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2012-02-16 06:02:58 AM

JunkyJu: No one else gets amusing political spam?

Who said he hasn't done anything?

An impressive list of accomplishments!

First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States .
First President to violate the War Powers Act.
First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico .
First President to defy a Federal Judge's court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law.
First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.
First President to spend a trillion dollars on 'shovel-ready' jobs when there was no such thing as 'shovel-ready' jobs.
First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.
First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.
First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. , including those with criminal convictions.
First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
First President to terminate America 's ability to put a man in space-defunded NASA.
First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.
First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.
First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke-out on the reasons for their rate increases.
First President to tell a major manufacturing company (Boeing) in which State they are allowed to locate a factory.
First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).
First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.
First President to fire an ...


You're a retard. We have seen what GOP people do to the economy. We've been seeing it for most of the last 30 years.

Thanks GOP, for putting the government in debt and telling us it was ok.
Thanks GOP, for selling the American people the idea that debt = wealth.
Thanks GOP, for taking a once robust economy, siphoning all the money out of the middle class, shipping their jerbs to China, all so that people like Romney can tie their dog to the roof as it shiats in terror, but it's ok because his kids have 100 million dollar trust funds.

You know, job creators. Snort.

You are a bad person. A terrible sub human, and only capable of herp and derp.
 
2012-02-16 06:07:51 AM
Well of course there has been more "spending" with Obama in power.

Do you honestly think it's all Yub Yub dances and glowing Jedi ghosts after you topple an evil tyrant? Or perhaps that's when the real work begins to restore the New Republic.

Wait, we're talking about Star Wars, right?

/Red 5 standing by!
 
2012-02-16 06:09:56 AM

neongoats: You're a retard. We have seen what GOP people do to the economy. We've been seeing it for most of the last 30 years.

Thanks GOP, for putting the government in debt and telling us it was ok.
Thanks GOP, for selling the American people the idea that debt = wealth.
Thanks GOP, for taking a once robust economy, siphoning all the money out of the middle class, shipping their jerbs to China, all so that people like Romney can tie their dog to the roof as it shiats in terror, but it's ok because his kids have 100 million dollar trust funds.

You know, job creators. Snort.

You are a bad person. A terrible sub human, and only capable of herp and derp.


I may be wrong, but I think that was posted tongue-in-cheek.
 
2012-02-16 06:13:40 AM
Republican mouth pieces: cheered on the arsonist. Suddenly became very concerned about what the fire would do once the arsonist left. Blames the Fire Department for the blaze because the arsonist has long gone (it's their fire now).
 
2012-02-16 06:19:11 AM

Smoking GNU:
By your logic, if i crash my car, then sell it to someone and just patched over all the obvious problems, if he turns around and tells me i sold him a heap of junk cause it was crashed and wants a refund, i can just tell him it's his car now, so he crashed it due to his crappy driving skills, no fault of mine whatsoever, since you own the car now.


Sorry, this could be rephrased better. A better analogy would be:

If I buy a car and treat it like crap for 8 years, barely changing the oil, not replacing any worn-out parts, going on high-mileage trips in the last year of my ownership, then I sell it to you. You suddenly are in possession of a car that is limping along. You have to put a lot of work into it to even keep it running, but when you mention it's poor running condition to me, I shrug and say *Well, I treated my car nice when I had it. Why don't you?"

Again, sorry... just needed to clean it up. I hate bad analogies.
 
2012-02-16 06:33:57 AM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: soy_bomb: Judging from the comments so far, its amazing how powerless and ineffective Obama has been in the eyes of his supporters.

/1,000+ days since the Democratic controlled Senate passed a budget

The big difference between the criticisms of the former supporters of Obama (of which I'm one) and the herpderp right wingers is that our criticism is valid. Morons like you are afraid of soshializums and communests while we're concerned about the ongoing oligarchy of which Obama's either supportive of or captured by.


Little news for ya sparky... you're just as derpy as as the herpderp right wingers.
 
2012-02-16 06:46:34 AM

bugontherug: neongoats: You're a retard. We have seen what GOP people do to the economy. We've been seeing it for most of the last 30 years.

Thanks GOP, for putting the government in debt and telling us it was ok.
Thanks GOP, for selling the American people the idea that debt = wealth.
Thanks GOP, for taking a once robust economy, siphoning all the money out of the middle class, shipping their jerbs to China, all so that people like Romney can tie their dog to the roof as it shiats in terror, but it's ok because his kids have 100 million dollar trust funds.

You know, job creators. Snort.

You are a bad person. A terrible sub human, and only capable of herp and derp.

I may be wrong, but I think that was posted tongue-in-cheek.


I know the first long list of email fwd's was meant to be funny, but I can't tell if the reply was meant to be funny. I wanted to post a "hooked" picture, but was worried I'd be the "hooked" one.
 
2012-02-16 06:49:21 AM

NFA: Yes, submitter we're all well aware of the cost of cleaning up Republican economic disasters.


Thread over in one.
 
2012-02-16 06:53:08 AM
Reagan increases debt cleaning up after Carter = Bad

Obama increases debt cleaning up after Bush = Derp.
 
2012-02-16 06:54:54 AM

LeoffDaGrate: Smoking GNU:
By your logic, if i crash my car, then sell it to someone and just patched over all the obvious problems, if he turns around and tells me i sold him a heap of junk cause it was crashed and wants a refund, i can just tell him it's his car now, so he crashed it due to his crappy driving skills, no fault of mine whatsoever, since you own the car now.

Sorry, this could be rephrased better. A better analogy would be:

If I buy a car and treat it like crap for 8 years, barely changing the oil, not replacing any worn-out parts, going on high-mileage trips in the last year of my ownership, then I sell it to you. You suddenly are in possession of a car that is limping along. You have to put a lot of work into it to even keep it running, but when you mention it's poor running condition to me, I shrug and say *Well, I treated my car nice when I had it. Why don't you?"

Again, sorry... just needed to clean it up. I hate bad analogies.


yeah, thanks for clearing it up, was typing in a hurry.
Is more accurate the way you say it, just looses the Total Derpage the GOP spews every time the subject is broached (by them).
 
2012-02-16 06:55:28 AM

jso2897: NFA: Yes, submitter we're all well aware of the cost of cleaning up Republican economic disasters.

Thread over in one.


Yep. Now STFU and GBTW to pay for GWBs 8 years of war that was never put on the federal budget. WMDs indeed.
 
2012-02-16 07:05:27 AM
ds615: This is kinda sad. I get the impression that the people in this thread actually think the president has any sort of impact on these things.
People can't really be that stupid...can they?


Presidents can only have a negative impact, and then only Democrats.
 
2012-02-16 07:05:42 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: ImpendingCynic: jjorsett: TheShavingofOccam123: What was the unemployment rate and other economic conditions Obama inherited?

7.8% unemployment the day he was inaugurated. Gasoline @1.60. Deficit 459 billion.

Yes, gas was $1.60 or so in January 2009, after mysteriously dropping from $4.00 in July 2008... then it just as mysteriously climbed back up. That couldn't possibly have been intended to influence the election or something.

Why, certainly two big oil men from Texas would never collude with oil companies to keep gasoline prices at favorable levels. Favorable, that is, to two big oil men from Texas and the oil companies. Fark Joe Blow who's just trying to put food on the table and his kids through school. (Mrs. Blow works nights.)


Oh come on all 3 of you. Gas prices bottomed out when the market collapsed in the fall of 2008 due to overzealous trading of petrol options. It was part of an entire market collapse. There are too many players in the oil market to collude gas prices down to 1.60.
Whenever someone complains that "Gas prices have doubled under Obama." All I can say is "Good," it shows the economy is recovering. While it may "hurt" it shows the ability for people to pay that amount. Supply and Demand and all that.
 
2012-02-16 07:11:17 AM
I LOOOOOVE the Obamapologists. It was Bush that did the spending!!! RAWR!!!! Obama didn't do any of that!!!

Obama CONTINUED HIS POLICIES. He is doing the exact same as Bush... Get a grip and stop whining
 
2012-02-16 07:15:08 AM
All these graphs that indicate Obama contributed less to our debt are based on savings projected into his second term after racking up massive debt in the first.

Hes already working on the excuse for when those savings dont materialize.
 
2012-02-16 07:15:20 AM

Kittypie070: THIS THREAD YET AGAIN??

FARK.


problem? ;D
 
2012-02-16 07:16:35 AM
WHY YOU RUIN ECONOMY FARBONGO!!? WHY?!
 
2012-02-16 07:16:59 AM
My wife is from Korea. If her country just cut, cut, cut spending and did not invest in itself (which does cost money) they would still look just a step above North Korea. You do have tio invest in yourself which does cost money. Instead though I think we stack the deck in favor of a very few people. These people care about their own pockets first, second and third. Our companies raced to send our jobs over to China or India and stil are when we need the work back home. Its all for more and more profits..... If my wife's countries companies did that, first their CEQ would most likely be in prison right now, and they would not have the economy they have now.... take care of your home first.

We do need to stop thinking like global police. Its killing us economically.
 
2012-02-16 07:18:01 AM

quizzical: Are some people still ignoring the fact that Obama put the cost of two wars officially in the budget, as opposed to leaving it off the books in special funding requests?


Don't be mislead. The wars might have been in "special funding requests" , but the costs added to the debt each year. So they are included in the $1.6t growth in the debt under Bush.

And to those of you who dismiss TFAs question with your "b b b Bush's policies" are missing the point. Obama promised to cut the deficit but hasn't. He's done things (stimulus spending, unemployment extensions, payroll tax cuts, extending bush tax cuts) that he could have not done if he were serious about his promise and about he burden being passed to "our children".

He's a better president than Bush and he's better than any of the clowns running on the GOP side this year, but that's no reason not to a) hold him accountable and b) want him to address the deficit
 
2012-02-16 07:26:28 AM

muck4doo: AmorousRedDragon: muck4doo: The funniest part of that is you believe your own bullshiat.

Right back at you, tin foil.

And you too.

/Tin foil. LOL!
//You should take your act on a comedy circuit
///It would fit in with your Obama is awesome schtick


I take it you have "fap to santorum" parties with lowell &random? Who do you honestly believe could do a better job? The bigot, the magic underwear guy or the adulterer?
 
2012-02-16 07:35:44 AM
LOL, nobody cares
 
2012-02-16 07:37:10 AM

SN1987a goes boom: Snowflake Tubbybottom: lilbjorn: The Bush tax cuts for the rich

Tax cuts for who again?

[i788.photobucket.com image 475x318]

You do realize that given that the "rich" represent a much smaller fraction of the population than the "middle class" then proportionally, the tax cuts favored the rich heavily, right?


Is that how we work budgets now or do we use actual numbers? But by your method you must also agree that since the middle class make so much less and received 3 times the amount the rich did they actually could have taken a larger percentage their income (I believe they did, used to have that graph also).

Mrtraveler01: So you agree that they made the deficit worse right?


Short answer:yes. Longer answer: only in so much as he and congress vastly increased spending. More accurate answer: increasing spending and cutting revenue when you already run a deficit can only increase the deficit. But how does that mean that when Obama increases spending and reduces revenue its a good thing?
 
2012-02-16 07:38:17 AM
NEONTOOLBAG
Obviously, you are not intelligent enough to recognize sarcasm.

I wish I could explain to you how moronic it is to blindly support any politician, but it would simply be a waste of time.
You, apparently, have no concept of common sense and you just believe what you are spoon fed.
Good luck with that.
 
2012-02-16 07:42:44 AM
I always love these.

Please show me which Obama policies have added $5 Trillion to the national debt

I'll wait.
 
2012-02-16 07:54:19 AM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: More accurate answer: increasing spending and cutting revenue when you already run a deficit can only increase the deficit.


You should tell that to the Republicans. I don't think they knew how that worked for the past decade.
 
2012-02-16 07:55:13 AM

Kittypie070: THIS THREAD YET AGAIN??

FARK.


I've been saving this for a while for you.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-02-16 08:11:39 AM
It's amazing how few people working in the media understand basic math. Someone needs to sit Cafferty down and explain to him that when revenues fall and claims on government programs rise (which is what happens in a Depression), then the gov will end up having to borrow a lot of money to cover its obligations independent of any change in policy. Yearly tax receipts - lost tax revenue - social outlays - loans to cover basic operating costs = less money. Obama's policy decisions are superfluous to he fact that subtraction does, in fact, subtract.
 
2012-02-16 08:11:52 AM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: But how does that mean that when Obama increases spending and reduces revenue its a good thing?


It doesn't. I just get tired of the myth that somehow we can reduce the deficit and not increase taxes in some form, let alone cutting them.
 
2012-02-16 08:12:35 AM

Heron: Obama's policy decisions are superfluous to the fact that subtraction does, in fact, subtract.



bah. Stupid Keyboard; stupid eyes
FTFM
 
2012-02-16 08:14:10 AM

NewportBarGuy: If your own policies suck, just lie about the other guy.


^ Gentlemen, ladies; I present to you the Republican Party Mantra since 1970.
 
2012-02-16 08:17:05 AM

brantgoose: If Obama were to listen to Republicans more rather than less, he would make HIS greatest mistake. I fear he may.


I'd say he already did that when he and his team ignored the advice of Krugman and those like him punting for a much larger stimulus plan, then spent the next two years thinking that if they just said it was working perfectly often enough people would suddenly start ignoring the fact that they were unemployed and homeless.
 
2012-02-16 08:21:50 AM

DozeNutz: Obama CONTINUED HIS POLICIES. He is doing the exact same as Bush... Get a grip and stop whining


He is? Which two countries did Obama occupy under false pretenses again?
 
2012-02-16 08:22:28 AM

Olympus Mons: My wife is from Korea. If her country just cut, cut, cut spending and did not invest in itself (which does cost money) they would still look just a step above North Korea. You do have tio invest in yourself which does cost money. Instead though I think we stack the deck in favor of a very few people. These people care about their own pockets first, second and third. Our companies raced to send our jobs over to China or India and stil are when we need the work back home. Its all for more and more profits..... If my wife's countries companies did that, first their CEQ would most likely be in prison right now, and they would not have the economy they have now.... take care of your home first.

We do need to stop thinking like global police. Its killing us economically.


A good point. Even when we give US corps what they want, like when Obama instituted a temporary tax holiday for oversea profits, what do US corps do? Not invest in hiring or expanding capacity, oh no; they convert the windfall into slightly higher dividends for stockholders and massive bonuses for the guys at the top. There are many problems with the US economic and political system right now, and one of them is the Randian, "I got mine, fark you, Buddy" philosophy treated as Gospel by our managerial class.
 
2012-02-16 08:28:26 AM

quizzical: Are some people still ignoring the fact that Obama put the cost of two wars officially in the budget, as opposed to leaving it off the books in special funding requests?


What budget? Hard to put the wars on budget when there is none.
 
2012-02-16 08:29:03 AM

randomjsa: I always love the "Bush Tax Cuts" being used as a scapegoat.

Obama knows, just as Warren Buffet knows, that even if we taxed every single dollar made by every person in the United States making more than 10 million dollars a year (roughly 8200 people) that would be 250~ billion dollars.

So go ahead, raise taxes on them, in fact, take everything they make for a year...

You're going to get the other 3.2-3.5 trillion dollars for Obama's new budget from... where? The point is even if you taxed those people at 100% it still wouldn't be enough to pay for everything, and Obama knows this... He either knows this, or he's stupid.

That goes for the rest of you by the way: You either know this, or you're stupid.

But this is what we've come to expect. 100% of the time anything goes wrong or is in any way negative, it's ALWAYS Bush's fault... Always. ALWAYS. There are NO exceptions. 100% of the time anything goes right or is in any way positive, it's ALWAYS because of Obama... Always! No exceptions!

The magic continues... Everything is the last guys fault, blame him, it's his problem, we didn't do it, not our fault... No sir... Oh wait, are things getting better now? Well just ignore the fact that we've been saying "Everything" was the last guys fault, because clearly now all of a sudden this can only be attributed to Obama.


Other folks have responded well enough to your policy idiocy, I just felt like pointing out to you that the great thing about a managed deficit, as Hamilton laid out 250 goddamn years ago, is that you don't have to pay it all off all at once. You can, in fact, do just fine -even better!- by just making the interest payments when they come due instead of by trying to pay it all off as quickly as possible. A good plan that slowly pays down debt without sacrificing the health of the private sector or throwing all of your public sector employees into the street is a far better solution than the draconian contraction of "Austerity Economics", particularly in regards to Depression-caused deficits, all of which result from a loss in tax-revenue and tend to be cured by a rise in the same as the economy recovers. As such getting the economy to recover should be our top priority.
 
2012-02-16 08:30:07 AM

NFA: Yes, submitter we're all well aware of the cost of cleaning up Republican economic disasters.


Over. In. One.
 
2012-02-16 08:33:24 AM

TIKIMAN87: NFA: Yes, submitter we're all well aware of the cost of cleaning up Republican economic disasters.

You are a dumb ass piece of shiat you know that?


Hit a nerve eh?

Bush started two wars, handed out tax cuts, and had the recession humming along before Obama ever set foot in the White House.

But don't let facts get in the way of your raging hate-on.
 
2012-02-16 08:36:36 AM

jaytkay: Bush started with a booming economy and a budget surplus.


It's like liberals live in a fantasy world... Dot... Com.... I'll let you finish.
 
2012-02-16 08:39:03 AM
If we would just eliminate capital gains taxes entirely, the budget would be balanced, Jesus would come down from heaven, and everyone would get a pony.

How many ponies has Obama provided in his first term?

ZERO
 
2012-02-16 08:39:10 AM

Tickle Mittens: lilbjorn: Yeah, let's see . . .
- Two Bush wars
- The Bush tax cuts for the rich
- The Bush recession

Yep, that Obama sure ran up the deficit.

Forgot massive give away to pharmacuticle companies who then quit making leukemia medication for children.


Awww someone doesn't realize that all the fda red tape makes cost to entry in genetics prohibitively expensive. About 2 years to start a new factory.
 
2012-02-16 08:41:06 AM

namatad: Teufelaffe: TIKIMAN87: NFA: Yes, submitter we're all well aware of the cost of cleaning up Republican economic disasters.

You are a dumb ass piece of shiat you know that?

Are you suggesting that the economic situation that Obama inherited had nothing to do with the Republicans? If that's what you're claiming, I would like to nominate you for the Dumb Ass Piece of Shiat of the Year® award, because that belief certainly would put you in front running.

EVERYONE knows that DEMocrat presidents get blamed for bad things and anything good must have been because of the GOP still around.

The GOP is taking "credit" for any job growth by arguing that it is the GOP controlled house that made the jobs. All the while saying that all the debt is President Obama's FAULT.

bwhahahahahahahahaahahah


Not just the House, but also the Republican governors. That's right; the guys firing all the teachers, cutting social service budgets, and stumbling in to massively expensive fights with unions are the ones helping the economy.
 
2012-02-16 08:47:37 AM

GAT_00: Basically, yes the national debt is $6.6T higher. While most of it was added while Obama was President, it is almost all Bush policies that are actually responsible.


Obama, 6 months before leaving office: bbbbbbut Buuuuuush.

Its all his fault, including the trillion dollar giveaway and the health care miscarriage.
 
2012-02-16 08:47:46 AM

MyRandomName: Tickle Mittens: lilbjorn: Yeah, let's see . . .
- Two Bush wars
- The Bush tax cuts for the rich
- The Bush recession

Yep, that Obama sure ran up the deficit.

Forgot massive give away to pharmacuticle companies who then quit making leukemia medication for children.

Awww someone doesn't realize that all the fda red tape makes cost to entry in genetics prohibitively expensive. About 2 years to start a new factory.


When in fact, anybody who wants to should be able to start a factory. So-called "safety regulations" to ensure the "purity" and "effectiveness" of "medication" that could "kill thousands" is a bunch of crap. I mean, when has the industry ever had to recall a product because it was making customers drop like flies?

COMMON SENSE people. Putting up a pharmaceutical factory should be like throwing up a pole barn. Ya bring in the bulldozers, ya pour in some cement, ya get da walls up, an' a roof, ya wheel in some thingamajiggers an' then yer creatin' jobs!
 
2012-02-16 08:48:06 AM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: madden101: What I've gotten out of reading the posts in this thread thus far:

"libtards:" charts showing the math about how costs were incurred during Bush's presidency
Republicans: "bullshiat" and "all the libtards who posted before me can't accept the truth"

So, geez, libtards! Just, come on already! I mean, what, can't you see? It's so obvious, I shouldn't have to tell you, because you just should know. But wait, you don't, because you're libtards. Burrrrrn!

You know the right wingers are proud of being inaccurate, right?


Awww. It's so cute that in one thread liberals like yourself yell spending starts in the house, but then you try and use charts where the only variable is the president in others! When did congress switch dem again? Who extended the bush tax cuts. Who increased unemployment length. Who increased government spending to 24% of gdp? All these questions show why those charts are partisan obfuscation.
 
2012-02-16 08:52:12 AM

Zoophagous: randomjsa: I always love the "Bush Tax Cuts" being used as a scapegoat.

Obama knows, just as Warren Buffet knows, that even if we taxed every single dollar made by every person in the United States making more than 10 million dollars a year (roughly 8200 people) that would be 250~ billion dollars.

So go ahead, raise taxes on them, in fact, take everything they make for a year...

You're going to get the other 3.2-3.5 trillion dollars for Obama's new budget from... where? The point is even if you taxed those people at 100% it still wouldn't be enough to pay for everything, and Obama knows this... He either knows this, or he's stupid.

That goes for the rest of you by the way: You either know this, or you're stupid.

But this is what we've come to expect. 100% of the time anything goes wrong or is in any way negative, it's ALWAYS Bush's fault... Always. ALWAYS. There are NO exceptions. 100% of the time anything goes right or is in any way positive, it's ALWAYS because of Obama... Always! No exceptions!

The magic continues... Everything is the last guys fault, blame him, it's his problem, we didn't do it, not our fault... No sir... Oh wait, are things getting better now? Well just ignore the fact that we've been saying "Everything" was the last guys fault, because clearly now all of a sudden this can only be attributed to Obama.

The Bush tax cut were not restricted to people with incomes over 10 million dollars.

When you start with a faulty premise your argument is truly invalid.

Honest ignorance or willful deception?


And yet only fringe democrats are asking for the full bush tax cuts to expire. Obamas new budget only expires the top bracket, about 40 billion a year in his budget. Are you honestly ignorant? Or willful deception?
 
2012-02-16 08:52:58 AM

winterwhile: who said we should fire him

if he did not 1/2 the debt

oh....... Obama????????



Shut up, child. Adults are talking.
 
2012-02-16 08:53:42 AM

Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: You're going to get the other 3.2-3.5 trillion dollars for Obama's new budget from... where? The point is even if you taxed those people at 100% it still wouldn't be enough to pay for everything, and Obama knows this... He either knows this, or he's stupid.

Of course he knows this. Which is why he proposes a mixture of spending cuts in addition to these proposed tax increases. You know, like how every other country in the world is handling this.

But of course you're a dishonest partisan hack so why should we expect anything more from you?


Half his spending cuts are things already coming off the books; Iraq war and deficit commision. Cbo does not count those as cuts, only retard liberals do.
 
2012-02-16 08:56:28 AM

OhioUGrad: winterwhile: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Remember how the GOP kept the cost of imperialism off the balance sheet? Yeah, about that...

yea... who ran congress???? when that happened??? Nancy???????

wow, I didn't know democrats controlled congress during the start of both wars and the passage of the trillion dollar medicare part D

/facts, how do they work?


What were the vote splits on those 2 programs again? Oops... Pesky reality interjects again.
 
2012-02-16 09:14:08 AM
Geez so many Republican intellectuals in this thread. Love how you guys hide like cockroaches when it comes to your parties debates and primaries. I guess its better than defending Bush for 8 years then changing screen names.

I know when I think about answering fiscal crisis, a Republican is the first person I would go to.

/then do the opposite
 
2012-02-16 09:33:20 AM

cameroncrazy1984: themeaningoflifeisnot: guess what I don't understand is why Obama gets a complete pass on the deficit just because the mess was created by Bush. Granted, Obama didn't cause this massive deficit. But he did campaign in 2008 on the claim that he was the best man to bring down the debt (yes, I know that's different than the deficit

A) The deficit has been lower in 2010 and 2011. So he is bringing it down. And B) Republicans now control the House. It's on THEM to pass a budget.


So the deficits for 2006-2009 are the democrats responsibility. Bookmarked for next thread when you blame bush.
 
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