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2012-02-14 11:27:27 AM  
www.guysnation.com
 
2012-02-14 11:28:47 AM  
...so vote Republican?
 
2012-02-14 11:35:51 AM  
It flew off the shelves so they had to do an emergency re-print, huh? Must have been on sale at eastern NC WalMarts, where 99.975% of Carolina fans buy their merchandise. The average Carolina fan couldn't find Chapel Hill on a map if you narrowed it down to 4 counties and offered them 50 bucks if they found it in under a minute.
 
2012-02-14 11:36:07 AM  
We actually had to do some sort of a rush reprint on Thursday, two days after the book came out, because it kind of flew off the shelves.

The Free Market has spoken. Duke sucks.
 
2012-02-14 11:39:33 AM  

Bashatizin' Smashmaster: It flew off the shelves so they had to do an emergency re-print, huh? Must have been on sale at eastern NC WalMarts, where 99.975% of Carolina fans buy their merchandise. The average Carolina fan couldn't find Chapel Hill on a map if you narrowed it down to 4 counties and offered them 50 bucks if they found it in under a minute.


Mike Krzyzewski, everyone.
 
2012-02-14 11:40:14 AM  
Carolina fans chicks are the easy audience, of course, so they've been lapping it up like thirsty dogs.
FIFY
 
2012-02-14 11:43:59 AM  
180+ pages huh? That's still 60 more pages of butt-hurt than Belladonna's 120 page auto-biography.
 
2012-02-14 11:45:00 AM  
It really exists...

http://www.tinyurl.com/dukesucksthebook (new window)
 
2012-02-14 11:46:04 AM  
Sorry...

Link (new window)
 
2012-02-14 11:46:39 AM  

Bashatizin' Smashmaster: It flew off the shelves so they had to do an emergency re-print, huh? Must have been on sale at eastern NC WalMarts, where 99.975% of Carolina fans buy their merchandise. The average Carolina fan couldn't find Chapel Hill on a map if you narrowed it down to 4 counties and offered them 50 bucks if they found it in under a minute.


The average Duke fan can't find Durham, mostly because it's not in New Jersey.
 
2012-02-14 11:53:14 AM  
Co-authors Andy Bagwell and Reed Tucker, both of who graduated from North Carolina

Both of whom
 
2012-02-14 11:55:47 AM  
found this on dukeupdate this morning, I had to submit it. If you read the article, it sounds like 2 frat brothers got together to write a book and found out that the rivalry existed before Coach K got to Duke. They come off as idiots. I'll probably read it after I finish this

/subby
//Duke fan
 
2012-02-14 11:58:04 AM  
One of the authors jokingly says you can minor in hating Duke at UNC.

In all honesty, that might not be a joke....in fact, not only can you likely minor in hating Duke, you can get a tutor to do the work for you. Particularly if you are an athlete there.
 
2012-02-14 11:58:16 AM  

moistD: found this on dukeupdate this morning, I had to submit it. If you read the article, it sounds like 2 frat brothers got together to write a book and found out that the rivalry existed before Coach K got to Duke. They come off as idiots. I'll probably read it after I finish this

/subby
//Duke fan


What, did you already breeze through that pamphlet "Duke Players Who Went on to Successful Careers in the NBA?"

/Cats fan
 
2012-02-14 11:59:32 AM  

moistD: Duke fan


Is that "fan" like "Duke alum" or fan like, "white kid from the suburbs who is a front-running douche"?
 
2012-02-14 11:59:59 AM  
Pathetic sports-centric school rivalries have long struck me as puerile and pedantic.

The fact that there is such a big flamboyant industry around it seems to me to be corrosive to the ideals of higher learning.
 
2012-02-14 12:00:04 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Co-authors Andy Bagwell and Reed Tucker, both of who graduated from North Carolina

Both of whom

The article is in the News and Observer...local Raleigh paper that has historically been run by UNC people...and even now that they're part of a conglomerate, still mostly populated by UNC people.
So they might not be aware of proper word use, given that pretty much anyone with a pulse can graduate from UNC's J-school.
 
2012-02-14 12:07:46 PM  
Prologue: My Personal Duke Experience

Chapter I: the Foundings of Sucking

Chapter II: The end of the XIXth century, and the dawn of suck.

Chapter III: Duke sucks in WW2

Chapter IV: The Cold Years of Sucking

Chapter V: Sucking in the new days

Epilogue: Duke Sucks
 
2012-02-14 12:08:15 PM  
I hate Duke, but Coach K's a damn good coach. As much as it pains me to say it.

/Still think Izzo's the best. And Roy Williams is towards the bottom.
 
2012-02-14 12:08:47 PM  

EyeballKid: moistD: found this on dukeupdate this morning, I had to submit it. If you read the article, it sounds like 2 frat brothers got together to write a book and found out that the rivalry existed before Coach K got to Duke. They come off as idiots. I'll probably read it after I finish this

/subby
//Duke fan

What, did you already breeze through that pamphlet "Duke Players Who Went on to Successful Careers in the NBA?"

/Cats fan


You know, I was at an NBA game the other night, and the same thing occurred to me. I mean, ten guys on the floor, only three of them went to Duke. What the fark is that? How can anybody consider them a successful program when it comes to getting players to the next level?
 
2012-02-14 12:11:19 PM  

Pacfanweb: So they might not be aware of proper word use, given that pretty much anyone with a pulse can graduate from UNC's J-school.


UNC is consistently among the top J-schools in the country.

/Not a UNC grad
//Graduated from another top J-school
 
2012-02-14 12:11:29 PM  
I don't really have an axe to grind with Duke, so if winning AND graduating payers means they suck then suck away.

/wish more schools would suck
 
2012-02-14 12:12:01 PM  

Dafatone: I hate Duke, but Coach K's a damn good coach. As much as it pains me to say it.

/Still think Izzo's the best. And Roy Williams is towards the bottom.


I'm a Duke fan, and I totally agree about Izzo. Seems like a great guy, gets a lot from some fairly mid-level talent, and AFAIK runs a pretty clean program. Also agree about Ol' Roy. I not rabid, in fact I'll pull for the Heels against most teams, but Roy is a jackass. That stunt he pulled at Florida State should haunt him for years.
 
2012-02-14 12:12:33 PM  

EyeballKid: moistD: found this on dukeupdate this morning, I had to submit it. If you read the article, it sounds like 2 frat brothers got together to write a book and found out that the rivalry existed before Coach K got to Duke. They come off as idiots. I'll probably read it after I finish this

/subby
//Duke fan

What, did you already breeze through that pamphlet "Duke Players Who Went on to Successful Careers in the NBA?"

/Cats fan


its true, I think only 1 or 2 Duke players have an NBA championship ring. I still enjoy following their careers, and a lot of ACC players as well (lots of ACC blood in my family).

/hoping Kentucky beats UNC again so Roy doesn't get a 3rd this year =)

Yanks_RSJ: moistD: Duke fan

Is that "fan" like "Duke alum" or fan like, "white kid from the suburbs who is a front-running douche"?


I grew up a Wake Forest fan, have many relatives (father, sister, cousin, uncle, aunt, close family friends) that went to WFU. But when my middle sister went to Duke she let me visit each year and would sneak me into the Duke vs NC State games. All 4 of those games are some of the greatest experiences ever, its such an amazing atmosphere, I fell in love with Duke. So my sister, brother-in-law, and cousin all went there. I didn't go to a D1 school, I went to Hobart and William Smith Colleges in Geneva, NY.

/I have many more relatives that went to V-Tech, Maryland, NC-State, UVA, med-school/law-school at one of the ACC schools.
//favorite player growing up was Mugsy Bogues, now I love John Wall, Kyrie Irving and Chris Duhon
 
2012-02-14 12:16:11 PM  

Dafatone: I hate Duke, but Coach K's a damn good coach. As much as it pains me to say it.

/Still think Izzo's the best. And Roy Williams is towards the bottom.


Izzo is awesome.
 
2012-02-14 12:18:19 PM  

moistD: //favorite player growing up was Mugsy Bogues, now I love John Wall, Kyrie Irving and Chris Duhon


When did Duke allow people to remember that guy?
 
2012-02-14 12:18:21 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Pathetic sports-centric school rivalries have long struck me as puerile and pedantic.

The fact that there is such a big flamboyant industry around it seems to me to be corrosive to the ideals of higher learning.


You must be a blast at parties.
 
2012-02-14 12:18:50 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Bashatizin' Smashmaster: It flew off the shelves so they had to do an emergency re-print, huh? Must have been on sale at eastern NC WalMarts, where 99.975% of Carolina fans buy their merchandise. The average Carolina fan couldn't find Chapel Hill on a map if you narrowed it down to 4 counties and offered them 50 bucks if they found it in under a minute.

The average Duke fan can't find Durham, mostly because it's not in New Jersey.


I don't know why the "Smart" and "Funny" buttons aren't showing up in this thread, but consider them both pressed.

I'm also a fan of both of these books:

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2012-02-14 12:18:53 PM  

moistD: But when my middle sister went to Duke she let me visit each year and would sneak me into the Duke vs NC State games. All 4 of those games are some of the greatest experiences ever, its such an amazing atmosphere, I fell in love with Duke.


I can't argue with the experience of Cameron Indoor Stadium. It's pretty impressive, even for a Duke hater who doesn't like ugly chicks.

FWIW, I was a "white suburban front-running Duke douche" right up until I visited Maryland and decided I wanted to go there because of how much I loved Cole Field House.
 
2012-02-14 12:19:31 PM  

calm like a bomb: I'm a Duke fan, and I totally agree about Izzo. Seems like a great guy, gets a lot from some fairly mid-level talent, and AFAIK runs a pretty clean program. Also agree about Ol' Roy. I not rabid, in fact I'll pull for the Heels against most teams, but Roy is a jackass. That stunt he pulled at Florida State should haunt him for years.


Covered college ball. There's been rumors of dirt on him, but nothing big enough to write about, but he seems fairly clean to me. I suppose every coach has a little dirt on them.
 
2012-02-14 12:22:31 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: moistD: But when my middle sister went to Duke she let me visit each year and would sneak me into the Duke vs NC State games. All 4 of those games are some of the greatest experiences ever, its such an amazing atmosphere, I fell in love with Duke.

I can't argue with the experience of Cameron Indoor Stadium. It's pretty impressive, even for a Duke hater who doesn't like ugly chicks.

FWIW, I was a "white suburban front-running Duke douche" right up until I visited Maryland and decided I wanted to go there because of how much I loved Cole Field House.


I really want to go to a game in Rupp Arena, UK fans are impressive. I think it would be amazing.

EyeballKid: moistD: //favorite player growing up was Mugsy Bogues, now I love John Wall, Kyrie Irving and Chris Duhon

When did Duke allow people to remember that guy?


I've met him, I've played beer bong with him. why did I not get a picture... 21 should be retired for him. I by default cheer for whatever Duke player wears his jersey now, so Demarcus Nelson after he left, and now Miles Plumlee. I am excited to see if anyone takes it next year.

UNC_Samurai: Yanks_RSJ: Bashatizin' Smashmaster: It flew off the shelves so they had to do an emergency re-print, huh? Must have been on sale at eastern NC WalMarts, where 99.975% of Carolina fans buy their merchandise. The average Carolina fan couldn't find Chapel Hill on a map if you narrowed it down to 4 counties and offered them 50 bucks if they found it in under a minute.

The average Duke fan can't find Durham, mostly because it's not in New Jersey.

I don't know why the "Smart" and "Funny" buttons aren't showing up in this thread, but consider them both pressed.

I'm also a fan of both of these books:

[images.betterworldbooks.com image 267x400][static7.userland.com image 270x395]


blue bood is good.
 
2012-02-14 12:22:50 PM  

ToddMU03: calm like a bomb: I'm a Duke fan, and I totally agree about Izzo. Seems like a great guy, gets a lot from some fairly mid-level talent, and AFAIK runs a pretty clean program. Also agree about Ol' Roy. I not rabid, in fact I'll pull for the Heels against most teams, but Roy is a jackass. That stunt he pulled at Florida State should haunt him for years.

Covered college ball. There's been rumors of dirt on him, but nothing big enough to write about, but he seems fairly clean to me. I suppose every coach has a little dirt on them.


The Duke radio guy told me that Roy's biggest problem is when he tries to be funny (see: "tragedy", "slit his wrists", etc.)
 
2012-02-14 12:24:22 PM  
I always thought the various rivalries down in "the triangle" were amusing since they're all honestly good schools with a largely preppy base of students. I'm sure it's very real to people directly involved, but from the outside....
 
2012-02-14 12:26:43 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: moistD: Duke fan

Is that "fan" like "Duke alum" or fan like, "white kid from the suburbs who is a front-running douche"?


I forgot to mention, I find it hilarious that people hate Duke for this. The vast majority of people who like UNC (outside of alums) probably are fans because they can buy #23 gear...
 
2012-02-14 12:27:28 PM  

moistD: I really want to go to a game in Rupp Arena, UK fans are impressive. I think it would be amazing.


One of my best friends was a manager for the Maryland bball team for four years. We played at Rupp during our sophomore year, he still raves about how great that arena is.
 
2012-02-14 12:32:17 PM  

moistD: I forgot to mention, I find it hilarious that people hate Duke for this. The vast majority of people who like UNC (outside of alums) probably are fans because they can buy #23 gear...


I think the difference is that UNC is a HUGE school so there are a lot of people who have connections to the school. Plus it's a state school, so it would be natural for people from North Carolina to root for the Heels.

Duke, on the other hand is a tiny private university that somehow has fans everywhere who have literally never set foot in the state of North Carolina, let alone the Duke campus. I have a friend who loves to give me shiat about Duke beating Maryland who went to SUNY Geneseo and has never been to the Duke campus. That's farking obnoxious.
 
2012-02-14 12:36:08 PM  
:

What, did you already breeze through that pamphlet "Duke Players Who Went on to Successful Careers in the NBA?"

/Cats fan



Sounds like a Cats fan - didn't do his research.

As of 2010, Duke had more players in the NBA than any other school. Not sure if they still hold that distinction, or who does now, but that old stereotype doesn't hold water anymore.

/Duke is also pretty consistently near the top of the list among schools that graduate their players. You hear that, Maryland?
 
2012-02-14 12:37:20 PM  

UNC_Samurai:

The Duke radio guy told me that Roy's biggest problem is when he tries to be funny (see: "tragedy", "slit his wrists", etc.)


Yeah, I have heard Roy is suspicious of Izzo due to a recruiting battle years ago. Not sure if it is true. Izzo seems fairly clean.
 
2012-02-14 12:38:35 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: moistD: I forgot to mention, I find it hilarious that people hate Duke for this. The vast majority of people who like UNC (outside of alums) probably are fans because they can buy #23 gear...

I think the difference is that UNC is a HUGE school so there are a lot of people who have connections to the school. Plus it's a state school, so it would be natural for people from North Carolina to root for the Heels.

Duke, on the other hand is a tiny private university that somehow has fans everywhere who have literally never set foot in the state of North Carolina, let alone the Duke campus. I have a friend who loves to give me shiat about Duke beating Maryland who went to SUNY Geneseo and has never been to the Duke campus. That's farking obnoxious.


haha while I can see how obnoxious that is (is he even a fan or he just knows it pisses you off?) its cracking me up right now. People get so pissed when they lose to Duke or someone cheers for Duke its comical. I guess growing up in PA most of the people I knew that were UNC fans were because of MJ. It was cool to wear his gear in the 90s from UNC. And having lived in the north east/mid-atlantic all my life most people I have met that are UNC fans are also just MJ fans. But yeah definitely in NC its because its a state school.

/grew up in PA, and I have always hated PSU. Obnoxious fans. Their chant must exist because they are all too dumb to remember what school they go to.
 
2012-02-14 12:40:51 PM  

Killer Cars: I always thought the various rivalries down in "the triangle" were amusing since they're all honestly good schools with a largely preppy base of students. I'm sure it's very real to people directly involved, but from the outside....


While that's true, there are really some nuanced but stark dividing lines, especially between UNC-CH and Duke. There are socio-economic divides, some racial divides, the whole public vs private school divide, which also results in a different number of alumni. (Duke undergraduates, roughly 6500, UNC-CH undergraduates, roughly 18,000).

Duke, having half the number of students, has an endowment of 5.7 billion compared to UNC-CH 2.2 billion, as of 2011. And also, UNC-CH is older, and has legit claims to be the oldest public University in the United States.

So yeah, these are merely trends and numbers, not meant to define the schools, but one can see how they might cause a rift.
 
2012-02-14 12:41:48 PM  

Otto_von_Prawn: Duke is also pretty consistently near the top of the list among schools that graduate their players. You hear that, Maryland?


A smug, condescending Duke fan? Color me shocked.

And for the record, Maryland is one of those very few schools who don't allow athletes to finish their degrees online after leaving for the pros. But I don't expect a Duke fan to look deeper into other factors that affect graduation rate, just to keep giving out Sociology degrees like Halloween candy.
 
2012-02-14 12:43:20 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Duke, on the other hand is a tiny private university that somehow has fans everywhere who have literally never set foot in the state of North Carolina, let alone the Duke campus. I have a friend who loves to give me shiat about Duke beating Maryland who went to SUNY Geneseo and has never been to the Duke campus. That's farking obnoxious.


My Dad, of all people, has always had a hard-on for Duke. He's from Wisconsin, went to U of Wisconsin, and yet Duke is a close second for him in his collegiate rooting.

I think it's more of a respect for Coach K and the perception that every Blue Devil player is some academic wunderkind who will willfully pass up the NBA to cure cancer and bring prosperity to third-world nations. It never bothered me, but, it is what it is, I guess.
 
2012-02-14 12:45:27 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: moistD: I forgot to mention, I find it hilarious that people hate Duke for this. The vast majority of people who like UNC (outside of alums) probably are fans because they can buy #23 gear...

I have a friend who loves to give me shiat about Duke beating Maryland who went to SUNY Geneseo and has never been to the Duke campus. That's farking obnoxious.


No, farking obnoxious is when MD undergrads at the Comcast throw water bottles at the heads of the opposing team's parents. Or when the MD student section chants "F*ggot" at an opposing player, and nobody on the MD staff gets on the mic to tell them to cut that homophobic shiat. And let's not even get into the whole setting main street on fire after every big win.

THAT shiat is obnoxious.

/this shiat went on for a whole generation at CFH and then at Comcast. Now that they've cleaned it up a bit for the benefit of ESPN, everyone is supposed to forget, right?
 
2012-02-14 12:47:50 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Otto_von_Prawn: Duke is also pretty consistently near the top of the list among schools that graduate their players. You hear that, Maryland?

A smug, condescending Duke fan? Color me shocked.

And for the record, Maryland is one of those very few schools who don't allow athletes to finish their degrees online after leaving for the pros. But I don't expect a Duke fan to look deeper into other factors that affect graduation rate, just to keep giving out Sociology degrees like Halloween candy.




Citation needed. Put up or shut up.
 
2012-02-14 12:48:52 PM  

Killer Cars: I'm sure it's very real to people directly involved, but from the outside....


From the outside, that perspective is still flawed. Yes, there are "preps" that go to all five schools - and perhaps there are a larger percentage of those at Wake and Duke, considering the high tuition costs associated with a private university. But you have to remember, this is a state with 5 big-time schools. Let's take a town like Wilson. Population of about 45-50 thousand, just 40 miles east of Raleigh. In an average residential block of ~25 people, you'll have 5 Carolina alums, 5 NC State alums, 5 ECU alums, a Duke alum, and maybe a Wake alum. Then you scatter in the people that went to some little school like Mount Olive, Barton, High Point, or Elon, or they moved in from outside the state. You live next to, go to work with, run into in the shopping centers and movie theaters, hordes of people that went to the same or a rival school. And EVERYONE is passionate about one or both major sports, especially basketball, because four schools have storied traditions.

I can't think of another place in the county like this. Plenty of places have rivalries, but they're largely between just two schools. Texas, maybe, but the Longhorns are so prevalent and have been so dominant in football that unless you live closer to College Station, Lubbock, or had a clear church affiliation, you were a UT fan.
 
2012-02-14 12:49:55 PM  

moistD: haha while I can see how obnoxious that is (is he even a fan or he just knows it pisses you off?) its cracking me up right now. People get so pissed when they lose to Duke or someone cheers for Duke its comical. I guess growing up in PA most of the people I knew that were UNC fans were because of MJ. It was cool to wear his gear in the 90s from UNC. And having lived in the north east/mid-atlantic all my life most people I have met that are UNC fans are also just MJ fans. But yeah definitely in NC its because its a state school.


No, he's a Duke fan and it's mostly good-natured but just obnoxious. The obvious retort I can go to is to ask him about all those great times he had at Cameron (all zero of them) while I was going to about 60+ games at Cole during my 4 years at Maryland, plus roadtrips to UNC, UVA, Duke, NCST, Wake Forest, the Palestra (for a game vs. Penn), Temple, and all the games during the 2001 NCAA Tournament and Final Four.

That said, I get it. I grew up in the New York area without any college bball except for St. Johns or Seton Hall, so I was one of the kids who gravitated towards Duke. Now, speaking as a Maryland alum, Duke and Carolina fans are equally annoying. We don't really like anybody though, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual.
 
2012-02-14 12:52:09 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: moistD: haha while I can see how obnoxious that is (is he even a fan or he just knows it pisses you off?) its cracking me up right now. People get so pissed when they lose to Duke or someone cheers for Duke its comical. I guess growing up in PA most of the people I knew that were UNC fans were because of MJ. It was cool to wear his gear in the 90s from UNC. And having lived in the north east/mid-atlantic all my life most people I have met that are UNC fans are also just MJ fans. But yeah definitely in NC its because its a state school.

No, he's a Duke fan and it's mostly good-natured but just obnoxious. The obvious retort I can go to is to ask him about all those great times he had at Cameron (all zero of them) while I was going to about 60+ games at Cole during my 4 years at Maryland, plus roadtrips to UNC, UVA, Duke, NCST, Wake Forest, the Palestra (for a game vs. Penn), Temple, and all the games during the 2001 NCAA Tournament and Final Four.

That said, I get it. I grew up in the New York area without any college bball except for St. Johns or Seton Hall, so I was one of the kids who gravitated towards Duke. Now, speaking as a Maryland alum, Duke and Carolina fans are equally annoying. We don't really like anybody though, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual.


wouldn't you prefer to remember the 2002 tournament, especially when talking to a Duke fan?
 
2012-02-14 12:53:15 PM  

Otto_von_Prawn: No, farking obnoxious is when MD undergrads at the Comcast throw water bottles at the heads of the opposing team's parents.


Get your facts straight, that was at Cole. And they only did it because Carlos Boozer's mother looked thirsty.
 
2012-02-14 12:56:12 PM  

moistD: wouldn't you prefer to remember the 2002 tournament, especially when talking to a Duke fan?


Well yes, but I didn't get to go to that, I graduated in '01. And even the crushing semifinal loss to Duke (when Jason Williams fouled out 3 times but for some reason got to stay on the floor) can't sour that experience.

Plus, Duke took the easy way out in 2002 by choking away the game against Indiana. We deserved a chance to beat them for the title.
 
2012-02-14 12:58:49 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Otto_von_Prawn: No, farking obnoxious is when MD undergrads at the Comcast throw water bottles at the heads of the opposing team's parents.

Get your facts straight, that was at Cole. And they only did it because Carlos Boozer's mother looked thirsty.


haha now thats just funny. I mean I understand Otto wants to defend Duke but why even bother, "haters gonna hate" and that is fine. You will never talk a MD or UNC fan down from hatred of Duke.

/One of my favorite experiences in Boston was when I saw Duke play Villanova in the sweet 16. Yeah they got smoked but so many people were yelling at me and taunting during the Pitt game before and then during the Duke game. even when I took a piss. I loved it. I just kept pointing to the name on my chest. too easy.
 
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