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2012-02-16 10:12:50 AM  
Well that was a pile of lies.
 
2012-02-16 10:15:28 AM  
1. Better but not nearly good enough.

2. The Big Spend was a Big Bust.

3. The recovery isn't "built to last," not with all that debt.

4. Obama is President (Didn't) Fix It.

5. Obama wants to "win the future"-with crony capitalism.


So in other words, feed people bullshiat until they believe it.
 
2012-02-16 10:15:45 AM  
No Huntsman = no win in November.
 
2012-02-16 10:24:35 AM  

i3.photobucket.com



I love their first one of better but not good enough, when the soft spots in the recovery over the past 18 months can be tracked directly against Republican brinkmanship with the economy.

As for the rest of it... well reality has a well documented liberal bias.
 
2012-02-16 10:43:49 AM  
They left out the most obvious one; Manipulate the price of gasoline via the oil futures market. If they could find some way to get the price of gas well above $4/gal maybe even close to $5/gal by late Summer they can kill off the recovery.

What's that? You say experts are predicting the price of gas will be approaching $5/gal by late Summer? Shocking!
 
2012-02-16 11:04:04 AM  
Utter tripe.

Lot of time until November, but I can't help but wonder if the real question is will the Democrats take the House back?
 
2012-02-16 11:14:49 AM  
After scanning every 7th word in the article, I pretty much read his plan as 'claim we can make the economy recover faster'.

I almost want the Republicans to gain enough control to do things the way they want to, watch the economy all but fall apart and then enjoy the bloodbath that takes place after that.
Almost. But I am not independently wealthy, and I need to keep the job I have, even in this weak economy.
 
2012-02-16 11:15:52 AM  

TwoHead: They left out the most obvious one; Manipulate the price of gasoline via the oil futures market. If they could find some way to get the price of gas well above $4/gal maybe even close to $5/gal by late Summer they can kill off the recovery.


Hence why the GOP is threatening to hold the strategic oil reserve hostage to attempt to force premature approval of the Keystone XL pipeline.
 
2012-02-16 11:42:41 AM  
It's an election year. This means of course they are going in balls deep. But do they think that Obama, one of the most disciplined candidates with one of the finest campaign teams I've ever seen...do they that just because he's the sitting President, that he's not going to absolutely destroy them with this?

He hasn't even begun to campaign yet. I mean, I haven't seen a single "re-elect Obama" ad or anything. He has done effectively nothing, and his poll numbers keep rising, just on what he is doing for his actual job WITHOUT boasting his laurels or whatever the phrase is.

Is this really their strategy? Continue to lie, in an election year, before they've even seen one actual response??
 
2012-02-16 11:49:33 AM  
Heh... Good luck with that.
 
2012-02-16 11:56:54 AM  
None of the GOP candidates will beat Obama. Won't happen.
 
2012-02-16 11:58:41 AM  

Elandriel: He hasn't even begun to campaign yet. I mean, I haven't seen a single "re-elect Obama" ad or anything. He has done effectively nothing, and his poll numbers keep rising, just on what he is doing for his actual job WITHOUT boasting his laurels or whatever the phrase is.


i've been saying this for months. never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
 
2012-02-16 12:04:02 PM  
DNRTFA, but from the url, I'm going to have to say


YOUR BLOG SUCKS




/slackers
 
2012-02-16 12:34:00 PM  
It's still mourning in America, at least the part outside of Washington and Wall Street. Obama's stagnant, declinist New Normal is unacceptable for the Last, Best Hope on Earth.

Are the capitalized parts the new catchphrases that tested well in focus groups?
 
2012-02-16 12:36:52 PM  
But but but if RON PAUL doesn't win we're all farked! We gotta get RON PAUL elected! We just gotta! Only RON PAUL can save everything!!
 
2012-02-16 12:37:48 PM  
They've already given up on the economy and have pivoted to social issues. Obama in a landslide.
 
2012-02-16 12:38:02 PM  
A whole lot of "Obama isn't doing enough!" *obama does something after much fussing from the R's* "OBAMA'S DOING TOO MUCH!"
 
2012-02-16 12:38:29 PM  
images.wikia.com

Why with the millions we win from the lawsuit, we can BUY the election, Pinky!
 
2012-02-16 12:40:20 PM  
Before RTFA: Invent a ludicrous counterfactual about how Obama has permanently weighed down the economy and that we'd be adding a million jobs a month if Republicans were in charge.

After RTFA: I'd say my call fits numbers 1-4 to a T, and number 5 is an idiotic slam by people who engage in just as much crony capitalism as Obama does.
 
2012-02-16 12:44:55 PM  
The Big Spend was a Big Bust. Obama's policies don't deserve much, if any, credit for the weakest economic recovery since the Great Depression

Disagrees:
images.politico.com
 
2012-02-16 12:44:55 PM  
They forgot the obvious one: STOP TALKING. David Axelrod probably already has a script set up that whenever a Republican offical says anything, the sound bite is immediately copied into an ever-growing YouTube Campaign video. Hell, he doesn't even have to worry about editing.

As for the article itself?

img828.imageshack.us
 
2012-02-16 12:45:20 PM  

make me some tea: So in other words, feed people bullshiat until they believe it.


It's been working for three decades. Why stop now?
 
2012-02-16 12:45:41 PM  
just because his approval rates are around 48% doesn't mean the candidate for the republicans is automatically 52%
I know, shocking.
 
2012-02-16 12:45:42 PM  
Did I miss something? They have been saying those things for 2 years already.
 
2012-02-16 12:45:42 PM  
The Congressional Republicans are giving up. You can tell by the payroll tax cut that they know they can't do anything right now except see what happens in December. The way everything is headed, Obama will have another term and the Democrats may see some drastic gains in either House simply because the Teabaggers went from zero to annoying within weeks of gaining some power.

The presidential primary is turning into another circular firing squad, and the chosen candidate is being soundly rejected by the Base. These are the dark times for the Republican Party, and it's easy to see what most of them are really doing now: quietly sounding out some positions that require no work, and figuring out how they can either capitalize on this confusion (hence Gingrich and Santorum still being in this race) or how they can go independent. At this point, the Republican label is toxic and only being coveted by the dying rural bigots who will provide an excellent 'them' to fight against for the next four years.
 
2012-02-16 12:45:42 PM  

GoodyearPimp: A whole lot of "Obama isn't doing enough!" *obama does something after much fussing from the R's* "OBAMA'S DOING TOO MUCH!"


I had that conversation with a really smart coworker. I knew he leaned Republican but didn't know just how far it went, but he started complaining that Obama sits around doing nothing but taking vacations while America's problems get worse. I pointed out that most Republicans seem upset at how much money he's been spending on huge programs like the Reocvery Act, Health Insurance Reform, implementation of the auto bailout and Cash for Clunkers, extension of unemployment benefits, etc. and he seemed genuinely confused. He accepted that those were all massive programs and bad ideas. I think he was trying to say that he thinks Obama isn't doing enough of he right things (hah, Right, nice pun me) for the country or something?

I mean, essentially, the economy is going in the right direction, health insurance coverage has expanded, the american auto industry is on the rise, the wars overseas are drawing down... it seems to me like that the Obama administration has undertaken some pretty dramatic policy reform in the last three years and met with results that are good for America.

the Republican argument these days seems to be a tacit "He's good, but he's not good enough." So, sure, run on that I guess...
 
2012-02-16 12:46:08 PM  
1. Better but not nearly good enough. He's saying that the R's could try to make Americans think about more robust recoveries in the past. The problem is, if you get them thinking about the past, they'll remember that most of this started under Bush.

2. The Big Spend was a Big Bust. Some of the R candidates were in favor of the stimuli.

3. The recovery isn't "built to last," not with all that debt. Only Ron Paul has made serious proposals to reduce spending and therefore reduce debt long-term.

4. Obama is President (Didn't) Fix It. Takes two to tango. Everyone knows that Obama and Congress haven't agreed on much. If you emphasize that things haven't gotten done, many people (though certainly not all) will blame Congress for that. So you will gain some votes and lose some.

5. Obama wants to "win the future"-with crony capitalism. And Mitt/Newt/Rick don't? Seriously?!?
 
2012-02-16 12:46:41 PM  
If Obama wins in November, I want to see McTurtle resign, since he didn't live up to his promise of making Obama a one term president

it's that what congress is supposed to do, make the other guy doesn't win.
 
2012-02-16 12:46:41 PM  

YOUR BLOG SUCKS!



/not clicking that shiat
 
2012-02-16 12:47:41 PM  

error 303: GoodyearPimp: A whole lot of "Obama isn't doing enough!" *obama does something after much fussing from the R's* "OBAMA'S DOING TOO MUCH!"

I had that conversation with a really smart coworker. I knew he leaned Republican but didn't know just how far it went, but he started complaining that Obama sits around doing nothing but taking vacations while America's problems get worse. I pointed out that most Republicans seem upset at how much money he's been spending on huge programs like the Reocvery Act, Health Insurance Reform, implementation of the auto bailout and Cash for Clunkers, extension of unemployment benefits, etc. and he seemed genuinely confused. He accepted that those were all massive programs and bad ideas. I think he was trying to say that he thinks Obama isn't doing enough of he right things (hah, Right, nice pun me) for the country or something?

I mean, essentially, the economy is going in the right direction, health insurance coverage has expanded, the american auto industry is on the rise, the wars overseas are drawing down... it seems to me like that the Obama administration has undertaken some pretty dramatic policy reform in the last three years and met with results that are good for America.

the Republican argument these days seems to be a tacit "He's good, but he's not good enough." So, sure, run on that I guess...


The sad thing about that argument is that it still brings to light how awful and out of touch the Republican candidates are. Would you have a possible Clinton second term or another Dubya in office? Because that's not a choice at all, not in the slightest.
 
2012-02-16 12:47:57 PM  

basemetal: None of the GOP candidates will beat Obama. Won't happen.


The GOP field really was a bunch of sacrificial lambs this year, wasn't it? Former Speaker of the House, former Governor of MA, former Senator from PA... the only active politicians that dared to run were Redneck Perry and RON PAUL. No one in Washington wanted to go against the Obama campaign, so the party just threw the doors open for all of the wackaloons to thin the field for 2016.

Candidate Obama pantsed John McCain, and despite his horrible pick for VP and the fact that he sold his soul to get the nomination, McCain is more intelligent, a better statesmen, a more skilled debater, and a more respectable human being than every one of the 2012 candidates.

Incumbent Obama is going to trash Good Hair and/or Frothy Mixture so bad the GOP may concede in October.
 
2012-02-16 12:48:12 PM  
5. Obama wants to "win the future"-with crony capitalism. It was government meddling in the private sector that created the housing bubble and financial crisis. But rather than learn that lesson, Team Obama wants to double down on "state capitalism," whether through new policies to try and reinflate the housing market or venture socialism/industrial policy in the "clean energy" sector.


And by "meddling" we mean "not meddling enough".

BTW: Chocolate rations are going up, despite the Eastasian embargo!
 
2012-02-16 12:49:22 PM  
Go ahead GOP, make your case. Tell the American people how Obama is strengthening the economy and lowering unemployment JUST so he can get reelected, because he's a big mean selfish partisan poopie head.

I'm sure that will fly.
 
2012-02-16 12:51:04 PM  

Slives: I almost want the Republicans to gain enough control to do things the way they want to, watch the economy all but fall apart and then enjoy the bloodbath that takes place after that.


We did that from 2000-2006. We are still recovering. Let's not do it again, if you please.

/thanks
 
2012-02-16 12:51:05 PM  

make me some tea: So in other words, feed people bullshiat until they believe it.


Hope and change...
 
2012-02-16 12:54:19 PM  

GentDirkly: Obama wants to "win the future"-with crony capitalism. And Mitt/Newt/Rick don't? Seriously?!?


You don't get it. "Crony Capitalism" means involving labor unions interests in policy decisions, which as we all know is socialism. Involving global corporations and their CEOs in policy decisions is perfectly acceptable and in fact what American Jesus would have wanted.

godsjester.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-02-16 12:54:42 PM  
a slowly falling unemployment rate of 8.0 percent by year's end

Ignoring for a moment the quality, or lack thereof, of the blog, am I the only one who finds this a bit pessimistic? I mean, I realize that the 'official' UE rate will struggle to come down as more people rejoin the search for jobs, but cripes, it's only February. I was thinking it could dip below 8 before the election.
 
2012-02-16 12:55:05 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: At this point, the Republican label is toxic and only being coveted by the dying rural bigots who will provide an excellent 'them' to fight against for the next four years.


That's what was said before the 2010 mid term elections when Republicans took the House, made gains in the Senate and had historical pickups in Gubernatorial and State Legislature elections.
 
2012-02-16 12:55:47 PM  
In the summer of 1933, a nice old gentleman wearing a silk hat fell off the end of a pier. He was unable to swim. A friend ran down the pier, dived overboard and pulled him out; but the silk hat floated off with the tide. After the old gentleman had been revived, he was effusive in his thanks. He praised his friend for saving his life. Today, three years later, the old gentleman is berating his friend because the silk hat was lost.

- Franklin Delano Roosevelt
 
2012-02-16 12:55:58 PM  
That's not a list of "why the author thinks Obama will lose". That's a list of "why the author thinks Obama sucks".
 
2012-02-16 12:56:33 PM  

theknuckler_33: a slowly falling unemployment rate of 8.0 percent by year's end

Ignoring for a moment the quality, or lack thereof, of the blog, am I the only one who finds this a bit pessimistic? I mean, I realize that the 'official' UE rate will struggle to come down as more people rejoin the search for jobs, but cripes, it's only February. I was thinking it could dip below 8 before the election.



I think you underestimate the Republicans.
 
2012-02-16 12:57:54 PM  
Funny, because last I checked, the GOP has shifted their focus to social issues, for whatever farking reason.
 
2012-02-16 12:58:36 PM  
So basically...Ignorance. Nothing new here.
 
2012-02-16 12:59:08 PM  

soy_bomb: That's what was said before the 2010 mid term elections when Republicans took the House, made gains in the Senate and had historical pickups in Gubernatorial and State Legislature elections.


Democrats tend to remember that kind of lesson and learn from it.

Republicans tend to forget that kind of lesson and try to nominate Newt Gingrich.
 
2012-02-16 12:59:54 PM  
I didn't RTFA, but I know how the Republicans can win easily:

Use a brokered convention to nominate Sarah Palin and let her weave her sweet, sweet black magic over the GOP. Make sure Rick Santorum gets the VP nod. Continue to hammer Obama on his weak points: his war on religion via the new contraception rules, his fake birth certificate, and his continued insistence on being black. Be sure to not develop any rational ideas or new thoughts on why Obama should not be re-elected. By early November the sheer holy power of Palin-Santorum ticket will cause Jesus to return and officially declare Obama the anti-Christ. At that point Obama and all liberals, uppity intellectuals, Iranians, global warming and socialism will be thrown into the lake of fire. Jesus will be so awed by Palin-Santorum that he uses his powers over creation to fuse them into one entity: PalTorum. PalTorum will then rule the Earth for 10,000 years. At the 5,000 year mark PalTorum will see that their work is done early and quit, but no one will care due to the conservative paradise that was created during their benevolent rule.
 
2012-02-16 01:00:24 PM  
FTFA:
State capitalists fear Schumpeterian creative destruction because they cannot control it or squeeze campaign contributions from it.

Economic freedom, on the other hand, creates prosperity by unleashing the imagination of the individual and rewarding his or her effort. As analyst Ian Bremmer puts it, "Creative destruction invests liberal capitalism with a self-regenerating dynamism. ... Human beings value opportunities to create prosperity for themselves and their families, and free markets have proven time and again that they can empower virtually anyone."


FTFW:
Creative destruction is a term originally derived from Marxist economic theory which refers to the linked processes of the accumulation and annihilation of wealth under capitalism.
...
In Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy, [Joseph Schumpeter] developed the concept out of a careful reading of Marx's thought...arguing that the creative-destructive forces unleashed by capitalism would eventually lead to its demise as a system.


I love that capitalists have taken a principle of their system that people on the outside see as one of its greatest weaknesses and turned it into "self-regenerating dynamism". Karl Rove would be proud, or possibly stole their tactic.
 
2012-02-16 01:01:12 PM  

theknuckler_33: a slowly falling unemployment rate of 8.0 percent by year's end

Ignoring for a moment the quality, or lack thereof, of the blog, am I the only one who finds this a bit pessimistic? I mean, I realize that the 'official' UE rate will struggle to come down as more people rejoin the search for jobs, but cripes, it's only February. I was thinking it could dip below 8 before the election.


I think it definitely could be. New claims fell again this week to the lowest level since before Obama.
 
2012-02-16 01:01:43 PM  

soy_bomb: Guntram Shatterhand: At this point, the Republican label is toxic and only being coveted by the dying rural bigots who will provide an excellent 'them' to fight against for the next four years.

That's what was said before the 2010 mid term elections when Republicans took the House, made gains in the Senate and had historical pickups in Gubernatorial and State Legislature elections.


and elected the most unpopular Congress in US history in the process.
 
2012-02-16 01:01:54 PM  

theknuckler_33: am I the only one who finds this a bit pessimistic


It's almost like he's a partisan hack, projecting the worst case scenario that will help his team in the election. Almost.
 
2012-02-16 01:02:36 PM  

Zerochance: Funny, because last I checked, the GOP has shifted their focus to social issues, for whatever farking reason.


yup, it's called flailing. The internal polling has come back and it's headless chicken time.
 
2012-02-16 01:02:39 PM  
Came here for Pinky and the Brain quotes, leaving dissatisfied.

/Props to evilmrsock for trying to get it going
//Let the balloon people free!!
 
2012-02-16 01:04:16 PM  

Zerochance: Funny, because last I checked, the GOP has shifted their focus to social issues, for whatever farking reason.


Was "inexplicably make birth control a big issue" not on the list?
 
2012-02-16 01:04:47 PM  

blackminded: GentDirkly: Obama wants to "win the future"-with crony capitalism. And Mitt/Newt/Rick don't? Seriously?!?

You don't get it. "Crony Capitalism" means involving labor unions interests in policy decisions, which as we all know is socialism. Involving global corporations and their CEOs in policy decisions is perfectly acceptable and in fact what American Jesus would have wanted.


Don't forget, they have bad companies, like green energy companies and GE, involved. Whereas the Republicans will only involve good companies, like Enron and Haliburton.
 
2012-02-16 01:05:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I think it definitely could be. New claims fell again this week to the lowest level since before Obama.


As long as the labor force participation rate continues to drop as it has for the last three years, I completely agree.
 
2012-02-16 01:07:23 PM  
I find it amazing that the author doesn't think the current strategy of screwing with birth control, limiting access to abortion at every chance, holding the debt ceiling hostage and defending tax cuts for the rich aren't enough to win the election for the Republicans. I mean, they tried defunding Sesame Street, for crying out loud!

Hello President Gingrich, good bye school janitors!
 
2012-02-16 01:07:50 PM  
i.usatoday.net
Last seen buying rope futures.
 
2012-02-16 01:08:02 PM  

DeltaPunch: theknuckler_33: am I the only one who finds this a bit pessimistic

It's almost like he's a partisan hack, projecting the worst case scenario that will help his team in the election. Almost.


Well, I was trying not to go there and, in his defense, he did link to a report that shows even the white house economists are predicting the same thing. So, I didn't take that number (or the timing of it) as political hackery.
 
2012-02-16 01:08:27 PM  
GOP: "Things are improving. We can put a stop to that.!"
 
2012-02-16 01:11:01 PM  

someonelse: Zerochance: Funny, because last I checked, the GOP has shifted their focus to social issues, for whatever farking reason.

Was "inexplicably make birth control a big issue" not on the list?


Nope, and I'll be goddamned if that's not a losing one.
 
2012-02-16 01:11:15 PM  

Bag of Hammers: Zerochance: Funny, because last I checked, the GOP has shifted their focus to social issues, for whatever farking reason.

yup, it's called flailing. The internal polling has come back and it's headless chicken time.


They're going for the old people vote. They can't win on economy because people are getting back to work. They can't win on foreign policy because people are sick of big wars and Obama has gone Terminator style with drone attacks. They can't win on demographics because they've alienated both minorities and most everyone under 35.

The hope is that enough old people get scared over the moral decay of the country that the boomers and nursing homes have record turnout, while the rest of the country has a low turnout.

It won't work, but it's the best they got.
 
2012-02-16 01:12:11 PM  

soy_bomb: As long as the labor force participation rate continues to drop as it has for the last three years, I completely agree.


Which, of course, didn't matter prior to January, 2009...
 
2012-02-16 01:13:31 PM  

King Something: [i.usatoday.net image 490x368]
Last seen buying rope futures.


That's a hell of a trollface.
 
2012-02-16 01:17:27 PM  

Jubeebee: King Something: [i.usatoday.net image 490x368]
Last seen buying rope futures.

That's a hell of a trollface.


He's a hell of a troll.
 
2012-02-16 01:21:36 PM  
"Keeps improving"?

pjmedia.com
 
2012-02-16 01:21:44 PM  

IXI Jim IXI: soy_bomb: As long as the labor force participation rate continues to drop as it has for the last three years, I completely agree.

Which, of course, didn't matter prior to January, 2009...


June 2003: Unemployment rate - 6.3%
Labor participation rate: 66.5
S&P 500: ~950

December 2003: Unemployment rate - 5.7%
Labor participation rate: 65.9
S&P 500: ~1110

There isn't anyone in their right mind that would look at this time frame during GWB's first terms and suggest that the employment situation (and the greater economy) was not improving... but there's that pesky Labor participation rate dropping by exactly the same amount as the unemployment rate.

Maybe, just maybe the relationship between labor participation rate and unemployment rate isn't so direct. But that would require critical thought and, like you said, being historically aware of that labor participation rate prior to about 3 months ago.
 
2012-02-16 01:23:37 PM  
Crony capitalism? I thought he was a socialist?
 
2012-02-16 01:25:08 PM  

Jubeebee: Bag of Hammers: Zerochance: Funny, because last I checked, the GOP has shifted their focus to social issues, for whatever farking reason.

yup, it's called flailing. The internal polling has come back and it's headless chicken time.

They're going for the old people vote. They can't win on economy because people are getting back to work. They can't win on foreign policy because people are sick of big wars and Obama has gone Terminator style with drone attacks. They can't win on demographics because they've alienated both minorities and most everyone under 35.

The hope is that enough old people get scared over the moral decay of the country that the boomers and nursing homes have record turnout, while the rest of the country has a low turnout.

, it won't work, but it's the best they got.


Absolutely right, it won't work. The Boomers were the first generation to openly enjoy farking for pleasure, right? Or at least the first to widely acknowledge and be open about sex. Have to imagine there are more than a few who are turned off by the whole War On Farking currently in play by the GOP.
 
2012-02-16 01:26:02 PM  

Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

[pjmedia.com image 600x368]


"Republican Study Committee"

Yeah, that shiat ain't biased at all...
 
2012-02-16 01:26:37 PM  

Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

[pjmedia.com image 600x368]


You should check out that chart from 2001 to 2008.
 
2012-02-16 01:27:02 PM  
They'll just spin it how Bush's recovery was very long-termed and just kicked in to stop Fartbongo's somehow immediate economic suckage.
 
2012-02-16 01:27:30 PM  

theknuckler_33:
Maybe, just maybe the relationship between labor participation rate and unemployment rate isn't so direct. But that would require critical thought and, like you said, being historically aware of that labor participation rate prior to about 3 months ago.


The idea of looking at how many people were in the workforce was pretty much pooh-poohed by most of the Republicans on here until the metric was introduced to the world in Mid-January, 2009. :-D
 
2012-02-16 01:28:14 PM  
Worked in the QA lab at a company that makes non-dairy creamer. I understand it, I just won't ever let it near my body again.
 
2012-02-16 01:28:38 PM  

fatimcgee: Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

[pjmedia.com image 600x368]

"Republican Study Committee"

Yeah, that shiat ain't biased at all...


Odd that they didn't use the unemployment rate or jobs created as a metric... I wonder why...
 
2012-02-16 01:29:35 PM  

soy_bomb: As long as the labor force participation rate continues to drop as it has for the last three years, I completely agree.


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPNOTgSHQvFx3lVMznnAL0pb8wv9 3 Mu9n9nYJ4ey8AFEcoAh3Qxw
 
2012-02-16 01:29:57 PM  

Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

[pjmedia.com image 600x368]


What's the labor participation rate going to be when President Santorum get's all the women back in the kitchen making sammichs where they belong?
 
2012-02-16 01:30:26 PM  
Well, you certainly can't question the impeccable, non partisan research of a group called "The Republican Study Committee"...

I found their group photo for the brochure:

littleemmo.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-02-16 01:30:51 PM  
Sigh, not a good day for me, let me try that again.

soy_bomb: As long as the labor force participation rate continues to drop as it has for the last three years, I completely agree.

t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-02-16 01:32:11 PM  

Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

[pjmedia.com image 600x368]


Well, all you need to do is to search to find a statistic that looks bad and you can make your case.

I wonder, however, what the country's rapidly aging population is doing to those workforce participation numbers.
 
2012-02-16 01:33:06 PM  

keylock71: Well, you certainly can't question the impeccable, non partisan research of a group called "The Republican Study Committee"...


Funny how it's the same data as the BLS. With a couple of time-points that give us a little perspective.

Or is the BLS a tool for the vast right wing conspiracy too?
 
2012-02-16 01:34:12 PM  

Zerochance: Funny, because last I checked, the GOP has shifted their focus to social issues, for whatever farking reason.


Because they're losing on every other issue that they have.

Killing terrorists? Losing that fight.
Cutting taxes on the middle class? Losing.
Deportation of illegals? Losing.
The economy? Losing. (Romney said that under a Republican, the recovery would be faster, tacitly admitting that a recovery is indeed underway. Just not "fast enough" I guess)
Creating jobs? Losing.
Gun control? Restrictions have loosened under Obama. (They'll never admit that, though)

What do they have left? Birth control? Obama trolled them on that one.

So....gays, I guess. Church-related issues are all they have left. That's why Santorum is surging from behind right now.
 
2012-02-16 01:34:27 PM  
How Republicans can win even if the economy keeps improving

By James Pethokoukis


If he admits the economy is improving, why would he want to stop it?
 
2012-02-16 01:35:49 PM  
Came for the excellent Pinky and the Brain reference in the headline, subby. +1
 
2012-02-16 01:37:17 PM  
GOP: America, if we can't have you than no one can!
 
2012-02-16 01:37:27 PM  

Raharu: How Republicans can win even if the economy keeps improving

By James Pethokoukis

If he admits the economy is improving, why would he want to stop it?


Because socialism.
 
2012-02-16 01:37:52 PM  

Skleenar: Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

[pjmedia.com image 600x368]

Well, all you need to do is to search to find a statistic that looks bad and you can make your case.

I wonder, however, what the country's rapidly aging population is doing to those workforce participation numbers.


Are we aging more rapidly since 2008? Just curious. Or, as appears more likely, are you grasping at straws?
 
2012-02-16 01:38:48 PM  

Skleenar: Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

[pjmedia.com image 600x368]

Well, all you need to do is to search to find a statistic that looks bad and you can make your case.

I wonder, however, what the country's rapidly aging population is doing to those workforce participation numbers.


Look at the employment/population ratio for ages 25-54. It was 80% before the recession, dropped to 75% in mid-2009, hovered there since, perked up a little bit in late 2011.

That's consistent with actual employment still being pretty sucky, but starting to improve.
 
2012-02-16 01:40:29 PM  

Bag of Hammers: GOP: America, if we can't have you than no one can!


And there goes the rest of my day (new window)
 
2012-02-16 01:41:30 PM  

djkutch: Utter tripe.

Lot of time until November, but I can't help but wonder if the real question is will the Democrats take the House back?


No - and Obama will lose as well (if the Republicans can stop their infighting and support/nominate Romney).

/book it
 
2012-02-16 01:42:03 PM  

Garet Garrett: Skleenar: Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

[pjmedia.com image 600x368]

Well, all you need to do is to search to find a statistic that looks bad and you can make your case.

I wonder, however, what the country's rapidly aging population is doing to those workforce participation numbers.

Are we aging more rapidly since 2008? Just curious. Or, as appears more likely, are you grasping at straws?


Yes. More people are reaching retirement age more quickly since 2008. Ever heard of the baby boom?
 
2012-02-16 01:42:32 PM  
Everyone knows how microwave ovens work, subby. A magnetron tube emits radio waves at the resonant frequency of water molecules, causing the water in the food to heat up.

/Non-dairy creamer, OTOH...
 
2012-02-16 01:45:47 PM  

theknuckler_33: Garet Garrett: theknuckler_33: You should check out that chart from 2001 to 2008.

Or, for those who prefer graphics,

Or, for those who prefer graphics with the date range I suggested:

[data.bls.gov image 600x300]

Just look at that participation rate plummet!


Jeepers, it went from 2/3 down to 2/3.
 
2012-02-16 01:46:58 PM  
names.whitepages.com
 
2012-02-16 01:47:39 PM  

Garet Garrett: Or is the BLS a tool for the vast right wing conspiracy too?


Nah, you're just a partisan clown, Bozo... But you keep banging those tiny little fists in impotent rage.

But remember, save some of that righteous indignation for November. You're gonna need it.
 
2012-02-16 01:49:20 PM  

theknuckler_33: Just look at that participation rate plummet!


You're throwing off the rhythm of the chicken farking.
 
2012-02-16 01:49:21 PM  

Geotpf: That's not a list of "why the author thinks Obama will lose". That's a list of "why the author thinks Obama sucks".


It's not even that. It's more a list of "trite strategies that might convince voters that Obama sucks".
 
2012-02-16 01:50:51 PM  

spiderpaz: Garet Garrett: Skleenar: Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

[pjmedia.com image 600x368]

Well, all you need to do is to search to find a statistic that looks bad and you can make your case.

I wonder, however, what the country's rapidly aging population is doing to those workforce participation numbers.

Are we aging more rapidly since 2008? Just curious. Or, as appears more likely, are you grasping at straws?

Yes. More people are reaching retirement age more quickly since 2008. Ever heard of the baby boom?


People are becoming 65 years old more quickly than they used to? How long does it take to become 65 nowadays?
 
2012-02-16 01:51:45 PM  

stebain: theknuckler_33: Garet Garrett: theknuckler_33: You should check out that chart from 2001 to 2008.

Or, for those who prefer graphics,

Or, for those who prefer graphics with the date range I suggested:

[data.bls.gov image 600x300]

Just look at that participation rate plummet!

Jeepers, it went from 2/3 down to 2/3.


And under Obama, it went down to... 2/3.
 
2012-02-16 01:52:51 PM  

theknuckler_33: Here's the labor force participation rate for the entire history the statistic has been kept:

[data.bls.gov image 600x300]

There were unemployment rates under 4 in the early 50's when the labor participation rate was far less than it is now.

[www.blogcdn.com image 294x240]


Let's git dem womins back in da kich-ens where days belong.

Good plan.
 
2012-02-16 01:53:30 PM  

theknuckler_33: Here's the labor force participation rate for the entire history the statistic has been kept:

[data.bls.gov image 600x300]

There were unemployment rates under 4 in the early 50's when the labor participation rate was far less than it is now.

[www.blogcdn.com image 294x240]


I assume the "can't explain that" is a joke, since it is readily explainable.
 
2012-02-16 01:53:38 PM  

stebain: theknuckler_33: Just look at that participation rate plummet!

Jeepers, it went from 2/3 down to 2/3.


Well, using thirds as our measuring stick, the closest fractions to describe the movement of the participation rate from '09 to now would be...

it went from 2/3 down to 2/3.

How about that!
 
2012-02-16 01:54:19 PM  

HeartBurnKid: stebain: theknuckler_33: Garet Garrett: theknuckler_33: You should check out that chart from 2001 to 2008.

Or, for those who prefer graphics,

Or, for those who prefer graphics with the date range I suggested:

[data.bls.gov image 600x300]

Just look at that participation rate plummet!

Jeepers, it went from 2/3 down to 2/3.

And under Obama, it went down to... 2/3.


I hope we are able to take the shock to the system when it whiplashes back up to 2/3.
 
2012-02-16 01:56:20 PM  

theknuckler_33: stebain: theknuckler_33: Just look at that participation rate plummet!

Jeepers, it went from 2/3 down to 2/3.

Well, using thirds as our measuring stick, the closest fractions to describe the movement of the participation rate from '09 to now would be...

it went from 2/3 down to 2/3.

How about that!


stebain: HeartBurnKid: stebain: theknuckler_33: Garet Garrett: theknuckler_33: You should check out that chart from 2001 to 2008.

Or, for those who prefer graphics,

Or, for those who prefer graphics with the date range I suggested:

[data.bls.gov image 600x300]

Just look at that participation rate plummet!

Jeepers, it went from 2/3 down to 2/3.

And under Obama, it went down to... 2/3.

I hope we are able to take the shock to the system when it whiplashes back up to 2/3.


Awesome. Will you now shut the fark up about Bush, forevermore?? Because by your yardsticks, nothing has changed in decades.
 
2012-02-16 01:56:46 PM  

Garet Garrett: theknuckler_33: Here's the labor force participation rate for the entire history the statistic has been kept:

[data.bls.gov image 600x300]

There were unemployment rates under 4 in the early 50's when the labor participation rate was far less than it is now.

[www.blogcdn.com image 294x240]

Let's git dem womins back in da kich-ens where days belong.

Good plan.


Either Rick Santorum or his wife would agree with that statement.

Also, a greater percentage of the population is reaching retirement age annually than has in the past. I know you knew that and we're being snarky in reading a statement as it was written and not as clearly intended - but I thought I'd point out the facts anyway.
 
2012-02-16 01:59:45 PM  

Rapmaster2000: It's still mourning in America, at least the part outside of Washington and Wall Street. Obama's stagnant, declinist New Normal is unacceptable for the Last, Best Hope on Earth.
Are the capitalized parts the new catchphrases that tested well in focus groups?


When did the US become Babylon5?

Last? Really? IS that because of the Mayan apocalypse, the Rapture or just that democracy is doomed to fail?
 
2012-02-16 02:01:27 PM  

Deneb81: Also, a greater percentage of the population is reaching retirement age annually than has in the past.


Yes, that's true. And it will be more true in the coming decade. But during the past decade, that's also been true, yet the overall labor participation rate has remained fairly steady. So merely increasing the percentage of 65-and-overs hasn't correllated with decreased labor force participation rates. So without something more, this is just pulling-it-out-of-your-keester argumentation.
 
2012-02-16 02:02:40 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: The Congressional Republicans are giving up. You can tell by the payroll tax cut that they know they can't do anything right now except see what happens in December. The way everything is headed, Obama will have another term and the Democrats may see some drastic gains in either House simply because the Teabaggers went from zero to annoying within weeks of gaining some power.

The presidential primary is turning into another circular firing squad, and the chosen candidate is being soundly rejected by the Base. These are the dark times for the Republican Party, and it's easy to see what most of them are really doing now: quietly sounding out some positions that require no work, and figuring out how they can either capitalize on this confusion (hence Gingrich and Santorum still being in this race) or how they can go independent. At this point, the Republican label is toxic and only being coveted by the dying rural bigots who will provide an excellent 'them' to fight against for the next four years.


Oh and let's pause to acknowledge that Obama made Boehner and especially the TEA Party wing of the House his utter biatch this week on the payroll tax cut. He got everyhting he wanted and they got NOTHING, not even a token nod to their "demand" to offset it with spending cuts
 
2012-02-16 02:03:07 PM  

Garet Garrett: Skleenar: Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

[pjmedia.com image 600x368]

Well, all you need to do is to search to find a statistic that looks bad and you can make your case.

I wonder, however, what the country's rapidly aging population is doing to those workforce participation numbers.

Are we aging more rapidly since 2008? Just curious. Or, as appears more likely, are you grasping at straws?


You can't be that stupid - I've just got to believe its trolling... please... please tell me you're trolling.
 
2012-02-16 02:03:32 PM  

Zerochance: Funny, because last I checked, the GOP has shifted their focus to social issues, for whatever farking reason.


Because the economy is improving and they can't run on that anymore. They certainly can't talk about foreign issues. So social issues is pretty much what they're left with.
 
2012-02-16 02:05:38 PM  

Garet Garrett: Awesome. Will you now shut the fark up about Bush, forevermore?? Because by your yardsticks, nothing has changed in decades.


Hi! No!
 
2012-02-16 02:06:18 PM  

Garet Garrett: spiderpaz: Garet Garrett: Skleenar: Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

[pjmedia.com image 600x368]

Well, all you need to do is to search to find a statistic that looks bad and you can make your case.

I wonder, however, what the country's rapidly aging population is doing to those workforce participation numbers.

Are we aging more rapidly since 2008? Just curious. Or, as appears more likely, are you grasping at straws?

Yes. More people are reaching retirement age more quickly since 2008. Ever heard of the baby boom?

People are becoming 65 years old more quickly than they used to? How long does it take to become 65 nowadays?


Are you not aware that population age density is not uniform? I'm guessing you didn't go far in math.
 
2012-02-16 02:07:18 PM  

patrick767: YOUR BLOG SUCKS!

/not clicking that shiat


Second
 
2012-02-16 02:07:40 PM  

moralpanic: Zerochance: Funny, because last I checked, the GOP has shifted their focus to social issues, for whatever farking reason.

Because the economy is improving and they can't run on that anymore. They certainly can't talk about foreign issues. So social issues is pretty much what they're left with.



It is a good fall back because social issue voters will not change their views in the face of facts. It makes them reliable.
 
2012-02-16 02:07:50 PM  

Garet Garrett: Deneb81: Also, a greater percentage of the population is reaching retirement age annually than has in the past.

Yes, that's true. And it will be more true in the coming decade. But during the past decade, that's also been true, yet the overall labor participation rate has remained fairly steady. So merely increasing the percentage of 65-and-overs hasn't correllated with decreased labor force participation rates. So without something more, this is just pulling-it-out-of-your-keester argumentation.


Wait... aren't you the guy who posted the graphic that... oh yea.

Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

pjmedia.com


What is your point exactly?
 
2012-02-16 02:07:51 PM  

Magorn: Oh and let's pause to acknowledge that Obama made Boehner and especially the TEA Party wing of the House his utter biatch this week on the payroll tax cut. He got everyhting he wanted and they got NOTHING, not even a token nod to their "demand" to offset it with spending cuts


Good thing, because the payroll tax cut was supposed to be a stimulus.

If you pay for it in the same year, resulting in no change to overall taxation/spending levels, it ain't much of a stimulus.

That undermined the ARRA too; State and local governments slashed their spending at the same time, resulting in little net increase in spending overall.
 
2012-02-16 02:08:17 PM  

Garet Garrett: Deneb81: Also, a greater percentage of the population is reaching retirement age annually than has in the past.

Yes, that's true. And it will be more true in the coming decade. But during the past decade, that's also been true, yet the overall labor participation rate has remained fairly steady. So merely increasing the percentage of 65-and-overs hasn't correllated with decreased labor force participation rates. So without something more, this is just pulling-it-out-of-your-keester argumentation.


That's actually 100% factually incorrect. The baby boom officially started in 1946, though 1945 did have a significant increase as well.

1945+65= 2010

The baby boom generation started reaching typical retirement age during Obama's first term.
 
2012-02-16 02:09:26 PM  

stebain: Garet Garrett: Awesome. Will you now shut the fark up about Bush, forevermore?? Because by your yardsticks, nothing has changed in decades.

Hi! No!


We'll be talking about the Bush presidency for decades. It was just that bad. Really. I mean, historically bad. Oh sure, you'll hear about how great it was in the South, along with how slavery was really a super-fun family values picnic.
 
2012-02-16 02:12:04 PM  

Garet Garrett: Awesome. Will you now shut the fark up about Bush, forevermore?? Because by your yardsticks, nothing has changed in decades.


The man who won two elections without anyone (admitting to) voting for him?

How can you not put THAT book down?
 
2012-02-16 02:13:32 PM  

Deneb81: Garet Garrett: Yes, that's true. And it will be more true in the coming decade. But during the past decade, that's also been true, yet the overall labor participation rate has remained fairly steady. So merely increasing the percentage of 65-and-overs hasn't correllated with decreased labor force participation rates. So without something more, this is just pulling-it-out-of-your-keester argumentation.

That's actually 100% factually incorrect. The baby boom officially started in 1946, though 1945 did have a significant increase as well.

1945+65= 2010

The baby boom generation started reaching typical retirement age during Obama's first term.


Another thing that is fairly important to consider as well is that many of these baby boomers, even the ones that are still working, now have empty nests at home and probably homes that are close to being, if not already, paid off. The need for two incomes in these types of families is far less than it might have been 8-10-12 years ago when their kids were still in college. I think you have lots of couples approaching retirement where one of the two spouses has already stopped working because they simply don't need to anymore.
 
2012-02-16 02:15:37 PM  

stebain: [data.bls.gov image 600x300]
Month, indeed.


That denotes the actual data points that are charted, not the axis labels.
 
2012-02-16 02:16:14 PM  

Garet Garrett: theknuckler_33: stebain: theknuckler_33: Just look at that participation rate plummet!

Jeepers, it went from 2/3 down to 2/3.

Well, using thirds as our measuring stick, the closest fractions to describe the movement of the participation rate from '09 to now would be...

it went from 2/3 down to 2/3.

How about that!

stebain: HeartBurnKid: stebain: theknuckler_33: Garet Garrett: theknuckler_33: You should check out that chart from 2001 to 2008.

Or, for those who prefer graphics,

Or, for those who prefer graphics with the date range I suggested:

[data.bls.gov image 600x300]

Just look at that participation rate plummet!

Jeepers, it went from 2/3 down to 2/3.

And under Obama, it went down to... 2/3.

I hope we are able to take the shock to the system when it whiplashes back up to 2/3.

Awesome. Will you now shut the fark up about Bush, forevermore?? Because by your yardsticks, nothing has changed in decades.



There you go, folks... When your bullshiat partisan talking point gets shown to be bullshiat, just change the subject.
 
2012-02-16 02:21:04 PM  
and unemployment claims go down again. We have the lowest level of weekly unemployment claims since 2008. GM is alive, bin Laden is dead, and America is back!
 
2012-02-16 02:22:18 PM  

ghare: We'll be talking about the Bush presidency for decades. It was just that bad. Really. I mean, historically bad.


This is not an exaggeration. The Bush administration had the worst job growth and GDP growth of any administration since goddamn Eisenhower. So yeah, when you harp on Obama for not getting us out of the enormous hole Bush dug for us don't be surprised when we remind you just how economically horrible Bush's terms were, and what Obama was subsequently handed.
 
2012-02-16 02:22:36 PM  

pacified: and unemployment claims go down again. We have the lowest level of weekly unemployment claims since 2008. GM is alive, bin Laden is dead, and America is back!


And Republicans are furious, because all this happened under a Democrat.
 
2012-02-16 02:24:52 PM  

King Something: pacified: and unemployment claims go down again. We have the lowest level of weekly unemployment claims since 2008. GM is alive, bin Laden is dead, and America is back!

And Republicans are furious, because all this happened under a Democrat.


You're darned right their furious. Every American would have TWO jobs, including the kids, if a Republican were president. Unemployment would be -100%!!!
 
2012-02-16 02:24:53 PM  

theknuckler_33: What is your point exactly?


MY point is that when your facts and graphs are coming from the "Republican Study Committee", I'm automatically gonna call shenanigans.
 
2012-02-16 02:30:24 PM  
Articles like this never fail to remind me of The Simpsons episode "Lisa the Vegetarian" where Homer is still convincing himself that he's still gonna serve the pig, even as it shoots out of the spillway and flies through the air.
 
2012-02-16 02:36:14 PM  
How Republicans can win even if the economy keeps improving.

Well, the oil companies will certainly do their part to help.
 
2012-02-16 02:36:24 PM  
But seriously. What the heck is in non-dairy creamer?
 
2012-02-16 02:36:34 PM  

stebain: [data.bls.gov image 600x300]
Month, indeed.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-02-16 02:50:40 PM  

PanicMan: But seriously. What the heck is in non-dairy creamer?


...and what's the deal with airplane peanuts?
 
2012-02-16 02:51:17 PM  
Right, the economy is getting better...

-2011 New Housing Sales: all time low
-6 million fewer jobs than when recession started
-Duration of unemployment, close to record high
-Food stamp recipients increased by 3 million in one year, 14 million since Obama took office
-Number of children in poverty higher for forth year in a row
-Number of Americans in living in extreme poverty at all time high
-Federal Housing Admin on the verge of financial collapse
-Only 23% of companies plan to hire in 2012
-All time record low % of teens had jobs last summer
-Median household income in decline down 6.8% since 2007 once you account for inflation
-Average age of cars at all time high
-18% of homes in Flordia vacant
-19% of American men 24-34 living with parents
-Long term unemployed the day Obama took office 2.6 million, today it's 5.6 million

Oh yes, the economy is getting better, keep swallowing the kool-aid and giving Obama a pass on fudging the numbers in an unprecedented fashion.
 
2012-02-16 02:56:52 PM  

randomjsa: Right, the economy is getting better...


Right. It is.
 
2012-02-16 03:00:08 PM  

theknuckler_33: PanicMan: But seriously. What the heck is in non-dairy creamer?

...and what's the deal with airplane peanuts?


Airplane peanuts are goddamn tasty, that's the deal with airline peanuts.
 
2012-02-16 03:06:52 PM  

fourskys: Came here for Pinky and the Brain quotes, leaving dissatisfied.

/Props to evilmrsock for trying to get it going
//Let the balloon people free!!


Noone knows how either of those work.

/Are you pondering what I'm pondering?
//I think so, but where will we find rubber pants our size?
 
2012-02-16 03:08:04 PM  
TwoHead: They left out the most obvious one; Manipulate the price of gasoline via the oil futures market. If they could find some way to get the price of gas well above $4/gal maybe even close to $5/gal by late Summer they can kill off the recovery.

What's that? You say experts are predicting the price of gas will be approaching $5/gal by late Summer? Shocking!


Every time we have a presidential election, the price of oil and gas plummets. I wouldn't be surprised if we have $2.50 gas by the time September rolls around.

/And $4.00 gas by December.
 
2012-02-16 03:17:25 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: randomjsa: Right, the economy is getting better...

Right. It is.


All one needs to do is check where the Dow Jones Industrial Average is today, and where it was when Obama took office. While you're at it check the DJIA when Bush took office too.
It is, factually, measurably, getting better.
 
2012-02-16 03:20:42 PM  

fourskys: Came here for Pinky and the Brain quotes, leaving dissatisfied.

/Props to evilmrsock for trying to get it going
//Let the balloon people free!!


I am honoured by your visit. Let me show you our assembly line. First, sheets of sheer synthetic sheepskin are slit into several Kicky-Sack shoe shapes in shapely shoe sizes by six sitting sheet slitters. Unfortunately the sixth sitting sheet slitter's sick. His son Sammy's subbing 'til the sick sixth sitting sheet slitter's back, sitting pretty. The Shoe Shaper then shapes the slit synthetic sheepskin sheets, and shoots out shoes through the chute. Now, this is Mr. Plunkett, the new khaki sock plucker. (I had to fire our previous sock plucker. He had a bit of an attitude.)

So, you sacked the cocky khaki Kicky-Sack sock plucker?

The second cocky khaki Kicky-Sack sock plucker I sacked since the sixth sitting sheet slitter got sick. --Whoops! Don't worry; just an electrical problem. One of the Kicky-Sack sack pickers will have to flick the plug....

Not the khaki sock plucker?

Oh MY no. The Kicky-Sack sack pickers flick the plug. The khaki sock plucker can't reach the socket over the latex child perambulator fenders we use to line the treadmill.

It might make more sense to have the sixth sitting sheet slitter's son flick the plug, if the sack pickers and the sock pluckers are behind the rubber baby buggy bumpers.

[Sammy flicks the plug. Everything whirs back up.]

I never thought of that!

i41.tinypic.com
Of course, you didn't.
 
2012-02-16 03:28:34 PM  

magusdevil: Dusk-You-n-Me: randomjsa: Right, the economy is getting better...

Right. It is.

All one needs to do is check where the Dow Jones Industrial Average is today, and where it was when Obama took office. While you're at it check the DJIA when Bush took office too.
It is, factually, measurably, getting better.


I thought only the 1% had their wellbeing correlate with the stock market.

ONE PERCENTER!
 
2012-02-16 03:29:15 PM  

MisterBill: TwoHead: They left out the most obvious one; Manipulate the price of gasoline via the oil futures market. If they could find some way to get the price of gas well above $4/gal maybe even close to $5/gal by late Summer they can kill off the recovery.

What's that? You say experts are predicting the price of gas will be approaching $5/gal by late Summer? Shocking!

Every time we have a presidential election, the price of oil and gas plummets. I wouldn't be surprised if we have $2.50 gas by the time September rolls around.

/And $4.00 gas by December.


You are thinking of what happens when we have a Republican incumbent. There is absolutely zero incentive for the Stonecutters Reverse Vampires American Petroleum Institute and their friends in the financial district to do anything to lower prices this year.
 
2012-02-16 03:32:10 PM  

BeesNuts:

[i41.tinypic.com image 241x177]
Of course, you didn't.


I feel like I'm fairly articulate (having spoken for a living in a previous incarnation), but even as I tried to read that aloud to see if I still had chops, I felt like I was having a stroke.
 
2012-02-16 03:32:44 PM  

Garet Garrett: magusdevil: All one needs to do is check where the Dow Jones Industrial Average is today, and where it was when Obama took office. While you're at it check the DJIA when Bush took office too.
It is, factually, measurably, getting better.

I thought only the 1% had their wellbeing correlate with the stock market.

ONE PERCENTER!


No, the 1% have the majority of their income come from capital gains which are taxed at lower rates than even modest income people. Many Americans have their retirement savings in 401K plans which very often do correlate to the stock market.

But you knew that.

/S&P is actually a better gauge of the overall market, but that is picking nits.
 
2012-02-16 03:33:33 PM  

magusdevil: It is, factually, measurably, getting better.


I think you are forgetting that the rise in stock indexes since 2009 are due to imaginary phantom profits. Unlike the profits when a Republican is in office that are totally real and totally don't require a prelude to war to Enron.
 
2012-02-16 03:36:56 PM  

randomjsa: Oh yes, the economy is getting better, keep swallowing the kool-aid and giving Obama a pass on fudging the numbers in an unprecedented fashion.


LABOR PARTICIPATION RATE!!!!!!
 
2012-02-16 03:37:03 PM  

enry:

Noone knows how either of those work.

/Are you pondering what I'm pondering?
//I think so, but where will we find rubber pants our size?


Much more satisfied now!

BeesNuts:
I am honoured by your visit. Let me show you our assembly line. First, sheets of sheer synthetic sheepskin are slit into several Kicky-Sack shoe shapes in shapely shoe sizes by six sitting sheet slitters. Unfortunately the sixth sitting sheet slitter's sick. His son Sammy's subbing 'til the sick sixth sitting sheet slitter's back, sitting pretty. The Shoe Shaper then shapes the slit synthetic sheepskin sheets, and shoots out shoes through the chute. Now, this is Mr. Plunkett, the new khaki sock plucker. (I had to fire our previous sock plucker. He had a bit of an attitude.)

So, you sacked the cocky khaki Kicky-Sack sock plucker?

The second cocky khaki Kicky-Sack sock plucker I sacked since the sixth sitting sheet slitter got sick. --Whoops! Don't worry; just an electrical problem. One of the Kicky-Sack sack pickers will have to flick the plug....

Not the khaki sock plucker?

Oh MY no. The Kicky-Sack sack pickers flick the plug. The khaki sock plucker can't reach the socket over the latex child perambulator fenders we use to line the treadmill.

It might make more sense to have the sixth sitting sheet slitter's son flick the plug, if the sack pickers and the sock pluckers are behind the rubber baby buggy bumpers.

[Sammy flicks the plug. Everything whirs back up.]

I never thought of that!

[i41.tinypic.com image 241x177]
Of course, you didn't.


I wanna know how many takes that took. I can't say it in my mind slowly, let alone out loud and at that speed...

I really like Rasputin
'Cause I don't realize
I only like Rasputin
'Cause I am hypnotized

/I think so Brain, but if you changed the 'P' to an 'O', my name would be Oinky!
 
2012-02-16 03:37:58 PM  
I really, really want to see Obama's PR campaign this year.

"Dear voters, let's play Never Have I Ever. Never Have I, your President, Ever held the American economy hostage, advocated market strategies that would have destroyed the economy of the entire planet, attempted to force you through legislation to fall in line with radical Christian beliefs, based my entire party strategy on shredding the Bill of Rights, or thrown screaming temper tantrums in lieu of actual discussion. The Republican Party has. Please vote for me so that four years from now, you still have a country instead of a radioactive wasteland."
 
2012-02-16 03:40:37 PM  

theknuckler_33: Garet Garrett: magusdevil: All one needs to do is check where the Dow Jones Industrial Average is today, and where it was when Obama took office. While you're at it check the DJIA when Bush took office too.
It is, factually, measurably, getting better.

I thought only the 1% had their wellbeing correlate with the stock market.

ONE PERCENTER!

No, the 1% have the majority of their income come from capital gains which are taxed at lower rates than even modest income people. Many Americans have their retirement savings in 401K plans which very often do correlate to the stock market.

But you knew that.

/S&P is actually a better gauge of the overall market, but that is picking nits.


Actually, a very small percentage of the 1% have a majority of their income come from captial gains.

But you knew that.

/S&P, DJIA, FTSE, whatever; all are crappy proxies for the overall economy. Did the economy get 20% worse in early October 2008? Of course not.
 
2012-02-16 03:42:37 PM  

PsiChick: I really, really want to see Obama's PR campaign this year.

"Dear voters, let's play Never Have I Ever. Never Have I, your President, Ever held the American economy hostage, advocated market strategies that would have destroyed the economy of the entire planet, attempted to force you through legislation to fall in line with radical Christian beliefs, based my entire party strategy on shredding the Bill of Rights, or thrown screaming temper tantrums in lieu of actual discussion. The Republican Party has. Please vote for me so that four years from now, you still have a country instead of a radioactive wasteland."


Sarcasm? Or transcendetally splendiferous lack of awareness?
 
2012-02-16 03:44:30 PM  
TwoHead: MisterBill: TwoHead: They left out the most obvious one; Manipulate the price of gasoline via the oil futures market. If they could find some way to get the price of gas well above $4/gal maybe even close to $5/gal by late Summer they can kill off the recovery.

What's that? You say experts are predicting the price of gas will be approaching $5/gal by late Summer? Shocking!

Every time we have a presidential election, the price of oil and gas plummets. I wouldn't be surprised if we have $2.50 gas by the time September rolls around.

/And $4.00 gas by December.

You are thinking of what happens when we have a Republican incumbent. There is absolutely zero incentive for the Stonecutters Reverse Vampires American Petroleum Institute and their friends in the financial district to do anything to lower prices this year.


It happens with Democratic incumbents, too (new window). It's just not quite as pronounced a drop. I think the various oil producers don't want to become a campaign issue, so they lower the prices/increase the supply. However, I didn't figure in the effect of the reverse vampires, so gas may not go down quite as much as I think.
 
2012-02-16 03:50:24 PM  
i41.tinypic.com
 
2012-02-16 03:50:51 PM  
This blog is too sad to suck, per se. More than likely it snivels in the corner, clutching its impotent fantasies to its chest.
 
2012-02-16 03:54:00 PM  

Garet Garrett: PsiChick: I really, really want to see Obama's PR campaign this year.

"Dear voters, let's play Never Have I Ever. Never Have I, your President, Ever held the American economy hostage, advocated market strategies that would have destroyed the economy of the entire planet, attempted to force you through legislation to fall in line with radical Christian beliefs, based my entire party strategy on shredding the Bill of Rights, or thrown screaming temper tantrums in lieu of actual discussion. The Republican Party has. Please vote for me so that four years from now, you still have a country instead of a radioactive wasteland."

Sarcasm? Or transcendetally splendiferous lack of awareness?


You say this as if President Obama HAS held the American economy hostage, advocated market strategies that would have destroyed the economy of the entire planet, attempted to force people through legislation to fall in line with radical Christian beliefs, based his entire party strategy on shredding the Bill of Rights, or thrown screaming temper tantrums in lieu of actual discussion.

I'm sure you'll provide proof that he has done this. And actual proof at that, not WND blogs or Free Republic threads of people accusing him of actively trying to destroy America; nor Fox News articles that DON'T accuse him of actively trying to destroy America, but are just asking if he is and pointing out that he hasn't answered those questions.
 
2012-02-16 03:56:45 PM  

FlashHarry: Elandriel: He hasn't even begun to campaign yet. I mean, I haven't seen a single "re-elect Obama" ad or anything. He has done effectively nothing, and his poll numbers keep rising, just on what he is doing for his actual job WITHOUT boasting his laurels or whatever the phrase is.

i've been saying this for months. never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.


Especially when your opponents don't understand that there's this invention called "the internet" and how it records things that you say.
 
2012-02-16 03:59:34 PM  

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: BeesNuts:

[i41.tinypic.com image 241x177]
Of course, you didn't.

I feel like I'm fairly articulate (having spoken for a living in a previous incarnation), but even as I tried to read that aloud to see if I still had chops, I felt like I was having a stroke.



Listen to it at full speed for a good 'ol fashioned mind-blow.

I miss the heady days of good Saturday morning Cartoons. Lest you forget, that episode opens partway into the plan with Pinky asking how they, being tiny mice, are going to get the big man in charge of the ENORMOUS company to listen to them.

Brain says "We will introduce ourselves as the only thing guaranteed to gain the respect of any American businessman: Japanese industrialists, seeking to buy the company."
 
2012-02-16 04:00:18 PM  
Herp. Link. (new window)
 
2012-02-16 04:00:32 PM  

Garet Garrett: theknuckler_33: Garet Garrett: magusdevil: All one needs to do is check where the Dow Jones Industrial Average is today, and where it was when Obama took office. While you're at it check the DJIA when Bush took office too.
It is, factually, measurably, getting better.

I thought only the 1% had their wellbeing correlate with the stock market.

ONE PERCENTER!

No, the 1% have the majority of their income come from capital gains which are taxed at lower rates than even modest income people. Many Americans have their retirement savings in 401K plans which very often do correlate to the stock market.

But you knew that.

/S&P is actually a better gauge of the overall market, but that is picking nits.

Actually, a very small percentage of the 1% have a majority of their income come from captial gains.

But you knew that.

/S&P, DJIA, FTSE, whatever; all are crappy proxies for the overall economy. Did the economy get 20% worse in early October 2008? Of course not.


Are you suggesting the Dow Jones had a 56 percent increase since Obama took office and at the same time the overall economy is getting worse? Can you show your work?
 
2012-02-16 04:07:30 PM  

magusdevil: Are you suggesting the Dow Jones had a 56 percent increase since Obama took office and at the same time the overall economy is getting worse? Can you show your work?


One could point out that companies that have record amounts of liquid capitol are firing employees anyway so the CEOs can gild their secretaries' buttplugs, leading to both the general economy sucking and individual companies doing pretty well.

But that wouldn't blame fartbongo enough, so it couldn't be true.
 
2012-02-16 04:14:13 PM  

magusdevil: Garet Garrett: /S&P, DJIA, FTSE, whatever; all are crappy proxies for the overall economy. Did the economy get 20% worse in early October 2008? Of course not.

Are you suggesting the Dow Jones had a 56 percent increase since Obama took office and at the same time the overall economy is getting worse? Can you show your work?


FWIW, the DOW closed today at it's highest level since before the crash (May, 2008), the Nasdaq is at its highest level since the Fall of 2000, and the S&P is just a few point shy of its post-crash high that it hit last April (which was its highest level since June 2008).
 
2012-02-16 04:19:13 PM  
I remember lurking in a freerepublic thread back in late summer/early fall of '09 when the markets were really starting to come back. The DOW had gone down to nearly 6500 in early March. By September it was over 9500 and I remember reading some comments on FR about how if it hit 10K that they were getting out!

I hope they really did do that and put it under their mattress. That thought always brings a wry smile to my face.
 
2012-02-16 04:25:28 PM  
non dairy creamer?

young gay republicans
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young gay republicans

/obscure
 
2012-02-16 04:43:58 PM  

Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

[pjmedia.com image 600x368]


Just to be clear--

This:

pjmedia.com

Is a lie, see below:

i.imgur.com

Are you still proud of your work in bringing this to the thread?
 
2012-02-16 04:45:28 PM  

Skleenar: Is a lie, see below:

i.imgur.com


OK, I lol'd.
 
2012-02-16 04:50:13 PM  

sprawl15: OK, I lol'd.


Well, to be fair, the original image got broked, so I used the humorously edited one.
 
2012-02-16 04:52:48 PM  

randomjsa: Right, the economy is getting better...

-2011 New Housing Sales: all time low


Why buy a new house when there's so many on the market right now?

-6 million fewer jobs than when recession started

You could just as easily chalk that to the fact Baby Boomers are starting to retire.

-Duration of unemployment, close to record high

When you have 4 people for every job offer, dozens or hundreds for good ones, it can take time to find something.

-Food stamp recipients increased by 3 million in one year, 14 million since Obama took office

Both sides of the isle have worked hard to get more people on food assistance because it works to help people.

-Number of children in poverty higher for forth year in a row

Gee Davey, you think that started before he came into office?

-Number of Americans in living in extreme poverty at all time high

Fox news told me 98% had refrigerators.

-Federal Housing Admin on the verge of financial collapse

I searched this phrase to figure out what the hell you're talking about, and I found it nearly verbatim in dozens of right wing blogs, without any explanation even of what the "Federal Housing Admin" is or what it matters. I can't assume this is important.

-Only 23% of companies plan to hire in 2012

A, cite, B, Plans. Companies hire when they experience a need/growth. Only a fool would say "Yep, i'm hiring someone" without a reason. And you don't hire because you have money. You hire because there's need. Grow need, aka Demand, instead of cash Supplies. In other words, you're advocating demand-side economics, not supply-side. HA.

-All time record low % of teens had jobs last summer

So are you complaining about kids being lazy, or about the bad economy this time? You've been known to blather about both.

-Median household income in decline down 6.8% since 2007 once you account for inflation

Well when your neighbors have all been screwed out of their homes, by greedy banks, of course values are down.

-Average age of cars at all time high

blame the carmakers - rather then affordable models they throw GPS navigation systems at five times the cost. The cheapest car on the market according to Forbes.com is the Kia Rio, with a cost over 10,000 dollars. Why in god's name would anyone buy that when a few-year-old reasonable car is around for much less?

-18% of homes in Flordia vacant

Sounds like a problem for Flordia's governor... a republican.

-19% of American men 24-34 living with parents

As one of them (though for me, it is to take care of my sick father), no shock. Also, no context - how is that compared to the prior 10 years?

-Long term unemployed the day Obama took office 2.6 million, today it's 5.6 million

And when did those happen? the first year - when we were still all in the economics of Bush.

Oh yes, the economy is getting better, keep swallowing the kool-aid and giving Obama a pass on fudging the numbers in an unprecedented fashion.

Kool-aid and fudge. You're a child, right? just to be sure?
 
2012-02-16 04:55:11 PM  

Garet Garrett: Or is the BLS a tool for the vast right wing conspiracy too?


Some of my charts here also came from the BLS.

GDP performance during the Obama Administration has gone into positive growth.
thecentristword.files.wordpress.com

US stock markets performance during the Obama Administration...
DOW in 01/20/2009: 7,949.09
DOW in 02/16/2012: 12,904.08
Rate of Return: 62.33%

S&P in 01/20/2009: 805.22
S&P in 02/16/2012: 1,358.04
Rate of Return: 68.65%

NASDAQ in 01/20/2009: 1,440.86
NASDAQ in 02/16/2012: 2,959.85
Rate of Return: 105.42%


Private jobs hemorrhage slowed down during the Obama Administration and eventually went into positive territory.
assets.democrats.org

Unemployment rate has been trending down now during the Obama Administration.

One year trend...
i2.cdn.turner.com

During the Obama Administration...
www.washingtonpost.com

Read all about it...

Private-sector job growth biggest in 3 years (new window)

Stealth signs of a stronger job market (new window)

Biggest unemployment rate improvement in nearly 28 years (new window)

Small businesses ramp up jobs (new window)

Jobs: 2 hopeful signs (new window)

The unemployment rate fell to 8.3%. That is the lowest since February 2009 (new window)

Stealth jobs boom: 6 months, 2 million jobs (new window)


If you are unemployed or underemployed, you don't have a 4 year degree (or higher) and blame Obama for your situation, then maybe you should get a college degree. It is not the Gov's fault you don't have the necessary skills to compete in today's world. The Gov can even help you pay for it (via loans, grants, GI Bill etc).
farm6.static.flickr.com

Average weekly paychecks have improved.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Inflation has not gone up.
farm5.static.flickr.com

Your taxes have not gone up since Obama took office. This was a rooted fear from Tea Partiers. Take a look at a Forbes article written by Bruce Bartlett, a self-described fiscal conservative...
Forbes: Tea partiers confused, taxes 'lower by every measure' under Obama (Cutting to a new window)
 
2012-02-16 05:06:58 PM  

randomjsa: Right, the economy is getting better...

-2011 New Housing Sales: all time low


There's a glut of homes on the market. Building more won't help.

-6 million fewer jobs than when recession started

And we've got 24 months of job creation. There is no magic wand to instantly create 6 million jobs.

-Duration of unemployment, close to record high

Yes. And? Fewer jobs means more people on unemployment for longer. This is being addressed, though the bigger issue is that hiring companies tend to discriminate quite badly against the long term unemployed.

-Food stamp recipients increased by 3 million in one year, 14 million since Obama took office

If only all those food stampers would just starve to death like decent people.

-Number of children in poverty higher for forth year in a row

Are there no workhouses?

-Number of Americans in living in extreme poverty at all time high

The Republican plan? More bootstraps!

I'll snip the remainder, but I would suggest that if you're going to just rip off talking points, you do so from a less shiatty blog., but I know original thoughts are hard to come by on the right.
 
2012-02-16 05:43:34 PM  

Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?


Hooray shrink the data set on the Y Axis for MAXIMUM EFFECT!
 
2012-02-16 08:17:21 PM  
PanicMan:

theknuckler_33: PanicMan: But seriously. What the heck is in non-dairy creamer?

...and what's the deal with airplane peanuts?

Airplane peanuts are goddamn tasty, that's the deal with airline peanuts.


But you know they don't even give out airline peanuts anymore, at least not on US Airways coach? I was the farkin' hero of aisle 11 on a flight recently because my G/F put a bag of bag of dark-chocolate trail mix in my carryon and I'm reasonably generous.

Kingfisher Airlines should be the model. All the free beer you want, even in coach.
 
2012-02-17 12:56:18 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Well that was a pile of lies.


The key to Republicans winning is repeating lies often enough that some of them still stick.
 
2012-02-17 02:19:18 PM  

Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

[pjmedia.com image 600x368]


Your chart is over a year old, dumbass
 
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