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(The Nation)   Republican panelists at the House contraception hearing were all men. Some women seem to have a problem with this   (thenation.com) divider line 474
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2012-02-16 01:38:00 PM
Vasectomies for everyone!

(gulp!)
 
2012-02-16 01:38:06 PM
It is inconceivable to me that you believe tomorrow's hearing has no bearing on the reproductive rights of women. This Committee commits a massive injustice by trying to pretend that the views of millions of women across this country are meaningless, worthless, or irrelevant to this debate.

Look, sugartits, sit down and listen. This isn't about women's reproductive "rights." It's about Obama's war on religion in general and on Christianity specifically. He wants to use U.S. law to fight religious doctrine, a clear violation of the separation of church and state. The panel consisted of religious leaders because those are the people who are supposed to make these decisions.
 
2012-02-16 01:38:07 PM
The GOP's proposed amendment would allow any employer to impose Sharia Law as related to health insurance on any employee, regardless of the employee's religion.
 
2012-02-16 01:40:04 PM

IXI Jim IXI: Vasectomies for everyone!

(gulp!)


Is that from the Oprah episode that never aired?
 
2012-02-16 01:40:12 PM
Why would you be a republican if you were a woman, that is your first problem.
 
2012-02-16 01:40:55 PM
Why would women be there, the committee already had plans to go out for dinner. No need to tell the womenfolk what they wanted to be prepared for them.

Besides, it's not like republican men are interested in sex with women anyhow.
 
2012-02-16 01:41:06 PM
Why would women be on the panel?
 
2012-02-16 01:41:27 PM
Well, duh... The GOP hates women.
 
2012-02-16 01:41:39 PM
This morning, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is holding a hearing titled "Lines Crossed: Separation of Church and State. Has the Obama Administration Trampled on Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Conscience?" The topic, as you might guess, is the recent administration decision to mandate birth control coverage.

Well it's nice to know the noble congressmen taking an objective view going into their "hearings".

timujin
This isn't about women's reproductive "rights." It's about Obama's war on religion in general and on Christianity specifically

You can't possibly believe something this stupid, so I'll go ahead and call "troll".
 
2012-02-16 01:42:15 PM
It still boggles my mind that this is the issue the Republicans are trying to turn into the culture war wedge issue.

Access to birth control, which is broadly popular and completely uncontroversial among pretty much every group of Americans (outside of a handful of out-of-touch bishops and evangelicals).

"Do you support or oppose a recent federal requirement that private health insurance plans cover the full cost of birth control for their female patients?"

Overall: 66% support vs. 26% opposed

Republicans support it by 50-44.
Independents support it by 64-26.
Moderates support it by 68-22.
Women support it by 72-20.
Catholics support it by 67-25.
Weekly Churchgoing Catholics support it by 48-43.


The GOP has picked a losing battle, and the harder they push on this, the bigger the backlash from moderates is going to be. This is going to backfire on them in a huge way.
 
2012-02-16 01:42:40 PM

palelizard: Why would women be on the panel?


Better if they're on the pill.
 
2012-02-16 01:43:01 PM
When we have a hearing on turkey pot pies, we'll let you know, Toots.
 
2012-02-16 01:43:16 PM
Some broads seem to have a problem with this

Who farkin' cares?
 
2012-02-16 01:43:43 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

NOT a "How-to" book, dammit!
 
2012-02-16 01:43:59 PM

pacified: The GOP's proposed amendment would allow any employer to impose Sharia Law as related to health insurance on any employee, regardless of the employee's religion.


Well yes. You see, religious freedom as defined by the GOP is about older white guys who are far removed from your personal experiences making decisions based on what they deem to be moral, not as the L-L-L would have you believe, about you personally having the right to worship (or not) as you see fit. That's actually a war on religion, and leads us down a path of secularism plus Shariah, where older brown guys who are far removed from your personal experiences are making decisions based on what they deem to be moral. All because the gays refuse to condemn Islam and women fornicate for pleasure.
 
2012-02-16 01:44:28 PM
What's fun is the Evangelicals support this move, the Catholics do not. So what are these Catholics doing? I think they are hoping to increase their church attendance by maybe picking of Evangelicals to become Catholics. Is that even possible?

Also, how many men on that panel raped a boy?
 
2012-02-16 01:44:29 PM

I_Am_Weasel: IXI Jim IXI: Vasectomies for everyone!

(gulp!)

Is that from the Oprah episode that never aired?


"Look under your seat with the strange hole in the bottom!!"
 
2012-02-16 01:44:55 PM

pacified: The GOP's proposed amendment would allow any employer to impose Sharia Law as related to health insurance on any employee, regardless of the employee's religion.


I believe they're calling it "Ultra Red White and Blue Freedom Law" though
 
2012-02-16 01:45:27 PM
The five-person, all-male panel consists of a Roman Catholic Bishop, a Lutheran Reverend, a rabbi and two professors.

Let's just tell them to shove a cork in it, and call it a day. So, I hear you Washington guys call your altar boys "pages."
 
2012-02-16 01:45:40 PM
I have a tip for those women.
 
2012-02-16 01:45:44 PM

Doc Daneeka: The GOP has picked a losing battle, and the harder they push on this, the bigger the backlash from moderates is going to be. This is going to backfire on them in a huge way.


You think that now, but wait until the GOP brings back the depravity of married couples on TV sleeping in the same bed. THAT's what tips this into a winner of a plan.
 
2012-02-16 01:46:32 PM

Headso: Why would you be a republican if you were a woman, that is your first problem.


It's strange. But I think a lot of people spew platitudes about how things should be, right up until that issue hits them. Then they flip. But what I see a lot of is that they may flip and act the other direction while at the same time saying the exact same thing they've been preaching.

Hypocrisy? Yes. But they can't see that.
 
2012-02-16 01:46:48 PM

patrick767: This morning, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is holding a hearing titled "Lines Crossed: Separation of Church and State. Has the Obama Administration Trampled on Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Conscience?" The topic, as you might guess, is the recent administration decision to mandate birth control coverage.

Well it's nice to know the noble congressmen taking an objective view going into their "hearings".


They're just asking questions!
 
2012-02-16 01:47:01 PM

timujin: The panel consisted of religious leaders men because those are the people who are supposed to make these decisions.

 
2012-02-16 01:47:06 PM

pacified: What's fun is the Evangelicals support this move, the Catholics do not.


Actually, pretty much everyone (including Catholics) support this, except for Evangelicals.

publicreligion.org
 
2012-02-16 01:47:22 PM
Christian women are chattel, it says so right there in the Bible
 
2012-02-16 01:47:56 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x305]

NOT a "How-to" good book, dammit!


FTFAccuracy
 
2012-02-16 01:47:59 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: palelizard: Why would women be on the panel?

Better if they're on the pill.


Naw, women always forget to take their pills. They aren't exactly bright, bless their hearts. Unless they're just "forgetting", but usually you've got warning for that. She'll say something like "Why haven't you put a ring on it yet?" and that night she'll say "Of course I remembered to take my pill, sweetie, I'm not dumb" and the next thing you know... boom, rug rat central.

It's best to just wear a jimmy cap tight.
 
2012-02-16 01:48:04 PM

Doc Daneeka: pacified: What's fun is the Evangelicals support this move, the Catholics do not.

Actually, pretty much everyone (including Catholics) support this, except for Evangelicals.

[publicreligion.org image 640x395]


WTF is the problem with white people?
 
2012-02-16 01:48:12 PM

patrick767: This morning, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is holding a hearing titled "Lines Crossed: Separation of Church and State. Has the Obama Administration Trampled on Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Conscience?" The topic, as you might guess, is the recent administration decision to mandate birth control coverage.

Well it's nice to know the noble congressmen taking an objective view going into their "hearings".

timujin
This isn't about women's reproductive "rights." It's about Obama's war on religion in general and on Christianity specifically

You can't possibly believe something this stupid, so I'll go ahead and call "troll".


shhh, I'm working here.



/look, I rarely troll, but this is such a stupid situation I couldn't help it.
 
2012-02-16 01:49:05 PM
Representative Elijah Cummings: A hearing stacked with last-minute witnesses who offer no competing views only contributes to the perception that our Committee is fostering a circus-like atmosphere intended to further politicize this debate.

Elijah, you should know better. You've been in congress since 1996. Your colleagues in the House have called their hearing "Lines Crossed: Separation of Church and State. Has the Obama Administration Trampled on Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Conscience?" Why the flying fark would you expect these misogynistic assholes to allow competing views?

The sooner you realize that the GOP congress is dominated by despicable pieces of shiat who don't give two shiats about anyone but themselves and their wealthy friends in business, the less devastating that realization will be for you.
 
2012-02-16 01:49:12 PM

Headso: Why would you be a republican if you were a woman, that is your first problem.


Because they know whats good for them. Just like when we tell them to shut up and make us a turkey pot pie!
 
2012-02-16 01:49:33 PM

BSABSVR: Doc Daneeka: The GOP has picked a losing battle, and the harder they push on this, the bigger the backlash from moderates is going to be. This is going to backfire on them in a huge way.

You think that now, but wait until the GOP brings back the depravity of married couples on TV sleeping in the same bed. THAT's what tips this into a winner of a plan.


Pretty much. Social Conservatives are trying to re-fight a culture war battle that they lost 50 years ago.

Contraception hasn't been controversial to the general public since the 60s, for crying out loud.
 
2012-02-16 01:50:20 PM

imontheinternet: The five-person, all-male panel consists of a Roman Catholic Bishop, a Lutheran Reverend, a rabbi and two professors.


Ugh. They should stick to walking into bars together.
 
2012-02-16 01:50:46 PM
I love it! The GOP is giving Obama and the Democrats so much ammunition for this Fall. If the Presidential election is not a landslide for Obama then the Democrats are truly incompetent.

Keep it coming Republicans. Please continue to be honest about what you really think about most of us Americans.
 
2012-02-16 01:51:09 PM
Serious miscalculation here. This is a losing issue that everyone but the most mentally retarded agrees on, and stirring up the fundies at this point in the electoral process only increases the chances that the GOP is going to Santorum all over itself.
 
2012-02-16 01:52:01 PM
Catholic Charities USA receives 67 percent of its funding from the government. (new window, PDF, WTF)
 
2012-02-16 01:52:08 PM
I'm surprised there weren't any women there. Who else would you smack on the ass and tell to, "Freshen up this scotch, toots."
 
2012-02-16 01:52:18 PM
There are no women on the panel because the womenfolk are busy at home with a gaggle of kids, cleaning the house, cooking for their man, keeping themselves all pretty and smelling flowery in order to be available for his 'needs', while barefoot and pregnant.
 
2012-02-16 01:52:59 PM
You seem to think this is about women. It isn't. They say it's about the War on Christianity. It isn't really that either. In reality it's just another arm of the "liberals and minorities are oppressing you!" campaign that social conservatives have been waging for years since they realized that most people didn't buy their bullshiat. The actual issue or people involved are irrelevant. The fact that Catholics and women in general are fine with the new rules doesn't matter because they aren't the audience. This panel is for these conservative politicians to stand up and say that they will protect the old, scared bigots from the scary new world in exchange for their vote.

Why would a woman, who actually is interested in the issue, be involved in that?
 
2012-02-16 01:53:16 PM
Is Obama giving them a choice? Yes. Pay for it or get fined. Got a problem with it, here is your jail cell.

He is taking away freedom of choice.
 
2012-02-16 01:53:21 PM

Headso: Why would you be a republican if you were a woman, that is your first problem.


See, I've been thinking about the converse of that very idea. Conservatives assign higher status to white men, while liberals maintain that everyone should be pretty much equal.

I've always been pretty liberal. But it suddenly occurred to me, watching the argument for allowing women rights to their own bodies that they've had for generations: Conservative white guys can just, like, DO THAT. And get away with it.

"Bam! You're oppressed, 'cause white men know better! Don't believe me? Just ask that other white man there, or our white male God."

That is so awesome!

And they even have non-white males following them! Groupies! That stay in the kitchen and make sammiches, or just wish they were white men, too!

So, as a white man, what incentive do have to NOT be conservative?
 
2012-02-16 01:53:40 PM
this is not about contraception.
but please continue being intentionally obtuse, it really looks good on you.
 
2012-02-16 01:54:14 PM
Doc Daneeka
Actually, pretty much everyone (including Catholics) support this, except for Evangelicals.

Yep, they are supporting something in the name of Catholics that most Catholics don't even want.

Evangelicals once again prove that they are the group most easily controlled by right wing propaganda.
 
2012-02-16 01:54:40 PM

Doc Daneeka: It still boggles my mind that this is the issue the Republicans are trying to turn into the culture war wedge issue.


No, quite the contrary - Obama is trying to turn this into a wedge issue. He would absolutely love to have this fight. The louder and longer it goes, the more support he gets and the more the voters are going to hate the GOP.

It boggles the mind that the Republicans took the bait. But not only did they take the bait, they went full derp.

Buh da buh ba baaa, I'm lovin it.
 
2012-02-16 01:55:15 PM

pacified: Doc Daneeka: pacified: What's fun is the Evangelicals support this move, the Catholics do not.

Actually, pretty much everyone (including Catholics) support this, except for Evangelicals.

[publicreligion.org image 640x395]

WTF is the problem with white people?


Well, white people are all like THIS, and black people are all like THIS, you know?
 
2012-02-16 01:55:23 PM

colon_pow: this is not about contraception.


...the same way the GOP isn't "for" gay sex
 
2012-02-16 01:56:02 PM
www.thenation.com
The five-person, all-male panel consists of a Roman Catholic Bishop, a Lutheran Reverend, a rabbi and two professors.

They've got a black and Jew on the panel? James G. Watt approves of that diversity.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-02-16 01:56:56 PM

Pincy: I love it! The GOP is giving Obama and the Democrats so much ammunition for this Fall. If the Presidential election is not a landslide for Obama then the Democrats Obama campaign is truly incompetent.


Democrats are incompetent. The way they blew their congressional majority firmly convinced me of that.

Obama's campaign machinery, on the other hand, is a sleeping giant.
 
2012-02-16 01:57:14 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: They've got a black and Jew on the panel? James G. Watt approves of that diversity.


Where's the cripple?
 
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