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2012-02-16 08:52:56 AM
I wonder what Floyd Mayweather Jr. has to say about this?
 
2012-02-16 08:57:21 AM

mc_madness: I wonder what Floyd Mayweather Jr. has to say about this?


You wont find out, hes too busy ducking the question.
 
2012-02-16 09:02:36 AM
And Lin, a hero, comes along...

/Terrible but at least somewhat original
 
2012-02-16 09:04:16 AM

mc_madness: I wonder what Floyd Mayweather Jr. has to say about this?


I, for one, am curious to hear his slant on the matter.
 
2012-02-16 09:06:50 AM
This is the headline that got greenlighted? There was nothing more clever? None at all?
 
2012-02-16 09:09:31 AM

UNC_Samurai: mc_madness: I wonder what Floyd Mayweather Jr. has to say about this?

I, for one, am curious to hear his slant on the matter.


I am sure he'll find a chink in Lin's armor.
 
2012-02-16 09:11:34 AM

H31N0US: UNC_Samurai: mc_madness: I wonder what Floyd Mayweather Jr. has to say about this?

I, for one, am curious to hear his slant on the matter.

I am sure he'll find a chink in Lin's armor.


I barely see what you did there.

/because of my tiny eyes
 
2012-02-16 09:12:42 AM
If it wasn't New York, maybe the story isn't there.

He's a legit point guard, even if the Warriors have no place for his skill set on their roster.

/love listening to the talk radio here in the Bay Area with the Lin second guessing & the insistence than Steph & Monta are waaaaaaaaay better than Lin

mc_madness: I wonder what Floyd Mayweather Jr. has to say about this?


"I think the media has been very desirous that an Asian quarterback do well. They're interested in Asian coaches and Asian quarterbacks doing well. I think there's a little hope invested in Lin, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve."
 
2012-02-16 09:14:10 AM
Sidney Wang: It is late, and my eyes are getting tired.

Sam Diamond: I thought they always looked like that.

Jessica Marbles: Knock it off, Sam!

Sam Diamond: I apologize. This case is getting to me. I'm sorry, Slanty.

Sidney Wang: Um... thank you.
 
2012-02-16 09:14:53 AM
I don't care what you guys think about him, he just finds a way to win. Sure the defence has really stepped up and is playing very well but when it gets to the fourth quarter he just makes it happen. But you all hate him because of his faith.
 
2012-02-16 09:15:00 AM

mc_madness: I wonder what Floyd Mayweather Jr. has to say about this?


Don't take advise from a person who gets hit in the head for a living?
 
2012-02-16 09:18:14 AM

INeedAName: I don't care what you guys think about him, he just finds a way to win. Sure the defence has really stepped up and is playing very well but when it gets to the fourth quarter he just makes it happen. But you all hate him because of his faith.


Look, I don't hate him because he's Asian, I just wish he wasn't so openly Asian. Every time the camera is on him, there he goes being all Asian.
 
2012-02-16 09:18:38 AM

INeedAName: I don't care what you guys think about him, he just finds a way to win. Sure the defence has really stepped up and is playing very well but when it gets to the fourth quarter he just makes it happen. But you all hate him because of his faith.


I see what you did there....
 
2012-02-16 09:19:55 AM

legion_of_doo: If it wasn't New York, maybe the story isn't there.


I thought that at first, but this just doesn't happen. When's the last time a guy who hadn't played at all came off the bench, started throwing up something like a 24-8 nightly, and took a team that had previously been playing like shiat on a 7-game win streak? Then throw in that he's really the first Asian-American to make an impact, plus the whole unrecruited-Ivy League-undrafted-cut twice angle. Maybe it's not quite as big of a story if it's somewhere else, but I think it's still a big story.

legion_of_doo: He's a legit point guard, even if the Warriors have no place for his skill set on their roster.

/love listening to the talk radio here in the Bay Area with the Lin second guessing & the insistence than Steph & Monta are waaaaaaaaay better than Lin


Yeah, GS is not the team for Lin at all.
 
2012-02-16 09:24:13 AM

H31N0US: I am sure he'll find a chink in Lin's armor.


That would be his high turnover rate, which sounds like a pretty bad chink unless it's put in the perspective that he's a 2nd-year PG who as of two weeks ago was a bench warmer who'd spent practically no time practicing the offense with teammates who aren't used to getting passed to. In the meantime, defenses are sequentially going through every trick in the book to try to slow him down. That is forcing turnovers but in the long run they're only teaching him to get better because he's still learning.

What's scary about the Knicks' offense isn't that Melo is still injured. What's scary is that this is what a Lin-lead team can do having had virtually no time to gel with a PG with little NBA experience. People are saying they haven't beaten good teams (besides the Lakers), which is true, but they've been doing it with not much more than teamwork and a shot to the arm. They'll face some really tough teams later but by then they'll have worked a lot of the kinks out of the system.

As an aside, the most fun guy to watch is Tyson Chandler. He's not just a monster; it's like he enjoys setting picks for Lin and running around because Lin feeds him a few alley-oops a game. I mean, what the fark, a 7'1" center coming out all the way to the perimeter to set a high pick? Yet you can tell he's loving it.
 
2012-02-16 09:28:46 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: INeedAName: I don't care what you guys think about him, he just finds a way to win. Sure the defence has really stepped up and is playing very well but when it gets to the fourth quarter he just makes it happen. But you all hate him because of his faith.

Look, I don't hate him because he's Asian, I just wish he wasn't so openly Asian. Every time the camera is on him, there he goes being all Asian.


Look just because you're not Asian doesn't mean you get to get all offended because someone is. We have freedoms in this country and if you don't like it why don't you move to Canada!
 
2012-02-16 09:29:58 AM

INeedAName: I don't care what you guys think about him, he just finds a way to win. Sure the defence has really stepped up and is playing very well but when it gets to the fourth quarter he just makes it happen. But you all hate him because of his faith.


AdmirableSnackbar: Look, I don't hate him because he's Asian, I just wish he wasn't so openly Asian. Every time the camera is on him, there he goes being all Asian.


Not to mention he's an idiot who was WAY overhyped coming out of college, "graduated" with a bullshiat degree from a school known more for athletics than academics, makes less than half his shots and drops to one knee after every big play. (But at least he doesn't turn the ball over.)

Wait, who are we talking about again?

/ You want a football analogy of Lin, it's Kurt Warner
 
2012-02-16 09:30:33 AM

FreakinB: Then throw in that he's really the first Asian-American to make an impact


Is being the first Asian-American as opposed to just Asian to make an impact really that big of a deal?

/glad he's finding success
 
2012-02-16 09:31:52 AM
I think this is what the NBA needs right now. in a season that was marred by rich people fighting with other rich people over who gets the bigger piece of the pie, you got this guy who graduated from Harvard, not making a ton of money (less than 1 million dollars), sleeping on teammates' couches. There are no 7 hour specials on where he's going to sign. He's not being accused of rape. He's not running in the stands to beat someone up. He hasn't shot anyone (yet). he's really helping to bring a positive image to the league.
 
2012-02-16 09:32:37 AM

dragonchild: / You want a football analogy of Lin, it's Kurt Warner


If the Knicks make it to the ECF or at least the second round, maybe. For now, that's really premature. He could be Ryan Fitzpatrick.
 
2012-02-16 09:41:08 AM

dragonchild: You want a football analogy of Lin, it's Kurt Warner


Possibly, but Lin has already proven that he can win without hall-of-fame caliber talent surrounding him. I'd mention the dome/dome-like-weather thing, too, but NBA games are almost always played indoors.

/Warner is ridiculously overrated
//Lin might actually be good
 
2012-02-16 09:41:34 AM

legion_of_doo: If it wasn't New York the Knicks, maybe the story isn't there.


It's not often that you see a terrible team like the Knicks get such a shot in the arm, from a player that few people have heard of before.


dragonchild: What's scary about the Knicks' offense isn't that Melo is still injured. What's scary is that this is what a Lin-lead team can do having had virtually no time to gel with a PG with little NBA experience. People are saying they haven't beaten good teams (besides the Lakers), which is true, but they've been doing it with not much more than teamwork and a shot to the arm. They'll face some really tough teams later but by then they'll have worked a lot of the kinks out of the system.


Carmelo's play was terrible before he got hurt. Yeah he was scoring a lot, but his field goal percentage was much too low for a 6'8" forward. Also, I'm a little skeptical about what would happen when Carmelo comes back, even if he's completely healed up -- I feel that the Knicks tend to do better when they get the role-players like Landry Fields and Bill Walker involved, instead of always letting the big-ticket stars get the ball. But when those stars are on the court, D'Antoni just seems to let them run the show instead of, you know, actually coaching the damn team. I've watched this team long enough to know that they'll find a way to ruin a good thing. I hope they don't, but that doubt is always there in the back of my mind.

/I'm a Jets fan too, in case you couldn't tell.
 
2012-02-16 09:45:12 AM

FreakinB: I thought that at first, but this just doesn't happen. When's the last time a guy who hadn't played at all came off the bench, started throwing up something like a 24-8 nightly, and took a team that had previously been playing like shiat on a 7-game win streak? Then throw in that he's really the first Asian-American to make an impact, plus the whole unrecruited-Ivy League-undrafted-cut twice angle. Maybe it's not quite as big of a story if it's somewhere else, but I think it's still a big story.


Yao was really good, and had all the tools, but his story was hurt because of where he was.

I think Linsanity would have blown up if he had his shot elsewhere, but New York needed Lin as much as Lin needed to be in New York for that shot.

/pretty much miraculous how that all came together for Lin and the Knicks

ManateeGag: I think this is what the NBA needs right now. in a season that was marred by rich people fighting with other rich people over who gets the bigger piece of the pie, you got this guy who graduated from Harvard, not making a ton of money (less than 1 million dollars), sleeping on teammates' couches. There are no 7 hour specials on where he's going to sign. He's not being accused of rape. He's not running in the stands to beat someone up. He hasn't shot anyone (yet). he's really helping to bring a positive image to the league.


He's not saying retarded shiat, but he needs work on his press conferences. That's another chink in his armor.

/nearly fell over when I heard the ESPN guy ask what the chink in Jeremy Lin's armor was after the game yesterday
/also, he shouldn't be on the All Star team yet. I mean, why mess up the sanctity of that game?
 
2012-02-16 09:53:07 AM

you have pee hands: Is being the first Asian-American as opposed to just Asian to make an impact really that big of a deal?

/glad he's finding success


legion_of_doo: Yao was really good, and had all the tools, but his story was hurt because of where he was


Yao wasn't Asian-American though, and I do think the fact that Lin grew up in the same country as most of the fan base is an important distinction.
 
2012-02-16 09:56:23 AM
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Duh, Linning...
 
2012-02-16 09:59:38 AM
In other news, I have a cousin who is a dead ringer for Jeremy Lin.
 
2012-02-16 10:01:46 AM

ManateeGag: There are no 7 hour specials on where he's going to sign. He's not being accused of rape. He's not running in the stands to beat someone up. He hasn't shot anyone (yet). he's really helping to bring a positive image to the league.


One could say the same about Paul Pierce. Lin's hardly the first guy in the NBA with good character. The story is more that he went from a bench-warmer to picking up a downtrodden and desperate franchise. Nothing against Paul but he joined a team that has a legacy for championship success with the expectation of carrying that legacy, so it's not like his story came out of nowhere.

you have pee hands: If the Knicks make it to the ECF or at least the second round, maybe. For now, that's really premature. He could be Ryan Fitzpatrick.


Making comparisons between basketball and football are flawed, anyway. They're fundamentally different games. In basketball, the same guys play offense and defense, and anyone is eligible to possess the ball. The guy who touches the ball the most times in a football game is. . . the center. But if idiots INSIST on making comparison between Lin and a football player, the best analogy is NOT Tebow.
 
2012-02-16 10:02:07 AM

FreakinB: you have pee hands: Is being the first Asian-American as opposed to just Asian to make an impact really that big of a deal?

/glad he's finding success

legion_of_doo: Yao was really good, and had all the tools, but his story was hurt because of where he was

Yao wasn't Asian-American though, and I do think the fact that Lin grew up in the same country as most of the fan base is an important distinction.


Also, it's not like Yao came out of nowhere. He was the #1 pick in the draft.
 
2012-02-16 10:04:06 AM

you have pee hands: FreakinB: Then throw in that he's really the first Asian-American to make an impact

Is being the first Asian-American as opposed to just Asian to make an impact really that big of a deal?

/glad he's finding success


It's not just being Asian-American -- Yao Ming and the other Chinese players that have come over are kind of on a PR campaign for the Chinese government, so they're kind of stooges in a sense. Also, they were kind of like the Chinese Ivan Dragos* -- they train in a military-style system, and IIRC Yao's parents were both basketball players whom the government matched together to produce a basketball-producing son. For an Asian-American player to come out of the American high school/college system and be competitive in the NBA does break some stereotypes.

Another barrier he's breaking is that he's a point guard -- the previous Chinese players have all been PF's or centers, where they can get a roster spot on almost any team based on size alone. Point guard is a skilled position that requires imagination and spontaneity, which the Chinese players haven't demonstrated so far, and which Asians are stereotypically lacking in.

So yes, he's a big farking deal.


* Except for the part where they're good at the sport they trained at (Yao was good but the others were terrible)
 
2012-02-16 10:05:06 AM

legion_of_doo: If it wasn't New York, maybe the story isn't there.


That was my initial thought as well, and the reason I have intentionally ignored this story until this morning when it is the most viewed item in every news category. But you just can't argue with those numbers, they are no fluke.

I'm happy for Lin, but it irks me the NBA is now benefiting from its dumbfarkery. I wonder what RC Buford has to say about this.
 
2012-02-16 10:07:04 AM
a323.yahoofs.com


Pau Gasol - Check
Ricky Rubio - Check
Jose Calderon - Check
 
2012-02-16 10:09:52 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: INeedAName: I don't care what you guys think about him, he just finds a way to win. Sure the defence has really stepped up and is playing very well but when it gets to the fourth quarter he just makes it happen. But you all hate him because of his faith.

Look, I don't hate him because he's Asian, I just wish he wasn't so openly Asian. Every time the camera is on him, there he goes being all Asian.


It's like Barney (new window) on "How I Met Your Mother". No matter what race he is when you take the picture, he looks all asian when it develops.
 
2012-02-16 10:10:26 AM

mc_madness: I wonder what Floyd Mayweather Jr. has to say about this?


This dudes brain is flied.
 
2012-02-16 10:11:56 AM
I can say Asian stuff because I have a black friend used to be jaundiced once.
 
2012-02-16 10:13:02 AM

FreakinB: I do think the fact that Lin grew up in the same country as most of the fan base is an important distinction.


Nah, the background that got him relegated to the bench was that he was a (relatively) short Asian geek and not some genetic freak. I don't know many who care where he was born.

That said, I do care that the NBA is seeking to ride his coattails into the Asian TV market, especially China. Lin has about as much to do with China as freedom of speech. He's a Taiwanese born in America. Not only would Lin's story not have happened if he was born in China, if anything he's a farking traitor to them. He might to face some political flak from China, which he shouldn't give a fark about, but it'd be damn hypocritical of China to openly endorse this guy.
 
2012-02-16 10:16:59 AM

dragonchild: FreakinB: I do think the fact that Lin grew up in the same country as most of the fan base is an important distinction.

Nah, the background that got him relegated to the bench was that he was a (relatively) short Asian geek and not some genetic freak. I don't know many who care where he was born.


I'm not talking so much about that as much as I am talking about how the fan base relates to him. I'm 0% Asian, but I'd imagine that someone with an Asian background who grew up here is going to relate more to someone who also grew up here than to someone who grew up in China. Especially given the point Arkanaut brought up about coming through the American system rather than a sports academy.
 
2012-02-16 10:17:01 AM

dragonchild: As an aside, the most fun guy to watch is Tyson Chandler. He's not just a monster; it's like he enjoys setting picks for Lin and running around because Lin feeds him a few alley-oops a game. I mean, what the fark, a 7'1" center coming out all the way to the perimeter to set a high pick? Yet you can tell he's loving it.


If you go to the sbnation site for the knicks, posting and toasting, and pick any game and look at the recap pictures, that team loves that dude and are having fun. (Obviously, winning 7 in a row is always fun, but they really take this cat in).
 
2012-02-16 10:23:42 AM

dragonchild: FreakinB: I do think the fact that Lin grew up in the same country as most of the fan base is an important distinction.

Nah, the background that got him relegated to the bench was that he was a (relatively) short Asian geek and not some genetic freak. I don't know many who care where he was born.

That said, I do care that the NBA is seeking to ride his coattails into the Asian TV market, especially China. Lin has about as much to do with China as freedom of speech. He's a Taiwanese born in America. Not only would Lin's story not have happened if he was born in China, if anything he's a farking traitor to them. He might to face some political flak from China, which he shouldn't give a fark about, but it'd be damn hypocritical of China to openly endorse this guy.


The taiwan-china issue around the lin story is at least as fun as the bay area second guessing. Both beijing and taipei are full of political farkwits though.

Also, the atheist wingnuts would be happier with the communist linsanity coverage than the american linsanity coverage.
 
2012-02-16 10:24:47 AM

dragonchild: H31N0US: As an aside, the most fun guy to watch is Tyson Chandler. He's not just a monster; it's like he enjoys setting picks for Lin and running around because Lin feeds him a few alley-oops a game. I mean, what the fark, a 7'1" center coming out all the way to the perimeter to set a high pick? Yet you can tell he's loving it.


that's the part that has impressed me the most. When is the last time you have seen a Knicks team look like they are having fun out there playing? Chandler, Fields, Stoudemire etc are having fun playing and not worrying about getting their shots in and forcing shots because they know Lin is looking for them. They know if they get open, Lin will feed them the ball. They know if they run the offense, they will be kept a part of the offense instead of standing around while Melo iso's. And the other guys on the team are passing the ball to each other too then.

Compare how much fun Chandler and Fields was having to the King's Cousins' perma-scoul.
 
2012-02-16 10:28:05 AM

ManateeGag: I think this is what the NBA needs right now. in a season that was marred by rich people fighting with other rich people over who gets the bigger piece of the pie, you got this guy who graduated from Harvard, not making a ton of money (less than 1 million dollars), sleeping on teammates' couches. There are no 7 hour specials on where he's going to sign. He's not being accused of rape. He's not running in the stands to beat someone up. He hasn't shot anyone (yet). he's really helping to bring a positive image to the league.


He's not covered with tattoo's and making gang signs or air rifles either.

The best thing the Knicks can do is never let Carmelo Anthony step on the floor in a Knicks uniform ever again. I am dead serious here.
 
2012-02-16 10:28:16 AM

stebain: [a323.yahoofs.com image 460x276]

Pau Gasol - Check
Ricky Rubio - Check
Jose Calderon - Check


The hell?
 
2012-02-16 10:29:55 AM

Arkanaut: Point guard is a skilled position that requires imagination and spontaneity, which the Chinese players haven't demonstrated so far, and which Asians are stereotypically lacking in.


If it's still a stereotype that Asians lack creativity, that's stupid. There are plenty of counterexamples from Japan alone (Nomo, Okajima, Ichiro, Sawa). The Chinese are infamous for lacking creativity, and Lin doesn't do anything to change that because he wasn't raised in China.

What Asians typically lack are size and strength, and China addressed that with eugenics. But in the case of Lin, he was dismissed as a "short, slow Asian geek" (even if no one said so openly). Creativity was never mentioned as an issue. Fact is he's 6'3" and 200 pounds and has beaten a few guys off the dribble.

There's another underlying problem that is being mentioned only in passing -- how teams scout guards is FLAT-OUT WRONG. They have them work in 1-on-1, 2-on-2 and 3-on-3 drills, and measure their physical attributes like strength and quickness. For point guards, timing, decision-making and court vision are far more important. These aren't the sorts of things you can pick up in a damn Combine-style tryout. Everyone was just completely wrong about Lin, and the sick thing is they're justifying it by saying everyone else was too. That's becoming a very disturbing part of American culture these days -- "Sure I was completely wrong and farked things up, but other people did it too so that makes it okay."
 
2012-02-16 10:31:14 AM

dragonchild: As an aside, the most fun guy to watch is Tyson Chandler. He's not just a monster; it's like he enjoys setting picks for Lin and running around because Lin feeds him a few alley-oops a game. I mean, what the fark, a 7'1" center coming out all the way to the perimeter to set a high pick? Yet you can tell he's loving it.


It's a lot easier to get excited about the dirty work when you're rewarded for it. He looked like a shell of himself when they were rolling out scrubs at the point. I'm a big fan of Chandler's game, so it's nice to see him re-energized.
 
2012-02-16 10:35:12 AM

dragonchild: ManateeGag: There are no 7 hour specials on where he's going to sign. He's not being accused of rape. He's not running in the stands to beat someone up. He hasn't shot anyone (yet). he's really helping to bring a positive image to the league.

One could say the same about Paul Pierce.


i294.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-16 10:38:08 AM

mc_madness: I wonder what Floyd Mayweather Jr. has to say about this?


Why are you asking us whether or not you're wondering about this?
 
2012-02-16 10:41:01 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: stebain: [a323.yahoofs.com image 460x276]

Pau Gasol - Check
Ricky Rubio - Check
Jose Calderon - Check

The hell?


The Spanish Olympic team took a team picture, I guess as a joke since it was to be in Beijing, where they all made slanty eyes. I doubt Lin is actually using it as vengeance or anything, but he's gone through beating them.
 
2012-02-16 10:42:04 AM

SlothB77: He's not covered with tattoo's and making gang signs or air rifles either.


???
 
2012-02-16 10:54:00 AM

The Smails Kid: SlothB77: He's not covered with tattoo's and making gang signs or air rifles either.

???


gilbert arenas. air pistols. i don't know what that business is called.

blogs.suburbanchicagonews.com

it wouldn't even be given a second thought if it wasn't for the gun in the locker episode.
 
2012-02-16 11:00:12 AM

FreakinB: I'm 0% Asian, but I'd imagine that someone with an Asian background who grew up here is going to relate more to someone who also grew up here than to someone who grew up in China.


I get that, to an extent. I'm Asian-American myself, so yeah, I see that. But to be honest I more identify with Lin as a geek and do-gooder. "Asian-American" typically means "short geek" to people, and I am, and it's tough for short geeks to be taken seriously at athletics (never mind that Lin is actually rather tall and strong). I honestly think I'd feel the same way if I had no Asian blood in me, just a slow short boring geek who isn't taken seriously.
 
2012-02-16 11:02:06 AM
As much as I love this story, it's all coming to a crashing halt on Sunday when Dirkmania comes to town.
 
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