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(The Nation)   Republican panelists at the House contraception hearing were all men. Some women seem to have a problem with this   (thenation.com ) divider line
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2012-02-16 05:11:26 PM  
If women would just close their legs more often, than we would not have to have this debate!

/heard it on Hannity srsly
 
2012-02-16 05:12:06 PM  
Representative government is named that way for a reason. I do not have to be a stab victim to make a law against knife assault.
 
2012-02-16 05:13:02 PM  

Theaetetus: DozeNutz: Ok, well, does the unborn have a choice? Its going to live and become a person.

I'd like a citation for your claimed 0% miscarriage rate.

Did you know an unborn baby has inheritance rights?

Did you know the difference between vested and unvested rights?

Did you know the doctor can get sued if it injures an unborn baby?

Did you know that the suit is going to be in the name of the parents, not the alleged fetus?

But if its unwanted, those legal rights are not there. So where is the justice in that?

Where does it make sense to grant every miscarriage legal rights?

2 sets of laws because a child is unwanted?

Actually, it's one set of laws. As noted above, you're wrong about your understanding of the laws regarding fetuses.


Just wait till insurance companies have to start paying out life insurance settlements for miscarriages.
 
2012-02-16 05:13:08 PM  

heap: kapaso: heap: "Alright, Mrs. Johnson - back that thing on up over the pit, and we'll take a look at it"

I didn't think Obamacare had started yet?

i think you may be at least a couple quarts low.


Maybe the result of a blown seal?
 
2012-02-16 05:13:57 PM  

moothemagiccow: Representative government is named that way for a reason. I do not have to be a stab victim to make a law against knife assault.


Know how I know you didn't read the article?
 
2012-02-16 05:14:00 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: heap: kapaso: heap: "Alright, Mrs. Johnson - back that thing on up over the pit, and we'll take a look at it"

I didn't think Obamacare had started yet?

i think you may be at least a couple quarts low.

Maybe the result of a blown seal?


nah, that's just ice cream
 
2012-02-16 05:17:44 PM  

GardenWeasel: Just wait till insurance companies have to start paying out life insurance settlements for miscarriages.


Do you think that will happen before or after they start writing policies for blastocytes?

/I'm quite amused that spell-check wanted to correct "blastocytes" (which I may indeed have spelled wrong) to "blastoffs". Good choice.
 
2012-02-16 05:18:44 PM  

Raoul Eaton: timujin: It is inconceivable to me that you believe tomorrow's hearing has no bearing on the reproductive rights of women. This Committee commits a massive injustice by trying to pretend that the views of millions of women across this country are meaningless, worthless, or irrelevant to this debate.

Look, sugartits, sit down and listen. This isn't about women's reproductive "rights." It's about Obama's war on religion in general and on Christianity specifically. He wants to use U.S. law to fight religious doctrine, a clear violation of the separation of church and state. The panel consisted of religious leaders because those are the people who are supposed to make these decisions.

I call Poe's Law on this, if someone hasn't already.

//Not going to pore through 6 pages to find out.


Most of the time I call myself out in the post, just to not be labelled a troll, but this was so obviously stupid that I just let it roll.
 
2012-02-16 05:20:41 PM  

heap: kapaso: heap: "Alright, Mrs. Johnson - back that thing on up over the pit, and we'll take a look at it"

I didn't think Obamacare had started yet?

i think you may be at least a couple quarts low.


I'm transitioning from a conventional job to small business owner right now, If the repubs win and dismantle it, I will be in a world of hurt.

Once I leave my current position I will no longer be able to get health insurance until the preexisting condition clause kicks in, my cobra package is over 1500 a month, I won't be carrying that very long. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be opening the business at all if I weren't able to get healthcare.

My Boobies was sarcasm.
 
2012-02-16 05:25:05 PM  

kapaso: My Boobies was sarcasm.


Sadly all too common on Fark these days.
 
2012-02-16 05:30:55 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Obama beat McCain 58-43 in with women in 2008. Apparently the GOP thinks 43% was too high.


Oh, once they see all the rational man-thinking that congress will show on this, they'll fall in line.
 
2012-02-16 05:39:14 PM  

Knara: Phineas J Whoopee: swarthy

Swarthy is a great word.

I just wanted to point that out.


I'm more of a 'smarmy' kinda guy.
 
2012-02-16 05:39:42 PM  

ohioman: Knara:

but when did derpublicans ever know what they were talking about?



I have a theory. Even the most reactionary, out of touch Republicans have to know that an overwhelming majority of people have no problem with birth control, so why waste so much time on these ridiculous hearings and purposely take the vastly less popular side?

I think they know there will be real problems getting the base turned out to vote for whichever empty $10,000 suit they end up nominating in November.They fear the economy slowly recovering and losing the narrative on that front. So, I think we're in for months of this "Obama is at war with Religion" bullshiat and the rhetoric will only get worse. I looks to me like we're witnessing the birth of a new set of social issues designed to get idiots to vote against their own economic interests again.

...then again, maybe Republicans are just a bunch of schmucks who blindly oppose the black guy in the white house for no good reason and i'm over thinking all of this...
 
2012-02-16 05:46:09 PM  
Do we really want to set a precedent for having women discuss penis health issues? Hmm?
 
2012-02-16 05:46:33 PM  
There's this young woman I know who's on medicaid, and every month I know when her period starts because there's an ambulance taking her to the ER because of blood loss.

She's hardcore GOP, religious, and opposed to BC pills. I keep telling her to use it so that she could save the government money. She keeps saying that my suggestion is a violation of her religious freedom. I point out that it doesn't matter since your tubes are tied anyway.

I'm half tempted to put some nails in her driveway for when the ambulance comes, just to ultimately save a lot of money in the long run.


She dropped out of high school when she was pregnant the first time. She doesn't have a GED, and works a part time job at a fast food joint because it's the only place she can get a job at that's hiring.

She's also paying half of her paycheck in child support to her son. Her baby daddy for that one has custody.
She's not getting child support for the kid she's raising on her own because that baby daddy is a deadbeat.
 
2012-02-16 05:51:23 PM  

sendtodave: Jake Havechek: lordaction: But feminists tell me that there are absolutely no differences between male and female. Why would they have a problem with this?

You probably need an instruction manual for your dick.

The only important thing is that he has is one.


FTFY.
 
2012-02-16 05:54:33 PM  

J. Walter Weatherman: ohioman: Knara:

but when did derpublicans ever know what they were talking about?


I have a theory. Even the most reactionary, out of touch Republicans have to know that an overwhelming majority of people have no problem with birth control, so why waste so much time on these ridiculous hearings and purposely take the vastly less popular side?

I think they know there will be real problems getting the base turned out to vote for whichever empty $10,000 suit they end up nominating in November.They fear the economy slowly recovering and losing the narrative on that front. So, I think we're in for months of this "Obama is at war with Religion" bullshiat and the rhetoric will only get worse. I looks to me like we're witnessing the birth of a new set of social issues designed to get idiots to vote against their own economic interests again.

...then again, maybe Republicans are just a bunch of schmucks who blindly oppose the black guy in the white house for no good reason and i'm over thinking all of this...


i have a theory. some people don't recognize a constitutional issue when it's right in front of their face.
when they turn around it's gonna bite them in the butt.
 
2012-02-16 05:55:04 PM  
A bunch of men have decided this isn't a woman's health issue. So .. well .. I guess that's that.
 
2012-02-16 05:56:33 PM  

J. Walter Weatherman: I think they know there will be real problems getting the base turned out to vote for whichever empty $10,000 suit they end up nominating in November.They fear the economy slowly recovering and losing the narrative on that front. So, I think we're in for months of this "Obama is at war with Religion" bullshiat and the rhetoric will only get worse. I looks to me like we're witnessing the birth of a new set of social issues designed to get idiots to vote against their own economic interests again.


This is absolutely the base.

The GOP is well aware of the lack of voter enthusiasm on their side this election. In (almost?) all the state contests so far, voter turnout has been way, way down.

The tactic they've decided on is to try and get the social issues back into the picture, but what I think they're going to find is that the 2010's aren't the 1980's and 1990's.
 
2012-02-16 05:57:20 PM  

skullkrusher: PsiChick: "In honor of your 'Birth Control Hearing', we're having a hearing on whether mandated colonoscopies should be scheduled twice a year or once a month, and whether we should also mandate circumcision. I'm afraid no men are qualified to take part."

/Problem solved.

women have colons


Testicular cancer? I don't know, pick something random. Joke still works.
 
2012-02-16 05:57:58 PM  

Benni K Rok: There's this young woman I know who's on medicaid, and every month I know when her period starts because there's an ambulance taking her to the ER because of blood loss.


Off-topic, but has she had a thorough medical examination of her reproductive system? My mom had absolutely monstrous periods for years; turns out she had cystic fibrosis. She ended up needing a full hysterectomy.
 
2012-02-16 05:58:13 PM  

Knara: This is absolutely the case.


*sigh* FTFM

My typing has been assy as of late. Probably early-onset Alzheimers.
 
2012-02-16 05:59:08 PM  

PsiChick: skullkrusher: PsiChick: "In honor of your 'Birth Control Hearing', we're having a hearing on whether mandated colonoscopies should be scheduled twice a year or once a month, and whether we should also mandate circumcision. I'm afraid no men are qualified to take part."

/Problem solved.

women have colons

Testicular cancer? I don't know, pick something random. Joke still works.


Digital prostate exams.
 
2012-02-16 05:59:24 PM  

PsiChick: skullkrusher: PsiChick: "In honor of your 'Birth Control Hearing', we're having a hearing on whether mandated colonoscopies should be scheduled twice a year or once a month, and whether we should also mandate circumcision. I'm afraid no men are qualified to take part."

/Problem solved.

women have colons

Testicular cancer? I don't know, pick something random. Joke still works.


Erectile dysfunction. Viagra will no longer be covered.
 
2012-02-16 06:05:30 PM  

J. Walter Weatherman: I have a theory. Even the most reactionary, out of touch Republicans have to know that an overwhelming majority of people have no problem with birth control, so why waste so much time on these ridiculous hearings and purposely take the vastly less popular side?

I think they know there will be real problems getting the base turned out to vote for whichever empty $10,000 suit they end up nominating in November.They fear the economy slowly recovering and losing the narrative on that front. So, I think we're in for months of this "Obama is at war with Religion" bullshiat and the rhetoric will only get worse. I looks to me like we're witnessing the birth of a new set of social issues designed to get idiots to vote against their own economic interests again.


Yeah, that's pretty much it. Mitt the (Mormon) Ripper still has a good shot at winning the nomination, and the GOP is shiatting bricks over the evangelicals staying home in November. They're pulling out all the stops to try to get them out to vote, and Obama is more than willing to hammer that wedge home knowing it'll scare off even more moderates.
 
2012-02-16 06:07:16 PM  

colon_pow: ..

i have a theory. some people don't recognize a constitutional issue when it's right in front of their face.
when they turn around it's gonna bite them in the butt.


except that its not

unless insurance companies are now considered to be religious institutions
 
2012-02-16 06:10:46 PM  
How much do women who vote Republican hate themselves? It must be more than just a little at this point.
 
2012-02-16 06:11:52 PM  

MrEricSir: How much do women who vote Republican hate themselves? It must be more than just a little at this point.


About as much as the gay/lesbian folks, or the poor, or any ethnic minorities, etc etc
 
2012-02-16 06:12:27 PM  
As a female Georgetown professor, I am very proud of this group.
/no time to read thread. But good for them.
 
2012-02-16 06:12:36 PM  

colon_pow: unexplained bacon: colon_pow: buying bcp is like buying extended warranty on your new tires, i.e., something different than your auto insurance.

how so?

how is it any different than any other prescription pill?

where did you even get that idea? got a link or something?

the point is, smaller, inexpensive health care items shouldn't be a part of health care insurance. when compared to auto insurance, the analogy is: do you submit a claim to the insurance company if you need to change your oil? huh?
same goes for health ins. why include basic health maintenance kind of thing?


I was going to make a joke about colonoscopies, but it was just too obvious.

Still, no more insured colonoscopies it seems, since that's "basic health maintenance". Or any other pill you take regularly, like heart pills, since that's "basic health maintenance" as well. The really should cover "emergency pills," either, like pain pills or antibiotics. I mean, it'd be like having your insurance pay for an emergency tire change. Those are analogous, smaller, inexpensive items, right?
 
2012-02-16 06:14:56 PM  
Oops. My comment was in reference to the Georgetown Law group represented by Fluke, not the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

/watch the video at the bottom.
 
2012-02-16 06:17:29 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Digital prostate exams.


Analog is warmer, and punchier. Definitely punchier.
 
2012-02-16 06:19:48 PM  

Knara: MrEricSir: How much do women who vote Republican hate themselves? It must be more than just a little at this point.

About as much as the gay/lesbian folks, or the poor, or any ethnic minorities, etc etc


Hating yourself is the basic principle of being a republican
 
2012-02-16 06:25:58 PM  

MrEricSir: How much do women who vote Republican hate themselves? It must be more than just a little at this point.


I ask the same question about gay Republicans, black Republicans, atheist Republicans, Muslim Republicans, etc...

I mean, I can understand not wanting to be a Democrat. That's fine. But why join a party that actively hates you?
 
2012-02-16 06:27:38 PM  

heinekenftw: Do we really want to set a precedent for having women discuss penis health issues? Hmm?


You need to buy a month of TFD.
 
2012-02-16 06:29:13 PM  

colon_pow: unexplained bacon: colon_pow: buying bcp is like buying extended warranty on your new tires, i.e., something different than your auto insurance.

how so?

how is it any different than any other prescription pill?

where did you even get that idea? got a link or something?

the point is, smaller, inexpensive health care items shouldn't be a part of health care insurance. when compared to auto insurance, the analogy is: do you submit a claim to the insurance company if you need to change your oil? huh?
same goes for health ins. why include basic health maintenance kind of thing?


So a routine physical at the doctor would be not covred? Many things are caught then.

Same for colonoscopy, obgyn visits.

Medicine is not cheap in this country. Any medicine
 
2012-02-16 06:30:09 PM  

Megathuma: As a female Georgetown professor, I am very proud of this group.
/no time to read thread. But good for them.


Which group?
 
2012-02-16 06:30:31 PM  

BMulligan: HeartBurnKid: Digital prostate exams.

Analog is warmer, and punchier. Definitely punchier.


Depends on the sample rate and what type of compression, if any, is used on the digital test. Remember, the RIAA basically came about as a group tasked with setting standards that prevented the stylus from bouncing out of the groove under certain high gain conditions. Without the RIAA standards, not all analog is equal. Think about it. Do you really want the RIAA involved with your prostate exam? Aren't they deep enough already?
 
2012-02-16 06:35:01 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: BMulligan: HeartBurnKid: Digital prostate exams.

Analog is warmer, and punchier. Definitely punchier.

Depends on the sample rate and what type of compression, if any, is used on the digital test. Remember, the RIAA basically came about as a group tasked with setting standards that prevented the stylus from bouncing out of the groove under certain high gain conditions. Without the RIAA standards, not all analog is equal. Think about it. Do you really want the RIAA involved with your prostate exam? Aren't they deep enough already?


Why did "prevented the stylus from bouncing out of the groove" sound so nasty in that context?
 
2012-02-16 06:37:55 PM  

BMulligan: More_Like_A_Stain: BMulligan: HeartBurnKid: Digital prostate exams.

Analog is warmer, and punchier. Definitely punchier.

Depends on the sample rate and what type of compression, if any, is used on the digital test. Remember, the RIAA basically came about as a group tasked with setting standards that prevented the stylus from bouncing out of the groove under certain high gain conditions. Without the RIAA standards, not all analog is equal. Think about it. Do you really want the RIAA involved with your prostate exam? Aren't they deep enough already?

Why did "prevented the stylus from bouncing out of the groove" sound so nasty in that context?


You probably thought of the guy who drank the tap water in tijuana the night before going analog...
 
2012-02-16 06:38:38 PM  

DORMAMU: BMulligan: More_Like_A_Stain: BMulligan: HeartBurnKid: Digital prostate exams.

Analog is warmer, and punchier. Definitely punchier.

Depends on the sample rate and what type of compression, if any, is used on the digital test. Remember, the RIAA basically came about as a group tasked with setting standards that prevented the stylus from bouncing out of the groove under certain high gain conditions. Without the RIAA standards, not all analog is equal. Think about it. Do you really want the RIAA involved with your prostate exam? Aren't they deep enough already?

Why did "prevented the stylus from bouncing out of the groove" sound so nasty in that context?

You probably thought of the guy who drank the tap water in tijuana the night before going analog...


Ken Caminiti?
 
2012-02-16 06:39:40 PM  

BMulligan: More_Like_A_Stain: BMulligan: HeartBurnKid: Digital prostate exams.

Analog is warmer, and punchier. Definitely punchier.

Depends on the sample rate and what type of compression, if any, is used on the digital test. Remember, the RIAA basically came about as a group tasked with setting standards that prevented the stylus from bouncing out of the groove under certain high gain conditions. Without the RIAA standards, not all analog is equal. Think about it. Do you really want the RIAA involved with your prostate exam? Aren't they deep enough already?

Why did "prevented the stylus from bouncing out of the groove" sound so nasty in that context?


Because I meant it to? It's not easy conflating eq standards with prostate exams. So if you're going to do it, don't hold back.
 
2012-02-16 06:43:58 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: BMulligan: HeartBurnKid: Digital prostate exams.

Analog is warmer, and punchier. Definitely punchier.

Depends on the sample rate and what type of compression, if any, is used on the digital test. Remember, the RIAA basically came about as a group tasked with setting standards that prevented the stylus from bouncing out of the groove under certain high gain conditions. Without the RIAA standards, not all analog is equal. Think about it. Do you really want the RIAA involved with your prostate exam? Aren't they deep enough already?


Somehow, I just knew the RIAA was involved in prostate health. Jamming things up people's asses seems like second nature to them.
 
2012-02-16 06:58:00 PM  
If an employer uses an insurance company that covers birth control for other clients, isn't that company helping to pay for the birth control? That is how insurance works, isn't it? The insurance companies don't just keep the money in separate piles.

If that's the case, then how is this bullshiat about anything other than employers simply trying to control the freedom of their employees?
 
2012-02-16 06:59:05 PM  

timujin: colon_pow: unexplained bacon: colon_pow: buying bcp is like buying extended warranty on your new tires, i.e., something different than your auto insurance.

how so?

how is it any different than any other prescription pill?

where did you even get that idea? got a link or something?

the point is, smaller, inexpensive health care items shouldn't be a part of health care insurance. when compared to auto insurance, the analogy is: do you submit a claim to the insurance company if you need to change your oil? huh?
same goes for health ins. why include basic health maintenance kind of thing?

I was going to make a joke about colonoscopies, but it was just too obvious.

Still, no more insured colonoscopies it seems, since that's "basic health maintenance". Or any other pill you take regularly, like heart pills, since that's "basic health maintenance" as well. The really should cover "emergency pills," either, like pain pills or antibiotics. I mean, it'd be like having your insurance pay for an emergency tire change. Those are analogous, smaller, inexpensive items, right?


i have a high deductible plan, so i do pay for that sort of thing.
 
2012-02-16 07:00:00 PM  

HeartBurnKid: More_Like_A_Stain: BMulligan: HeartBurnKid: Digital prostate exams.

Analog is warmer, and punchier. Definitely punchier.

Depends on the sample rate and what type of compression, if any, is used on the digital test. Remember, the RIAA basically came about as a group tasked with setting standards that prevented the stylus from bouncing out of the groove under certain high gain conditions. Without the RIAA standards, not all analog is equal. Think about it. Do you really want the RIAA involved with your prostate exam? Aren't they deep enough already?

Somehow, I just knew the RIAA was involved in prostate health. Jamming things up people's asses seems like second nature to them.


I only twisted their history just a little bit. Engineering standards (especially eq standards) really is the original mandate. Without them, it was difficult to play records from one company on players from another without the stylus literally jumping out of the groove. The intrusive monstrosity that we know today grew out of something with not only good intentions, but a pretty good implementation of those intentions. Then it got weird.
 
2012-02-16 07:03:04 PM  

GhostFish: If that's the case, then how is this bullshiat about anything other than employers simply trying to control the freedom of their employees?


Here's a little hint. It's not the employers. It's the RC church and a handful of fundie legislators. The employers and the insurance companies are fine with this, for the most part.
 
2012-02-16 07:04:55 PM  

colon_pow: i have a high deductible plan, so i do pay for that sort of thing.


oh well, ok then.
 
2012-02-16 07:09:08 PM  
I'm pretty sure the only reason conservatives are anti-contraception is the fact that altarboys can't get pregnant.
 
2012-02-16 07:15:57 PM  
Huh, I wonder if that's the reason that insurance companies don't have to pay for contraception but are forced by law to cover Viagra and cockpumps?
 
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