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2012-02-14 03:52:49 AM
PSIE.

/Pink Slip In Email.
 
2012-02-14 04:37:56 AM
Under school district policy, teachers are allowed to "friend" students on Facebook, but as far as he could tell, Colpitts said Withee had no Oxford Hills School District students as "friends" on his page.

This just seems like a recipe for disaster. I'm not a teacher, but why would you ever need to be facebook friends with your students? What function could it serve that couldn't be just as easily be done through email?
 
2012-02-14 05:05:41 AM
NONE.

The students don't need to know what's going on in their teacher's personal lives, and vice versa.
 
2012-02-14 05:14:43 AM
fta: It was intended to be seen by a personal friend but instead was inadvertently posted publicly, he said.

What a totally retarded reason to ruin a decades long career.

This is why there are no nude pics of me in existence in any format.

/Yeah, the whole "uglier than sin" thing factors there too.
 
2012-02-14 05:27:51 AM
quatchi: fta: It was intended to be seen by a personal friend but instead was inadvertently posted publicly, he said.

What a totally retarded reason to ruin a decades long career.

This is why there are no nude pics of me in existence in any format.

/Yeah, the whole "uglier than sin" thing factors there too.


You sound boring.

There's far too many nekkid pics of me out there which I'm sure could be used against me in the event of me becoming prime minister. Given the unlikeliness of this occurring though, I'd say that the gamble has paid off, as the fun I've had has been worth it. I'm sure no one in this thread knows about this sort of thing though...
 
2012-02-14 05:33:04 AM
SJKebab: quatchi: fta: It was intended to be seen by a personal friend but instead was inadvertently posted publicly, he said.

What a totally retarded reason to ruin a decades long career.

This is why there are no nude pics of me in existence in any format.

/Yeah, the whole "uglier than sin" thing factors there too.

You sound boring.

There's far too many nekkid pics of me out there which I'm sure could be used against me in the event of me becoming prime minister. Given the unlikeliness of this occurring though, I'd say that the gamble has paid off, as the fun I've had has been worth it. I'm sure no one in this thread knows about this sort of thing though...


Nope, no idea.
 
2012-02-14 05:44:17 AM
miss diminutive: Under school district policy, teachers are allowed to "friend" students on Facebook, but as far as he could tell, Colpitts said Withee had no Oxford Hills School District students as "friends" on his page.

This just seems like a recipe for disaster. I'm not a teacher, but why would you ever need to be facebook friends with your students? What function could it serve that couldn't be just as easily be done through email?


It makes communicating with classes as a whole, sharing information, answering questions in a way that everyone can see the answer etc. much easier. Since so many students are already using facebook, and it already has the features for such community sharing and message boards, it's much easier and has higher participation than setting your own mailing lists ang group discussion boards.

With Facebook's privacy settings, it's pretty easy to separate your personal, professional, and public lives. My students only see what I specifically allow them to see, and they don't get to see any aspects of my personal life. I don't get why so few people understand that Facebook is capable of this.

In short, if used properly, Facebook is actually a useful and valuable tool for communicating with students and parents. Sometimes I think G+ has a better interface for this with its circles, but none of my students use it, so it's a no go from the start.

/teacher
 
2012-02-14 05:54:45 AM
mamoru: miss diminutive: Under school district policy, teachers are allowed to "friend" students on Facebook, but as far as he could tell, Colpitts said Withee had no Oxford Hills School District students as "friends" on his page.

This just seems like a recipe for disaster. I'm not a teacher, but why would you ever need to be facebook friends with your students? What function could it serve that couldn't be just as easily be done through email?

It makes communicating with classes as a whole, sharing information, answering questions in a way that everyone can see the answer etc. much easier. Since so many students are already using facebook, and it already has the features for such community sharing and message boards, it's much easier and has higher participation than setting your own mailing lists ang group discussion boards.

With Facebook's privacy settings, it's pretty easy to separate your personal, professional, and public lives. My students only see what I specifically allow them to see, and they don't get to see any aspects of my personal life. I don't get why so few people understand that Facebook is capable of this.

In short, if used properly, Facebook is actually a useful and valuable tool for communicating with students and parents. Sometimes I think G+ has a better interface for this with its circles, but none of my students use it, so it's a no go from the start.

/teacher


Thanks for the answer. I can see how facebook could have its applications if used properly but I'm not sure why it's necessary. Aren't questions and material covered in class, where everyone can see the results and processes anyway? Since this isn't college there isn't really as much of an issue as people skipping classes and requiring follow-up information.

It just seems to me that if a teacher starts posting school-related answers to problems on facebook then they're just doing more work that they aren't being paid for. If students begin to expect that teaching will happen online as well as in class then it I can see it becoming a problem. Teachers are already spending time outside of class preparing lesson plans and marking, why add more to the list?
 
2012-02-14 06:19:39 AM
miss diminutive: why would you ever need to be facebook friends with your students?

Because there is no other way to communicate with them.
 
2012-02-14 06:22:27 AM
SkunkWerks: miss diminutive: why would you ever need to be facebook friends with your students?

Because there is no other way to communicate with them.


Has speaking to them gone out of style already?
 
2012-02-14 06:25:27 AM
miss diminutive: SkunkWerks: miss diminutive: why would you ever need to be facebook friends with your students?

Because there is no other way to communicate with them.

Has speaking to them gone out of style already?


Yes.
 
2012-02-14 06:26:07 AM
This thread is useful without prics.
 
2012-02-14 06:32:54 AM
He made an innocent mistake. One person noticed.
He should not have resigned.
His resignation should not have been accepted.

The woman said her son played football for Withee and looked up to the coach. She said Withee's actions last week completely changed her perspective of him as a coach and mentor and left her feeling let down as a parent. Needs to get a life, and the Principal should be backing his teacher..
 
2012-02-14 06:35:46 AM
miss diminutive: but I'm not sure why it's necessary.

It's not necessary. Simply useful and convenient. :)

Aren't questions and material covered in class, where everyone can see the results and processes anyway? Since this isn't college there isn't really as much of an issue as people skipping classes and requiring follow-up information.

Well, yes and no. Sometimes there isn't enough time in class to cover things, so we have to give homework and assigned reading and such. Having a convenient way to help with that outside of the classroom and not in person is a big help. Especially as a biology teacher, because over 3 years (here in Thailand), we cover a lot of material, and there definitely isn't enough time in class to do it effectively.

Also, with Facebook making it so easy to connect and share info, it is a great way for me to share extra stuff that might be of interest to my students. I read a lot of biology blogs and research papers and such in my own time, and I like to be able to link to interesting articles that are related to what we are studying in class, so that any students can read them if they want. Yes, it's strictly optional, and probably very few students read the stuff I link (I also make such links visible to everyone else; in this case my personal interests in biology overlap with both my personal life and my professional life), but still, it's there. Given all of the material I have to teach in class, I don't always have time to bring up the interesting stuff I come across about modern biological research.

Facebook makes a good platform for doing such things. Like I said, Google+ would probably also make a good platform (probably an even better one, because a lot of the biologists and science writers I read are rather active on G+, and if my students were as well, they'd more easily be able to ask questions directly to such folks who are actually in the thick of such research). But, none of my students use it or even seem interested in using it, and I'm pretty sure it would be a bit over the line to demand they make an account as part of my class. Maybe in a university setting, but not in a high school setting.

It just seems to me that if a teacher starts posting school-related answers to problems on facebook then they're just doing more work that they aren't being paid for. If students begin to expect that teaching will happen online as well as in class then it I can see it becoming a problem. Teachers are already spending time outside of class preparing lesson plans and marking, why add more to the list?

Well, I can't speak for other teachers in other countries, but if I were in it for the money or concerned only with the time I'm paid for, then a.) I wouldn't be a teacher, because it's a shiatty job for that kind of thing, and b.) I wouldn't be doing it here in Thailand, where they pay, while fine for Thai standards, is basically shiat (my yearly income before taxes is about $15,500 US... I'm definitely not in it for the money).

I put in all of the extra effort because I love teaching and I want to do my very best to make sure my students learn the material as well as they can and actually understand it as much as they can, so that they will be able to use it in their futures and perhaps make a difference in their fields. It's probably cliche and idealistic, but that is why I teach. That is what is important to me.

Also, the time I put into it is completely optional. If a student asks me a question on Facebook, I can always let it wait until I see them in school (usually, I'll post a quick reply saying so). So, with that in mind, it helps make me more flexible with my teaching, rather than less.

Anyway, like I said at the start of this post, it's definitely not necessary. It's just useful and convenient, and in some ways it helps me be a better teacher. YMMV, of course. :)
 
2012-02-14 06:38:28 AM
RoyBatty: He made an innocent mistake. One person noticed.
He should not have resigned.
His resignation should not have been accepted.


Help Wanted: The Oxford Hills School District is seeking 1 certified school teacher familiar with academics as applied in a high school setting. Must be familiar with and comfortable navigating Facebook privacy settings.


And so it was that Facebook not only took over all your login credentials online, but in real life as well...
 
2012-02-14 06:40:17 AM
that guy should not be posting nude pictures of himself to any place ever, regardless of his profession. firing him does seem a bit exaggerated though. it's not like he went and pulled down the pants of some nubile young slut.
 
2012-02-14 06:40:50 AM
I am ugly so thankfully there are no pictures of me naked, but even if I were attractive I still would not do it. Not because I am against that sort of thing (I'm not) but because of the negative consequences such as what happened to this teacher.

Given that no one but a parent saw the pic, he immediately took it down, and he quickly removed it, he should not have lost his job.
 
2012-02-14 06:47:30 AM
deserved to lose job, not over picture posted but for being a dumb shiat that doesn't know how to use a simple piece o crap like facebook
 
2012-02-14 06:50:00 AM
I'm confused.

He's a Norwegian teacher who works in Paris, yet the story was filed from Oxford? How many countries are involved in this?
 
2012-02-14 06:51:18 AM
mamoru: I put in all of the extra effort because I love teaching and I want to do my very best to make sure my students learn the material as well as they can and actually understand it as much as they can, so that they will be able to use it in their futures and perhaps make a difference in their fields. It's probably cliche and idealistic, but that is why I teach. That is what is important to me.

Well it sounds like your students are lucky to have you. Just don't post nude pics of yourself and you'll be fine. =)
 
2012-02-14 06:57:55 AM
JackalRabbit: deserved to lose job, not over picture posted but for being a dumb shiat that doesn't know how to use a simple piece o crap like facebook

That describes about 90% of people using Facebook, if the stories hold true. From what I can see, most people using it are apparently not computer-literate enough to use even simpler "pieces of shiat" that have been around about five times longer than Facebook, else they wouldn't have a need for it Facebook in the first place.

That said, I'm not sure we have the resources to fire all of the peopel fitting your description, nor could we afford the labor shortage.
 
2012-02-14 06:58:54 AM
I'm accidentally posting a nude photo of myself right now so I'm getting a big kick out of this...
 
2012-02-14 07:01:35 AM
Eek, a penis!

Nosy parents are retarded.
 
2012-02-14 07:05:19 AM
miss diminutive: Under school district policy, teachers are allowed to "friend" students on Facebook, but as far as he could tell, Colpitts said Withee had no Oxford Hills School District students as "friends" on his page.

This just seems like a recipe for disaster. I'm not a teacher, but why would you ever need to be facebook friends with your students? What function could it serve that couldn't be just as easily be done through email?


because youth today don't use email. I agree, I wouldn't friend any students, opens the door to too much trouble, but students today view email as snail mail.
 
2012-02-14 07:05:48 AM
SkunkWerks: That describes about 90% of people using Facebook, if the stories hold true. From what I can see, most people using it are apparently not computer-literate enough to use even simpler "pieces of shiat" that have been around about five times longer than Facebook, else they wouldn't have a need for it Facebook in the first place.

90% might be a little high, but when idiots do screw up it makes for some good times.

3.bp.blogspot.com

/hot like a love cave between the legs
 
2012-02-14 07:06:42 AM
miss diminutive: but why would you ever need to be facebook friends with your students

I think this is a fairly American issue. In many countries once you get to your teen years you end up being friends with your teachers, you see them out and about, your parents may invite them over for dinner and so on.
 
2012-02-14 07:06:58 AM
Oh for farks sake. I'm hoping the coming solar storms wipe out the grid for 12-36 months so humanity can learn a lesson about what's really important
 
2012-02-14 07:11:02 AM
SkunkWerks: That said, I'm not sure we have the resources to fire all of the peopel fitting your description, nor could we afford the labor shortage.

in this economy? lot's o people would welcome it. jobs is jobs.

miss diminutive: /hot like a love cave between the legs

didn't the b52s record that?
 
2012-02-14 07:11:04 AM
Hyjamon: because youth 40+ people today don't use email, and the few who do think it's for infinite FWD/RE chain mailings that not only expose your e-mail address to thousands of people who don't need to know it, but very likely have viruses and other malware in their attachments.

FIFTY
 
2012-02-14 07:16:55 AM
JackalRabbit: in this economy?

In a graver tone than the comment to which you are responding: yes, in this economy. The sudden loss of all those people who are otherwise professionally capable of the jobs they do would be a shock that could crash things quite easily.

While I am normally a big fan of letting "natural consequences" apply I think the de facto Facebook-literacy requirement in this story is where the "dumbass" tag really applies here. No students were affected, and in the context of general Facebook literacy among most people using the thing, this was, in fact, an "honest" mistake. Forcing his resignation over this was overzealous, hasty and imprudent.
 
2012-02-14 07:17:25 AM
This is why I only post naked photos of other people to my Facebook account. Duh. I wouldn't want to post anything embarrassing. I have my grandmother on my friends list!
 
2012-02-14 07:39:52 AM
SkunkWerks: miss diminutive: why would you ever need to be facebook friends with your students?

Because there is no other way to communicate with them.


Thread over. Good night everyone.

Seriously, this whole 'Facebook being a primary means of communication thing' is absolutely asinine. It's a damn shame my entire family does this. Everything from my sister getting married, knocked up, giving birth and divorced (all in the same year) to a death in the family yesterday has been brought to my attention via facebook. This social networking generation and the instant gratification it attempts to offer can kiss my ass.

/my lawn, get off of it!
 
2012-02-14 07:52:28 AM
If you want to avoid embarrassment, don't TAKE nude pictures of yourself. That way you won't be tempted to POST them or "accidentally" post them.
 
2012-02-14 08:02:17 AM
FTFA: At least one parent, on the other hand, disagreed with classifying the action as a mistake. The woman, who asked that her name not be used, said she and her family were extremely disappointed in Withee's actions.

The woman said her son played football for Withee and looked up to the coach. She said Withee's actions last week completely changed her perspective of him as a coach and mentor and left her feeling let down as a parent.

Twat must be a farking Mennonite
 
2012-02-14 08:02:22 AM
America is weird about nudity.

It's probably because more people here have shiatty bodies. The biggest prudes tend to have bodies like chicken mcnuggets.

In Europe, females are generally fit and hot. Here? Not so much...
 
2012-02-14 08:12:19 AM
mc_madness: In Europe, females are generally fit and hot. Here? Not so much...

Where as all men everywhere are hot-bodied studs, right?
 
2012-02-14 08:17:27 AM
miss diminutive: Under school district policy, teachers are allowed to "friend" students on Facebook, but as far as he could tell, Colpitts said Withee had no Oxford Hills School District students as "friends" on his page.

This just seems like a recipe for disaster. I'm not a teacher, but why would you ever need to be facebook friends with your students? What function could it serve that couldn't be just as easily be done through email?


I've had many teachers who were also family friends.
 
2012-02-14 08:21:14 AM
mc_madness: America is weird about nudity.

Not that weird. Well, not that complex anyway. Take pretty much anyone's reaction to nudity as a subject matter, from the Prudish Censorhappy Spinster to the Oversexed, Underexperienced Prepubescent Teen- neither can stop talking about Boobies with an obsession to rival OCD.

To me it's all just different symptoms of the same malady- which is essentially a post-puritanical approach to sexuality that isn't nearly post-enough.


And while Females maybe generally fit in Europe (honestly I can't really comment because I don't know the numbers), then males by contrast don't seem to know when not to wear speedos...
 
2012-02-14 08:43:33 AM
mamoru: With Facebook's privacy settings, it's pretty easy to separate your personal, professional, and public lives. My students only see what I specifically allow them to see, and they don't get to see any aspects of my personal life.

Until they revamp their privacy settings for the umpteenth time. Whoops!

/stays far, far away from facebook
 
2012-02-14 08:50:51 AM
Fubegra: Until they revamp their privacy settings for the umpteenth time. Whoops!

That's what people say every time Facebook changes something, but so far, with every change, they have never set anything to public that I had previously set to private or only viewable to certain lists, and they have never opted me in to any new features. I've been watching closely every time too, because I keep expecting to get bit. But so far nothing.

Either I'm doing something right, or I'm just getting lucky and not having the same shiat happen that other people do. :-/
 
2012-02-14 09:04:00 AM
mamoru: Fubegra: Until they revamp their privacy settings for the umpteenth time. Whoops!

That's what people say every time Facebook changes something, but so far, with every change, they have never set anything to public that I had previously set to private or only viewable to certain lists, and they have never opted me in to any new features. I've been watching closely every time too, because I keep expecting to get bit. But so far nothing.

Either I'm doing something right, or I'm just getting lucky and not having the same shiat happen that other people do. :-/


As an IT guy, "user error" (PEBCAK, ID-10-T errors, etc.) tends to be the primary cause of nearly all computer problems at some level, so, it seems very believable to me it's just that people don't know how to use Facebook's privacy settings- and not so much that they aren't present, or are being circumvented "somehow" during updates.

On the other hand, the staggering number of people who remain unable to use those features seems to speak worlds about the product's usability and overall user friendliness- particularly since we are, again, speaking of a market demographic that mostly finds using other common (and far more longstanding) communications services/tools available by way of computers frustrating and inconvenient.

This would kinda be an important aspect of any such service- you would think.


That said, I can't help but return to a rather important and inseparable part of Facebook's genesis and overall reason for being: advertising. To put it in the simplest terms, Facebook has absolutely no incentive to spend inordinate amounts of time making privacy features more accessible, useable and better understood to the average user. In fact, they rather starkly have an incentive not to do so... particularly given the overall tech-helplessness of their main market demographic.

They have you by the balls, and they've got no reason at all to give a wet slap about how tight they're squeezing them.
 
2012-02-14 09:39:53 AM
Liked my headline(s) better.
 
2012-02-14 09:41:50 AM
WhyteRaven74: miss diminutive: but why would you ever need to be facebook friends with your students

I think this is a fairly American issue. In many countries once you get to your teen years you end up being friends with your teachers, you see them out and about, your parents may invite them over for dinner and so on.


It used to be true here too, I've been out of school for quite a while so I have no idea if it still is. I had teachers I didn't like, but I also had teachers who were friends, we actually hung out outside of school. Never facebook friends though - facebook (and the web) didn't exist yet.

My parents never invited any of them for dinner, but my parents never invited anybody for dinner, they were pretty anti-social.
 
2012-02-14 09:49:43 AM
miss diminutive: SkunkWerks: That describes about 90% of people using Facebook, if the stories hold true. From what I can see, most people using it are apparently not computer-literate enough to use even simpler "pieces of shiat" that have been around about five times longer than Facebook, else they wouldn't have a need for it Facebook in the first place.

90% might be a little high, but when idiots do screw up it makes for some good times.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x504]

/hot like a love cave between the legs


Tracey's hot. Stoopid but hawt.
 
2012-02-14 10:21:04 AM
i292.photobucket.com

Do you guys know how to post nude photos to Facebook?
 
2012-02-14 10:25:46 AM
Great.

Nude photos of Coach McGuirk.

Almost as appalling as the boudoir photos of Jon Benjamin used to advertise Jon Benjamin has a Van.

what has been seen can not be unseen: http://sharetv.org/shows/jon_benjamin_has_a_van
 
2012-02-14 11:08:45 AM
miss diminutive: /hot like a love cave between the legs

Why does it say she's engaged if she's going on dates and having sex with a man for the first time in months?
 
2012-02-14 11:18:42 AM
jaylectricity: miss diminutive: /hot like a love cave between the legs

Why does it say she's engaged if she's going on dates and having sex with a man for the first time in months?


I dunno. She's a slut?
 
2012-02-14 11:39:14 AM
Penis.

/On Facebook
 
2012-02-14 12:09:31 PM
The only photos I've wanted from past g/f's are nice pretty pics of them in sun dresses. Nude photos only lead to trouble.
 
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