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(Some Trekkie)   The nerds have been at it for a couple weeks now. So just what can you see in the Blu-ray version of Star Trek TNG that was hidden in SD?   (ex-astris-scientia.org) divider line 90
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2012-02-14 12:54:11 AM
A way to make nerds pay an extra $100 per season to buy it again
 
2012-02-14 01:08:18 AM
This whole project seems like a bad idea. The original series looked really cheap already, and the CGI updates and stuff just made it look more contemporary. TNG looked really good for TV at the time, and these updates just make it look embarrassingly bad now. That carpet under Data's clearly plastic chair, wtf
 
2012-02-14 01:17:29 AM
Pores and seams.
 
2012-02-14 01:23:52 AM
.......look at you people........you..... have you ever kissed a girl?
 
2012-02-14 04:05:46 AM
I've used this pic numerous times but never has it felt more appropriate:

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2012-02-14 09:21:45 AM
I'm worried that there's something wrong with me. I can't think of anything, of which I have an interest in, that I'd be that concerned about the details.

/yes, I know, there are PLENTY of things wrong with me.
 
2012-02-14 09:34:45 AM
And that is just the first episode ! The nerdiness is reaching awesome levels!
 
2012-02-14 09:48:31 AM
Watch the episode "Justice". Lots of near nudity in that one so you might catch a nip slip or something. Lots of women's butts hanging out of skimpy outfits too. Plus a young Wes getting all embarrassed.
 
2012-02-14 09:53:34 AM
That was the nerdiest thing I ever saw. The only thing that matters in the HD remaster is how clear the cameltoes will be.
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2012-02-14 10:15:02 AM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: That was the nerdiest thing I ever saw. The only thing that matters in the HD remaster is how clear the cameltoes will be.
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yes
 
2012-02-14 10:19:24 AM

miss diminutive: I've used this pic numerous times but never has it felt more appropriate:

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I never noticed Riker laughing in the background of that pic before
 
2012-02-14 10:20:10 AM
I hope to see some of the striations in the rocks of Galorndon Core.
 
2012-02-14 10:22:28 AM
Some sort of lighting equipment can be seen in the top right corner in this shot. It is even better visible in TNG-R.
 
2012-02-14 10:23:41 AM

Your Zionist Leader: miss diminutive: I've used this pic numerous times but never has it felt more appropriate:

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I never noticed Riker laughing in the background of that pic before


You would have noticed earlier if that pic came from TNG-R..
 
2012-02-14 10:25:16 AM

ArkAngel: A way to make nerds pay an extra $100 per season to buy it again


'This is gonna replace DVD's soon; guess I'll have to buy Star Trek again'
 
2012-02-14 10:28:21 AM
Observations in TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint"

That it was a shiatty episode?

/How to immediately tell if a STTNG episode will suck: old uniforms, Riker is clean-shaven.
 
2012-02-14 10:29:12 AM

Tax Boy: /How to immediately tell if a STTNG episode will suck: old uniforms, Riker is clean-shaven or Lwaxana Troi is in it.


FTFY
 
2012-02-14 10:33:18 AM

Walker: Watch the episode "Justice". Lots of near nudity in that one so you might catch a nip slip or something. Lots of women's butts hanging out of skimpy outfits too. Plus a young Wes getting all embarrassed.


FTFY

/No offense meant, Wil
 
2012-02-14 10:47:00 AM
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2012-02-14 10:50:10 AM

DamnYankees: Tax Boy: /How to immediately tell if a STTNG episode will suck: old uniforms, Riker is clean-shaven or Lwaxana Troi is in it.

FTFY


If it starts on the holodeck..... Every single holodeck episode has sucked ass..
 
2012-02-14 10:53:01 AM
ArkAngel: A way to make nerds pay an extra $100 per season to buy it again

No way. At most it'll be $60 a season on release.
 
2012-02-14 10:56:43 AM
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2012-02-14 11:02:55 AM

MadSkillz: DamnYankees: Tax Boy: /How to immediately tell if a STTNG episode will suck: old uniforms, Riker is clean-shaven or Lwaxana Troi is in it.

FTFY

If it starts on the holodeck..... Every single holodeck episode has sucked ass..


No way. "Ship in a Bottle", the Moriarty episode, is great.
 
2012-02-14 11:05:07 AM

MadSkillz: DamnYankees: Tax Boy: /How to immediately tell if a STTNG episode will suck: old uniforms, Riker is clean-shaven or Lwaxana Troi is in it.

FTFY

If it starts on the holodeck..... Every single holodeck episode has sucked ass..


I liked the Moriarty episodes.
 
2012-02-14 11:11:17 AM

GranoblasticMan: Paying $100 for a season with improvements equivalent to someone hitting the "Enhance" button a couple times?

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No thanks...

/ Ok, hue/saturation but it's the same shiat


Have you seen how bad the original version of TNG looks on a big screen? When they made the original show they shot on film, transferred the unedited film to standard-definition videotape, then finished the episode by editing the videotape. This results in picture quality similar to archival 1980s TV news footage. The farking "masters" are two generations lossy from the start.

Now they're scanning the original unedited film in HD and reassembling the edits from scratch and rebuilding the effects (although this time, unlike the 1960s series remastering, they're keeping the original ship model photography whenever possible). It may not look like it was made yesterday but it looks like you're seeing the original film instead of a copy of a copy on a VCR.
 
2012-02-14 11:18:43 AM
GranoblasticMan: Paying $100 for a season with improvements equivalent to someone hitting the "Enhance" button a couple times?

No thanks...

/ Ok, hue/saturation but it's the same shiat


Actually, it's more than that.

There's a lot more resolution. Treks tape masters were technically sub-SD spec. Going by the sampler that also did a very good job of NOT hitting the "enhance" button. Color correction is finally fixed (no more burgundy and mustard uniforms), and there's noticeable film grain which means they didn't turn up the art deco button and give us wax figures. Picture whores agree, it's one of the best transfers to bluray yet (as far as not altering it). The process is pretty remarkable, since they have to stitch the negatives back together into a film master. They're also redoing all the rotoscoped hand drawn effects in CGI, while maintaining the base footage of the models and FX work as much as possible.

As for the episodes, Far Point is a stinker and no amount of clarity will improve. The FX sequences were the (good) jaw droppers of the episode, but equally as jaw dropping was Sirtis' & Crosbys' ham acting. The cinematography looks something out of film school, and it was before they locked down what worked and what didn't. Lots of ubiquitous dialogue and scenes that make no sense. Picard telling Crusher to take a transfer in the third act, and awkwardly getting called out while having no relation to anything going on in the story, really stuck out. Picard was never Kirk, but that scene made him feel like Westley. Stewert and DeLances sparing was the only thing that saves it. Besides the really good FX work that makes some modern CGI pale in comparison.

Inner Light and SoTF were pretty fraking awesome though. And both really showed off how to do a transfer right with wildly different lighting and exposure. They're a little more high brow, and a less on the flash bang, but they're still solid and enjoyable. HD wise, you see a lot of things you never did, some add such as detail in the clothing and sets, weapons and computer screens. Some subtract like positioning markers, a few scenes with bad lighting, or a rushed makeup job.

Season 1 has a lot of stinkers with a few gems, but season 3-7 is going to be very nice to see in HD.

They don't make it any "better", but I would say it's a more "enjoyable" experience not to watch them in what can only be visually described as washed out and smeared in Vaseline.
 
2012-02-14 11:22:33 AM
DamnYankees: MadSkillz: DamnYankees: Tax Boy: /How to immediately tell if a STTNG episode will suck: old uniforms, Riker is clean-shaven or Lwaxana Troi is in it.

FTFY

If it starts on the holodeck..... Every single holodeck episode has sucked ass..

No way. "Ship in a Bottle", the Moriarty episode, is great.


A few of Picards private eye episodes are great too, especially now in HD since they were done in film noir style. Smoke from Picard smoking, huge differences in dark and light. It's really going to help those episodes.

I'm also pretty excited to see some of the FX heavy episodes. The one where Picard keeps getting thrown back in time, Q who, Datalore, ect.

Trek was always hit or miss, but it'shiats are still enjoyable. They did what they could and needed to on a network budget in the 80's, which only increased with their viewership.
 
2012-02-14 11:30:52 AM
TyrantII: blah blah blah..

Honestly, upon thinking of it more, ILM and Probert probably saved TNG with Far Point.

The stuff holds up well still, but is unremarkable in our age of CGI. But back in 86' this was shiat you would only get on the big screen, and only if you were lucky. Some of the effect sequences look as good as Trek/SW/BTTF in the movies, and that was remarkable at the time for TV.

I'd wager that the poor, campy, overt melodramatic script of farpoint was overlooked for FX sequences and overall story. It probably saved the pilot and gave it some breathing room it wouldn't have had otherwise. At least until they hired a few writers and Gene got sick enough where he wasn't doing the day to day raping of the scripts.
 
2012-02-14 11:34:34 AM
"Here's what I don't do: Let's list our ten favorite episodes.Let's list our least favorite episodes. Let's list our favorite galaxies. Let's make a chart to see how often our favorite galaxies appear in our favorite episodes. What Romulan would you most like to see coupled with a Cardassian and why? Let's spend a weekend talking about Romulans falling in love with Cardassians and then let's do it again. That's not being a fan. That's having a fetish."
 
2012-02-14 11:35:32 AM

Tax Boy: Observations in TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint"

That it was a shiatty episode?

/How to immediately tell if a STTNG episode will suck: old uniforms, Riker is clean-shaven.


Let's be honest. If TNG had not had "Star Trek" in the title it would have been laughed off of the air. The first two years are nothing but shiat. Not a single episode worth a damn in the lot of them.
 
2012-02-14 11:37:29 AM
Oh joy. Now we can relive every weak-ass matte painting, the time some dumbass FX tech had the Enterprise phasers coming out of the torpedo launcher, and the fifty or so times they used the cargo ship model from STIII to stand in for an alien ship. All in glorious high-def.

I suppose its nice and all, but I'd be more interested in picking it up if they'd done a revamp of the effects as well. Like they did with the BR TOS Trek a few years ago.
 
2012-02-14 11:45:16 AM
I wonder if the updated version will be coming to the Netflix/Amazon streaming versions.

On that same note, is the streaming version of TOS the updated or original SFX?
 
2012-02-14 11:46:36 AM
Sometimes extending a set with a painting looks really fake, but they really nailed it in this shot (new window). A similar painting in the Star Wars detention center had to be replaced with CGI because it was obvious and they didn't even keep the camera where it had to be to match the perspective of the painting.
 
2012-02-14 11:47:40 AM

Ed Grubermann: The first two years are nothing but shiat. Not a single episode worth a damn in the lot of them.


Measure of a Man is pretty good.
 
2012-02-14 11:52:10 AM

bsharitt: I wonder if the updated version will be coming to the Netflix/Amazon streaming versions.

On that same note, is the streaming version of TOS the updated or original SFX?


it's HD but the streaming compression steps on the image quality pretty hard.
 
2012-02-14 12:35:26 PM

TyrantII: Trek was always hit or miss, but it'shiats are still enjoyable.


Heh.
 
2012-02-14 12:37:09 PM

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When I was paging down all I got at first was her head, and I was like ooo an Amy Acker pic...and then I saw the fake boobs and was like, nope, not her.
 
2012-02-14 12:41:32 PM
Ed Grubermann: Tax Boy: Observations in TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint"

That it was a shiatty episode?

/How to immediately tell if a STTNG episode will suck: old uniforms, Riker is clean-shaven.

Let's be honest. If TNG had not had "Star Trek" in the title it would have been laughed off of the air. The first two years are nothing but shiat. Not a single episode worth a damn in the lot of them.


"Where No One Has Gone Before"
The Battle"
"The Big Goodbye"
"Datalore"
"11001001"
"Home Soil"
"Conspiracy"

"Elementary, Dear Data"
"The Schizoid Man"
"A Matter of Honor"
"The Measure of a Man"
"Time Squared"
"Pen Pals"
"Q Who"
"The Emissary"
"Peak Performance"

Honestly, the second half of season 2 is where it picks up considerably. Might not be Game of Thrones / Boardwalk empire material, but pretty good in comparison to the crap still playing on network television.
 
2012-02-14 12:49:47 PM
Old enough to know better: Oh joy. Now we can relive every weak-ass matte painting, the time some dumbass FX tech had the Enterprise phasers coming out of the torpedo launcher, and the fifty or so times they used the cargo ship model from STIII to stand in for an alien ship. All in glorious high-def.

I suppose its nice and all, but I'd be more interested in picking it up if they'd done a revamp of the effects as well. Like they did with the BR TOS Trek a few years ago.


They fixed the energy beam originating from the captains yacht at the end of Farpoint. It now comes from the phaser array, as Picard orders.

The Okuda's are on the project, and they said they will be fixing some of the small mistakes made in post in haste. But only minor things, as they don't want to change the show. Good for them, as there's already calls to BSG up TNG over at Trek BBS which would ruin it.

Phasers, explosions, FX over live action are all being redone CGI because the elements before were 20 year old CGI or hand drawn in a telecine machine. It's apparent, because it doesn't look like crap 80's effects, and actually makes the model work and matte paintings that much better IMO. Honestly, check out farpoint and focus on the FX shots. They could substitute them in a newer space flick and they'd hold up with the combination of new small detail FX and old stock they've done up. It's better than TOS because it's a combination while not altering the original.

And honestly, if Trekkies want some over the top CGI changes, let them fiddle in lightwave and splice in their own renders. If they can produce their own damn fanfics, they can do CGI on their spare time as a different project to rape the original work.
 
2012-02-14 01:14:20 PM
In the new ST TNG, you can see Frank Oz off-screen, operating the wires that control the actors.
 
2012-02-14 01:15:25 PM

Ed Grubermann: Tax Boy: Observations in TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint"

That it was a shiatty episode?

/How to immediately tell if a STTNG episode will suck: old uniforms, Riker is clean-shaven.

Let's be honest. If TNG had not had "Star Trek" in the title it would have been laughed off of the air. The first two years are nothing but shiat. Not a single episode worth a damn in the lot of them.


And yet Enterprise was not given the same chance. It got canceled just as it started to get good.

Had they never done the time saga, I think Enterprise could have worked really well.
 
2012-02-14 01:26:12 PM
Wow. That's an awful lot of work with no discernable point.

And I don't mean this as a "nerds are nerdy" dig, I like Star Trek, and I get the Trekkie/Trekker fanatacism, but this is an amazing level of minutiea trivialities.
 
2012-02-14 01:26:24 PM

Nem Wan: Sometimes extending a set with a painting looks really fake, but they really nailed it in this shot (new window). A similar painting in the Star Wars detention center had to be replaced with CGI because it was obvious and they didn't even keep the camera where it had to be to match the perspective of the painting.


Apparently whomever's page you linked to is a douche bag who doesn't know how the internet works. Alternative link?
 
2012-02-14 01:37:08 PM
Best TNG episode is the one where the ship keeps blowing up while in a time warp so they keep repeating the incident. They play poker and the 5th or 6th time through they realize that they could call what card was coming next. Data saves the day by using Rikers idea about using the tractorbeam
 
2012-02-14 01:43:58 PM

Confabulat: This whole project seems like a bad idea. The original series looked really cheap already, and the CGI updates and stuff just made it look more contemporary. TNG looked really good for TV at the time, and these updates just make it look embarrassingly bad now. That carpet under Data's clearly plastic chair, wtf


Incorrect.

Re: TOS, there are two remasters.

First, which seems to be the root of the confusion, were the George Lucas'd ones. The ones with the new CGI effects shots that look like they were done by a high schooler fooling around in Maya. They're farking awful.

And then came the Blu-ray releases. These included both the aforementioned craptastic versions, as well as the episodes as originally show--but actually remastered. So that the visual and audio quality is crisp and on par with any current-generation high-def release. And it looks fantastic, even when the quality is so good you can see the edges of makeup and masks.

The TNG remaster is the second of these. They're re-scanning the original film negatives to produce a natively high-def image, and taking the time to colour correct everything. So no more pink and mustard uniforms. And as to the VFX shots, those were ALSO done on film. Multiple passes of models being lit in different ways and then composited into a single seamless shot. Since they have the original film negatives of these shots as well, they are ALSO able to be re-scanned and converted into native high-def. There's no George Lucasing going on here (except for that one shot of having shifted the energy beam to the phaser array instead of the middle of the saucer).
 
2012-02-14 01:44:52 PM

jeanwearinfool: Nem Wan: Sometimes extending a set with a painting looks really fake, but they really nailed it in this shot (new window). A similar painting in the Star Wars detention center had to be replaced with CGI because it was obvious and they didn't even keep the camera where it had to be to match the perspective of the painting.

Apparently whomever's page you linked to is a douche bag who doesn't know how the internet works. Alternative link?



You can copy and past the link to circumvent Bernd's link protection.
 
2012-02-14 01:49:30 PM

NeedlesslyCanadian: Confabulat: This whole project seems like a bad idea. The original series looked really cheap already, and the CGI updates and stuff just made it look more contemporary. TNG looked really good for TV at the time, and these updates just make it look embarrassingly bad now. That carpet under Data's clearly plastic chair, wtf

Incorrect.

Re: TOS, there are two remasters.

First, which seems to be the root of the confusion, were the George Lucas'd ones. The ones with the new CGI effects shots that look like they were done by a high schooler fooling around in Maya. They're farking awful.

And then came the Blu-ray releases. These included both the aforementioned craptastic versions, as well as the episodes as originally show--but actually remastered. So that the visual and audio quality is crisp and on par with any current-generation high-def release. And it looks fantastic, even when the quality is so good you can see the edges of makeup and masks.

The TNG remaster is the second of these. They're re-scanning the original film negatives to produce a natively high-def image, and taking the time to colour correct everything. So no more pink and mustard uniforms. And as to the VFX shots, those were ALSO done on film. Multiple passes of models being lit in different ways and then composited into a single seamless shot. Since they have the original film negatives of these shots as well, they are ALSO able to be re-scanned and converted into native high-def. There's no George Lucasing going on here (except for that one shot of having shifted the energy beam to the phaser array instead of the middle of the saucer).


This is true for the vast majority of the remastering. Some original footage has been permanently lost. There is a several second shot on the bridge in Sins of the Father where it is obviously in SD. As per the Amazon comments, this bit was actually noted on the packaging, saying that they just could not find the original film and ended up resorting to doing the best they could with the standard definition that they had.
 
2012-02-14 01:51:43 PM

kyleaugustus: jeanwearinfool: Nem Wan: Sometimes extending a set with a painting looks really fake, but they really nailed it in this shot (new window). A similar painting in the Star Wars detention center had to be replaced with CGI because it was obvious and they didn't even keep the camera where it had to be to match the perspective of the painting.

Apparently whomever's page you linked to is a douche bag who doesn't know how the internet works. Alternative link?


You can copy and past the link to circumvent Bernd's link protection.


Thanks.
 
2012-02-14 02:00:03 PM

kyleaugustus: NeedlesslyCanadian: Confabulat: This whole project seems like a bad idea. The original series looked really cheap already, and the CGI updates and stuff just made it look more contemporary. TNG looked really good for TV at the time, and these updates just make it look embarrassingly bad now. That carpet under Data's clearly plastic chair, wtf

Incorrect.

Re: TOS, there are two remasters.

First, which seems to be the root of the confusion, were the George Lucas'd ones. The ones with the new CGI effects shots that look like they were done by a high schooler fooling around in Maya. They're farking awful.

And then came the Blu-ray releases. These included both the aforementioned craptastic versions, as well as the episodes as originally show--but actually remastered. So that the visual and audio quality is crisp and on par with any current-generation high-def release. And it looks fantastic, even when the quality is so good you can see the edges of makeup and masks.

The TNG remaster is the second of these. They're re-scanning the original film negatives to produce a natively high-def image, and taking the time to colour correct everything. So no more pink and mustard uniforms. And as to the VFX shots, those were ALSO done on film. Multiple passes of models being lit in different ways and then composited into a single seamless shot. Since they have the original film negatives of these shots as well, they are ALSO able to be re-scanned and converted into native high-def. There's no George Lucasing going on here (except for that one shot of having shifted the energy beam to the phaser array instead of the middle of the saucer).

This is true for the vast majority of the remastering. Some original footage has been permanently lost. There is a several second shot on the bridge in Sins of the Father where it is obviously in SD. As per the Amazon comments, this bit was actually noted on the packaging, saying that they just could not find the original film and ended up r ...


Yeah, you're right. Forgot about that, my bad.

Still, that's not George Lucas-ing it.
 
2012-02-14 02:09:30 PM

RockChalkH1N1: Best TNG episode is the one where the ship keeps blowing up while in a time warp so they keep repeating the incident. They play poker and the 5th or 6th time through they realize that they could call what card was coming next. Data saves the day by using Rikers idea about using the tractorbeam

decompressing the main shuttlebay.

That episode stuck with me..
Good stuff.
 
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