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2012-02-14 12:53:42 PM  

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: docmattic: You're completely right. It's much better to rigidly adhere to strict moral guidelines and never explore controversial topics in fiction.

There is a difference between exploring such topics in a believable framework versus doing a "Very Special Episode" setup where the character's current actions do not match their prior actions. This is a publicity stunt, and a poorly thought out one at that.


I'm going with the "Part of the Big Bad's master plan" angle on this one.
 
2012-02-14 12:54:44 PM  

orclover: Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: cig-mkr: Cool message for the young girls out there. Party hard, fark anyone, don't worry about STD's, and if you happen to get knocked up, just abort it. Continue on with your merry life.

It is made worse because of the power that Buffy wields, particularly from Season 5 onward, where she eventually is a general by Season 8 and commands a pretty powerful army. She is a powerful entity who is feared and respected. Privately she has had to overcome her mother's death, has had to raise her teen sister and watched her home and town be destroyed at the end of the TV show. She's been killed twice and come back, which is fantastical, but still, that has to change a person. How believable is it that she's done all of this, and then gets teen pregnant at a random party via a random dude? It makes zero sense in her character arc up to that point. I know her name is Buffy and she's supposed to be a cheerleader/sorority type character, but she is well past that now. To revert her to some careless sorority girl who can't even figure out basic birth control is not credible.

This is why scifi writers need to end their series on a high note. When you get to season 5+ and you think you might be running out of ideas, STOP. I know the moneys good, I know the temptation is to bleed it dry for all its worth, but just farking STOP. Tell the CEO's fark you, put down the script and walk away, even if they continue the story with a different writer, all the fans will know that the story is over.


To be fair, Joss did end the TV show at the end of S7. The network wanted more.
 
2012-02-14 12:55:56 PM  

Dr. Whoof: Creoena: The Buffy books/comics do not count, sorry.

According to Joss, who, you know, kinda has more say than you, the comics (season 8 & 9, the Angel and Spike stuff from IDW and now the Angel/Faith book) do count.


Maybe, but not to me.
 
2012-02-14 01:00:09 PM  

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: docmattic: You're completely right. It's much better to rigidly adhere to strict moral guidelines and never explore controversial topics in fiction.

There is a difference between exploring such topics in a believable framework versus doing a "Very Special Episode" setup where the character's current actions do not match their prior actions. This is a publicity stunt, and a poorly thought out one at that.


So you're saying Buffy isn't known for making bad choices and having to deal with the consequences?

I'm going to assume you haven't seen most of Season 2, the early part of Season 3, parts of Season 5, pretty much all of Season 6 after Once More With Feeling, and at least the early part of Season 7.
 
2012-02-14 01:02:15 PM  

Creoena: The Buffy books/comics do not count, sorry.


I prefer to think that nothing after the end of Season 5 counts.

"She saved the world a lot." The End.
 
2012-02-14 01:05:07 PM  
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2012-02-14 01:07:07 PM  

Fano: [paneloftheday.files.wordpress.com image 400x454]


I'm not sure why you posted an image from Jim Balent's wonderfully awful Tarot, but I do like the cut of yer jib.
 
2012-02-14 01:07:08 PM  

orclover:

This is why scifi writers need to end their series on a high note. When you get to season 5+ and you think you might be running out of ideas, STOP. I know the moneys good, I know the temptation is to bleed it dry for all its worth, but just farking STOP. Tell the CEO's fark you, put down the script and walk away, even if they continue the story with a different writer, all the fans will know that the story is over.


Even ending it on a low point would be better than Whedon's usual "end it with no ending".
 
2012-02-14 01:10:36 PM  

Mad_Radhu: simplicimus: texdent: I predict Angel will show up, they'll talk and Buffy will keep the kid.

Yeah, cause Angel with a baby turned out so well the first time.

When I first started watching Mad Men, it was driving me crazy trying to figure out where I had seen Pete Campbell before. After a quick trip to IMDB, I was floored to see that he was Connor. He's going to have a great career playing characters you love to hate.


Considering this gem from his wikipedia entry, he may be an actor you want to love to hate too.

"Kartheiser is a vegetarian[8] and has chosen not to have children describing both decisions as "green choices."[9]"
 
2012-02-14 01:11:47 PM  

dv-ous: Mad_Radhu: simplicimus: texdent: I predict Angel will show up, they'll talk and Buffy will keep the kid.

Yeah, cause Angel with a baby turned out so well the first time.

When I first started watching Mad Men, it was driving me crazy trying to figure out where I had seen Pete Campbell before. After a quick trip to IMDB, I was floored to see that he was Connor. He's going to have a great career playing characters you love to hate.

Considering this gem from his wikipedia entry, he may be an actor you want to love to hate too.

"Kartheiser is a vegetarian[8] and has chosen not to have children describing both decisions as "green choices."[9]"


The former? Not so bad? The latter? Grade-A Douche.
 
2012-02-14 01:13:06 PM  

Dr. Whoof: Creoena: The Buffy books/comics do not count, sorry.

According to Joss, who, you know, kinda has more say than you, the comics (season 8 & 9, the Angel and Spike stuff from IDW and now the Angel/Faith book) do count.


Yes, but to anyone who has any shred of decency and sanity, they do not.
 
2012-02-14 01:20:16 PM  

hippydippy: Creoena: The Buffy books/comics do not count, sorry.


I prefer to think that nothing after the end of Season 5 counts.

"She saved the world a lot." The End.


Season 6 was just a mess. I watched 3/4 of it expecting them to get in gear at some point, and it was just a depressing, nihilistic mish-mash of half thought out ideas that didn't go anywhere. The musical episode was a return to form, but otherwise, Joss leaving the primary duties to someone else really showed. I tried Season 7, but just didn't really care at that point.
 
2012-02-14 01:20:37 PM  

PizzaJedi81: Dr. Whoof: /They're married, you know.

Damn him.

simplicimus: PizzaJedi81: simplicimus: Which is why I like B5. 5 year arc, and we're outta here. Of course the Studio screwed that up, but still good

How awesome would it have been if Intersections in Real Time was the ACTUAL 4th season finale?

I'm one of those who actually like Season 5, the whole the rebels won the war, now they have to govern thing hasn't been done too many times.

Oh, I'm not saying I didn't like it. But just imagine spending 3 months or so wondering what happened to Sheridan.



It actually kind of worked out that way, thanks to the screwy scheduling of the original airings.

PTEN, the original "network" of the show, would do this idiotic thing where they would cut the season short during the summer and then air the last few episodes of the season in the fall, presumably to maximize ratings. Most times it REALLY killed the flow of the show, because you'd get things like Hour of the Wolf airing the week after Z'Ha'dum, which watered down the emotional impact of the season finales quite a bit. In the case of Intersections in Real Time, however, the summer break in the airing wound up turning that episode into a proper season ending cliffhanger, since it aired in June of 1997 and the last four episodes of season 4 were held back until October (even though the show was already canceled on PTEN at this point).

Long story shot, those of us who watched the original airings actually DID have to wait almost 4 months to find out what happened to Sheridan after he was captured and tortured.
 
2012-02-14 01:25:42 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Long story shot, those of us who watched the original airings actually DID have to wait almost 4 months to find out what happened to Sheridan after he was captured and tortured.


The original run was a crapshoot for a ton of people in a lot of ways. I lived in an area at the time that, fortunately, aired the shows at roughly the same time throughout the entire PTEN run (and ran them on a weekday night). A lot of areas didn't have that sort of luck.

Of course, that was nothing compared to the comical exercise which was the initial TNT run, complete with the promo bumpers that had the wrong names for characters. (i.e. "Sherman's In Charge!" in the promo for Season 2 Ep 1)
 
2012-02-14 01:34:35 PM  

Knara: Dr. Whoof: Creoena: The Buffy books/comics do not count, sorry.

According to Joss, who, you know, kinda has more say than you, the comics (season 8 & 9, the Angel and Spike stuff from IDW and now the Angel/Faith book) do count.

Yes, but to anyone who has any shred of decency and sanity, they do not.


You clearly have never spent any time in the Star Wars EU trenches. This is nothing compared to that.
 
2012-02-14 01:37:13 PM  

hippydippy: I prefer to think that nothing after the end of Season 5 counts.


In much the same way as how BSG ended when they left New Caprica?

Sounds good to me.
 
2012-02-14 01:40:06 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: orclover:

This is why scifi writers need to end their series on a high note. When you get to season 5+ and you think you might be running out of ideas, STOP. I know the moneys good, I know the temptation is to bleed it dry for all its worth, but just farking STOP. Tell the CEO's fark you, put down the script and walk away, even if they continue the story with a different writer, all the fans will know that the story is over.

Even ending it on a low point would be better than Whedon's usual "end it with no ending".


static.tvguide.com

Whedon like most money sucking whores can never say no to an easy paycheck. But lets face it, any of us would suck a lepers dick for a couple million dollars, Josh is no different. Its not right, but it is reality.

/for reference, see every show on TV and also star wars.
 
2012-02-14 01:40:13 PM  

Dr. Whoof: Knara: Dr. Whoof: Creoena: The Buffy books/comics do not count, sorry.

According to Joss, who, you know, kinda has more say than you, the comics (season 8 & 9, the Angel and Spike stuff from IDW and now the Angel/Faith book) do count.

Yes, but to anyone who has any shred of decency and sanity, they do not.

You clearly have never spent any time in the Star Wars EU trenches. This is nothing compared to that.


WHat? You mean that someone working on instruments of death for the Empire, believing them to be tools for mining phlebotinum, even though they have names like Sun Crusher and Death Star is less believeable? :-)
 
2012-02-14 01:40:23 PM  

Knara: Mad_Radhu: Long story shot, those of us who watched the original airings actually DID have to wait almost 4 months to find out what happened to Sheridan after he was captured and tortured.

The original run was a crapshoot for a ton of people in a lot of ways. I lived in an area at the time that, fortunately, aired the shows at roughly the same time throughout the entire PTEN run (and ran them on a weekday night). A lot of areas didn't have that sort of luck.

Of course, that was nothing compared to the comical exercise which was the initial TNT run, complete with the promo bumpers that had the wrong names for characters. (i.e. "Sherman's In Charge!" in the promo for Season 2 Ep 1)



Sherman, Sheridan. All those Yankee generals are the same to the people in Atlanta.
 
2012-02-14 01:42:53 PM  

PizzaJedi81: Dr. Whoof: Knara: Dr. Whoof: Creoena: The Buffy books/comics do not count, sorry.

According to Joss, who, you know, kinda has more say than you, the comics (season 8 & 9, the Angel and Spike stuff from IDW and now the Angel/Faith book) do count.

Yes, but to anyone who has any shred of decency and sanity, they do not.

You clearly have never spent any time in the Star Wars EU trenches. This is nothing compared to that.

WHat? You mean that someone working on instruments of death for the Empire, believing them to be tools for mining phlebotinum, even though they have names like Sun Crusher and Death Star is less believeable? :-)


At least Joss is hands-on with this, and has said the previous stuff is definitely non-canon. The Star Wars model of making EVERYTHING fit is stupid, and Lucas only really cares about the movies and the Clone Wars cartoons, because those are the only things he has ever really worked on.
 
2012-02-14 01:42:54 PM  

PizzaJedi81: You clearly have never spent any time in the Star Wars EU trenches. This is nothing compared to that.

WHat? You mean that someone working on instruments of death for the Empire, believing them to be tools for mining phlebotinum, even though they have names like Sun Crusher and Death Star is less believeable? :-)


"You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault."
 
2012-02-14 01:46:24 PM  

Mad_Radhu: PizzaJedi81: You clearly have never spent any time in the Star Wars EU trenches. This is nothing compared to that.

WHat? You mean that someone working on instruments of death for the Empire, believing them to be tools for mining phlebotinum, even though they have names like Sun Crusher and Death Star is less believeable? :-)

"You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault."


See, the thing is, they may have been fed that line, that it's totally NOT a superweapon for destroying enemies of the Empire. If so, they may have "known" what they were working on without knowing the truth.
 
2012-02-14 01:47:01 PM  
I loved Buffy, but I really couldn't get into the Comic Book. It just didn't seem like the same universe or characters to me. I rather remember the show the way it was rather than the ridiculousness that happens in the comics (especially the whole Dawn being a giant centaur part) and Buffy's lesbian affair made no sense although if they did it on the show...

I preferred the Angel comic, mostly because I wasn't sufficiently satisfied with the ending of Angel since they didn't get a chance to really finish the series, but I also stopped reading it after a short time. It was ridiculous and whatnot, but it was more in line with the show which also became ridiculous about the time they took over Wolfram and Hart (not that I minded).

Angel just lent itself better to a comic due to the nature of the show. Buffy was more about a girl coming of age having to face some really messed up stuff and her relationships with her friends. Her personality, friendships, and hardships made the show charming and endearing. Angel was more about action (not that Buffy didn't have action, but that isn't what I think draws most people to it in my opinion). The comic just didn't captivate the essence of what made Buffy endearing to me.
 
2012-02-14 01:47:39 PM  
The number of pictures of Henry Winkler in this thread has the same order of magnitude as the pictures of hot Buffy chicks. Disappoint.
 
2012-02-14 01:50:16 PM  

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: Naeva: Doesn't sound from the article like Spike is the father, or even could be a father. I would think Vamps couldn't get a human pregnant.. but I have no idea what the Buffy mythology is. I only read part of Season 8, and gave it up for being too silly.

The father is apparently just some dude she met at a party. I read the synopsis of Season 8 and it seemed to be a really epic event where they pulled in practically everyone who had ever been on the show. Then (spoiler alert) by the end of the Season 8 everything returned status quo and Buffy is back to just being a lone slayer living a quiet life in California. The whole arc was fairly meaningless aside from magic being removed from the world. To have her as some sort of general that led a worldwide army of slayers and then reduced to basically the same life she had on the TV show is frankly, bad story telling. They didn't want to keep going with the epic story they led up to in the TV show, so it got swept under the rug. Silly or not, they can tell much more grand stories off TV, and the best they can do is some hybrid of the TV show and Angel Investigations.

I loved that show when it was on TV, up until Season 6. I consider everything from there on, TV or comic book, to never have existed anyway. Checking in on the comic book plot is liking finding your ex on Facebook and seeing that they weigh 250 pounds, married some slob and live in a trailer park.


Oh god, EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS.

I read about 3/4 of Season 8 and aside from the comic's ability to include more lesbian imagery than they could on TV, there was nothing going for it. Nothing.

Still though... more lesbian content wasn't that bad... except I have no idea what was going on with Willow and that magical... spirit guide or whatever.

I will probably catch up with Buffy Season 9 eventually but if it's worse than Season 8, it will barely be worth it. I think they probably should have just let it the franchise stay dead unless they had a really badass story to tell. Instead the comics are random, pointless rehashing and it seems like they just want to keep cashing in on the fans, and considering how much I spent on the DVD box set and other Buffy related stuff over the years... I have to draw the line somewhere.
 
2012-02-14 01:50:39 PM  

Dr. Whoof: You clearly have never spent any time in the Star Wars EU trenches. This is nothing compared to that.


I ejected right after I read the first couple post-Zahn books (during the first print runs of the Zahn books).

I could already see where it was going, and wanted to part of it.
 
2012-02-14 01:51:25 PM  

Knara: wanted to part no it.


FTFM
 
2012-02-14 01:52:15 PM  
I would have liked a few more seasons of "Firefly" so I could see how Whedon would have ruined that show.
 
2012-02-14 01:53:09 PM  

Dr. Whoof: PizzaJedi81: Dr. Whoof: Knara: Dr. Whoof: Creoena: The Buffy books/comics do not count, sorry.

According to Joss, who, you know, kinda has more say than you, the comics (season 8 & 9, the Angel and Spike stuff from IDW and now the Angel/Faith book) do count.

Yes, but to anyone who has any shred of decency and sanity, they do not.

You clearly have never spent any time in the Star Wars EU trenches. This is nothing compared to that.

WHat? You mean that someone working on instruments of death for the Empire, believing them to be tools for mining phlebotinum, even though they have names like Sun Crusher and Death Star is less believeable? :-)

At least Joss is hands-on with this, and has said the previous stuff is definitely non-canon. The Star Wars model of making EVERYTHING fit is stupid, and Lucas only really cares about the movies and the Clone Wars cartoons, because those are the only things he has ever really worked on.


I can't believe I'm going to defend the Star Wars EU, but I did enjoy some of those books.

However, the couple dozen of them I read were when i was 15, and my love of Star Wars beyond the original three movies died completely after Attack of the Clones, so...
 
2012-02-14 01:54:29 PM  
...and no, "Serenity" doesn't count.
 
2012-02-14 01:55:42 PM  

bobbette: Dr. Whoof: PizzaJedi81: Dr. Whoof: Knara: Dr. Whoof: Creoena: The Buffy books/comics do not count, sorry.

According to Joss, who, you know, kinda has more say than you, the comics (season 8 & 9, the Angel and Spike stuff from IDW and now the Angel/Faith book) do count.

Yes, but to anyone who has any shred of decency and sanity, they do not.

You clearly have never spent any time in the Star Wars EU trenches. This is nothing compared to that.

WHat? You mean that someone working on instruments of death for the Empire, believing them to be tools for mining phlebotinum, even though they have names like Sun Crusher and Death Star is less believeable? :-)

At least Joss is hands-on with this, and has said the previous stuff is definitely non-canon. The Star Wars model of making EVERYTHING fit is stupid, and Lucas only really cares about the movies and the Clone Wars cartoons, because those are the only things he has ever really worked on.

I can't believe I'm going to defend the Star Wars EU, but I did enjoy some of those books.

However, the couple dozen of them I read were when i was 15, and my love of Star Wars beyond the original three movies died completely after Attack of the Clones, so...


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Let's just use flimsy canon to pick and choose what stories we accept
 
2012-02-14 01:56:06 PM  

give me doughnuts: I would have liked a few more seasons of "Firefly" so I could see how Whedon Marti Noxon would have ruined that show.


Ruins every show. I'd say she's ruining Glee now, but it was already just one more high-pitched solo by Kurt away from being a hate crime against viewers.
 
2012-02-14 02:00:47 PM  

bobbette: give me doughnuts: I would have liked a few more seasons of "Firefly" so I could see how Whedon Marti Noxon would have ruined that show.

Ruins every show. I'd say she's ruining Glee now, but it was already just one more high-pitched solo by Kurt away from being a hate crime against viewers.


I'm one of the few people who liked Season 6 and 7, but Noxon tends to not do amazing things with shows since then.

/Glee was always bad, it just took people a while to realize it
 
2012-02-14 02:01:26 PM  

bobbette: I can't believe I'm going to defend the Star Wars EU, but I did enjoy some of those books.


I actually remember enjoying Jedi Academy when I was a teenager (I forget how old, but I was either 15 or 16. Perfect age for reading Anderson.). I'm going to re-read them again soon, see how they stand up for me.

Also, anything, ANYTHING Zahn writes in the Star Wars universe needs to be canon. In fact, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if he'd been involved with the prequels they'd have been fairly awesome. Not much of a limb, I know.

/Allegiance, Outbound Flight...seriously, if you see the words Timothy Zahn anywhere near the words Star Wars buy it immediately.
 
2012-02-14 02:02:24 PM  

give me doughnuts: I would have liked a few more seasons of "Firefly" so I could see how Whedon would have ruined that show.


give me doughnuts: ...and no, "Serenity" doesn't count.


If a few more seasons would shut up the incessant droning on by the Browncoats, month after month, year after year, for some sort of video-based continuation to that series, I'd be all for your wish coming true.
 
2012-02-14 02:04:26 PM  

bobbette: I can't believe I'm going to defend the Star Wars EU, but I did enjoy some of those books.


Nothing wrong with enjoying them. Trying to make them all fit together somehow, however, and arguing which one is right, or more right, than the other, moves into the realm of religious studies.
 
2012-02-14 02:04:31 PM  

Fano:

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Let's just use flimsy canon to pick and choose what stories we accept


Oh I do.

A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi: canon
Thrawn books... I'll allow them

Everything else: meh
 
2012-02-14 02:06:13 PM  

bobbette: Thrawn Timothy Zahn books... I'll allow them


FTFY. No, seriously. Outbound Flight tries to fix some of the issues of the prequels, rather wll, I felt.
 
2012-02-14 02:09:51 PM  

Knara: Dr. Whoof: You clearly have never spent any time in the Star Wars EU trenches. This is nothing compared to that.

I ejected right after I read the first couple post-Zahn books (during the first print runs of the Zahn books).

I could already see where it was going, and wanted to part of it.


I bailed after what happened to Chewie, god that series sucked eggs.

And Dr. Whoof what Joss is doing is not equivalent to the suck of SW EU. It's closer to what Lucas himself has been doing to Star Wars for decades now.
 
2012-02-14 02:11:29 PM  

bobbette: give me doughnuts: I would have liked a few more seasons of "Firefly" so I could see how Whedon Marti Noxon would have ruined that show.

Ruins every show. I'd say she's ruining Glee now, but it was already just one more high-pitched solo by Kurt away from being a hate crime against viewers.


I was wondering why Mad Men suddenly went downhill, and then saw her name in the credits.

To her credit, the Fright Night remake was actually pretty solid, though.
 
2012-02-14 02:15:21 PM  

Knara: bobbette: give me doughnuts: I would have liked a few more seasons of "Firefly" so I could see how Whedon Marti Noxon would have ruined that show.

Ruins every show. I'd say she's ruining Glee now, but it was already just one more high-pitched solo by Kurt away from being a hate crime against viewers.

I'm one of the few people who liked Season 6 and 7, but Noxon tends to not do amazing things with shows since then.

/Glee was always bad, it just took people a while to realize it


The first half of season one was actually quite good, but then the show became a hit and it took itself far too seriously afterwards, which killed some of the fun. Hopefully American Horror Story won't take a similar dive in the second season. Season 1 was unabashed trashy fun.
 
2012-02-14 02:16:43 PM  

Boudyro: And Dr. Whoof what Joss is doing is not equivalent to the suck of SW EU. It's closer to what Lucas himself has been doing to Star Wars for decades now.


Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

JMS has finally set side Babylon 5, which is good, I think. Even though the Telepath War novels are canon, I don't want to read them, because, for me, the TV series + "In the Beginning" are all that's needed to tell the story I want to see.

/plus anything else would be minus Andreas Katsulas and Richard Biggs, and that'd be no good at all
 
2012-02-14 02:18:25 PM  
In two "seasons" of Buffy comics, Whedon has continued the story lines from the television show. But the previous Season 8 issues were too "comic-booky and overblown" for his tastes, so when Whedon and series writer Andrew Chambliss began breaking down stories for the current Season 9, they decided to return to the mission statement of the original TV show, which was to follow the story of a woman at important points in her life.

IE, I can't really do the gimmick where I kill off a super well known character to generate comic book sales and having our title character be a bit bisexual generated a lot of attention... So we need something even bigger and more controversial to get our sales back up again... Hrm, now what issue could we possibly come up with that is a powder keg ready to explode every second of every day in the United States...
 
2012-02-14 02:28:21 PM  

Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: So no thanks. If the show is over, it's OVER. The comic is just a wild tangent; Nothing more.


How do people not break their fists when they punch Wolverine? He's got a metal skeleton!
 
2012-02-14 02:30:20 PM  

Boudyro: Knara: Dr. Whoof: You clearly have never spent any time in the Star Wars EU trenches. This is nothing compared to that.

I ejected right after I read the first couple post-Zahn books (during the first print runs of the Zahn books).

I could already see where it was going, and wanted to part of it.

I bailed after what happened to Chewie, god that series sucked eggs.


New Jedi Order is pretty much the second worst part of the Star Wars EU. The worst is Karen Traviss.

And Dr. Whoof what Joss is doing is not equivalent to the suck of SW EU. It's closer to what Lucas himself has been doing to Star Wars for decades now.

Joss isn't going back and re-writing what happened during Buffy, so sorry, can't see the comparison. He's just continuing the story. You don't have to like it, but it's not nearly the same as literally revising your old work just because you can.

On the other hand, Clone Wars is pretty damned awesome. But I give Dave Filoni most of the credit for that. After all, he did damn fine work with Avatar the Last Airbender.
 
2012-02-14 02:33:13 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: So no thanks. If the show is over, it's OVER. The comic is just a wild tangent; Nothing more.

How do people not break their fists when they punch Wolverine? He's got a metal skeleton!


How come Wolverine's teeth aren't adamantium-colored? The stuff supposedly coats every bone in his body, yet there his teeth are, pearly white.
 
2012-02-14 02:34:24 PM  

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: Rev. Skarekroe: Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: So no thanks. If the show is over, it's OVER. The comic is just a wild tangent; Nothing more.

How do people not break their fists when they punch Wolverine? He's got a metal skeleton!

How come Wolverine's teeth aren't adamantium-colored? The stuff supposedly coats every bone in his body, yet there his teeth are, pearly white.


It would have screwed up his expensive orthodontic work.
 
2012-02-14 02:35:24 PM  

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: The stuff supposedly coats every bone in his body, yet there his teeth are, pearly white.


Look, he's trying to keep it on the downlow, but...ya know that whole "Hating Cyclops" thing? Now...consider that love and hate are two sides of the same coin.

He gives Cyke bjs, is what I'm saying.
 
2012-02-14 02:50:17 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: Rev. Skarekroe: Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: So no thanks. If the show is over, it's OVER. The comic is just a wild tangent; Nothing more.

How do people not break their fists when they punch Wolverine? He's got a metal skeleton!

How come Wolverine's teeth aren't adamantium-colored? The stuff supposedly coats every bone in his body, yet there his teeth are, pearly white.

It would have screwed up his expensive orthodontic work.


In one of the two What-If? issues where Wolverine was lord of the vampires (he killed Dracula and somehow became a vampire himself) he had adamantium fangs.
 
2012-02-14 03:09:22 PM  

Dr. Whoof: Boudyro: Knara: Dr. Whoof: You clearly have never spent any time in the Star Wars EU trenches. This is nothing compared to that.

I ejected right after I read the first couple post-Zahn books (during the first print runs of the Zahn books).

I could already see where it was going, and wanted to part of it.

I bailed after what happened to Chewie, god that series sucked eggs.

New Jedi Order is pretty much the second worst part of the Star Wars EU. The worst is Karen Traviss.

And Dr. Whoof what Joss is doing is not equivalent to the suck of SW EU. It's closer to what Lucas himself has been doing to Star Wars for decades now.

Joss isn't going back and re-writing what happened during Buffy, so sorry, can't see the comparison. He's just continuing the story. You don't have to like it, but it's not nearly the same as literally revising your old work just because you can.

On the other hand, Clone Wars is pretty damned awesome. But I give Dave Filoni most of the credit for that. After all, he did damn fine work with Avatar the Last Airbender.


It is exactly like Lucas, he's gotten to the point where he has such control over the characters that there is no one left be the character's advocate when he comes up with something that is out of character. It's the dilemma of total control.

In Lucas we get it with ceaseless retconning, with Joss he's retconnig who the characters are. The abortion thing is an excellent example. Buffy around Seasons 3-5 getting knocked up? I'm there, I buy it. After Season 7? After she spent part of season 6 and 7 below the poverty line and survived it? After she fully embraced who she is, and become a leader? Nope. That is every bit a rewrite of Buffy's character as Greedo shooting first is for Han.

Now like I said, I'm a fan of Joss's work. He one of the greats, but even the best writer runs out of gas on their characters eventually. Even more, they need people to tell them when they have a terrible idea. it makes them come up with better ones. For some people total artistic control is as bad as no artistic control. Lucas and Joss happen to be two examples of it.

Ultimately they are his characters and he can do with them what he wills. Doesn't mean I have to follow him there. It doesn't make him right. It also doesn't mean I can't call bullshait on him. The guy ain't perfect. So stop white-knighting; he won't have sex with you.
 
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