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(MacRumors)   When you thought that China couldn't be more of a dick, they pull this shiat   (macrumors.com) divider line 143
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2012-02-14 12:38:41 PM
You go ahead and continue to concentrate all your sourcing to one dictatorial country with a sketchy concept of property rights, Apple. Let us know how that works out.
 
2012-02-14 12:50:22 PM
Boo hoo. Choose another tablet and stop sucking Apple's cock.

/that's just, like, my opinion man
 
2012-02-14 12:59:05 PM
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2012-02-14 01:13:29 PM
Hey cult of Apple people: no more ipads for you. Not yours.

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2012-02-14 01:51:37 PM
Ha! We got your ACTA right here, round-eye devil, right on top of this nice petard.
 
2012-02-14 01:54:13 PM
Based on all the crap Apple's been pulling with patent trolling, especially against Samsung, I LOVE THIS. What comes around, goes around. Or maybe Steve Jobs had a secret handshake that he never remembered to tell Tim Cook about?
 
2012-02-14 01:57:17 PM
How many Chinese workers will that put out of a job, comrades?
 
2012-02-14 01:58:49 PM
Sounds like instant karma to me.
 
2012-02-14 02:01:56 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: How many Chinese workers will that put out of a job, comrades?


2
but at least they will be able to sleep again
 
2012-02-14 02:14:11 PM
Can we move the manufacturing jobs to mexico?
 
2012-02-14 02:19:22 PM

RexTalionis: Sounds like instant karma to me.


HAH
 
2012-02-14 02:22:34 PM
I'm just here to watch the hipsters and fanboys twitch.
 
2012-02-14 02:28:31 PM
horrible human rights abuses are fine.

But don't you date get in the way of me and my consumer electronics.
 
2012-02-14 02:39:58 PM
Good Lord, if they actually manage to stop iPad exports that would be the biggest argument against outsourcing since, well, ever. I doubt it will convince Apple to start making their products in the US (they don't care enough to do that), but maybe it might return jobs from other companies with more to lose.
 
2012-02-14 02:47:42 PM
i157.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-14 03:01:28 PM
Apple's been outsourcing away from China to Brazil. This reaction is kind of expected.
 
2012-02-14 03:02:03 PM
Just in time.

A couple people at my company are discussing moving a major fab operation to China.

This story may well save the day.
 
2012-02-14 03:07:04 PM

Gig103: Based on all the crap Apple's been pulling with patent trolling, especially against Samsung, I LOVE THIS. What comes around, goes around. Or maybe Steve Jobs had a secret handshake that he never remembered to tell Tim Cook about?


Yeah dick moves begat dick moves, you earned this apple, I would find it hilarious if samsung was bank rolling their lawsuits.
 
2012-02-14 03:15:53 PM
Apple's growth has been significant enough that they've moved from the Tech tab to the Business tab, but no one has updated any of their complaints or arguments against them in 30 years.

The same old flame war, pointlessly proselytizing one another over the same old shiat. I haven't seen a deadlock this stale since Korea.
 
2012-02-14 03:16:19 PM
It's not like they couldn't manufacture them elsewhere. Given the hideous profit margins on the device, they could build it practically anywhere and still make money. Why just make money when you can make more of it, though?
 
2012-02-14 03:18:15 PM
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait


...China has copyright laws?
 
2012-02-14 03:18:41 PM

Lsherm: Good Lord, if they actually manage to stop iPad exports that would be the biggest argument against outsourcing since, well, ever. I doubt it will convince Apple to start making their products in the US (they don't care enough to do that), but maybe it might return jobs from other companies with more to lose.


The fact that it can even be threatened is shocking.

Although I wouldn't say it's a good argument against outsourcing in general, or even off-shoring. But it should make you think twice about putting your company at the mercy of a country where industry and government are so closely tied, and where property rights are so poorly defined.
 
2012-02-14 03:20:48 PM
Is this suit being filed in Tyler, TX?
 
2012-02-14 03:22:20 PM
Doesn't Apple have $100 billion in cash?
I don't know what a post Steve Jobs Apple would do, but under Steve Jobs they would have told China to go Fark themselves.

He would have then created a coalition of manufacturers to do the same. The man had no fear.

He was an asshole... but he was a fearless one.
 
2012-02-14 03:23:03 PM
hang on, you mean operating in a Country with an iron fisted dictatorial central government that can ruthlessly supress labor movements, iand ignore demands of environmentalists, allowing you to pay workers $.010/hr and dump you factory waste into their drinking water supply can have a BAD side too? The Devil you say!
 
2012-02-14 03:26:24 PM
If this were to seriously endanger Chinese exports, I predict that Proview executives will be found guilty of some trumped-up crime against the state and summarily executed. You don't be gettin' between a pimp and his money.
 
2012-02-14 03:26:55 PM
Seriously? It's only a copyright problem in China. So, basically, they're saying that they want Apple punished as though they'd violated an international copyright unless Apple gives up even pursuing the local copyright? Kind of an overreach. I'd like to think the court would smack it down, but I have no idea how they approach these things in China.

On the other hand... Seriously, putting all your eggs in the Chinese basket? Are you stupid, Apple? Yes, it'll come back to bite you.
 
2012-02-14 03:29:20 PM
Has anyone mentioned that iPad is a terrible name and they should just change it?
 
2012-02-14 03:34:19 PM
Confucius say, "Lay with Chinese businessmen, wake up with government-owned mattress."
 
2012-02-14 03:34:55 PM

Tickle Mittens: Has anyone mentioned that iPad is a terrible name and they should just change it?


Apple could change the name to Kindle Fire and with the legal staff they have they'd probably win in the courts.
 
2012-02-14 03:35:28 PM
What happened to you, China? You used to be cool.
 
2012-02-14 03:37:53 PM

treesloth: Seriously? It's only a copyright problem in China. ...


They're claiming trademark infringement, not copyright violation. Different wings, same bird.
 
2012-02-14 03:38:07 PM

treesloth: Seriously? It's only a copyright problem in China. So, basically, they're saying that they want Apple punished as though they'd violated an international copyright unless Apple gives up even pursuing the local copyright? Kind of an overreach. I'd like to think the court would smack it down, but I have no idea how they approach these things in China.

On the other hand... Seriously, putting all your eggs in the Chinese basket? Are you stupid, Apple? Yes, it'll come back to bite you.


Do you think this could be political?

As in the United States is trying to get China to enforce copyright law, so China arranges a company within China to fark over a US company to sort of 'get back' at the US?
 
2012-02-14 03:41:08 PM

BigBooper: Doesn't Apple have $100 billion in cash?
I don't know what a post Steve Jobs Apple would do, but under Steve Jobs they would have told China to go Fark themselves.


Someone has a seriously distorted view of who is holding all the cards in this instance. It ain't steve farkin' jobs. If we were talking france or venezuela, maybe. But China could fark apple like no one else and I suspect they know it. There will be ipads sold in China again. And china might even let apple look like it 'won' the case. But money - lots and lots of it - will change hands, and it will be apple doing the paying.
 
2012-02-14 03:43:47 PM

sprawl15: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait ...China has copyright laws?


They do, but they are selectively enforced. That, combined with China's cultural view that farking foreigners is fair game, makes them a dangerous political tool against foreign interests.


GoodyearPimp: Given the hideous profit margins on the device, they could build it practically anywhere and still make money.


Near the end of his life, Jobs was more focused on destroying competition just for the sake of doing it more than because of the money aspect. He thought that he was bringing about a revolution in the way we live our lives and he didn't want Samsung, LG or the like moving in on his divinity.

Furthermore, Jobs located his manufacturing in China because he said that they were able to ramp up production of new components at a faster rate than factories in other countries, specifically the US. Most of his supply chain was also located in China, so he wanted everything localized.

The funny thing is, I just read an article the other day about how some small manufacturing companies like to keep their factories close by because it allows them to quickly visit the facility and quickly make changes to parts. It sounds like China is better at the initial ramp up while local factories are better at last minute tweaks (unless you're large enough that you can keep an engineering staff in China).
 
2012-02-14 03:46:11 PM
I see a very wealthy Chinese judge retiring soon after he finds for Apple.
 
2012-02-14 03:46:57 PM

netweavr: Apple's been outsourcing away from China to Brazil. This reaction is kind of expected.


More than 90% of all apple products are assembled in china and will be for the foreseeable future. "We'll move!" is not a threat that apple would make or china would take seriously. Just for some perspective... yeah, apple is huge - but china's GDP is freakin' six trillion dollars. They'll manufacture something else if apple wants to blow the probably hundreds of millions it would take to displace ipad manufacturing.
 
2012-02-14 03:47:57 PM

Babwa Wawa: You go ahead and continue to concentrate all your sourcing to one dictatorial country with a sketchy concept of property rights, Apple. Let us know how that works out.


It is not just apple. Did you watch last weeks Top Gear? Jeremy is like: "So I am standing here in my fake Armani jacket looking at you through my fake Oakleys. I am now going to reach into my fake Gucci man purse and pull out my fake Ipad and Iphone. Oh, the time, let me check my fake rolex."

Then the episode goes on to drive a ton of clone cars with slight name misspellings. They even talked about a BMW lawsuit that was lost in china because china ruled that this obvious identical clone of one of their cars was not "exactly" the same.

China is a bunch of horseshiat. I really wish our corps would take their production elsewhere.
 
2012-02-14 03:50:47 PM
Apple is going to talk to Singapore about opening a factory and suddenly Proview will never have existed.
 
2012-02-14 03:52:32 PM

JohnBigBootay: But China could fark apple like no one else and I suspect they know it.


As others have noted, Apple (or Foxconn at the behest of Apple) is supposedly expanding operations into Brazil. This is probably so that Apple can protect itself against cost fluctuations that might arise, such as wages, currency, transportation and other disputes. Not to mention, if they can source some of the parts from Brazil, it'll lower their costs and delivery times for getting product into South America.
 
2012-02-14 03:55:40 PM
Considering all the patent bullshiat that Apple has pulled...

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2012-02-14 03:58:14 PM
China is like Anthony in the Twilight Zone episode It's A Good Life.

A bratty, all-powerful juggernaut that prefers a pretense of politeness and order even though it is evil to the core.

And untouchable.
 
2012-02-14 03:58:47 PM

bittermang: Apple's growth has been significant enough that they've moved from the Tech tab to the Business tab, but no one has updated any of their complaints or arguments against them in 30 years.


About 30 years ago their growth was good, 25 years ago they started to stagnate, 20 years ago they were a dead company who had to rely on bill gates to come save them, so basically the argument has changed and apple has built their billions on forced slave labor in china.

F*ck apple, I will never buy another product from them.
 
2012-02-14 04:03:33 PM

JohnBigBootay: BigBooper: Doesn't Apple have $100 billion in cash?
I don't know what a post Steve Jobs Apple would do, but under Steve Jobs they would have told China to go Fark themselves.

Someone has a seriously distorted view of who is holding all the cards in this instance. It ain't steve farkin' jobs. If we were talking france or venezuela, maybe. But China could fark apple like no one else and I suspect they know it. There will be ipads sold in China again. And china might even let apple look like it 'won' the case. But money - lots and lots of it - will change hands, and it will be apple doing the paying.


Lets take a look at the cards Apple has.
1: ONE HUNDRED BILLION FARKING DOLLARS IN CASH!
2: Rabid fans
3: ONE HUNDRED BILLION FARKING DOLLARS IN CASH!

Apple could walk away from China, loose a year and 10 billion dollars, and it would be nothing more than a burp for them. When Apple came out with the iPad3 the pent up demand would be like nothing seen before. Apple would be able to ask whatever they wanted.
 
2012-02-14 04:11:15 PM

BigBooper: JohnBigBootay: BigBooper: Doesn't Apple have $100 billion in cash?
I don't know what a post Steve Jobs Apple would do, but under Steve Jobs they would have told China to go Fark themselves.

Someone has a seriously distorted view of who is holding all the cards in this instance. It ain't steve farkin' jobs. If we were talking france or venezuela, maybe. But China could fark apple like no one else and I suspect they know it. There will be ipads sold in China again. And china might even let apple look like it 'won' the case. But money - lots and lots of it - will change hands, and it will be apple doing the paying.

Lets take a look at the cards Apple has.
1: ONE HUNDRED BILLION FARKING DOLLARS IN CASH!
2: Rabid fans
3: ONE HUNDRED BILLION FARKING DOLLARS IN CASH!

Apple could walk away from China, loose a year and 10 billion dollars, and it would be nothing more than a burp for them. When Apple came out with the iPad3 the pent up demand would be like nothing seen before. Apple would be able to ask whatever they wanted.


It would be more than burp to their stock price.
 
2012-02-14 04:12:12 PM

BigBooper: Apple could walk away from China, loose a year and 10 billion dollars, and it would be nothing more than a burp for them. When Apple came out with the iPad3 the pent up demand would be like nothing seen before. Apple would be able to ask whatever they wanted.


This isnt 2007 when everyone was clamoring for apple since they were the only one that put out even a decent product, there are 3-4 devices that do everything the current ipads do but a whole lot farking cheaper, also it will take longer than a year to get another plant up to full productivity since who knows if that company will go after even after market items with the ipad name on them? If apple loses a year they could write off the touch pad market.

This video from macworld 97 cracks me up, just fast forward to the boos about MS just before the 27 minute mark, I find it interesting that the macworld wiki page only lists these events back to 98.......
 
2012-02-14 04:13:10 PM
Good move China. Western companies weren't scared enough of doing business with you. Add this to the list with Bait and Switch delivery, toxic materials, inferior materials, tooling held hostage, poor quality control and the fact that your nation is already the Wild West of Intellectual Property.

Why make such a move China? Scare off all of that type of business at a time when you are trying to grow beyond making Halloween masks and fishing lures?

I wonder how much Tea Money this cost HP and Lenovo.
 
2012-02-14 04:13:14 PM

Babwa Wawa: You go ahead and continue to concentrate all your sourcing to one dictatorial country with a sketchy concept of property rights, Apple. Let us know how that works out.


Done in one.
 
2012-02-14 04:13:21 PM
On the other hand, it looks like we get to figure out if Mr Jobs was right about 'those jobs are gone forever'

Hey, I am sure you could set up a factory in Alabama or Mississippi or Louisiana!
 
2012-02-14 04:14:13 PM

BigBooper: Doesn't Apple have $100 billion in cash?


According to the SEC, they have about $10 billion in cash, around $20 billion in short term investments, throw in another $25 billion in other current assets.. Not quite $100 billion, but still it's a ton of money.
 
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