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That's awesome! Allah bless him! May he find peace and sustenance with his new religion.

shivashakti: That's awesome! Allah bless him! May he find peace and sustenance with his new religion.

I heard a little bit of his interview after conversion. He said he had grown up with Christianity and Judaism. He wasn't going to lose those faiths, he was just adding Mohammed as a prophet. I hope he gets out of there alive.

nopokerface: I heard a little bit of his interview after conversion. He said he had grown up with Christianity and Judaism. He wasn't going to lose those faiths, he was just adding Mohammed as a prophet. I hope he gets out of there alive.

Why wouldn't he? Not all Muslims are fundamentalist wackos. Even in Iran.

shivashakti: Why wouldn't he? Not all Muslims are fundamentalist wackos. Even in Iran.

I believe they are one (of many) Muslim countries that have the death penalty for turning your back on Islam.

nopokerface: I believe they are one (of many) Muslim countries that have the death penalty for turning your back on Islam.

Well, then, if he decides to leave Islam, he can just come back to the States. He's still an American citizen.

shivashakti: Well, then, if he decides to leave Islam, he can just come back to the States. He's still an American citizen.

And now we're on the same page! I hope he makes it out of there alive!;)

jaylectricity: Aren't those three religions all the same thing save for a few minor details? And didn't they originate in the same tiny desert?

Are you asking me?

They certainly share a lot.

But, just the one executes you for picking one of the others.

nopokerface: jaylectricity: Aren't those three religions all the same thing save for a few minor details? And didn't they originate in the same tiny desert?

Are you asking me?

They certainly share a lot.

But, just the one executes you for picking one of the others.

Philip Francis Queeg: nopokerface: jaylectricity: Aren't those three religions all the same thing save for a few minor details? And didn't they originate in the same tiny desert?

Are you asking me?

They certainly share a lot.

But, just the one executes you for picking one of the others.

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So, are you saying they may grow out of it?;)

So now he's 3 times the idiot. Congrats!

shivashakti: That's awesome! Allah bless him! May he find peace and sustenance with his new religion.

And if he doesn't, Allah's followers will hunt him down and kill him.

I read the headline as Oliver North, which was significantly more amusing.

Elvis_Bogart: I guess prattling on about being an atheist just wasn't pissing off the squares getting him as much attention as he wanted, eh?

Considering how evil america is and how much it hates Islam it's probably a decent religion.

/Is that a man-burka he's wearing?
//33 years later and nothing's changed.

Searching high and low for a man in the sky to tell you what to do shows serious daddy issues.

jaylectricity: Aren't those three religions all the same thing save for a few minor details? And didn't they originate in the same tiny desert?

No.

Judaism: Primitive religion which is much improved from the animism and idolatry that prevailed previously. Tries to make sense of the world by viewing it as a master plan for the good of humanity. Creates a religious framework for behaving well; something which was a novel idea at the time.

Christianity: The people look forward to the Messiah coming and being a strong Warrior King and laying down the law hard on all those who don't follow the Right Way. The Messiah comes and loves whores, sinners, and the powerless; shows no interest in wars or violence; and generally fails to get along with self-proclaimed moral authorities of the day. Naturally the people kill him.

Islam: The true prophet is born. He has no power so he rises in power through subterfuge, lying, and pretending to get along with everyone until he gets a good chance to stab them in the back. Claims to be the fulfillment of of any popular religion in the region, even the ones he has no clue about. Once he finally attains power, he is a Warrior King.

I have to go now. I feel a fatwa against my life coming on.

I just had one of those second cuppa coffee thoughts...

Doesn't the Muslim prayer "There is no god but Allah" sow seeds of doubt? By uttering such a phrase aren't you saying there might be other faiths in the world. I know, this is pure 1984 double speak type thinking. Maybe the thought police have already killed off anyone in the islamic world who would dare think like me. Or maybe that's why they abstain from alcohol, so no one is two cups perky while hung over.

nopokerface: Philip Francis Queeg: nopokerface: jaylectricity: Aren't those three religions all the same thing save for a few minor details? And didn't they originate in the same tiny desert?

Are you asking me?

They certainly share a lot.

But, just the one executes you for picking one of the others.

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So, are you saying they may grow out of it?;)

I assume they will. every religion has its moment of extreme power and corruption, during which time it performs its most heinous atrocities. Then people become skeptical and the main power base delves off in little protestant directions.

I mean, christianity was a very humble baby, but became a war machine by its puberty during the middle ages. It's had its fun, so now it's relatively harmless, still wears an onion on its belt and yells at the kids. (they still have their problems, and I probably shouldn't have mentioned kids, but they have no real, actual power like they used to, and they are not theologically authorized to kill people)

Now is the time of Islam. They're the fastest growing religion, they have a strong power base. It's their time to go a little crazy with the thrill of power, commit atrocities, and ultimately mellow out. It's a young religion after all, these are their puberty years. Give it a couple centuries, then we'll all be friends again...

but, by then, some new religion will be the new monster. I'm betting on the mormons... or non-scandinavian odinism.

/ it's like environmental and labor movements directed against china. they say, hey man, we're going through 'our' industrial revolution, cut us some slack... think about all of the horrible atrocities you committed on the environment and labor force during your industrial revolution, you hypocrites.

Well, now he can beat women without persecution. Good for him [/sarcasm]

Either the article writer's a bit thick (which I suspect) or he's deliberately (but subtly) using scary language to scare Christians (entirely too common for me to dismiss without question).

The Islamic "Profession of the Faith," (should be capitalized, this is a proper compound noun) accurately translates into English as "There is no god but AllahGod, and Muhammad is His messenger." Allah translates literally to "The God" (with emphasis on the definite article, hence its capitalization.) Allah is _not_ the name of the God of Abraham anymore than "God" is.

Like it or not, Muslims believe in the same god as Christians and Jews, and there are far more historical similarities than differences among them.

/ Now that I've pissed off most of Fark and part of the world by daring to provide factual information^[1], thus getting the inevitable flame war to a vigorous start, I'm going to toddle off to my reinforced bunker in the wilds of Antarctica, protected by six feet of reinforced bacon and sin.
// ^[1] According to some guy under whom I've had the privilege of learning, however briefly, in 1991/1992.

Bob16: Considering how evil america is and how much it hates Islam it's probably a decent religion.

With over 700 verses about how disbelievers will burn in hell.

Back, and to the right

JC

pute kisses like a man: nopokerface: Philip Francis Queeg: nopokerface: jaylectricity: Aren't those three religions all the same thing save for a few minor details? And didn't they originate in the same tiny desert?

Are you asking me?

They certainly share a lot.

But, just the one executes you for picking one of the others.

[www.bh.org.il image 266x400]

So, are you saying they may grow out of it?;)

I assume they will. every religion has its moment of extreme power and corruption, during which time it performs its most heinous atrocities. Then people become skeptical and the main power base delves off in little protestant directions.

I mean, christianity was a very humble baby, but became a war machine by its puberty during the middle ages. It's had its fun, so now it's relatively harmless, still wears an onion on its belt and yells at the kids. (they still have their problems, and I probably shouldn't have mentioned kids, but they have no real, actual power like they used to, and they are not theologically authorized to kill people)

Now is the time of Islam. They're the fastest growing religion, they have a strong power base. It's their time to go a little crazy with the thrill of power, commit atrocities, and ultimately mellow out. It's a young religion after all, these are their puberty years. Give it a couple centuries, then we'll all be friends again...

but, by then, some new religion will be the new monster. I'm betting on the mormons... or non-scandinavian odinism.

/ it's like environmental and labor movements directed against china. they say, hey man, we're going through 'our' industrial revolution, cut us some slack... think about all of the horrible atrocities you committed on the environment and labor force during your industrial revolution, you hypocrites.

I'm with you right up to your thoughts on new religion. I'm keeping my money on either Hinduism or Buddhism. Sheer numbers, man, sheer numbers.

MooseUpNorth: Like it or not, Muslims believe in the same god as Christians and Jews, and there are far more historical similarities than differences among them.

Christians believe in a god who sent his son to be sacrificed for our sins and wants us to follow what is taught in the bible. Islam believes in a god that had his wishes reveled to us through Mo. There are some very fundamental differences between these groups.

I am an atheist, but to claim they believe in the same god (vice saying one faith evolved out of the other) shows incredible ignorance or obtuseness.

nopokerface: shivashakti: Why wouldn't he? Not all Muslims are fundamentalist wackos. Even in Iran.

I believe they are one (of many) Muslim countries that have the death penalty for turning your back on Islam.

Islam adopts the prophets and patriarchs of the Jewish tradition and treats Jesus and John the Baptist as prophets, so he's not wrong.

Baffling why anyone would convert to this religion.

Can I drink?
no.

Can I ogle naked women?
no.

Can I eat bacon?
no.

Well what the hell do I get?
you get to pray, 5 times. . .

What, in my entire life?
. . . no every single day.

Ok but at least I'll be loved by all and welcomed wherever I go?
eh, not really.

But at least among other muslims?
no, we actually kind of hate each other a lot too.

Thank you for your time.

And not a single fark was given...

liam76: I am an atheist, but to claim they believe in the same god shows incredible ignorance or obtuseness.

How so?

indylaw: nopokerface: shivashakti: Why wouldn't he? Not all Muslims are fundamentalist wackos. Even in Iran.

I believe they are one (of many) Muslim countries that have the death penalty for turning your back on Islam.

Islam adopts the prophets and patriarchs of the Jewish tradition and treats Jesus and John the Baptist as prophets, so he's not wrong.

Saying Jesus is a prophet and not the son of God means you are turning abandoning Christianity.

liam76: Saying Jesus is a prophet and not the son of God means you are turning abandoning Christianity.

Yes. I was specifically refuting nopokerface's statement that he'd be killed by saying that he was accepting one more profit. It's sort of a hippy dippy thing to imply, that Islam = Christianity + Muhammad, but what he seems to be trying to say is that Islam builds upon his Christian and Jewish heritage. I don't buy that either, necessarily, but I don't think his statement will cause problems for him with the Ayatollahs.

liam76: Christians believe in a god who sent his son to be sacrificed for our sins and wants us to follow what is taught in the bible. Islam believes in a god that had his wishes reveled to us through Mo. There are some very fundamental differences between these groups.

Simply because Muslims and Christians believe different things about the nature of God doesn't mean that they worship different gods, any more than someone who believes that the sun is a giant gold disc is perceiving a different sun than one who believes that the sun is a giant spheroid of hydrogen and helium gas undergoing a sustained set of nuclear chain reactions.

indylaw: I was specifically refuting nopokerface's statement that he'd be killed by saying that he was accepting one more profit.

He said he was not giving up his Christian and Jewish faith, just adding Muhammed. That's an executin'.

nopokerface: indylaw: I was specifically refuting nopokerface's statement that he'd be killed by saying that he was accepting one more profit.

He said he was not giving up his Christian and Jewish faith, just adding Muhammed. That's an executin'.

Says noted Islamic and Iranian legal scholar, nopokerface.

indylaw: Says noted Islamic and Iranian legal scholar, nopokerface.

It's about time I got my props around here.

indylaw: Yes. I was specifically refuting nopokerface's statement that he'd be killed by saying that he was accepting one more profit prophet.

Jeez. Moar coffee!!1!