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(Kens 5 San Antonio)   Elderly homeowner shoots man in head for stealing potted plant from his yard. Thief survives, gets arrested. Shooter faces no charges because, in Texas, keeping people off your lawn is serious business   (kens5.com) divider line 457
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2012-02-15 06:36:29 PM  
I'm OK with this.
 
2012-02-15 07:21:26 PM  

dj_bigbird: I'm OK with this.

 
2012-02-15 08:51:40 PM  
One neighbor found herself in the middle of the gunfire and says at first she didn't think it was real until she smelled the gunpowder. "He had a stance as if he was Dirty Harry. Like come back here or I'm going to shoot you again," said Andrea Lebron.

shut up b*tch, you should have peace of mind that a man is defending his potted plants and not worry about you and your family being subject to random gunfire flying around the neighborhood.
 
2012-02-15 08:56:20 PM  
Subby is a pussy!
Come on to my land...I'm a better marksman...just try.
 
2012-02-15 09:06:53 PM  

all the good names are gone: dj_bigbird: I'm OK with this.

 
2012-02-15 09:11:28 PM  
A lot of horticulture enthusiasts in this thread.
 
2012-02-15 09:13:20 PM  

sweetmelissa31: A lot of horticulture enthusiasts in this thread.


lul
 
2012-02-15 09:16:52 PM  
This thing usually happens over planted pot.
 
2012-02-15 09:30:08 PM  
Meh, guy was a thief
 
2012-02-15 09:30:24 PM  
What the fark is wrong with you people? You justify opening fire like this as self defense. There was no need for self defense here. This guy was just an asshole. He should be arrested for attempted murder.
 
2012-02-15 09:31:27 PM  

GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people?


To some people property is worth more than another person's life.
 
2012-02-15 09:32:29 PM  

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people?

To some people property is worth more than another person's life.


Yeah, well I'm not a Republican.
 
2012-02-15 09:33:21 PM  

GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people? You justify opening fire like this as self defense. There was no need for self defense here. This guy was just an asshole. He should be arrested for attempted murder.


THis is an old man. What may seem excessive to you may be justifiable for him due to his infirmities.
 
2012-02-15 09:40:35 PM  

cman: GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people? You justify opening fire like this as self defense. There was no need for self defense here. This guy was just an asshole. He should be arrested for attempted murder.

THis is an old man. What may seem excessive to you may be justifiable for him due to his infirmities.


How can you justify shooting someone who was not threatening you? That is simply homicide.
 
2012-02-15 09:45:09 PM  
I live in Texas and I would appreciate it if you respect my personal space. Or I'll shoot you dead.
 
2012-02-15 09:45:18 PM  

GAT_00: cman: GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people? You justify opening fire like this as self defense. There was no need for self defense here. This guy was just an asshole. He should be arrested for attempted murder.

THis is an old man. What may seem excessive to you may be justifiable for him due to his infirmities.

How can you justify shooting someone who was not threatening you? That is simply homicide.


so..they just get to steal whatvr they want then?
 
2012-02-15 09:45:25 PM  

GAT_00: cman: GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people? You justify opening fire like this as self defense. There was no need for self defense here. This guy was just an asshole. He should be arrested for attempted murder.

THis is an old man. What may seem excessive to you may be justifiable for him due to his infirmities.

How can you justify shooting someone who was not threatening you? That is simply homicide.


Castle doctrine.
 
2012-02-15 09:45:58 PM  
Okay? And?
 
2012-02-15 09:46:25 PM  

GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people? You justify opening fire like this as self defense. There was no need for self defense here. This guy was just an asshole. He should be arrested for attempted murder.


Have you never lost a ficus?
 
2012-02-15 09:47:40 PM  
GAT_00: How can you justify shooting someone who was not threatening you? That is simply homicide

Castle Law State. In addition, you have no duty to retreat in Texas - meaning you can shoot someone dead on your property and it's perfectly legal.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/SB00378F.htm
 
2012-02-15 09:48:06 PM  

cman: all the good names are gone: dj_bigbird: I'm OK with this.

 
2012-02-15 09:48:15 PM  
As a CCW holder, even I find it appalling to boomheadshot someone who is RETREATING after stealing a damn plant and some other items. Should have gotten his license plate and let pros handle it.

Breaking into his house? Dead crook.
Purloined poinsettia? Not so much.
 
2012-02-15 09:48:43 PM  
How not to be shot in the head by and elderly man in Texas.
1. Don't be a thief
2. Repeat step 1

/tough shiat
 
2012-02-15 09:48:45 PM  

sprawl15: Castle doctrine.


Requires threat to be valid. You can't be threatened by someone running away and justify using lethal force. See Tennessee v. Garner that expressly forbade police from doing the exact same thing.
 
2012-02-15 09:49:02 PM  
That plant 'tied' the whole yard together.
 
2012-02-15 09:49:14 PM  

"Officers caught up to the suspect at the Cabana Apartments, where he lives. He told officers that he had just finished dropping his kids off at school when he was shot in the head."


Although he could not explain where or how he got that arrow to his knee.

 
2012-02-15 09:50:09 PM  

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people?

To some people property is worth more than another person's life.


Not the property per se, but rather the time spend working to acquire the money to purchase said property.

Stealing my stuff is akin to stealing from me the time I spent working to pay for it.

Combine that with the fact that it's really easy to choose NOT to steal other people's stuff and I'm OK with this.
 
2012-02-15 09:51:14 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: This thing usually happens over planted pot.


I would like to give you a hearty +1 for this comment!
 
2012-02-15 09:51:22 PM  

MoeSzyslak: How not to be shot in the head by and elderly man in Texas.
1. Don't be a thief
2. Repeat step 1

/tough shiat


AS IT SHOULD BE
 
2012-02-15 09:51:29 PM  

cman: GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people? You justify opening fire like this as self defense. There was no need for self defense here. This guy was just an asshole. He should be arrested for attempted murder.

THis is an old man. What may seem excessive to you may be justifiable for him due to his infirmities.


So as long as I can justify it in my mind, that makes me right to act?

It's a potted plant.

Does the thief deserve punishment? Yes, of course.
But should the homeowner be allowed to play the role of judge, jury, and executioner? fark no.

This is why I have a problem with how Castle Doctrine works in a few states like Texas. I have no issue with lethal force being used to defend someones life or if they belief the their means them or others in physical harm. I have no problem with lethal force being used if the thief is inside, or trying to get inside your home. I think there is a major problem when death seems like an acceptable answer to taking mere property while not once threatening anyone in a lethal or physical way.

kvinesknows: so..they just get to steal whatvr they want then?


Of course not, but there are laws and methods in place that deal with theft every day across the world. Few of them involve killing someone over a $20 plant.
 
2012-02-15 09:52:14 PM  
Wouldn't have gotten shot if he hadn't of trespassed on private property and tried to steal some shyte.


FARK that motherfarker.
 
2012-02-15 09:52:16 PM  

GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people? You justify opening fire like this as self defense. There was no need for self defense here. This guy was just an asshole. He should be arrested for attempted murder.


First you call it attempted murder (which it clearly was not under the state statute) and then you call it homicide when no actual murder took place. Which is it, Pollyanna? Given that you can't seem to figure out that the article said "other items" without detailing what those other items are, you have zero basis to claim that his actions weren't justified.

Also, he was shot in the "head area" and it wasn't even a real hit, merely a graze. We also don't know the caliber of weapon that was fired. It could have been a .22 which is only slightly larger than your average sized pellet round.

/Texan
//Guns are only tools. If having one makes you feel ten feet tall, best let someone else carry it.
 
2012-02-15 09:52:26 PM  

GAT_00: Requires threat to be valid.


In Texas, unlawful entry with force is considered basis enough for reasonable action by the landowner.
 
2012-02-15 09:52:38 PM  

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people?

To some people property is worth more than another person's life.


Were you referring to the thief or the home owner?
 
2012-02-15 09:53:01 PM  
Officers caught up to the suspect at the Cabana Apartments, where he lives. He told officers that he had just finished dropping his kids off at school when he was shot in the head.

Wait so the only evidence that they have is that the shooter said he was stealing it? Nobody else saw it? He wasn't near the potted plants at the time?

Also, it was the time of day where people were dropping their children off from school on a neighborhood that has several children. The average hand gun fires at 800-1500 feet per second. He shot four rounds and only hit the guy once. Etc.
 
2012-02-15 09:53:12 PM  

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people?

To some people property is worth more than another person's life.


Some people are not worth anything at all.
 
2012-02-15 09:53:20 PM  
GAT_00: sprawl15: Castle doctrine.

Requires threat to be valid. You can't be threatened by someone running away and justify using lethal force. See Tennessee v. Garner that expressly forbade police from doing the exact same thing.


Civilians are not held to the same legal standard as trained police officers when it comes to self defense. In addition, as I understand the Texas law, all the shooter has to do is believe with reasonable certainty that the perpitrator will commit an act of violence against him, or another person, if given the chance to, and he's covered.
 
2012-02-15 09:53:21 PM  
Damn, I am torn.

/Hate Dirtbags
//Love the castle doctrine
//Hate agreeing with Gat
///But unless the guy was attempting to get in his house or someones life was in danger, probably should have just been a good witness and called the cops....
 
2012-02-15 09:53:51 PM  

GAT_00: cman: GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people? You justify opening fire like this as self defense. There was no need for self defense here. This guy was just an asshole. He should be arrested for attempted murder.

THis is an old man. What may seem excessive to you may be justifiable for him due to his infirmities.

How can you justify shooting someone who was not threatening you? That is simply homicide.


easy, you just don't lead 'em so much
 
2012-02-15 09:54:33 PM  
People have a right to defend their property. If someone is actively stealing from you, you can intervene. Deadly force might be a bit much, but shooting him in the face seems like a risk he was willing to take.
 
2012-02-15 09:54:42 PM  

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people?

To some people property is worth more than another person's life.


this sums it up, i think.
 
2012-02-15 09:55:29 PM  
This...and orange juice.
I REFUSE to buy anything that isn't a multiple of 32 anymore. freaking 59oz this and 29oz that...
Everytime I see them trying to scam us with a few ounces short, I want to letter-bomb them
 
2012-02-15 09:55:52 PM  

BronyMedic: In addition, as I understand the Texas law, all the shooter has to do is believe with reasonable certainty that the perpitrator will commit an act of violence against him, or another person, if given the chance to, and he's covered.


Not even that. From your link:

The actor's belief that the force was immediately necessary as described by this subsection is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:
(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the force was used:
(A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;
[snip]
(2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and
(3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used.
 
2012-02-15 09:56:05 PM  

kvinesknows: GAT_00: cman: GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people? You justify opening fire like this as self defense. There was no need for self defense here. This guy was just an asshole. He should be arrested for attempted murder.

THis is an old man. What may seem excessive to you may be justifiable for him due to his infirmities.

How can you justify shooting someone who was not threatening you? That is simply homicide.

so..they just get to steal whatvr they want then?


this is what liberals believe.

they're all siver spoon sucking douchebags who never had to earn their way from the bottom. Daddy's money helped them avoid the kind of experiences that make a man defend his hard work. To them, work is never hard, so they can never understand.

fark you, subby
 
2012-02-15 09:56:15 PM  
CapnBlues: WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: What the fark is wrong with you people?

To some people property is worth more than another person's life.

this sums it up, i think.


The old saying holds true: What's legal is not always right.
 
2012-02-15 09:56:16 PM  

pedrop357: Not the property per se, but rather the time spend working to acquire the money to purchase said property.

Stealing my stuff is akin to stealing from me the time I spent working to pay for it.

Combine that with the fact that it's really easy to choose NOT to steal other people's stuff and I'm OK with this.


The problem is the other issues it opens up.
If you can just kill someone you see on your property who is not threatening you in any way, where is the line drawn?
If I ring your doorbell to ask you a question, are you justified in coming out shooting? Why not? I'm trespassing. I'm violating something you spent time working on. What if on my way to your door I step on your prized flower? Does that justify killing me?
I mistake your house for a friends house who asked me to take care of his prized potted plant while he was away. I get the address wrong and instead of my friends house, I end up at his neighbors house with the old man. Picking up the potted plant and bringing it back to my home, I'm comforted with someone coming at me with a gun. My first reaction is to get away from him. Does that justify my death?

When we open up the ability for people to execute over simple property crimes, where is the line drawn and how is it justified?
 
2012-02-15 09:56:23 PM  
not a csb:

many years ago a Jersey girl i know was married w/ child in TX. almost done with law school at the time. hubby & her hit rough relation times, were in the first days of being separated.

the night she blew his brains out she told police she thought it was someone breaking in. no charges, no nothing.

on the upside, a total doosh childhood bully i knew was murdered in the AM hours working at a gas station in TX. that one made me smile.
/total doosh once put a gun to my head, so F him.
 
2012-02-15 09:56:23 PM  
In Texas, can you shoot a child that jumps the fence to retrieve his ball? Real question
 
2012-02-15 09:57:45 PM  

GAT_00: sprawl15: Castle doctrine.

Requires threat to be valid. You can't be threatened by someone running away and justify using lethal force. See Tennessee v. Garner that expressly forbade police from doing the exact same thing.


Get reading the Texas statutes. If you were standing on a street and saw a man steal a pack of gun, you could shoot him in the back from 100 yards away. Legally.
 
2012-02-15 09:57:49 PM  

CarrieWhite: In Texas, can you shoot a child that jumps the fence to retrieve his ball? Real question


That wouldn't be entry with force. A kid jumping in to steal your ball? Depends on the kid's skin color.
 
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