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(Some Optimistic Guy)   How Republicans can win even if the economy keeps improving. Master plan likely involves two things no one understands: a microwave and non-dairy creamer   (blog.american.com ) divider line
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2012-02-16 03:54:00 PM  

Garet Garrett: PsiChick: I really, really want to see Obama's PR campaign this year.

"Dear voters, let's play Never Have I Ever. Never Have I, your President, Ever held the American economy hostage, advocated market strategies that would have destroyed the economy of the entire planet, attempted to force you through legislation to fall in line with radical Christian beliefs, based my entire party strategy on shredding the Bill of Rights, or thrown screaming temper tantrums in lieu of actual discussion. The Republican Party has. Please vote for me so that four years from now, you still have a country instead of a radioactive wasteland."

Sarcasm? Or transcendetally splendiferous lack of awareness?


You say this as if President Obama HAS held the American economy hostage, advocated market strategies that would have destroyed the economy of the entire planet, attempted to force people through legislation to fall in line with radical Christian beliefs, based his entire party strategy on shredding the Bill of Rights, or thrown screaming temper tantrums in lieu of actual discussion.

I'm sure you'll provide proof that he has done this. And actual proof at that, not WND blogs or Free Republic threads of people accusing him of actively trying to destroy America; nor Fox News articles that DON'T accuse him of actively trying to destroy America, but are just asking if he is and pointing out that he hasn't answered those questions.
 
2012-02-16 03:56:45 PM  

FlashHarry: Elandriel: He hasn't even begun to campaign yet. I mean, I haven't seen a single "re-elect Obama" ad or anything. He has done effectively nothing, and his poll numbers keep rising, just on what he is doing for his actual job WITHOUT boasting his laurels or whatever the phrase is.

i've been saying this for months. never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.


Especially when your opponents don't understand that there's this invention called "the internet" and how it records things that you say.
 
2012-02-16 03:59:34 PM  

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: BeesNuts:

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Of course, you didn't.

I feel like I'm fairly articulate (having spoken for a living in a previous incarnation), but even as I tried to read that aloud to see if I still had chops, I felt like I was having a stroke.



Listen to it at full speed for a good 'ol fashioned mind-blow.

I miss the heady days of good Saturday morning Cartoons. Lest you forget, that episode opens partway into the plan with Pinky asking how they, being tiny mice, are going to get the big man in charge of the ENORMOUS company to listen to them.

Brain says "We will introduce ourselves as the only thing guaranteed to gain the respect of any American businessman: Japanese industrialists, seeking to buy the company."
 
2012-02-16 04:00:18 PM  
Herp. Link. (new window)
 
2012-02-16 04:00:32 PM  

Garet Garrett: theknuckler_33: Garet Garrett: magusdevil: All one needs to do is check where the Dow Jones Industrial Average is today, and where it was when Obama took office. While you're at it check the DJIA when Bush took office too.
It is, factually, measurably, getting better.

I thought only the 1% had their wellbeing correlate with the stock market.

ONE PERCENTER!

No, the 1% have the majority of their income come from capital gains which are taxed at lower rates than even modest income people. Many Americans have their retirement savings in 401K plans which very often do correlate to the stock market.

But you knew that.

/S&P is actually a better gauge of the overall market, but that is picking nits.

Actually, a very small percentage of the 1% have a majority of their income come from captial gains.

But you knew that.

/S&P, DJIA, FTSE, whatever; all are crappy proxies for the overall economy. Did the economy get 20% worse in early October 2008? Of course not.


Are you suggesting the Dow Jones had a 56 percent increase since Obama took office and at the same time the overall economy is getting worse? Can you show your work?
 
2012-02-16 04:07:30 PM  

magusdevil: Are you suggesting the Dow Jones had a 56 percent increase since Obama took office and at the same time the overall economy is getting worse? Can you show your work?


One could point out that companies that have record amounts of liquid capitol are firing employees anyway so the CEOs can gild their secretaries' buttplugs, leading to both the general economy sucking and individual companies doing pretty well.

But that wouldn't blame fartbongo enough, so it couldn't be true.
 
2012-02-16 04:14:13 PM  

magusdevil: Garet Garrett: /S&P, DJIA, FTSE, whatever; all are crappy proxies for the overall economy. Did the economy get 20% worse in early October 2008? Of course not.

Are you suggesting the Dow Jones had a 56 percent increase since Obama took office and at the same time the overall economy is getting worse? Can you show your work?


FWIW, the DOW closed today at it's highest level since before the crash (May, 2008), the Nasdaq is at its highest level since the Fall of 2000, and the S&P is just a few point shy of its post-crash high that it hit last April (which was its highest level since June 2008).
 
2012-02-16 04:19:13 PM  
I remember lurking in a freerepublic thread back in late summer/early fall of '09 when the markets were really starting to come back. The DOW had gone down to nearly 6500 in early March. By September it was over 9500 and I remember reading some comments on FR about how if it hit 10K that they were getting out!

I hope they really did do that and put it under their mattress. That thought always brings a wry smile to my face.
 
2012-02-16 04:25:28 PM  
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2012-02-16 04:43:58 PM  

Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

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Just to be clear--

This:

pjmedia.com

Is a lie, see below:

i.imgur.com

Are you still proud of your work in bringing this to the thread?
 
2012-02-16 04:45:28 PM  

Skleenar: Is a lie, see below:

i.imgur.com


OK, I lol'd.
 
2012-02-16 04:50:13 PM  

sprawl15: OK, I lol'd.


Well, to be fair, the original image got broked, so I used the humorously edited one.
 
2012-02-16 04:52:48 PM  

randomjsa: Right, the economy is getting better...

-2011 New Housing Sales: all time low


Why buy a new house when there's so many on the market right now?

-6 million fewer jobs than when recession started

You could just as easily chalk that to the fact Baby Boomers are starting to retire.

-Duration of unemployment, close to record high

When you have 4 people for every job offer, dozens or hundreds for good ones, it can take time to find something.

-Food stamp recipients increased by 3 million in one year, 14 million since Obama took office

Both sides of the isle have worked hard to get more people on food assistance because it works to help people.

-Number of children in poverty higher for forth year in a row

Gee Davey, you think that started before he came into office?

-Number of Americans in living in extreme poverty at all time high

Fox news told me 98% had refrigerators.

-Federal Housing Admin on the verge of financial collapse

I searched this phrase to figure out what the hell you're talking about, and I found it nearly verbatim in dozens of right wing blogs, without any explanation even of what the "Federal Housing Admin" is or what it matters. I can't assume this is important.

-Only 23% of companies plan to hire in 2012

A, cite, B, Plans. Companies hire when they experience a need/growth. Only a fool would say "Yep, i'm hiring someone" without a reason. And you don't hire because you have money. You hire because there's need. Grow need, aka Demand, instead of cash Supplies. In other words, you're advocating demand-side economics, not supply-side. HA.

-All time record low % of teens had jobs last summer

So are you complaining about kids being lazy, or about the bad economy this time? You've been known to blather about both.

-Median household income in decline down 6.8% since 2007 once you account for inflation

Well when your neighbors have all been screwed out of their homes, by greedy banks, of course values are down.

-Average age of cars at all time high

blame the carmakers - rather then affordable models they throw GPS navigation systems at five times the cost. The cheapest car on the market according to Forbes.com is the Kia Rio, with a cost over 10,000 dollars. Why in god's name would anyone buy that when a few-year-old reasonable car is around for much less?

-18% of homes in Flordia vacant

Sounds like a problem for Flordia's governor... a republican.

-19% of American men 24-34 living with parents

As one of them (though for me, it is to take care of my sick father), no shock. Also, no context - how is that compared to the prior 10 years?

-Long term unemployed the day Obama took office 2.6 million, today it's 5.6 million

And when did those happen? the first year - when we were still all in the economics of Bush.

Oh yes, the economy is getting better, keep swallowing the kool-aid and giving Obama a pass on fudging the numbers in an unprecedented fashion.

Kool-aid and fudge. You're a child, right? just to be sure?
 
2012-02-16 04:55:11 PM  

Garet Garrett: Or is the BLS a tool for the vast right wing conspiracy too?


Some of my charts here also came from the BLS.

GDP performance during the Obama Administration has gone into positive growth.
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US stock markets performance during the Obama Administration...
DOW in 01/20/2009: 7,949.09
DOW in 02/16/2012: 12,904.08
Rate of Return: 62.33%

S&P in 01/20/2009: 805.22
S&P in 02/16/2012: 1,358.04
Rate of Return: 68.65%

NASDAQ in 01/20/2009: 1,440.86
NASDAQ in 02/16/2012: 2,959.85
Rate of Return: 105.42%


Private jobs hemorrhage slowed down during the Obama Administration and eventually went into positive territory.
assets.democrats.org

Unemployment rate has been trending down now during the Obama Administration.

One year trend...
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During the Obama Administration...
www.washingtonpost.com

Read all about it...

Private-sector job growth biggest in 3 years (new window)

Stealth signs of a stronger job market (new window)

Biggest unemployment rate improvement in nearly 28 years (new window)

Small businesses ramp up jobs (new window)

Jobs: 2 hopeful signs (new window)

The unemployment rate fell to 8.3%. That is the lowest since February 2009 (new window)

Stealth jobs boom: 6 months, 2 million jobs (new window)


If you are unemployed or underemployed, you don't have a 4 year degree (or higher) and blame Obama for your situation, then maybe you should get a college degree. It is not the Gov's fault you don't have the necessary skills to compete in today's world. The Gov can even help you pay for it (via loans, grants, GI Bill etc).
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Average weekly paychecks have improved.
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Inflation has not gone up.
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Your taxes have not gone up since Obama took office. This was a rooted fear from Tea Partiers. Take a look at a Forbes article written by Bruce Bartlett, a self-described fiscal conservative...
Forbes: Tea partiers confused, taxes 'lower by every measure' under Obama (Cutting to a new window)
 
2012-02-16 05:06:58 PM  

randomjsa: Right, the economy is getting better...

-2011 New Housing Sales: all time low


There's a glut of homes on the market. Building more won't help.

-6 million fewer jobs than when recession started

And we've got 24 months of job creation. There is no magic wand to instantly create 6 million jobs.

-Duration of unemployment, close to record high

Yes. And? Fewer jobs means more people on unemployment for longer. This is being addressed, though the bigger issue is that hiring companies tend to discriminate quite badly against the long term unemployed.

-Food stamp recipients increased by 3 million in one year, 14 million since Obama took office

If only all those food stampers would just starve to death like decent people.

-Number of children in poverty higher for forth year in a row

Are there no workhouses?

-Number of Americans in living in extreme poverty at all time high

The Republican plan? More bootstraps!

I'll snip the remainder, but I would suggest that if you're going to just rip off talking points, you do so from a less shiatty blog., but I know original thoughts are hard to come by on the right.
 
2012-02-16 05:43:34 PM  

Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?


Hooray shrink the data set on the Y Axis for MAXIMUM EFFECT!
 
2012-02-16 08:17:21 PM  
PanicMan:

theknuckler_33: PanicMan: But seriously. What the heck is in non-dairy creamer?

...and what's the deal with airplane peanuts?

Airplane peanuts are goddamn tasty, that's the deal with airline peanuts.


But you know they don't even give out airline peanuts anymore, at least not on US Airways coach? I was the farkin' hero of aisle 11 on a flight recently because my G/F put a bag of bag of dark-chocolate trail mix in my carryon and I'm reasonably generous.

Kingfisher Airlines should be the model. All the free beer you want, even in coach.
 
2012-02-17 12:56:18 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Well that was a pile of lies.


The key to Republicans winning is repeating lies often enough that some of them still stick.
 
2012-02-17 02:19:18 PM  

Garet Garrett: "Keeps improving"?

[pjmedia.com image 600x368]


Your chart is over a year old, dumbass
 
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