Hey, if it's bugging you, get you ass over to Syria and join the Resistance.

Ugh, this "LOL they only sent a strongly worded letter!!!" jab at the UN is just so... hacky.

Yes, the General Assembly is a political/diplomatic forum. No, no one thinks that this will be sufficient to dislodge al-Assad. It increases political pressure, particularly on the intransigent Security Council holdouts.

It's unlikely to make a difference, but it's what happens. The US Senate and House pass resolutions condemning other governments all the time. That's diplomacy, that's politics, that's the world.

Unless subby would support the UN forming a large standing army capable of undertaking humanitarian interventions, you should leave the comedy to the comedians and leave international affairs to the grown-ups.

hitchking: Ugh, this "LOL they only sent a strongly worded letter!!!" jab at the UN is just so... hacky.

Yes, the General Assembly is a political/diplomatic forum. No, no one thinks that this will be sufficient to dislodge al-Assad. It increases political pressure, particularly on the intransigent Security Council holdouts.

It's unlikely to make a difference, but it's what happens. The US Senate and House pass resolutions condemning other governments all the time. That's diplomacy, that's politics, that's the world.

Unless subby would support the UN forming a large standing army capable of undertaking humanitarian interventions, you should leave the comedy to the comedians and leave international affairs to the grown-ups.

A big heaping bowl of this. Trying to get member nations of the UN to agree on anything is like herding drunken cats, but that's the nature of diplomacy and bureaucracy.

If you want to biatch about the UN you should start with the fact that only five world powers have the right to veto any resolution and send it down the memory hole forever (and one of those countries is France....). The fact that the UN doesn't just invade sovereign nations the minute something bad goes down is probably a good thing, since that would most likely be a power used and abused by the strong against the weak - which is the very thing the UN was created to prevent.

We should go in, guns blazing, and take that motherfarker out.

hitchking: Ugh, this "LOL they only sent a strongly worded letter!!!" jab at the UN is just so... hacky.

Yes, the General Assembly is a political/diplomatic forum. No, no one thinks that this will be sufficient to dislodge al-Assad. It increases political pressure, particularly on the intransigent Security Council holdouts.

It's unlikely to make a difference, but it's what happens. The US Senate and House pass resolutions condemning other governments all the time. That's diplomacy, that's politics, that's the world.

Unless subby would support the UN forming a large standing army capable of undertaking humanitarian interventions, you should leave the comedy to the comedians and leave international affairs to the grown-ups.

Something like a Global Defense Initiative?

Tatsuma: See, Libyan intervention was right because, but Syrian intervention is wrong because. Makes sense.

Since you're already here, I'll ask you: are you able to take a crack at explaining why Israel abstained?

I would imagine that the unrest in Syria is viewed by most through a lens that factors in Iran, so the now almost inevitable demise of Assad becomes a question of timing. further to this, and again relevant wrt international assistance / interference, is the issue of enshrining fundamental rights post-Assad - I know many of the Kurdish groups are concerned about this, all of which goes some way to explaining their lack of widespread support for the movement. I think that these issues will be ironed out and the following increase in internal momentum will wrap things up - well, it's certainly possible and is the outcome that I am hoping for

Diplomacy is for pussies; nuke first, ask questions later.

Relatively Obscure: hitchking: Ugh, this "LOL they only sent a strongly worded letter!!!" jab at the UN is just so... hacky.

They're a completely impotent and toothless organization that is totally going to start the New World Order and deprive us of our sovereignty and make us sew ourselves to Europe or something.

yeah thats something i never got about the anti UN haters.

1. the UN is a corrupt organization filled with corrupt handwringing nanny staters (see koffi annan and oil for food scandal) and cant decide on anything

yet at the same time

2. its a direct threat to national sovreignty requiring us to get a "permission slip" to act in our defense and wants to come take all yer guns away in the middle of the night with their black helicopters and stuff.

Cognitive Dissonance FTW!

Tatsuma: See, Libyan intervention was right because, but Syrian intervention is wrong because. Makes sense.

tats, i think that the main reason the west has yet to intervene in Syria was exactly because this sort of vote hadnt taken place yet. This was, as you recall, one of the main things which needed to happen before NATO involved itself in Libya: an invitation from the Arab league and UN blessing.

now that those things are in place, it could well be in the future at this point.

Remember when we used to fight proxy wars against Super Powers?

Would subby have said the same thing to Abraham Lincoln?

hitchking: Ugh, this "LOL they only sent a strongly worded letter!!!" jab at the UN is just so... hacky.

Yes, the General Assembly is a political/diplomatic forum. No, no one thinks that this will be sufficient to dislodge al-Assad. It increases political pressure, particularly on the intransigent Security Council holdouts.

It's unlikely to make a difference, but it's what happens. The US Senate and House pass resolutions condemning other governments all the time. That's diplomacy, that's politics, that's the world.

Unless subby would support the UN forming a large standing army capable of undertaking humanitarian interventions, you should leave the comedy to the comedians and leave international affairs to the grown-ups.

I believe it stems more from the "Hey, lets send a letter." "Oh, that one didn't work, let's send ANOTHER letter." "Oh, well, that didn't work either, so let's send another just to make sure that they understood the message." "Hey, did you guys get that message?" "Just checking again, get the message?" "Alright now, if you got the message but are ignoring it, you're going to get sanctioned!" "Now you see here mister, you've been sanctioned, so you'd better get your act together!" merry-go-round that wastes a lot of time with repeat offenders.

Hey, I have an idea. Instead of negotiation or diplomacy, why not have Israel drop cluster bombs all over the place? They're just Arabs, after all.

"Now I haz assad."

12 And if it will make no peace with you, but will make war against you, then you shall besiege it:

13 And when the LORD your God has delivered it into your hands, you shall strike every male in it with the edge of the sword:

14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shall you take unto yourself; and you shall eat the spoil of your enemies, which the LORD your God has given you.

15 Thus shall you do unto all the cities which are very far off from you, which are not of the cities of these nations.

16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD your God does give you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes

--Deuteronomy 20

Amos Quito: 12 And if it will make no peace with you, but will make war against you, then you shall besiege it:

13 And when the LORD your God has delivered it into your hands, you shall strike every male in it with the edge of the sword:

14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shall you take unto yourself; and you shall eat the spoil of your enemies, which the LORD your God has given you.

15 Thus shall you do unto all the cities which are very far off from you, which are not of the cities of these nations.

16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD your God does give you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes

--Deuteronomy 20

religion of peace!

What's awful, downright nauseating actually, was that even after the atrocities committed by the Syrian forces, Russia and China voted "no", AGAIN!

ITG moment here, but Russia & China need to be punished somehow for this. They seem to have completely ignored what the purpose of the UN is all about when they support evil like that.

/And yes, the US needs a good wedgie too when they do stuff like that also.

Tatsuma: See, Libyan intervention was right because it was easy, cheap, and likely to succeed, but Syrian intervention is wrong because it would be hard, expensive, and much less likely to succeed.

Does that make sense? I didn't really support the Libya thing, but decisions on intervention aren't (and can't be) made only on the basis of what is right and what is wrong.

Tat'dGreaser: Tatsuma: See, Libyan intervention was right because, but Syrian intervention is wrong because. Makes sense.

I still can't get over the Libya thing. What a waste of money.

Now now, children. We're forgetting something very important;
Yes, Libyans were getting murdered left right and centre by an evil dictator, who was being supplied weapons by the Russians & the Chinese, which is EXACTLY the same as Syria, but Libya has oil.

farking disgraceful, and I DO support the UN have a military force, and the Security Council no longer having permanent bullies able to impose their will. We should be in Syria now, removing this loonie's regime and helping the locals get democracy going, much as we should have had boots on the ground in Libya, Tunisia and Bahrain as well.
Oh, but wait, Bahrain allows the US & UK governments a naval base in the Gulf. So we're OK with that kind of fascist regime.

Can't slag off the Russians here; they're doing exactly what the US & UK do in Saudi Arabia. We all support democracy, as long as the evil fascist regime in question isn't wanting to sell us oil, or buy fighter jets. Ghadaffi outlived his usefulness, and the oil had stopped flowing, so buh-bye. Assad is still buying all the T-90's and AK74A's he can get his hands on, so no way Russia will let him be removed.

apoptotic: Tatsuma: See, Libyan intervention was right because, but Syrian intervention is wrong because. Makes sense.

Since you're already here, I'll ask you: are you able to take a crack at explaining why Israel abstained?

You seriously expecting an explanation from this habitual liar?

Jake Havechek: apoptotic: Tatsuma: See, Libyan intervention was right because, but Syrian intervention is wrong because. Makes sense.

Since you're already here, I'll ask you: are you able to take a crack at explaining why Israel abstained?

You seriously expecting an explanation from this habitual liar?

Nah not really, but in a moment of boredom I figured it couldn't hurt (much) to ask.

I'm willing to start a collection to sponsor the members of Seal Team Six to put a few bullets in this guy's brain.

What else are they supposed to do? They arent the world police.

Big deal, Israel controlled organization approved resolution backed by Israel controlled organization. Not news

UN = International Fapfest

apoptotic: Tatsuma: See, Libyan intervention was right because, but Syrian intervention is wrong because. Makes sense.

Since you're already here, I'll ask you: are you able to take a crack at explaining why Israel abstained?

They forced almost everybody (= everybody they control) to vote yes, so there was no need to vote themselfs.

This likely means ground troops from the US and Israel by next week.

Since we're quoting Scripture...

Romans 12:9-17

"Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves. Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. Share with the Lord's people who are in need. Practice hospitality."

Relatively Obscure: hitchking: Ugh, this "LOL they only sent a strongly worded letter!!!" jab at the UN is just so... hacky.

They're a completely impotent and toothless organization that is totally going to start the New World Order and deprive us of our sovereignty and make us sew ourselves to Europe or something.

And take our guns, don't forget.

Homer: What's wrong with it?

Editor: You keep using words like "Pasghetti" and "Momatoes" You make numerous threatening references to the UN and at the end you repeat the words "Screw Flanders" over and over again.

Sol Invicti: Since we're quoting Scripture...

Romans 12:9-17

"Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves. Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. Share with the Lord's people who are in need. Practice hospitality."

The new testament doesn't apply to Israel and the Jews. But you knew that.

Tat'dGreaser: Tatsuma: See, Libyan intervention was right because, but Syrian intervention is wrong because. Makes sense.

I still can't get over the Libya thing. What a waste of money.

actually, when one compares the results with the pricetag, compared to the billions in iraq and afghanistan for.... bad results, the outcome in libya aint so bad. NATO didnt kill too many civies, qaddafi got his long overdue 25g of lead to the head, and now the country is ripe for further western exploitation. err i mean "business" and "itroduction of democracy".

id say mission accomplished, frankly.

his own people

And here's your problem. His people are rulers of countries and their palace creatures. He has much more in common with Mitt Romney than with some shopkeeper, just as your typical benighted American voter has far more in common with dirty street Arabs than with the people we vote for.

Guns don't kill the people. Politicians with armies kill the people.

Slappy Kincaid: I'm willing to start a collection to sponsor the members of Seal Team Six to put a few bullets in this guy's brain.

Are you willing to take up a collection to deal with the aftermath? Maybe you haven't paid attention to what happens if you ignore that important part of the equation?

Tatsuma: See, Libyan intervention was right because, but Syrian intervention is wrong because. Makes sense.

Ctrl-F in article for "Libya": 0 results
Ctrl-F in thread for "Libya": 0 results before you introduced it.

Talk about derailment. Seriously, that wasn't even peripheral to the discussion until you decided it should be central.

Father_Jack: religion of peace!

Because the only way to peace is to let the violent destroy you. Excellent thinking, Jack!

SithLord: This likely means ground troops from the US and Israel by next week.

Yeah, about that .. Israel is not going to put its ass on the line and her boys in harm's way to save its enemies from killing each other as long as it does not cross the border.

/there's a reason they'll never surrender the Golan Heights

s2s2s2: Father_Jack: religion of peace!

Because the only way to peace is to let the violent destroy you. Excellent thinking, Jack!

If you were saved, you could let the violent kill you and you would go to heaven.

/SO many American Christians are just dying for the chance to kill a brown person. Like Jesus.