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(MLive.com)   Marshall Faulk thinks Matthew Stafford is overrated because "everybody throws for 5,000 yards now," if by "everybody" you mean a total of 4 quarterbacks in the history of the NFL   (mlive.com) divider line 148
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2012-02-15 01:13:27 PM
Stafford is pretty damn far from overrated. He's an asshole who plays dirty whenever he gets the chance, but he's damn good. Tough as hell too.
 
2012-02-15 01:18:40 PM
The thing I remember most about Stafford is that game (against the Browns? Bengals?) where he has his shoulder severely messed up, demands to be let back in the game (sneaking past the trainers), and throws the game-winning TD pass.
 
2012-02-15 01:31:23 PM

Jubeebee: He's an asshole who plays dirty whenever he gets the chance


Remember when that was the whole POINT of the league?
 
2012-02-15 01:37:59 PM
Not checking facts or defending Faulk, but didn't 3 QBs have 5000+ yards passing this past season? Wasn't Eli only about a hundred yards short?
 
2012-02-15 01:41:57 PM

Mateorocks: Not checking facts or defending Faulk, but didn't 3 QBs have 5000+ yards passing this past season? Wasn't Eli only about a hundred yards short?


Yes. How does that contradict the headline, exactly?
 
2012-02-15 01:52:15 PM
ya know, sometimes, when someone says something, there is more of a general meaning to what is said than the anal clinching details some people want to hang on their words.
 
2012-02-15 01:53:11 PM
Even if everyone was throwing for 5000 yards, that man does it on the Lions...

/although having Megatron helps
//he also does it with minimal run game and an offensive line that really isn't that great
 
2012-02-15 01:53:40 PM
I am going to assume he is exaggerating about the state of the league where defenses have all of these rules about "defending" passes and not hitting the qb ever.... Eventually, 5k per year could be the norm..
 
2012-02-15 01:58:02 PM

Jubeebee: Stafford is pretty damn far from overrated. He's an asshole who plays dirty whenever he gets the chance, but he's damn good. Tough as hell too.


How does a QB play dirty? Examples please? This just isn't making sense to me.
 
2012-02-15 01:59:43 PM
Throwing for 5,000 isn't nearly as impressive as it used to be. But that doesn't mean that it's not at all impressive, or that Stafford is overrated.
 
2012-02-15 02:03:38 PM

SirCodeAlot: Jubeebee: Stafford is pretty damn far from overrated. He's an asshole who plays dirty whenever he gets the chance, but he's damn good. Tough as hell too.

How does a QB play dirty? Examples please? This just isn't making sense to me.


All I can point to is his face-mask tackle on...Knox maybe? Then running like a biatch when Knox (if that's who it was) objected.

That whole game was a train wreck.
 
2012-02-15 02:03:43 PM

ha-ha-guy: Even if everyone was throwing for 5000 yards, that man does it on the Lions...

/although having Megatron helps
//he also does it with minimal run game and an offensive line that really isn't that great


I'm no Lions fan, but now that they've made the playoffs I think it's time to drop the "it's the Lions" mentality. We can all pick on the Jaguars or something.
 
2012-02-15 02:04:30 PM
What a legitimate reason to think Stafford is overrated might look like...

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2012-02-15 02:04:43 PM
"Throwing for 5,000 yards in the NFL right now is nothing," Faulk said. "I don't want to take anything away from it."

So it's nothing, but you don't want to take anything away from it?
 
2012-02-15 02:05:35 PM

FreakinB: ha-ha-guy: Even if everyone was throwing for 5000 yards, that man does it on the Lions...

/although having Megatron helps
//he also does it with minimal run game and an offensive line that really isn't that great

I'm no Lions fan, but now that they've made the playoffs I think it's time to drop the "it's the Lions" mentality. We can all pick on the Jaguars or something.


How about the Browns? They are pretty bad, but I kind of feel bad for the city of Cleveland.
 
2012-02-15 02:07:54 PM
Why is it that the sports pundits who know the least about sports are almost always former athletes?
 
2012-02-15 02:11:57 PM

machoprogrammer: FreakinB: ha-ha-guy: Even if everyone was throwing for 5000 yards, that man does it on the Lions...

/although having Megatron helps
//he also does it with minimal run game and an offensive line that really isn't that great

I'm no Lions fan, but now that they've made the playoffs I think it's time to drop the "it's the Lions" mentality. We can all pick on the Jaguars or something.

How about the Browns? They are pretty bad, but I kind of feel bad for the city of Cleveland.


Yeah, I figured we should lay off of them.
 
2012-02-15 02:12:23 PM

FreakinB: Throwing for 5,000 isn't nearly as impressive as it used to be. But that doesn't mean that it's not at all impressive, or that Stafford is overrated.


That. Stafford isn't overrated inasmuch as the Lions are. 4-0 against the AFC West. 2-2, against the NFC South (with a very close call against Cam Newton), 0-2 to Green Bay, 1-1 against the Bears, and just barely 2-0 against a Minnesota team splitting time between McNabb and a rookie.

And a head coach who's really happy the Jets held onto Rex Ryan so people won't pay attention to his douchiness.
 
2012-02-15 02:18:12 PM

SirCodeAlot: Jubeebee: Stafford is pretty damn far from overrated. He's an asshole who plays dirty whenever he gets the chance, but he's damn good. Tough as hell too.

How does a QB play dirty? Examples please? This just isn't making sense to me.


Look up "Stafford Bears face mask" on Google.
 
2012-02-15 02:18:46 PM
Calvin Johnson is a free agent next year. Is there ANY way he won't get the franchise tag and/or work out a new deal and can come join the 49ers? Also, I would like a naked Mila Kunis to be delivered to my front door. Oh, and lots of bacon.

God, I love living in reality....
 
2012-02-15 02:26:05 PM
Loved Faulk as a player. But as a human being and an NFL analyst he....comes up a few yards short.
 
2012-02-15 02:30:34 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Loved Faulk as a player. But as a human being and an NFL analyst he....comes up a few yards short.


He is just another brain damaged moron who sacrificed his body, his health, and his intelligence to make millions of dollars. Don't we wish we all could be so lucky.
 
2012-02-15 02:32:47 PM
Everybody?
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Still trying to throw for 2000 yards.
 
2012-02-15 02:34:16 PM

SirCodeAlot: How does a QB play dirty? Examples please? This just isn't making sense to me.




Split right. All curl. On one. (new window)
 
2012-02-15 02:35:35 PM
Drew Stanton would have 5,000 yards too throwing to Calvin Johnson all day long.

Gonna be fun seeing where Megatron ends up in free agency...
 
2012-02-15 02:38:05 PM

FreakinB: ha-ha-guy: Even if everyone was throwing for 5000 yards, that man does it on the Lions...

/although having Megatron helps
//he also does it with minimal run game and an offensive line that really isn't that great

I'm no Lions fan, but now that they've made the playoffs I think it's time to drop the "it's the Lions" mentality. We can all pick on the Jaguars or something.


The Onion's already on it: 'Roger Goodell Backs Off Expansion Talk After Being Reminded Of Jacksonville Jaguars' (new window).
 
2012-02-15 02:38:36 PM

rjakobi: SirCodeAlot: Jubeebee: Stafford is pretty damn far from overrated. He's an asshole who plays dirty whenever he gets the chance, but he's damn good. Tough as hell too.

How does a QB play dirty? Examples please? This just isn't making sense to me.

Look up "Stafford Bears face mask" on Google.


If that's the same play I'm thinking of, wasn't Moore holding Stafford on the play? If so, I don't see how you can call Stafford dirty for one play while failing to point out that Moore was just as dirty on that play and was also thrown out of the game.
 
2012-02-15 02:42:02 PM

FreakinB: I'm no Lions fan, but now that they've made the playoffs I think it's time to drop the "it's the Lions" mentality. We can all pick on the Jaguars or something.


time for my first ever THIS.

/Lions fan.
 
2012-02-15 02:43:03 PM

downstairs: Jubeebee: He's an asshole who plays dirty whenever he gets the chance

Remember when that was the whole POINT of the league?


Yes, yes I do

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2012-02-15 02:43:54 PM
Faulk just hates quarterbacks. Especially Gino Torretta.
 
2012-02-15 02:44:38 PM
Marshall Faulk is a dumb ass. One too many hits to the dome.
 
2012-02-15 02:46:14 PM
Another pissy, whiny IN MAH DAY thread and nothing on Linsanity going for another hilarious chapter last night? Come on, now.
 
2012-02-15 02:49:03 PM
Link (new window)

To Hell with Georgia
 
2012-02-15 03:05:15 PM

ha-ha-guy: Even if everyone was throwing for 5000 yards, that man does it on the Lions...

/although having Megatron helps
//he also does it with minimal run game and an offensive line that really isn't that great


most impressive part? He did it despite not facing the Lions secondary.
 
2012-02-15 03:06:10 PM

robsul82: Another pissy, whiny IN MAH DAY thread and nothing on Linsanity going for another hilarious chapter last night? Come on, now.


if that was Tim Tebow, we'd have had a dozen threads by now. But Jeremy Lin: crickets.
 
2012-02-15 03:08:22 PM

SlothB77: ha-ha-guy: Even if everyone was throwing for 5000 yards, that man does it on the Lions...

/although having Megatron helps
//he also does it with minimal run game and an offensive line that really isn't that great

most impressive part? He did it despite not facing the Lions secondary.


The football version of the "Felix Hernandez didn't get to face his own shiatty offense" argument. And it's a damn good one.
 
2012-02-15 03:08:29 PM

robsul82: Another pissy, whiny IN MAH DAY thread and nothing on Linsanity going for another hilarious chapter last night? Come on, now.


Meh, just pissed that football used to be grittier. Of course, IN MAH DAY the Saints sucked... so there's plenty for me to like about today's game.
 
2012-02-15 03:10:49 PM
I haven't watched enough of Stafford to decide whether he's overrated, but having Megatron certainly doesn't hurt. I imagine any QB would prefer a receiver who can catch anything 5 feet over his head rather than someone you have to hit right on the hands.

As far as the 5,000 yards number is concerned: 2012 will be interesting to see whether a full offseason benefits the defenses, or if the overall trend continues to aid the passing game. With more calls made against LBs and the secondary for "dangerous" hits on defenseless receivers and such, that gives the offense a greater chance of completing passes over the middle and, importantly, picking up some decent YAC. I've heard that, in the past, many receivers were terrified to run crossing routes, knowing they'd get their bells rung by stronger, heavier players the moment the ball arrived. Now, it's not as risky. And when Tom Brady can surpass Marino's old mark without a true elite receiver, that should be a sign. Same for two QBs fresh out of college who can succeed throwing the ball--Newton even surpassed 4,000 yards. In fact, out of the 99 times a QB has surpassed that same mark, 10 occurred this past year. 25 total from 2009-2011. In fact, we only need to go back 8 seasons to cut the list in half. So I guess Marshall is technically incorrect for stating that "everybody" throws for 5,000 yards now, but if you take it as hyperbole, then he may have a point.
 
2012-02-15 03:11:12 PM
What I know is that he put up massive points in FF last year.
 
2012-02-15 03:13:02 PM
Stafford is likely the Dan Marino of the next generation. The entire team is built around him, he throws all of the time because the ground game sucks, and he'll probably never be in a superbowl. Then again, he's only 23, so he has another 10+ years ahead of him.
 
2012-02-15 03:14:40 PM

SlothB77: if that was Tim Tebow, we'd have had a dozen threads by now. But Jeremy Lin: crickets.


And time to bask in Linsanity is now, not later, considering Melo will return soon and the Knicks offense can revert back to standing around watching Melo iso and settle for a contested 20 footer.
 
2012-02-15 03:21:22 PM

madden101: I haven't watched enough of Stafford to decide whether he's overrated, but having Megatron certainly doesn't hurt. I imagine any QB would prefer a receiver who can catch anything 5 feet over his head rather than someone you have to hit right on the hands.

As far as the 5,000 yards number is concerned: 2012 will be interesting to see whether a full offseason benefits the defenses, or if the overall trend continues to aid the passing game. With more calls made against LBs and the secondary for "dangerous" hits on defenseless receivers and such, that gives the offense a greater chance of completing passes over the middle and, importantly, picking up some decent YAC. I've heard that, in the past, many receivers were terrified to run crossing routes, knowing they'd get their bells rung by stronger, heavier players the moment the ball arrived. Now, it's not as risky. And when Tom Brady can surpass Marino's old mark without a true elite receiver, that should be a sign. Same for two QBs fresh out of college who can succeed throwing the ball--Newton even surpassed 4,000 yards. In fact, out of the 99 times a QB has surpassed that same mark, 10 occurred this past year. 25 total from 2009-2011. In fact, we only need to go back 8 seasons to cut the list in half. So I guess Marshall is technically incorrect for stating that "everybody" throws for 5,000 yards now, but if you take it as hyperbole, then he may have a point.


It certainly showed this year. You'd see the high powered offenses running a crossing route on 3rd downs, and the QBs would throw the ball high so the receiver would time his jump to essentially make the pass un-defendable to anyone who didn't know the route. 10 years ago that would work once and the next time they tried it the defender would just spear the guy in mid-air and send him out of the game. Now the defenders are resigned to trying to press the guy to throw the timing off, or stand there and wait for the guy to come down with the ball and then try to limit it to "just a first down".
 
2012-02-15 03:23:02 PM

Killer Cars: SlothB77: if that was Tim Tebow, we'd have had a dozen threads by now. But Jeremy Lin: crickets.

And time to bask in Linsanity is now, not later, considering Melo will return soon and the Knicks offense can revert back to standing around watching Melo iso and settle for a contested 20 footer.


The NBA is Faantasstic...
 
2012-02-15 03:23:19 PM
Is it safe to say that QBs aren't getting roughed up as much as they used to back in the late 70's and 80's?
 
2012-02-15 03:23:36 PM

SlothB77: ha-ha-guy: Even if everyone was throwing for 5000 yards, that man does it on the Lions...

/although having Megatron helps
//he also does it with minimal run game and an offensive line that really isn't that great

most impressive part? He did it despite not facing the Lions secondary.


Indeed. Even doubly so since with the Lions shiat secondary, it became clear the team had to throw to catch up in the 2nd half. So teams were dropping 7 or pass blitzing the hell out of him and he still got 5k.
 
2012-02-15 03:25:13 PM
Having an elite reciever certainly makes a big difference. Randy Moss carried Daunte Culpepper to the pro-bowl. I watched Staffard in a few games this year. Not saying he's an A list quarterback, but he's well above average. Give him a few years and see how he evolves. Brady began his career as an effective game manager riding a monster defense and developed into the elite passer that we see today. And he's still Eli's biatch. In conclusion, Staffard is a far better QB than any prospect the Lions might find to replace him. I epxect him to be starting in Detroit for the next decade.
 
2012-02-15 03:25:53 PM
For those of you who want to make Megatron the reason he's so good: I'll give you partial credit.

The Lions play on a whole other plane. Between the TE and WR position, almost everyone on their team is 6' 5 or so and can go up and grab balls against most defenders in the league (exception being Titus Young - and he makes some pretty nice catches). Stafford throws a lot of balls high on purpose because of this. That being said, I don't see Stovall or Toliver replacing Megatron any time soon.

It will be interesting to see if the Lions go all patrioty over the next few years with guys like Cliff Avril, Calvin Johnson, etc and whether they resign or move on.
 
2012-02-15 03:27:58 PM

Killer Cars: SlothB77: if that was Tim Tebow, we'd have had a dozen threads by now. But Jeremy Lin: crickets.

And time to bask in Linsanity is now, not later, considering Melo will return soon and the Knicks offense can revert back to standing around watching Melo iso and settle for a contested 20 footer.

 
2012-02-15 03:30:06 PM

Jubeebee: Stafford is pretty damn far from overrated. He's an asshole who plays dirty whenever he gets the chance, but he's damn good. Tough as hell too.


Are we talking about the same guy here? Matt Stafford, the Lions quarterback? How, exactly, does a quarterback play dirty?
 
2012-02-15 03:35:08 PM
Who cares what a has been thinks? After all, it wasn't like he did anything special. Everybody rushes for 10,000 yards and has 5,000 in receiving these days.
 
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