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2012-02-16 08:27:52 AM
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Well....let's not start...


It's a long way from from producing show to producing GOOD shows.
 
2012-02-16 08:58:43 AM
I suspect HBO isn't terribly concerned, yet.
 
2012-02-16 09:22:51 AM
There's certainly potential here. Netflix just needs a show that gets people talking. For HBO, that show was Oz. If you're not bound up by the morality police, go all out. I would love to have another show like The Sopranos or The Wire to look forward to.

/ twirls fingers waiting for season 2 of Game of Thrones.
 
2012-02-16 09:39:39 AM
FTA: ...new episodes of "Arrested Development" are scheduled for 2013.

Try not to fark it up.
 
2012-02-16 10:20:38 AM

No YOU'RE a Towel: I suspect HBO isn't terribly concerned, yet.


FTFA: The slideshow suggests Netflix could grow as much as three times faster than HBO by licensing more streaming content, adding original programming and improving its website with technology, such as integration with Facebook to let friends know what others are watching.

Dude, it's over. The slideshow has spoken.
 
2012-02-16 11:18:12 AM

alwaysjaded: or The Wire


best show to have ever been on tv.
 
2012-02-16 11:28:20 AM
The company also backed the Kevin Spacey drama "House of Cards," which airs this year.

Remaking House of Cards? Is this going to suck? You might very well think so, I couldn't possibly comment.

static.guim.co.uk
 
2012-02-16 11:32:32 AM
HBO finished 2011 with 93 million subscribers worldwide, including its Cinemax channel, Time Warner Chief Financial Officer John Martin said on a Feb. 8 conference call. Netflix closed 2011 with 24.4 million customers worldwide.

I don't like statistics like this. How many HBO subscribers are still on the "Puchase 2 years of Comcast, get 6 months of movie channels!" type packages? Cable tv is like a gateway drug. "Ohhh I can get the sports package and the movie package for only $29.99 extra a month?! Sweet!"

For the older generation (ones less likely to have new tech) it's much easier to access HBO (1802 on the teevee remote) than Netflix. It's getting easier to access Netflix sure, but until they have their own channels, I don't see them getting as large of a market share.

/Prefer Starz/Showtime to HBO now.
 
2012-02-16 11:38:28 AM

scottydoesntknow: HBO finished 2011 with 93 million subscribers worldwide, including its Cinemax channel, Time Warner Chief Financial Officer John Martin said on a Feb. 8 conference call. Netflix closed 2011 with 24.4 million customers worldwide.

I don't like statistics like this. How many HBO subscribers are still on the "Puchase 2 years of Comcast, get 6 months of movie channels!" type packages? Cable tv is like a gateway drug. "Ohhh I can get the sports package and the movie package for only $29.99 extra a month?! Sweet!"

For the older generation (ones less likely to have new tech) it's much easier to access HBO (1802 on the teevee remote) than Netflix. It's getting easier to access Netflix sure, but until they have their own channels, I don't see them getting as large of a market share.

/Prefer Starz/Showtime to HBO now.



Producing their own shows is exactly what Netflix and Hulu need to do. Who cares about old people? Yeah, they have a lot of money... but middle age techies also have a lot of money, and will have even more in the future. We're sick of cable, we want to watch now, and we want to watch cheap if not free.

A big part of Netflix's problem right now is licensing, they just don't have that many great movies. New releases tend to come out on pay services like Zune or Vudu or whatever. If they have their own shows, not only will they draw their own audience they will reduce their dependence on licensing from Hollywood. Once Hollywood sees that happening they'll pretty much have to make their licensing better, or start to lose their audience to Netflix/Hulu.
 
2012-02-16 11:39:42 AM
Chief Executive Officer Reed Hastings in December described HBO GO, the online offshoot of the cable network, as "the competitor we fear most."


Interesting since in order to use HBO GO, I need to subscribe to a cable TV package($40-120/mo), and then subscribe to HBO($10-20/mo). To use Netflix all I need is an internet connection($0-80/mo which I would have anyway sans netflix), and a Netflix subscription ($7.99/mo)

Since HBO is owned by time warner I doubt they will ever let HBO Go be a standalone subscription service, but they should since more and more people are cutting the cord.
 
2012-02-16 11:41:16 AM
FTA: Netflix, the online movie and TV service based in Los Gatos, California, will have first rights to the series from HBO, the creator of "Weeds," said the person, who wasn't authorized to speak before the deal is announced.

principal caught sayof
 
2012-02-16 11:41:27 AM
Did anybody watch past the third season of Weeds? I liked (not loved) the first three seasons but when it came to the season finale, I thought to myself it was a great way to end the series and never continued it. Can anybody confirm that my original instinct was correct?
 
2012-02-16 11:43:49 AM
from the creator of weeds? i'll pass. that show blows...(huge pothead btw)
 
2012-02-16 11:49:25 AM

keepitcherry: from the creator of weeds? i'll pass. that show blows...(huge pothead btw)


First couple of seasons were very good. Then it all went to pot, because they stopped focusing on pot.
 
2012-02-16 11:50:46 AM
Talk to me when they bring back Firefly with the entire cast. Until then, I'll keep watching Game of Thrones, Luck, Treme (maybe), Boardwalk Empire, Real Time with Bill Maher, and Eastbound and Down.

/still catching up with The Wire, Oz, The Sopranos, Generation Kill, Deadwood, and Flight of the Conchords on HBOGo too.
 
2012-02-16 11:51:31 AM

scottydoesntknow: keepitcherry: from the creator of weeds? i'll pass. that show blows...(huge pothead btw)

First couple of seasons were very good. Then it all went to pot, because they stopped focusing on pot.


What he said. It started out okay and then...then it lost...focus or something. Wait, what?
 
2012-02-16 11:52:38 AM
Netflix need a from the grounds up Sci-fi show
 
2012-02-16 11:53:14 AM

alwaysjaded: There's certainly potential here. Netflix just needs a show that gets people talking. For HBO, that show was Oz. If you're not bound up by the morality police, go all out. I would love to have another show like The Sopranos or The Wire to look forward to.

/ twirls fingers waiting for season 2 of Game of Thrones.


Dresden Files! Done right this time and not that retarded Syphilis crap.,
Sandman Slim series.
Do a post apocalyptic series, something like A boy and his dog.
Hell do a series about Camp Douglass during the Civil War, something along the lines of Deadwood only grimmer with less tits.
 
2012-02-16 11:56:16 AM

Wise_Guy: pricipal


:)
 
2012-02-16 12:00:28 PM

Slaves2Darkness:
Do a post apocalyptic series, something like A boy and his dog.


I would be willing to pay them double if they did this successfully!!
 
2012-02-16 12:01:36 PM
Has anyone here watched Lilyhammer? I saw the trailer and it looked great, but haven't watched any episodes yet.
 
2012-02-16 12:02:15 PM
I'd settle for a streaming queue here in Canada.

1000 percent satisfied with Netflix.

/your puny numbers mean nothing to me, Earthlings. NOTHING.
 
2012-02-16 12:03:56 PM

Kornchex: Talk to me when they bring back Firefly with the entire cast. Until then, I'll keep watching Game of Thrones, Luck, Treme (maybe), Boardwalk Empire, Real Time with Bill Maher, and Eastbound and Down.

/still catching up with The Wire, Oz, The Sopranos, Generation Kill, Deadwood, and Flight of the Conchords on HBOGo too.


So you're the guy.

Between the low-volume mumbling and the horse racing techno-babble I only made it 25 minutes into the first episode.
 
2012-02-16 12:06:54 PM
Netflix should do Firefly. There are few series with as rabid fans as Firefly.

Jericho( was on CBS) would be another.

That would be sweet.
 
2012-02-16 12:10:06 PM

scottydoesntknow: keepitcherry: from the creator of weeds? i'll pass. that show blows...(huge pothead btw)

First couple of seasons were very good. Then it all went to pot, because they stopped focusing on pot.


Yup. I think I got to the beginning of Season 3 when I got tired of it and stopped watching.
 
2012-02-16 12:10:46 PM
A million years ago we would pay a fee for a tv channel that showed premium movies without commercials. Their rates, they would say, would barely cover their expenses.

Now besides the movies they show they also show a lot of self-promotion commercials. And they apparently make enough extra income to allow them to start their own movie studios with writers, equipment and all that goes with it.

But I thought you were barely making ends meet?

/(hates cable with a passion. I (used to) pay to watch commercials that ted turner should be paying my cable company to show to me.
 
2012-02-16 12:13:08 PM

Slaves2Darkness: alwaysjaded: There's certainly potential here. Netflix just needs a show that gets people talking. For HBO, that show was Oz. If you're not bound up by the morality police, go all out. I would love to have another show like The Sopranos or The Wire to look forward to.

/ twirls fingers waiting for season 2 of Game of Thrones.

Dresden Files! Done right this time and not that retarded Syphilis crap.,
Sandman Slim series.
Do a post apocalyptic series, something like A boy and his dog.
Hell do a series about Camp Douglass during the Civil War, something along the lines of Deadwood only grimmer with less tits.


A post apocalyptic series for Netflix would be awesome. If they have a good enough producer they could knock it out of the park since they can go balls out. Make it character driven but have some shock value would get a buzz going.

But HBO does have a steller team over there. All the shows may not be smash hits, but the ones that are get remembered for a long time. I still watch Oz, The Sopranos, and The Wire every so often.
 
2012-02-16 12:13:44 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: The company also backed the Kevin Spacey drama "House of Cards," which airs this year.

Remaking House of Cards? Is this going to suck? You might very well think so, I couldn't possibly comment.

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Nobody could possibly do a better job in that role than Ian Richardson. Certainly not Kevin Spacey. Also, the fact that it's set in the US doesn't help.
 
2012-02-16 12:14:48 PM
Netflix Inc., ratcheting up competition with HBO, will produce 13 episodes of a new comedy series,
Netflix, the online movie and TV service based in Los Gatos, California, will have first rights to the series from HBO,


Say what? The second sentence makes it sound as though the show will air on HBO but Netflix will retain rights to it, yet this isn't indicated anywhere else in the article. If it weren't for that poorly written sentence, I would assume this series will only be available on Netflix. So which is it?
 
2012-02-16 12:15:50 PM
They should turn World War Z into a series.
 
2012-02-16 12:16:07 PM

Slaves2Darkness:
Hell do a series about Camp Douglass during the Civil War, something along the lines of Deadwood only grimmer with less tits.


This is never the answer.
 
2012-02-16 12:16:43 PM

Wayne 985: Has anyone here watched Lilyhammer? I saw the trailer and it looked great, but haven't watched any episodes yet.


I've watched the first 3 episodes and it's pretty good. Be warned though that whenever somebody besides Little Steven is talking it's probably going to be subtitled since it was produced in Norway. Still good you just can't passively watch it is all.
 
2012-02-16 12:17:52 PM

gunga galunga: Did anybody watch past the third season of Weeds? I liked (not loved) the first three seasons but when it came to the season finale, I thought to myself it was a great way to end the series and never continued it. Can anybody confirm that my original instinct was correct?


I watched into about halfway through S5 before losing interest. Mary Louise Parker starts showing her tits more often as the seasons go on, but that's about all it has going for it. Things went into the crapper quality-wise pretty quickly, so you didn't really miss out.
 
2012-02-16 12:19:22 PM

Wayne 985: Has anyone here watched Lilyhammer? I saw the trailer and it looked great, but haven't watched any episodes yet.


I watched it. It was good enough to hold my interest and I watched almost all the episodes back-to-back last week Wednesday. I was disappointed by the final episode, however,as it was somewhat boring for a season finale. Overall, I'd give the show a solid C+.
 
2012-02-16 12:20:16 PM

Dr.Knockboots: alwaysjaded: or The Wire

best show to have ever been on tv.


I just finished marathoning entire series for second time. Best ever, I don't know. Top 10 of all time, probably.

Perfect series finale.
 
2012-02-16 12:29:46 PM

AiryAnne: Dr.Knockboots: alwaysjaded: or The Wire

best show to have ever been on tv.

I just finished marathoning entire series for second time. Best ever, I don't know. Top 10 of all time, probably.

Perfect series finale.


I keep hearing this. I think I might have to start this series.
 
2012-02-16 12:30:20 PM

arschlov: Interesting since in order to use HBO GO, I need to subscribe to a cable TV package($40-120/mo), and then subscribe to HBO($10-20/mo). To use Netflix all I need is an internet connection($0-80/mo which I would have anyway sans netflix), and a Netflix subscription ($7.99/mo)

Since HBO is owned by time warner I doubt they will ever let HBO Go be a standalone subscription service, but they should since more and more people are cutting the cord.


This. I know it would never happen, but it needs to. It's a revenue stream they're completely ignoring.

Though, as a NFLX shareholder, hell with 'em.

/OK fine, just ten shares
//bought at $78
///that was smart (new window)
 
2012-02-16 12:34:19 PM

blackminded: arschlov: Interesting since in order to use HBO GO, I need to subscribe to a cable TV package($40-120/mo), and then subscribe to HBO($10-20/mo). To use Netflix all I need is an internet connection($0-80/mo which I would have anyway sans netflix), and a Netflix subscription ($7.99/mo)

Since HBO is owned by time warner I doubt they will ever let HBO Go be a standalone subscription service, but they should since more and more people are cutting the cord.

This. I know it would never happen, but it needs to. It's a revenue stream they're completely ignoring.

Though, as a NFLX shareholder, hell with 'em.

/OK fine, just ten shares
//bought at $78
///that was smart (new window)


The cable companies would shiat a storm if they and others did that. Why would you need to subscribe to cable if you can get part of what the premium channels offer without having to go through the cable company?
 
2012-02-16 12:35:24 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: I keep hearing this. I think I might have to start this series.


Do it. It received almost universal acclaim for a reason. I usually tell people that have never seen it to start with Season 3, but having rewatched the whole serious again recently you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't start from the beginning and see it all the way through.

It's not an easy show to watch, but it's SO rewarding to people that are paying attention. I got the feeling finishing The Wire that I get when I finish an excellent novel: exhilarated to have experienced it, but pissed that it's over.

/Omar comin'
 
2012-02-16 12:41:31 PM

ongbok: The cable companies would shiat a storm if they and others did that. Why would you need to subscribe to cable if you can get part of what the premium channels offer without having to go through the cable company?


Cable companies are losing subscribers at a accelerating pace. (new window) They've been keeping up with earnings targets by buttfarking their remaining customer base, but that's not a sustainable solution. Neither is lobbying the future away, though that doesn't stop them from trying. (new window)

Cable TV and major content providers need a "Napster/iTunes" moment to wake up and change their model, and I believe that day is coming.
 
2012-02-16 12:49:18 PM

blackminded: ongbok: The cable companies would shiat a storm if they and others did that. Why would you need to subscribe to cable if you can get part of what the premium channels offer without having to go through the cable company?

Cable companies are losing subscribers at a accelerating pace. (new window) They've been keeping up with earnings targets by buttfarking their remaining customer base, but that's not a sustainable solution. Neither is lobbying the future away, though that doesn't stop them from trying. (new window)

Cable TV and major content providers need a "Napster/iTunes" moment to wake up and change their model, and I believe that day is coming.


It won't come. They won't change their business model ever. Instead they will continue to screw their customer base and then try to go after companies that are using new technology to compete with them by trying to sue them out of existence. I can see in the near future one of the cable companies going after Netflix with some type of ridiculous copyright lawsuit.
 
2012-02-16 12:56:30 PM
I'm not feeling any love for Californication in this thread.
 
2012-02-16 12:59:51 PM

She comes in colors everywhere: I'm not feeling any love for Californication in this thread.


Californication = Showtime

Might explain the lack of love...
 
2012-02-16 01:08:58 PM

scottydoesntknow: She comes in colors everywhere: I'm not feeling any love for Californication in this thread.

Californication = Showtime

Might explain the lack of love...


so is weeds
 
2012-02-16 01:12:44 PM

She comes in colors everywhere: scottydoesntknow: She comes in colors everywhere: I'm not feeling any love for Californication in this thread.

Californication = Showtime

Might explain the lack of love...

so is weeds


Touche. Hey take it as a compliment from FARK. As you can see mentioning Weeds brings people who are tired of it very quickly.

/Likes Californication
 
2012-02-16 01:13:27 PM

arschlov: Chief Executive Officer Reed Hastings in December described HBO GO, the online offshoot of the cable network, as "the competitor we fear most."


Interesting since in order to use HBO GO, I need to subscribe to a cable TV package($40-120/mo), and then subscribe to HBO($10-20/mo). To use Netflix all I need is an internet connection($0-80/mo which I would have anyway sans netflix), and a Netflix subscription ($7.99/mo)

Since HBO is owned by time warner I doubt they will ever let HBO Go be a standalone subscription service, but they should since more and more people are cutting the cord.


Yeah, this is the problem. I would pay for just HBOGo. But that option is not available. I only buy basic cable (as part of my internet plan), so getting HBO would be at least another $100 a month for me after I factor due to getting a couple extended teirs first, some cable boxes and finally HBO. I'd be more than willing to pay $10/month or so directly to HBO for their programming in a streaming format.

But the option is not available, so eh, screw em.
 
2012-02-16 01:18:38 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Netflix need a from the grounds up Sci-fi show


The idea is already there. They had an indie film called Monsters that was actually pretty good. It would make a wonderful film.

/so long as they abandon the "two strangers in love" stuff
 
2012-02-16 01:24:56 PM
So why would I pay $1,000,000 to subscribe to HBO (including cable) when I can just rent the damn discs a year or less after the shows air? Same story with Showtime. I've seen almost all of their shows on DVD and haven't subscribed since, like, 1983.

30-day-window? Whatever. Very long wait? Not if I'm 1st in line at the library, suckers.

/and yes, everyone should watch damn The Wire already - one of the few shows worth purchasing
 
2012-02-16 01:30:47 PM

AliceBToklasLives: So why would I pay $1,000,000 to subscribe to HBO (including cable) when I can just rent the damn discs a year or less after the shows air? Same story with Showtime. I've seen almost all of their shows on DVD and haven't subscribed since, like, 1983.

30-day-window? Whatever. Very long wait? Not if I'm 1st in line at the library, suckers.

/and yes, everyone should watch damn The Wire already - one of the few shows worth purchasing


FYI- I scored the entire series of The Wire on eBay for $25. Most TV DVDs end up on eBay in good shape, and cheap. I think people buy them and decide they don't want them taking up the space or they weren't going to watch it again, so for sale it goes!

/got Six Feet Under special edition for $50
 
2012-02-16 01:35:00 PM
Weeds was great then good and then they ran off to wherever the older son's real dad lived.
 
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