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(New York Magazine)   Obama to donors: "I know you are upset, but this time I promise you that we will have real change if you reelect me"   (nymag.com) divider line 122
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2012-02-15 11:37:42 AM
And Hollywood is angry at Obama for not supporting the anti-piracy legislation, which Google and other tech giants opposed in a very big way.

Oh boo-farking-hoo Hollywood. You had a great run with a monopoly and legislation written specifically to let you keep printing cash, but those days are over.
 
2012-02-15 12:12:07 PM
I voted for some change ..and it's kinda strange, it's all I got in my pocket.
I bought a few L.E.D's, now I'm growin some trees, and it's a sweet farkin hustle so don't knock it.
 
2012-02-15 12:21:44 PM
I'm sure there is more money for him to gain in Google than to lose in Hollywood.
 
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2012-02-15 12:51:17 PM
James!: I'm sure there is more money for him to gain in Google than to lose in Hollywood.

I got to shake his hand when he visited Google before the last election. People were pretty well fawning over him. It was quite a scene.

I think now people realize that he's a politician, and their altruistic notions were misguided.
 
2012-02-15 01:00:52 PM
Better message:" If you are lucky, I won't throw the election and let whatever inbred idiot wins the GOP nomination become President".

Seriously, the GOP has effectively erased any doubt I had over where my vote was going.
 
2012-02-15 01:03:07 PM
This is a stupid talking point that's only out there because the only alternative would be to talk about how Obama has had a relatively successful presidency.

Newsflash: candidates ALWAYS promise way more than they (or anyone) could deliver in a single term.

Economy: back on track
Healthcare: semi-reformed
Gays in the military: fabulous
Environment: Keystone XL'ed

Sure I wish he'd have made good on all his promises, but I recognize that he can only do so much, and what he has done is an incredible feat in light of the retardedness of this current legislative session.
 
2012-02-15 01:03:42 PM
wee:
I think now people realize that he's a politician, and their altruistic notions were misguided.


In his defense, while he's dropped the ball on most of the less quantitative social issues like transparency, privacy, federal research funding in general, education, and the 4th amendment, he's been knocking it out of the park on foreign policy execution and has made some pretty significant attempts on health care, alt energy funding specifically, alleviating the symptoms of the recession, finally knocking out our dated and stupid anti-gay military policy, etc.

Basically, as politicians go, he's not half bad.
 
2012-02-15 01:05:42 PM
Fubini: This is a stupid talking point that's only out there because the only alternative would be to talk about how Obama has had a relatively successful presidency.

Newsflash: candidates ALWAYS promise way more than they (or anyone) could deliver in a single term.

Economy: back on track
Healthcare: semi-reformed
Gays in the military: fabulous
Environment: Keystone XL'ed

Sure I wish he'd have made good on all his promises, but I recognize that he can only do so much, and what he has done is an incredible feat in light of the retardedness of this current legislative session.


But he hasn't waited 5 days before signing bills! WHY HASN'T HE KEPT THAT MOST IMPORTANT OF PROMISES? What does this say about the man?
 
2012-02-15 01:07:26 PM
Fubini: This is a stupid talking point that's only out there because the only alternative would be to talk about how Obama has had a relatively successful presidency.

And if you read the article you'd see they are talking about things like SOPA, which are costing him support from Hollywood. Umm, I don't recall him campaigning on cracking down on internet piracy.
 
2012-02-15 01:07:32 PM
We don't need the money from those elite 1%ers in Hollywood and Wall St.? Good he's not taking it, that's the anti-corporate change we expected.

/Good news for Iran, too, I suspect.
 
2012-02-15 01:07:44 PM
Fubini:
Environment: Keystone XL'ed


Keystone's probably happening anyhow, isn't it? My impression is that what failed was the attempt to fast-track it, once the end of the normal safety review is finished in 2013 it's still going forward, as was the original plan before the GOP decided that a 6-month acceleration was worth sacrificing their remaining credibility over.
 
2012-02-15 01:07:57 PM
Oh, how I wish I had voted for McCain instead. He would have fixed everything. Now, America is RUINED thanks to Obama's Kenyan Voodoo Trickery.

This time I'll be sure to cast my highly non-partisan and independent vote for Rick Santorum - the only man who can save us from the sexy scourge of gay buttsex. The thought of all those homos all sweaty and grinding on each other just makes my skin crawl. I can see it now. Sometimes it's all I see. Rick will focus on man-on-leatherman gay sex in hearing after hearing. Sometimes the hearings will go all night. It's long, hard work, but necessary.
 
2012-02-15 01:08:37 PM
GameSprocket: Seriously, the GOP has effectively erased any doubt I had over where my vote was going.

This. Even if I wasn't already more liberal than anyone running, what are my other options? A plutocrat, a theocrat, or various nuts, any of which would be beholden to a bunch of teatards.
 
2012-02-15 01:09:04 PM
Jim_Callahan: wee:
I think now people realize that he's a politician, and their altruistic notions were misguided.

In his defense, while he's dropped the ball on most of the less quantitative social issues like transparency, privacy, federal research funding in general, education, and the 4th amendment, he's been knocking it out of the park on foreign policy execution and has made some pretty significant attempts on health care, alt energy funding specifically, alleviating the symptoms of the recession, finally knocking out our dated and stupid anti-gay military policy, etc.

Basically, as politicians go, he's not half bad.


Sure, Obama tackled healthcare. Like the new provisions? Hell, even as a Libertarian I would have preferred universal single payer healthcare over the individual mandate.

What about ending discrimination against those who have gender identity issues? They still can't serve
 
2012-02-15 01:09:35 PM
MindStalker: Fubini: This is a stupid talking point that's only out there because the only alternative would be to talk about how Obama has had a relatively successful presidency.

And if you read the article you'd see they are talking about things like SOPA, which are costing him support from Hollywood. Umm, I don't recall him campaigning on cracking down on internet piracy.


Oh yea, and it states he may get less donations from investors for cracking down on Wall Street.
Still, not things he campaigned on people!
 
2012-02-15 01:10:31 PM
Rapmaster2000: Oh, how I wish I had voted for McCain instead. He would have fixed everything. Now, America is RUINED thanks to Obama's Kenyan Voodoo Trickery.

This time I'll be sure to cast my highly non-partisan and independent vote for Rick Santorum - the only man who can save us from the sexy scourge of gay buttsex. The thought of all those homos all sweaty and grinding on each other just makes my skin crawl. I can see it now. Sometimes it's all I see. Rick will focus on man-on-leatherman gay sex in hearing after hearing. Sometimes the hearings will go all night. It's long, hard work, but necessary.


801/10
 
2012-02-15 01:11:37 PM
Jim_Callahan: Fubini:
Environment: Keystone XL'ed

Keystone's probably happening anyhow, isn't it? My impression is that what failed was the attempt to fast-track it, once the end of the normal safety review is finished in 2013 it's still going forward, as was the original plan before the GOP decided that a 6-month acceleration was worth sacrificing their remaining credibility over.


Yeah, it wasn't the environment that won as did Western Nebraska agricultural interests.

Anyway, there's already three Canadian tar sand piplelines to the US and two more under construction to the Gulf. Keystone XL might not be constructed because it simply isn't necessary. We're currently running a glut of WTI in the Gulf as it is and they're considering pipelines to ship it north.
 
2012-02-15 01:12:16 PM
Jim_Callahan: wee:
I think now people realize that he's a politician, and their altruistic notions were misguided.

In his defense, while he's dropped the ball on most of the less quantitative social issues like transparency, privacy, federal research funding in general, education, and the 4th amendment, he's been knocking it out of the park on foreign policy execution and has made some pretty significant attempts on health care, alt energy funding specifically, alleviating the symptoms of the recession, finally knocking out our dated and stupid anti-gay military policy, etc.

Basically, as politicians go, he's not half bad.


Goddamnit, I read this as not half black.
 
2012-02-15 01:13:35 PM
I donated to Obama last week. Here is why...

GDP performance during the Obama Administration has gone into positive growth.
thecentristword.files.wordpress.com

US stock markets performance during the Obama Administration...
DOW in 01/20/2009: 7,949.09
DOW in 02/08/2012: 12,883.95
Rate of Return: 62.08%

S&P in 01/20/2009: 805.22
S&P in 02/08/2012: 1,349.96
Rate of Return: 67.65%

NASDAQ in 01/20/2009: 1,440.86
NASDAQ in 02/08/2012: 2,915.86
Rate of Return: 102.37%


Private jobs hemorrhage slowed down during the Obama Administration and eventually went into positive territory.
assets.democrats.org

Unemployment rate has been trending down now during the Obama Administration.

One year trend...
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During the Obama Administration...
www.washingtonpost.com

Read all about it...

Private-sector job growth biggest in 3 years (new window)

Stealth signs of a stronger job market (new window)

Biggest unemployment rate improvement in nearly 28 years (new window)

Small businesses ramp up jobs (new window)

Jobs: 2 hopeful signs (new window)

The unemployment rate fell to 8.3%. That is the lowest since February 2009 (new window)

Stealth jobs boom: 6 months, 2 million jobs (new window)


If you are unemployed or underemployed, you don't have a 4 year degree (or higher) and blame Obama for your situation, then maybe you should get a college degree. It is not the Gov's fault you don't have the necessary skills to compete in today's world. The Gov can even help you pay for it (via loans, grants, GI Bill etc).
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Average weekly paychecks have improved.
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Inflation has not gone up.
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Your taxes have not gone up since Obama took office. This was a rooted fear from Tea Partiers. Take a look at a Forbes article written by Bruce Bartlett, a self-described fiscal conservative...
Forbes: Tea partiers confused, taxes 'lower by every measure' under Obama (Cutting to a new window)
 
2012-02-15 01:13:41 PM
cman: Jim_Callahan: wee:
I think now people realize that he's a politician, and their altruistic notions were misguided.

In his defense, while he's dropped the ball on most of the less quantitative social issues like transparency, privacy, federal research funding in general, education, and the 4th amendment, he's been knocking it out of the park on foreign policy execution and has made some pretty significant attempts on health care, alt energy funding specifically, alleviating the symptoms of the recession, finally knocking out our dated and stupid anti-gay military policy, etc.

Basically, as politicians go, he's not half bad.

Sure, Obama tackled healthcare. Like the new provisions? Hell, even as a Libertarian I would have preferred universal single payer healthcare over the individual mandate.

What about ending discrimination against those who have gender identity issues? They still can't serve


Where is that explicitly stated?
 
2012-02-15 01:14:40 PM
cman: Hell, even as a Libertarian I would have preferred universal single payer healthcare over the individual mandate.

wat?
 
2012-02-15 01:15:20 PM
Anti_illuminati: cman: Hell, even as a Libertarian I would have preferred universal single payer healthcare over the individual mandate.

wat?


Forced corporatism is an evil thing
 
2012-02-15 01:16:05 PM
"Besides, have you seen the assholes that are lining up to run against me?"
 
2012-02-15 01:17:14 PM
cman: Anti_illuminati: cman: Hell, even as a Libertarian I would have preferred universal single payer healthcare over the individual mandate.

wat?

Forced corporatism is an evil thing


You must get your panties in quite a twist when you have to pay for car insurance too, huh?
 
2012-02-15 01:17:30 PM
When people biatch about Obama have they actually looked at the competition?!
 
2012-02-15 01:17:54 PM
cman: Sure, Obama tackled healthcare. Like the new provisions? Hell, even as a Libertarian I would have preferred universal single payer healthcare over the individual mandate.

Well, admittedly the overall compromise is somewhat poorly-thought out in constitutional terms, but I give him half a point for trying for reform and actually getting something that is more or less budget-balanced and an improvement over the existing system, albeit to a small degree.

What about ending discrimination against those who have gender identity issues? They still can't serve

They can't? When did this happen? I guess I'm saying [citation needed] in the form of a genuine question rather than sarcasm here, because I did not think this was the case.
 
2012-02-15 01:18:49 PM
cman: even as a Libertarian I would have preferred universal single payer healthcare over the individual mandate.

I think almost everyone would, including Obama. But everyone knew that wouldn't stand a chance of passing in today's climate.
 
2012-02-15 01:19:21 PM
Anti_illuminati: cman: Anti_illuminati: cman: Hell, even as a Libertarian I would have preferred universal single payer healthcare over the individual mandate.

wat?

Forced corporatism is an evil thing

You must get your panties in quite a twist when you have to pay for car insurance too, huh?


You can opt not to drive. Technically, you can't opt not to live.
 
2012-02-15 01:19:32 PM
Anti_illuminati: cman: Anti_illuminati: cman: Hell, even as a Libertarian I would have preferred universal single payer healthcare over the individual mandate.

wat?

Forced corporatism is an evil thing

You must get your panties in quite a twist when you have to pay for car insurance too, huh?


Maybe he lives in NH
 
2012-02-15 01:19:49 PM
what he was going to say: img1.fark.net
that it will actually happen: img1.fark.net
 
2012-02-15 01:22:38 PM
The unemployment numbers are nice. But the worker participation rate has also dropped about 5 points since Obama came into office. In other words, if you don't get a job fast enough, you're no longer counted as unemployed.

If that wasn't adjusted that would be reporting 15% unemployment. But 8.something sounds a lot better.

They also don't count food and energy in inflation. Gone to the grocery store or gas station lately?
 
2012-02-15 01:22:47 PM
Lsherm:
You can opt not to drive. Technically, you can't opt not to live.


Well, you can, but not legally, suicide laws being what they are.
 
2012-02-15 01:23:41 PM
Lsherm: Anti_illuminati: cman: Anti_illuminati: cman: Hell, even as a Libertarian I would have preferred universal single payer healthcare over the individual mandate.

wat?

Forced corporatism is an evil thing

You must get your panties in quite a twist when you have to pay for car insurance too, huh?

You can opt not to drive. Technically, you can't opt not to live.


If there was a point there, I missed it.
 
2012-02-15 01:25:14 PM
Headso: Anti_illuminati: cman: Anti_illuminati: cman: Hell, even as a Libertarian I would have preferred universal single payer healthcare over the individual mandate.

wat?

Forced corporatism is an evil thing

You must get your panties in quite a twist when you have to pay for car insurance too, huh?

Maybe he lives in NH


Or, if not, could move there.
 
2012-02-15 01:26:41 PM
I'd vote for Ahriman before I'd vote for Romney, Santorum, or Gingrich.
 
2012-02-15 01:27:09 PM
Lsherm: Anti_illuminati: cman: Anti_illuminati: cman: Hell, even as a Libertarian I would have preferred universal single payer healthcare over the individual mandate.

wat?

Forced corporatism is an evil thing

You must get your panties in quite a twist when you have to pay for car insurance too, huh?

You can opt not to drive. Technically, you can't opt not to live.



But you can opt not to live in the US. Then you wouldn't have to worry about it. As a bonus you would probably get single payer, assuming you moved to a first world nation.
 
2012-02-15 01:27:40 PM
This time the glass is half-white.
 
2012-02-15 01:29:38 PM
When he claim that his change was to make it easier for people to find information on government websites you know that he doesn't even believe in what he has done.
 
2012-02-15 01:29:39 PM
He was elected president, not Messiah or King.

He is the chief executive and can't control the legislature. I'm still pretty sure that Congress makes all the laws.

Now, the following things are all executive branch actions that Obama is responsible for:
Ending Iraq war - Bush broke many promises to withdraw, Obama just did it.
Hunted down and killed OBL
Waged an effective conflict in Libya and didn't screw up Tunisia and Egypt.
Has managed the PIIGS problem as best he can - this could be much worse.
Has driven US exports up, beating his own double in five years timetable.
Allowed women into more roles in the US military.
Gotten original investments back from TAARP banks and automakers.
Surged in Afghanistan - not sure yet if good or bad.
Isn't pissing off our allies, except maybe Israel. But they treat the US like their own personal lapdog, so fark them.
 
2012-02-15 01:32:08 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: When he claim that his change was to make it easier for people to find information on government websites you know that he doesn't even believe in what he has done.

Mind trying again?
 
2012-02-15 01:33:15 PM
Lsherm: Anti_illuminati: cman: Anti_illuminati: cman: Hell, even as a Libertarian I would have preferred universal single payer healthcare over the individual mandate.

wat?

Forced corporatism is an evil thing

You must get your panties in quite a twist when you have to pay for car insurance too, huh?

You can opt not to drive. Technically, you can't opt not to live.


Damn. And there was me planning on spending the year dead for tax purposes.

/hot
//black
 
2012-02-15 01:35:08 PM
Anti_illuminati: If there was a point there, I missed it.

Car insurance is only required if you own a car. Owning a car is not a right.

I don't agree with his politics, but he does have a point about this.
 
2012-02-15 01:36:49 PM
TheGreatGazoo: The unemployment numbers are nice. But the worker participation rate has also dropped about 5 points since Obama came into office. In other words, if you don't get a job fast enough, you're no longer counted as unemployed.

If that wasn't adjusted that would be reporting 15% unemployment. But 8.something sounds a lot better.

They also don't count food and energy in inflation. Gone to the grocery store or gas station lately?


What does that have to do with losing Hollywood money because of not supporting SOPA?
 
2012-02-15 01:37:42 PM
MrEricSir: Anti_illuminati: If there was a point there, I missed it.

Car insurance is only required if you own a car. Owning a car is not a right.

I don't agree with his politics, but he does have a point about this.


According to most conservative, including Libertarians, neither is health care.
 
2012-02-15 01:38:11 PM
hugram: I donated to Obama last week. Here is why...

Those are all Bush's fault, and why wouldn't they be? Everything else that has happened since January 20th 2009 certainly was...

Oh wait, I forgot, 100% of all negative economic indicators and economic news are attributable to Bush, with zero exceptions while 100% of all positive economic indicators and news are attributable to Obama with exceptions.

Your ability to post charts based on numbers that the Obama administration has screwed with in an unprecedented fashion is also noted.

If the economy is improving, why was 2011 one of the worst years for new housing sales? if the economy is improving, why are a record number of people on food stamps? If the economy is improving why is the average duration of unemployment at a near record high? If the economy is improving, why are there six million fewer jobs than when the recession started? If the economy is improving, why are a record number of people living in extreme poverty? If the economy is improving, why is the average of a car at an all time high?

If the economy is getting better, if what Obama is doing is working, if the numbers in the charts you posted are a reflection of reality, why are so many economic indicators saying we're in deep shiat?
 
2012-02-15 01:39:54 PM
randomjsa: Oh wait, I forgot, 100% of all negative economic indicators and economic news are attributable to Bush, with zero exceptions while 100% of all positive economic indicators and news are attributable to Obama with exceptions.

Is it "butthurt exaggerations o'clock" already? My watch must be slow.
 
2012-02-15 01:41:04 PM
Obama can skip the charade of being a good guy interested in changing the status quo. Just ask his donors if they would rather have one of the Republican primary candidates in power. Hope and change should give way to "lesser of two evils" or "the devil you know," because that's all he is.
 
2012-02-15 01:42:10 PM
randomjsa: Your ability to post charts based on numbers that the Obama administration has screwed with in an unprecedented fashion is also noted.

Your anger at America improving is also noted.
 
2012-02-15 01:43:51 PM
randomjsa: hugram: I donated to Obama last week. Here is why...

Those are all Bush's fault, and why wouldn't they be? Everything else that has happened since January 20th 2009 certainly was...

Oh wait, I forgot, 100% of all negative economic indicators and economic news are attributable to Bush, with zero exceptions while 100% of all positive economic indicators and news are attributable to Obama with exceptions.

Your ability to post charts based on numbers that the Obama administration has screwed with in an unprecedented fashion is also noted.

If the economy is improving, why was 2011 one of the worst years for new housing sales? if the economy is improving, why are a record number of people on food stamps? If the economy is improving why is the average duration of unemployment at a near record high? If the economy is improving, why are there six million fewer jobs than when the recession started? If the economy is improving, why are a record number of people living in extreme poverty? If the economy is improving, why is the average of a car at an all time high?

If the economy is getting better, if what Obama is doing is working, if the numbers in the charts you posted are a reflection of reality, why are so many economic indicators saying we're in deep shiat?


Why derpa derpa derp?

the 2010 derpfest that saw all those corporate funded TeaTards blow fuses over blatantly false talking points echoed over and over and over again on talk radio and wind up electing a bunch of the same ol, same ol republicans to congress in order to block pretty much anything the president tried to do?

Yeah...I blame the 2010 election fueled by the Drudge/Limbaugh/Hannity/Fox News echo chamber.
You seem quite familiar with that echo chamber
 
2012-02-15 01:44:34 PM
randomjsa: If the economy is improving, why is the average of a car at an all time high?

What is the average of a car?

I'm guessing a Camry.
 
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