Yet another example of government interfering in maters that are best left to the free market

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Are they all malnourished? The tallest of them is barely 5'8".

I want to know how this farm even got on the radar of the FDA, you would think a government agency would be more concerned about possible large scale problems that could effect hundreds of thousands or possibly millions of Americans and not have even looked at an Amish farm that can probably only supply milk to a few hundred people at most.

Although i have to say that the idea that unpasteurized milk is better for you than pasteurized is just silly. Then again i think the health benefits of milk are significantly overrated as it is.

Anenu: I want to know how this farm even got on the radar of the FDA, you would think a government agency would be more concerned about possible large scale problems that could effect hundreds of thousands or possibly millions of Americans and not have even looked at an Amish farm that can probably only supply milk to a few hundred people at most.

Although i have to say that the idea that unpasteurized milk is better for you than pasteurized is just silly. Then again i think the health benefits of milk are significantly overrated as it is.

In my case, it's not about health, it's about taste.
Damn, milk straight for the cow is the yummiest thing ever.

I can't even construct a good response. So stupid. Such a waste of tax money.

Our politicians and government agencies are so out of touch with what really matters it isn't even funny anymore.

There are reasons we pasteurize our food.

nekom: Does the phrase "pick your battles" just not occur to law enforcement at all these days?

Nope because slaps on the wrist only sting for a little

"Funeral of the Gerber family, wiped out by botulism caused by consumption of home- canned string beans at Albany, Oregon, USA in 1924
FROM C.E. DOLMAN (1964) BOTULISM AS A WORLD HEALTH PROBLEM: IN BOTULISM: PROCEEDINGS OF A SYMPOSIUM, EDITED BY K.H. LEWIS & K. CASSEL (AMERICAN PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE PUBLICATION NO. 999-FP-1)"

(If anyone is curious)

So he can continue to produce and sell the milk as long as he stays within PA, but if he crosses state lines, that's a no-no. Fark you very much, Congress.

The solution is simple: repeal the Interstate Commerce Clause. Has it ever been used for good?

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"In other news today, eight members of the notorious Baggins crime family were arrested during a police raid on an illicit pipe-weed smuggling ring."

The comments on that site are an amazing pit of stupid.

But so is spending god knows how much money shutting down an "illegal milk operation"

More farking government is the answer to everything.

I encourage everyone to kick a so called progressive in the nuts today. It won't fix them, but you sure will feel better for a short while.

i only want to drink the milk of kelly mcgillis circa witness. why do you hate me so?

Wow, I think that knowing the actual reasons that unpasteurized dairy products aren't allowed to be shipped causes the whole narrative to kinda break down for me. I mean, I can't help adding annotations for the members of the audience capable of outwitting a doorknob as I read:

His customers are wary of talking publicly, fearing the FDA will come after them because they're incredibly farking retarded and thus have no idea what the FDA's actual purview is.

"I can't believe in 2012 the federal government is raiding Amish farmers who sell food that has scientifically been demonstrated to regularly kill people if there are even minor storage or shipping issues at gunpoint all over a basic human right to eat natural food," said one of them, who asked not to be named and can't even bother with the 30 seconds of Google it takes to know that FDA agents don't carry guns or even show up in person in most cases, but received weekly shipments of eggs, milk, honey and butter from Rainbow Acres, a farm near Lancaster, Pa. "In Maryland, they force taxpayers to pay for abortions, but God forbid we want the same milk our grandparents drank, and died from drinking in significantly significant numbers." he noted, drawing a surprisingly astute analogy between the intelligence of raw-milk advocates and anti-abortion wingnuts.

"It's not like farktards like me sometimes feed other people from my supplies, thus putting random strangers who don't have my self-destructive tendencies in danger as well or anything," I figure he probably added, given that he's one of the stupidest jackasses I've seen quoted in print in the last couple decades.

It makes absolutely no sense that you can sell raw milk within the state of Pennsylvania but you cannot sell it across the border. If raw milk is as dangerous as the FDA claims it is then it should be banned completely.

there's always more in play than appears.

#1) Pasteurization is the best way to go. If you've seen someone with Undulant Fever -
. . . "contagious zoonosis caused by ingestion of unsterilized milk or meat from infected animals or close contact with their secretions. Transmission from human to human, through sexual contact or from mother to child, is rare but possible.[3] Brucella spp. are small, Gram-negative, non-motile, non-spore-forming, rod shaped (coccobacilli) bacteria. They function as facultative intracellular parasites causing chronic disease, which usually persists for life." you'd understand why they're on disability for life. Which, even if you aren't concerned with the human aspect of the suffering, is far more expensive than abortions in Maryland.

#2) It's a simple law to follow. Isn't expensive so do it and try to get other laws passed that permit it.

#3) In the early 1990's I was offered a farm near there by a broker. "The owner wants 275k from the Amish. You could buy it for far less, say 180-200k. That way he'll feel better about it and his family and neighbors won't curse at him when he's buying gasoline or at the bar having a drink". There's no love lost for the Amish in that area. The only non-Amish that profit from the tourists are the gas stations and perhaps a hotel or two.

My thinking is that if you're going to turn your back on a society you might not want to keep your hand extended for their cash. There are quite a few enclaves across america that have nothing to do with society in general and they don't cause any issues for anyone. The Amish are a different story. They want the money just not the issues that go along with it. One begets the other as far as I can tell.

I wonder what the FDA's stance on tobacco farms is

Indolent: I feel safer already.

Anyone else think that roundup that jay posted looks like a collection of LOTR rejects?

More like
"Hi-ho, hi-ho
It's off to jail we go.."

Except there are 8 of them.

The FSMA(Food Safety Modernization Act) will produce more of these type of government raids. Socialism is neither liberal or conservative. Socialism just gives more and more power to the government. People better start realizing the more power the government has over one's life the more one has becomes enslaved to it. It doesn't matter what way you lean politically. Just imagine an elected government with opposite views of yours taking over with the powers implemented.

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This is the reason we can't get good cheese in this country, too. Had to go to France to get some tasty 30 day old farm cheese...mmmmmm....

I think everything here has to be pasteurized and aged a minimum of 90 days, if I'm not mistaken.

As has been pointed out here, it is *legal* to sell raw milk in Pennsylvania. Caveat emptor.

If Mr. Allgyer's customers wanted raw milk that badly, why didn't they just drive up to Lancaster or Chambersburg or wherever and load up their coolers with it?

You guys are all cool and everything, bashing the government for doing this, but in this area within the last two weeks, a farm was shut down for selling contaminated raw milk. Lots of very sick people.

But when you get violently ill from your precious raw milk, you'll be biatching "why aren't there regulations for this sort of thing? I could've been killed."

Smidge204: Hey, I hope you don't mind, I got up a little early, so I took the liberty of milking your cow for you...

We don't have a cow. Have a bull though.

I wonder how long until the FDA says breast milk needs to be pasteurized.

Fresh milk tards deserve to drink the crap. Just sign a contract that says the seller isn't liable for your dumb ass croaking.

Mock26: It makes absolutely no sense that you can sell raw milk within the state of Pennsylvania but you cannot sell it across the border. If raw milk is as dangerous as the FDA claims it is then it should be banned completely.

This is how the US Constitution works. The federal government is limited in its powers. If Pennsylvania wants to ban raw milk, it can.

leevis: I wonder how long until the FDA says breast milk needs to be pasteurized.

As soon as they find out what your mom had for dinner

leevis: I wonder how long until the FDA says breast milk needs to be pasteurized.

Probably around the time they decide to start harvesting milk from thousands of women, storing it all in one vat and running it all through one set of machinery and selling it to the general public. You know, a situation where only a single infected source can contaminate the food of tens of thousands of people.
=Smidge=

Indolent: I feel safer already.

Anyone else think that roundup that jay posted looks like a collection of LOTR rejects?

I thought they were just big Jim Breuer fans.


GuidoDelConfuso: The solution is simple: repeal the Interstate Commerce Clause. Has it ever been used for good?

Other than ending Jim Crow?

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There are reasons we pasteurize our food.

Uncomfortable bench seating?

After the FDA first took action, Mr. Allgyer changed his business model. He arranged to sell shares in the cows to his customers, arguing that they owned the milk and he was only transferring it to them.

Judge Stengel called that deal "merely a subterfuge."

"The practical result of the arrangement is that consumers pay money to Mr. Allgyer and receive raw milk," the judge wrote in a 13-page opinion.


As long as that practicval result isn;t illegal, why the fark are the feds involved.

These are the same people who sting slaughter ops and the like. I almost took a job with this div back when I first got out of school with a degree in food sci. This seems silly but people are at risk of serious illness and death from improperly handled milk. More importantly I like having big brother watch my meat supply as to make sure my steak isn't full of BSE.

moothemagiccow: Fresh milk tards deserve to drink the crap. Just sign a contract that says the seller isn't liable for your dumb ass croaking.

It also ought to be illegal to use any public funds to treat pinheads who poisoned themselves with raw milk.