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(The New York Times)   Gary Edmund Carter. "Kid." Expos 1974-84, 1992; Mets 1985-89; Giants 1990; Dodgers 1991; Angels 2012   (nytimes.com) divider line 104
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2012-02-16 09:56:26 PM  
When I was 9 years old, the summer of 1982, my family went on vacation to Montreal. I was over the moon. The Expos were my favourite team, and Gary Carter was my favourite player. Next was Andre Dawson. We got tickets to see a game at Olympic Stadium. Our tickets were right behind home plate, about a dozen rows up from field level. Great seats. My mother points out Gary Carter behind home plate, right in front of us. I couldn't see him. Couldn't read the letters on the back of his jersey. My mother made an optometrist appointment for me when we got home. Sure enough, I needed glasses.

Very sad to see loose such a talented player and all-around nice guy, though. I always think about the strike-shortened 1994 season and how things might have been had he stayed in Montreal. Here is an interesting 'what-if' piece speculating on if the strike never happened...

/csb?
 
2012-02-16 09:59:20 PM  
Dammit.

AND QUIT SHOWING HIM AS A MET, OVER AND OVER, ESPN -- DUDE IS AN EXPO

/bitter
//not even from montreal
///tired of watching small markets develop talent for big markets
//farking slackers... buying pennants and shiat... fark you
/*billy beane moment*
 
2012-02-16 10:04:12 PM  
Lifelong Expos fan, up to the very end (saw the last game). Never got to a game as a kid growing up back in Labrador, so had to settle following Raines, Dawson and, of course, The Kid by day-old Montreal Gazette newspaper reports, the odd televised game, and O-Pee-Chee stickers.

Classy man, likely contributed more to the 86 Mets' win far more than he'll ever get credit for.

Fark the dust, I genuinely had a tear in my eye when I heard this today.

:(
 
2012-02-16 10:09:18 PM  

gameshowhost: Dammit.

AND QUIT SHOWING HIM AS A MET, OVER AND OVER, ESPN -- DUDE IS AN EXPO

/bitter
//not even from montreal
///tired of watching small markets develop talent for big markets
//farking slackers... buying pennants and shiat... fark you
/*billy beane moment*


Amen. Youppi shed a tear, I'm sure.
 
2012-02-16 10:09:21 PM  
I don't even follow baseball and Gary Carter was one of the best I've ever known.

Class act. And just a fookin'-A nice guy to boot.

I has a sad :(
 
2012-02-16 10:15:03 PM  

xaks: I don't even follow baseball and Gary Carter was one of the best I've ever known.

Class act. And just a fookin'-A nice guy to boot.


That goes without saying. Dude did part of his HoF speech in French.
 
2012-02-16 10:15:17 PM  

generalDisdain: Petorian Guard: generalDisdain: ESPN didn't say anything about cause of death. Anyone?

Brian cancer.

And Puckett died at 46 from a massive stroke.
I wonder what kind of chemicals leached out of the old astroturf at Olympic stadium.
I am not a conspiracy person, it just seems odd.


I got a greenlight on a link about that a few months back, someone else had just died and i found out about Carter being sick then. It was quite a list, like 50% of the players on the field one particular day (or series?) all died of cancer. It included Dan Quisenberry, but I can't remember the link.
 
2012-02-16 10:15:59 PM  

Evil Canadian: Cybernetic: I remember Carter as a part of the Expos teams that battled the Phillies for the NL East title in the late 1970s.

RIP

Same here. I won't forget those days at all - that was a great time to be an Expos fan. We listened to those games during band practice (somewhat secretly, during breaks in our rehearsal). He was an excellent player and an excellent man.

Condolences to his family, and RIP Gary.


Add my name to the list. Was at as many games as I could afford to until I moved for work in "78. Still caught games whenever I was in town. A everyone says, a true gentleman, and a real class act.

Enjoy Kid, You've earned it.
 
2012-02-16 10:16:46 PM  
I grew up an Expos fan. Today sucks.
 
2012-02-16 10:25:20 PM  
Angels? Bullshiat, Gary Carter would never play for the American League.

/RIP
 
2012-02-16 10:28:08 PM  

stebain: generalDisdain: Petorian Guard: generalDisdain: ESPN didn't say anything about cause of death. Anyone?

Brian cancer.

And Puckett died at 46 from a massive stroke.
I wonder what kind of chemicals leached out of the old astroturf at Olympic stadium.
I am not a conspiracy person, it just seems odd.

I got a greenlight on a link about that a few months back, someone else had just died and i found out about Carter being sick then. It was quite a list, like 50% of the players on the field one particular day (or series?) all died of cancer. It included Dan Quisenberry, but I can't remember the link.


I don't remember where I read it, but I think there are statistics about greenskeepers from Lou Gehrig's era who developed ALS.
The hypothesis is that the pesticides used on the field caused the disease.
Apologies for no actual citation.
 
2012-02-16 10:29:38 PM  

Petorian Guard: He was the reason I played catcher for most of my little league career.

Will miss ya, kid.


Me too. I wore #8 ad well. Wasn't even a Mets fan, just always loved the way he played the game. Damn shame.
 
2012-02-16 10:34:13 PM  
RIP Kid.

Time flies, only seems like yesterday I was cheering for Pepe Mangual, Gary Carter, and Woodie Fryman.

Life sucks.
 
2012-02-16 10:36:04 PM  
I grew up rooting for the Cubs in the early '80s, and Gary Carter was one of those players who constantly beat my team but I still liked him.

R.I.P.
 
2012-02-16 10:36:16 PM  

Backstreets: (saw the last game)


www.jimpoz.com
/was at the Expos' last game too
 
2012-02-16 10:43:15 PM  
This one has hit me harder than I expected. One of the big heroes of my teens is gone before his time.

Condolences to the family, rest in peace, Gary.
 
2012-02-16 10:43:41 PM  
csb
I went to the Mickey Owen Baseball school when I was a kid. Gary Carter was the most famous graduate. Probably every bunkhouse had his fake autograph carved in. Last year I discovered that Michael Jordan was there the year before I was. He won a 'scholarship' as the best baseball playing kid in Atlanta. Billy Corgan went there, also. So anyway, RIP Gary Carter. I have nothing but good memories of you.
 
2012-02-16 10:49:44 PM  

zarberg: Stupid personal anecdote time:

I grew up in Southwest CT and due to family influence as a kid hated the Yankees. I wanted to see a baseball game, so got my mom to take me to a Mets game, great seats near the field. Long story short: I approached a few opposing team -Pittsburgh Pirates - players at the edge of the stands before the game looking for an autograph, and when they saw I wasn't wearing any Pittsburgh regalia they feigned that it was too hot out, went into the dugout until I walked away and then popped back out to finish signing autographs. My mom was sad my little child feelings had been hurt, so she wrote a letter to the Mets explaining things. 3 Months later we got a thick envelope back and it contains a team photo, signed by Gary Carter, Ron Darling, and Jesse Orosco with a note written in handwriting that looked more like Carter's that said "fans are why we play, God bless."

Dude made my year.

I know, I know, CSB.


No, seriously. Cool story, bro. Thanks for sharing.
 
2012-02-16 10:55:16 PM  
:(

R.i.p. Kid
 
2012-02-16 11:05:04 PM  
Every time someone says, "Lights, camera, pressure," Carter accidentally starts hitting line drives through walls.
 
2012-02-16 11:10:08 PM  

Pontious Pilates: I know, I know, CSB.

No, seriously. Cool story, bro. Thanks for sharing.


That was a cool story. Some CSBs are definitely worth sharing.

Gary Carter was one of those guys nobody seems to have anything bad to say about. I grew up a Dodger fan, so I was generally ambivalent about the Expos and Mets (except in '88 playoffs of course. I was too young in '81). I was thrilled when Carter left the Giants and came to play for the good guys.

I'm glad he lived long enough to see his HOF induction.
 
2012-02-16 11:10:26 PM  
I was always happy to get a Gary Carter card and a stick of gum. RIP Sir.
 
2012-02-16 11:16:30 PM  
media.masslive.com
RIP Curly
 
2012-02-16 11:41:24 PM  

superoogie: This one has hit me harder than I expected. One of the big heroes of my teens is gone before his time.

Condolences to the family, rest in peace, Gary.


Same here for a number of reasons. I used to listen to the Expos radio broadcasts every night while I was doing my homework in my bedroom (always in summer school). Every time Dave Van Horne or Duke Snyder would announce that Carter was up to bat, I would imagine #8 standing in the batter's box, pulling at his sleeves at the shoulder and adjusting his batting helmet. I would then imagine hearing the crack of the bat and Carter hitting a homerun. One night, while the Expos were playing the Mets, Carter was at bat in the top of the 9th and Montreal was down by two runs with two out. There were two men on base and once again, my imagination was picturing Carter hitting a homerun. Sure enough, there was that distinctive crack that the bat makes when it makes solid contact. The fans at the Shea Stadium went silent and I then heard Dave Van Horne start his "this ball is up, up anddddd ... foul." You could almost hear the sigh of relief from the Mets fans. My heart was thumping 200 beats a minute. In the end Carter struck out and the game was over but it was absolutely exhilarating listening to this. For some reason, this is the first thing I thought of when I first heard of his death; that evening about thirty years ago.
 
2012-02-16 11:42:55 PM  
RIP Balls of Stone.
 
2012-02-16 11:48:33 PM  
Damnitsomuch... :-(

i.usatoday.net

Gary Carter is part of why I'm still a Met's fan.
 
2012-02-16 11:58:56 PM  
He really was great at what he did. As a Phillies fan I saw him a lot when he played with the Expos and Mets. He was one of the few guys I could never work up a hate for. He was a great ambassador for the game.
 
2012-02-17 12:03:10 AM  
RIP Gary Carter. A great baseball player...and even a better person

Seems everyone has listen all his accomplishments. He was also the original color commentator for Florida Marlins TV broadcasts
 
2012-02-17 12:43:40 AM  
One of my fondest memories from early childhood was watching the 1986 World Series. It's a shame that Gary Carter had to go so soon. I hope he's in a better place.
 
2012-02-17 01:46:03 AM  
LIke so many here, I loved the way the guy played the game. Finding out that he was a first-class human being was just icing on the cake. RIP, Kid.
 
2012-02-17 01:59:02 AM  

Piscator:

[www.jimpoz.com image 489x350]
/was at the Expos' last game too


shea stadium?
 
2012-02-17 02:00:56 AM  
every post here was incredible, thanks!
 
2012-02-17 02:15:33 AM  
I had his cards as a kid. :(
 
2012-02-17 02:19:28 AM  

Piscator:
Very sad to see loose such a talented player and all-around nice guy, though. I always think about the strike-shortened 1994 season and how things might have been had he stayed in Montreal. Here is an interesting 'what-if' piece speculating on if the strike never happened...

/csb?

nice recap- thanks for posting
martinez was not a factor, ken Hill was incredible- and mel Rojas was lights out that year- fletcher was clutch and alou was batting .330, marQ caught everything and Walker was NLMVP- still a sad ending for me.
our best player was every one including mike lansing who never got any credit he deserved.
RIP Gary!
 
2012-02-17 03:01:27 AM  
Gary Edmund Carter. "Kid." Expos 1974-84, 1992; Mets 1985-89; Giants 1990; Dodgers 1991; Angels 2012

Ah damn, condolences to his family and friends.

Even dead he's still a better catcher than anyone the Angels had last year.

/Yes, they got Chris Iannetta, let's see how he does for a whole season at sea level
 
2012-02-17 03:04:18 AM  

zarberg: Stupid personal anecdote time:

I grew up in Southwest CT and due to family influence as a kid hated the Yankees. I wanted to see a baseball game, so got my mom to take me to a Mets game, great seats near the field. Long story short: I approached a few opposing team -Pittsburgh Pirates - players at the edge of the stands before the game looking for an autograph, and when they saw I wasn't wearing any Pittsburgh regalia they feigned that it was too hot out, went into the dugout until I walked away and then popped back out to finish signing autographs. My mom was sad my little child feelings had been hurt, so she wrote a letter to the Mets explaining things. 3 Months later we got a thick envelope back and it contains a team photo, signed by Gary Carter, Ron Darling, and Jesse Orosco with a note written in handwriting that looked more like Carter's that said "fans are why we play, God bless."


Around 1983 or so, I was given an assignment in 3rd grade to write a letter to someone famous. Gary Carter was my favorite player, even though I grew up in Chicago. I don't remember what I wrote, but I do remember receiving a manila envelope with a color photo of Carter that he had signed and wrote a little something. I felt like the luckiest kid in the world.

/My brother sent his to Reggie Jackson, never heard a thing back
 
2012-02-17 03:33:28 AM  
Huge fan of his, being a catcher and watching the Mets win it all in '86. Many years later I when I found out that he would be coming to my old home town to do an appearance for a company at the Little League World Series, I jumped at the chance to pick him up at the airport. Turns out he was a douche. He spent the entire time biatching about one thing or another until it was time to sign autographs, then he was all smiles. Signing time over, back to being a world class diva.

I'm not bashing him because he's dead, just relating my GC story like everyone else. More often than not, you're better off not meeting your childhood sports heroes.
 
2012-02-17 04:11:19 AM  
The Angels are loaded and they just get better every year. Carter won't get much playing time behind Berra and Cochrane, but he'll be a real asset in August and doubleheaders
 
2012-02-17 04:44:29 AM  
Evidently Yogi Berra is still alive. Huh.
 
2012-02-17 07:25:17 AM  

jimpoz: Backstreets: (saw the last game)

[www.jimpoz.com image 489x350]
/was at the Expos' last game too


notsureifserious.jpg

/that was from their last road series with the Mets
//I was at the actual last game in the big "Owe"
///Bud Selig didn't have the balls to show up. Fans were booing him all night.
////I think Carter also used to do Expos broadcasts if my memory serves me right
 
2012-02-17 08:40:20 AM  

stebain: generalDisdain: Petorian Guard: generalDisdain: ESPN didn't say anything about cause of death. Anyone?

Brian cancer.

And Puckett died at 46 from a massive stroke.
I wonder what kind of chemicals leached out of the old astroturf at Olympic stadium.
I am not a conspiracy person, it just seems odd.

I got a greenlight on a link about that a few months back, someone else had just died and i found out about Carter being sick then. It was quite a list, like 50% of the players on the field one particular day (or series?) all died of cancer. It included Dan Quisenberry, but I can't remember the link.


Manager Dick Howser
George Brett's brother Ken
Harmon Kilebrew played his las season with the Royals

Paul Splittorff didn't have a brain tumor but did have throat cancer and melanoma
coached during 70s and returned in the 90s Steve Boros multiple myeloma
Pat Dobson coach 1991
Charley Lau coach and player from mid 60's - end of 70s

Bob Tufts has multiple myeloma
Mel Stott


there are more. Even without the cancer, it seems like the 1970's Royals players have unusually bad luck

The Phillies also had brain tumor deaths

Tug McGraw
Johnny Oates
John Vukovich


Bobby Murcer also died from a brain tumor


This article raises some questions. I didn't even realize the entire Dodgers starting outfielders had cancer
 
2012-02-17 09:07:00 AM  

hbk72777: The Phillies also had brain tumor deaths

Tug McGraw
Johnny Oates
John Vukovich


Thanks for the reminder. It was the Royals Phillies world series that I found something related to this.
Article
Fark thread
 
2012-02-17 09:30:15 AM  
57, my age. Jeesh. RIP Kid.
 
2012-02-17 09:34:33 AM  
I used to see him with Cromartie and Dawson at a deli called Chenoy's on St. John's road in DDO and at the Bar B Barn downtown. Nicest guy you could ever meet. Signed stuff until people stopped asking. My condolences to his family.
 
2012-02-17 09:43:21 AM  
As a Mets fan who was born just before spring training in 1986 (how's that for a sign?) I was way too young to remember him. But still. RIP.

jimpoz: Backstreets: (saw the last game)

[www.jimpoz.com image 489x350]
/was at the Expos' last game too


Citi is so much better than Shea, but I do miss that monstrosity of a scoreboard.
 
2012-02-17 09:47:21 AM  
Put Lance Parrish in the hall already.
 
2012-02-17 10:06:10 AM  
RIP The first baseball superstar in Canada.
 
2012-02-17 10:09:14 AM  

mjoven1975: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 470x325]

Carter had one of the best white guy perms of the late '70s and 80's. R.I.P. Kid.


Right--forgot about that. I had one of those about the same time; with what hair I got left it would take about 30 seconds to do another one.
 
2012-02-17 12:12:31 PM  

The_Sponge: :-(

CSB:

A few years ago, I had the chance to meet him during an autograph signing at a local sports card shop. (He signed a baseball for me.)

/Really nice guy.
//One more CSB:
///His daughter was delivered around the same time and by the same doctor as my younger brother....happened in Montreal.


I went to high school with her, and met Mr. Carter a few times. Both are/were very kind and open-hearted.
 
2012-02-17 01:52:03 PM  

dj_spanmaster: I went to high school with her, and met Mr. Carter a few times. Both are/were very kind and open-hearted.



Small world, eh?
 
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