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2012-02-14 02:07:55 AM

skepticultist: Genevieve Marie: skepticultist: KiplingKat872: So? They still have a choice, and they bear the resposibility for that choice.

Unlike the shark, who is just eating.

I'm not convinced that sociopaths do have a choice. That is precisely what makes them so dangerous, I think. Without a typical human conscience, the ability to make meaningful choices may not exist.

You forgive the shark for acting on its instincts because you recognize that the shark has no conscience. If a sociopath has no conscience, then isn't the sociopath no different than the shark? A creature driven entirely by appetites, unable to control its own actions?

Sociopaths are a lot rarer than rapists are. Pretty much any reputable psychiatrist on earth can tell you that.

I actually think you're entirely wrong on that count. Some studies indicate that 1 in 25 people is a sociopath, which would make sociopaths far, far more common than rapists.


You do realize you are now in full blown rape-apologist territory, right? Claiming that they are not responsible because they feel no guilt...even though they intellectually know damn well what the law is.
 
2012-02-14 02:10:42 AM
Thank you for the critique of my analogy.

I believe the assaulter is 100% responsible for their actions, but I cant help but think in the situations where the female Soldier went binge drinking alone with 10 male Soldiers, with the amount of briefings female Soldiers receive and the statistics of sex assault in the Army, I really wish they wouldn't put themselves in those situations.

I think the shark/surfer analogy works in this situation, because not all sharks are man-eating beasts but they are opportunistic and when they see a seal-like silhouette, sometimes they will take advantage of that and sometimes they wont. And in instances where the surfer was new to the area and don't know any better, then perhaps there is no responsibility to shoulder, but in cases where the surfer knows the sharks are there, has friends who have been attacked, has been warned over and over again, and decides to surf anyway, he shoulders some responsibility, maybe a little. Maybe a lot. but it does not change the fact that they are a victim and should be cared for to the fullest extent possible. .

Fact is sex assault is an epidemic in the military, although I am only familiar with the Army's statistics. There are several problems within the problem. One is that the accused Soldier's Commander decides whether he will pursue a court martial or give him a slap on the wrist, This is something that needs to be changed. Another issue is that the punishment for a Soldier's who lies and claims they were raped in order to cover up an affair that was found out is a miniscule (loss of some pay and raking leaves for a couple weeks) compared to the punishment a raper faces (PMITA prison). Those are just two issues off the top of my head.
 
2012-02-14 02:13:18 AM

sgtbarthel: I think the shark/surfer analogy works


arguing by analogy is as much as admitting 'I don't wish to discuss the actual topic, so instead let's discuss this thing over here', and inevitably devolves into arguments based on the validity of the analogy rather than anything even remotely close to the actual subject.

as evidence, well.....scroll up.
 
2012-02-14 02:14:11 AM

lilplatinum: Genevieve Marie: The fact that you just used the phrase "being drunk and crying rape" should tell anyone with half a brain what they needed to know about you.

argumentum ad hominem, truly the cornerstone of any well built logical belief system.


You've lost. Leave.
 
2012-02-14 02:14:43 AM

Fart_Machine: skepticultist: Without a typical human conscience, the ability to make meaningful choices may not exist.

Which is basically bullshait. Just because you feel no moral compulsion doesn't mean you don't have a choice. It just means you thought you could get away with the crime without any punishment.


That gets into a whole argument over free will, which is not a given.

KiplingKat872: You may not be convinced, nut the law is. A rape victim is not to blame for his or her rape. Period.


Obviously.

And all sharks are predators. Not all men are rapists.

I'm tempted to bring up the existence of whale sharks, which are filter feeders and not predators, but that seems pedantic.

Again, it gets to a question of free will. You may be correct, it may be possible for sexual predators to choose to not predate. This is at odds with most of the literature I'm familiar with, as many sexual predators will acknowledge that if they are released from prison they will simply offend again, but it is

Nevertheless, some men are sexual predators and they will choose to rape and educating them will not modify their decision making process. If they have a choice, they will choose to rape. It strikes me as ludicrous to insist that women place their safety entirely in the hands of sociopaths to make the right choice. It makes far more sense to treat such predators as if they were sharks.
 
2012-02-14 02:16:13 AM

Leo Bloom's Freakout: Notabunny: Debeo Summa Credo: She's saying that the pentagon should have known this would happen.

The important thing, though, is that nobody should think of blaming the rapists. After all, they were expected to rape.

Ok, so here's what I wonder as the next practical point... I agree that the rapey soldiers are the problem, that's clear. But how do we train teenage boys who are often times experiencing their first time away from home being taught to embrace their most primal and testosterone-fueled instincts to turn that capacity on and off, and to recognize when they're in too deep?

I mean, for most guys this is not a problem, and rape would not cross their minds, but the army recruits a large quantity of people, and the front line grunts, by and large, are not the shining students of America. So how do you on one hand tell the guy who would stack prisoners in a naked pyramid and take pictures of it, who would beat the snot out of a fellow soldier for talking bad about his mama, or would do any other manner of behavior outside the conduct of our armed services.... how do you control him here when it seems we can't control in other outlets of similar behavior? What's the mechanism?

I am not saying that we give up because it's hard, I just don't know how it gets fixed realistically.


Between D-day and the end of the war in Europe, Eisenhower had over 200 American soldiers executed for war crimes (including rape). That practice pretty much ended with the Korean war. It also helps if you're not engaged in a war of aggression against a country that has never done anything to you; that tends to bring out the worst in people (when "proper" conduct is immoral, what's the big deal in adding a little rape to the mix?).
 
2012-02-14 02:16:26 AM

KiplingKat872: skepticultist: Genevieve Marie: skepticultist: KiplingKat872: So? They still have a choice, and they bear the resposibility for that choice.

Unlike the shark, who is just eating.

I'm not convinced that sociopaths do have a choice. That is precisely what makes them so dangerous, I think. Without a typical human conscience, the ability to make meaningful choices may not exist.

You forgive the shark for acting on its instincts because you recognize that the shark has no conscience. If a sociopath has no conscience, then isn't the sociopath no different than the shark? A creature driven entirely by appetites, unable to control its own actions?

Sociopaths are a lot rarer than rapists are. Pretty much any reputable psychiatrist on earth can tell you that.

I actually think you're entirely wrong on that count. Some studies indicate that 1 in 25 people is a sociopath, which would make sociopaths far, far more common than rapists.

Cite your source.


The Sociopath Next Door, Martha Stout (Broadway Books, 2005)
 
2012-02-14 02:18:38 AM

Diogenes: This woman is a witch. She also wished then-Senator Obama to be assassinated.

I don't want women to get back in the kitchen. Just her. With her head in the oven.


Ha, you know all the artsy folks back in the Victorian days who killed themselves by sticking their heads in the oven? For the longest time I didn't realize they were just gassing themselves - I thought they were actually bending over and baking their heads in the oven until their brain was cooked. I thought, Damn, these chicks are hardcore! If you did it that way on 400 degrees, it would take, what, 15 or 20 minutes?
 
2012-02-14 02:20:00 AM

KiplingKat872: You do realize you are now in full blown rape-apologist territory, right? Claiming that they are not responsible because they feel no guilt...even though they intellectually know damn well what the law is.


I'm not apologizing for them at all. I think sociopaths should be tagged, bagged and put in cages until they die. I don't think sharks have a choice in whether they attack people or not, which is why if I saw a shark in my swimming pool I would kill it.

I simply don't think "I hope sociopaths choose to do the right thing!" is a sound strategy for protecting oneself from victimization.
 
2012-02-14 02:21:24 AM

sgtbarthel: Thank you for the critique of my analogy.

I believe the assaulter is 100% responsible for their actions, but I cant help but think in the situations where the female Soldier went binge drinking alone with 10 male Soldiers, with the amount of briefings female Soldiers receive and the statistics of sex assault in the Army, I really wish they wouldn't put themselves in those situations.


[...]

As I said before, I think the "anti-rape" message needs to be drilled into the heads of recruits mercilessly. As it is (or at least when I went through boot), we got the standard "avoid MaryJane RottenCrotch so you don't get VD" speech from the drill, but that was about it. That education needs to go far beyond that, and punishment for rape should be immediate, extreme, public, humiliating and painful within military bounds to serve as a lesson to others.
 
2012-02-14 02:22:36 AM

skepticultist: Fart_Machine: skepticultist: Without a typical human conscience, the ability to make meaningful choices may not exist.

Which is basically bullshait. Just because you feel no moral compulsion doesn't mean you don't have a choice. It just means you thought you could get away with the crime without any punishment.

That gets into a whole argument over free will, which is not a given.

KiplingKat872: You may not be convinced, nut the law is. A rape victim is not to blame for his or her rape. Period.

Obviously.

And all sharks are predators. Not all men are rapists.

I'm tempted to bring up the existence of whale sharks, which are filter feeders and not predators, but that seems pedantic.

Again, it gets to a question of free will. You may be correct, it may be possible for sexual predators to choose to not predate. This is at odds with most of the literature I'm familiar with, as many sexual predators will acknowledge that if they are released from prison they will simply offend again, but it is

Nevertheless, some men are sexual predators and they will choose to rape and educating them will not modify their decision making process. If they have a choice, they will choose to rape. It strikes me as ludicrous to insist that women place their safety entirely in the hands of sociopaths to make the right choice. It makes far more sense to treat such predators as if they were sharks.


What literature?

And just because someone is a repeat offender, that does not mean that they do not have a choice.

And how is a woman to know she is in the prescence of a sociopath? Or is she to behave as if all men are potentially sociopathic rapist?
 
2012-02-14 02:28:06 AM
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2012-02-14 02:31:39 AM

skepticultist: KiplingKat872: You do realize you are now in full blown rape-apologist territory, right? Claiming that they are not responsible because they feel no guilt...even though they intellectually know damn well what the law is.

I'm not apologizing for them at all. I think sociopaths should be tagged, bagged and put in cages until they die. I don't think sharks have a choice in whether they attack people or not, which is why if I saw a shark in my swimming pool I would kill it.

I simply don't think "I hope sociopaths choose to do the right thing!" is a sound strategy for protecting oneself from victimization.


It's not. And we know that. We have that drilled into our heads from the time we are 10. Don't go anywhere with strangers, take a self defense course, scream at the top of your lungs, carry mace, slide your keys between your fingers and make a fist, have your keys out when walking to your car, etc., etc., etc. We hear it almost every damned day.

And that is still no garuntee that it won't happen.

So maybe it is time some men took more responsibility and instead of trying to shove responsibilty and blame onto women, they stopped raping and trying to make rape permissible.

Stop blaming women for being victimizd by rapists.

If you fark a someone against their will, you raped them and that is wrong, and it is your fault. Period.
 
2012-02-14 02:32:57 AM

KiplingKat872: What literature?


The literature on sexual predators, most of which I read over a decade ago when I was in college getting my degree in criminal justice.

And just because someone is a repeat offender, that does not mean that they do not have a choice.

Again, that is a debate on free will. Which will go exactly nowhere.

And how is a woman to know she is in the prescence of a sociopath? Or is she to behave as if all men are potentially sociopathic rapist?

Obviously not. But, for example, if a woman chose to wear a t-shirt that said "I want to be gang-banged by Hell's Angels," went to a biker bar full of hardened criminals, started drinking heavily and screamed "I'm not wearing panties!" before passing out on the pool table, I would find it very, very hard not to engage in some amount of victim blaming when she got raped. This would be the nearest equivalent to the surfer surfing in an area known to be a feeding ground for large numbers of sharks.
 
2012-02-14 02:35:58 AM
it is kinda interesting to see people repeatedly, forcibly, and relentlessly describe something never found in reality in an attempt to converse upon a subject grounded in actual reality.
 
2012-02-14 02:36:22 AM

skepticultist: I simply don't think "I hope sociopaths choose to do the right thing!" is a sound strategy for protecting oneself from victimization.


Sociopaths can still be provided rational reasons to behave morally. There are more than you think and many of them don't really do that much that impacts other people.

Just putting it out there for different mental modes.
 
2012-02-14 02:41:25 AM

sgtbarthel: Thank you for the critique of my analogy.

I believe the assaulter is 100% responsible for their actions, but I cant help but think in the situations where the female Soldier went binge drinking alone with 10 male Soldiers, with the amount of briefings female Soldiers receive and the statistics of sex assault in the Army, I really wish they wouldn't put themselves in those situations.

I think the shark/surfer analogy works in this situation, because not all sharks are man-eating beasts but they are opportunistic and when they see a seal-like silhouette, sometimes they will take advantage of that and sometimes they wont. And in instances where the surfer was new to the area and don't know any better, then perhaps there is no responsibility to shoulder, but in cases where the surfer knows the sharks are there, has friends who have been attacked, has been warned over and over again, and decides to surf anyway, he shoulders some responsibility, maybe a little. Maybe a lot. but it does not change the fact that they are a victim and should be cared for to the fullest extent possible. .

Fact is sex assault is an epidemic in the military, although I am only familiar with the Army's statistics. There are several problems within the problem. One is that the accused Soldier's Commander decides whether he will pursue a court martial or give him a slap on the wrist, This is something that needs to be changed. Another issue is that the punishment for a Soldier's who lies and claims they were raped in order to cover up an affair that was found out is a miniscule (loss of some pay and raking leaves for a couple weeks) compared to the punishment a raper faces (PMITA prison). Those are just two issues off the top of my head.


And yet, those are the minority of cases I have read about.

I don't know what the statistics are in the military, but according the the Bureau of Justice, the number of rape accusations without merit is around 3%. And while those false accusations are wrong, incredibly hurtful, and the accuser deserves to be punished, they should NOT distract us from the 97% if rape cases with merit.

The biggest problem is in an environment that is supposed to be more disciplined than civilian, based on camraderie, this stuff happens.
 
2012-02-14 02:42:26 AM
Threads like these are always great for reminding people why attending Fark parties might not be such a good idea.
 
2012-02-14 02:44:29 AM
I know this phrase is used so often on here it's become a meme, but seriously? How am I the first one to post this?

They rapin everybody up in here. (new window)
 
2012-02-14 02:46:15 AM
gadian 2012-02-13 06:10:28 PM


Raharu: I need an Adult.

Every adult you trust will just rape you.


It's what the "love of God" feels like.

/off to projectile vomit, brb
 
2012-02-14 02:47:01 AM

KiplingKat872: It's not. And we know that. We have that drilled into our heads from the time we are 10. Don't go anywhere with strangers, take a self defense course, scream at the top of your lungs, carry mace, slide your keys between your fingers and make a fist, have your keys out when walking to your car, etc., etc., etc. We hear it almost every damned day.

And that is still no garuntee that it won't happen.


It sure does minimize the chances though.

So maybe it is time some men took more responsibility and instead of trying to shove responsibilty and blame onto women, they stopped raping and trying to make rape permissible.

"Not all men are rapists." - KiplingKat872

If you understand that not all men are rapists, then why do you insist that all men take responsibility for for stopping rape?

I can't stop men from raping you. I can stop myself from raping you, but I strongly suspect that I am able to do that only because I have no desire to rape you to begin with. Having never experienced a desire to rape someone, I do not know if a man who desires to rape you can choose not to. I suspect that much like I -- a man who has no desire to rape - I could not choose to rape someone, a man who does desire to rape women cannot choose not to rape women.

I won't take responsibility for other men's actions because I can't control other men's actions. I'm not going to take any responsibility for things that are entirely outside my control. If you want me to act in such a way that rape is reduced, then all I can do is suggest to you ways you might minimize your own risk. If you can identify a man who is a rapists to me, I would be happy to talk with him and see if I can reason with him and cause him to see the error of his ways, but I don't think I would have much luck with that. Nor do I have any idea how you would identify such men unless you had evidence they committed a rape, in which case it would make far more sense to lead the police to them rather than me.

Stop blaming women for being victimizd by rapists.

No one is blaming women for being victimized. If that is what you're getting from this conversation then, frankly, you need to pull your head out of your ass.
 
2012-02-14 02:48:24 AM

skepticultist: KiplingKat872: What literature?

The literature on sexual predators, most of which I read over a decade ago when I was in college getting my degree in criminal justice.

And just because someone is a repeat offender, that does not mean that they do not have a choice.

Again, that is a debate on free will. Which will go exactly nowhere.

And how is a woman to know she is in the prescence of a sociopath? Or is she to behave as if all men are potentially sociopathic rapist?

Obviously not. But, for example, if a woman chose to wear a t-shirt that said "I want to be gang-banged by Hell's Angels," went to a biker bar full of hardened criminals, started drinking heavily and screamed "I'm not wearing panties!" before passing out on the pool table, I would find it very, very hard not to engage in some amount of victim blaming when she got raped. This would be the nearest equivalent to the surfer surfing in an area known to be a feeding ground for large numbers of sharks.


All the hypotheticals in the world are not going to get you out of jail for having sex with a woman who is so drunk she can't possibly know what she is doing or passed out.

Rape/non-consentual sex is never permissable. Period.

Get used to it.
 
2012-02-14 02:50:32 AM
lower-level deviants naturally seek employment in law enforcement, the military, or other positions which they believe will give them power.
 
2012-02-14 02:52:12 AM

culebra: Threads like these are always great for reminding people why attending Fark parties might not be such a good idea.


They don't have those in Boston, do they?
 
2012-02-14 02:52:37 AM

KiplingKat872: All the hypotheticals in the world are not going to get you out of jail for having sex with a woman who is so drunk she can't possibly know what she is doing or passed out.

Rape/non-consentual sex is never permissable. Period.

Get used to it.


None of which has anything at all to do with the point we are discussing.

If I leave a million dollars on my porch and go to work, and you steal it, you go to jail for stealing my million dollars. It is entirely your fault you stole my million dollars.

That doesn't mean that its not valid to question whether my actions were sensible or not.
 
2012-02-14 02:54:29 AM
yes. what we need is another analogy.
 
2012-02-14 02:55:33 AM

heap: yes. what we need is another analogy.


If a tree falls in the woods, rape.
 
2012-02-14 02:57:17 AM

heap: yes. what we need is another analogy.


Fine. If I find myself in prison and everyone warns me that Bubba Johnson likes to rape guys in the shower, and I go out of my way to make sure that I find myself alone in the shower with Bubba Johnson and then tell Bubba that nobody will catch him if he rapes me, and he rapes me, then its entirely Bubba's fault he raped me.

That doesn't mean that its not valid to question whether my actions were sensible or not.
 
2012-02-14 02:57:30 AM

heap: yes. what we need is another analogy.


He does, because he is desperate to make the rape the victim's fault.

But it id flattering to him saying a vajajay is worth a million dollars.

Though I hardly leave it sitting out on my porch.
 
2012-02-14 02:59:02 AM

skepticultist: Fine. If I find myself in prison and everyone warns me that Bubba Johnson likes to rape guys in the shower, and I go out of my way to make sure that I find myself alone in the shower with Bubba Johnson and then tell Bubba that nobody will catch him if he rapes me, and he rapes me, then its entirely Bubba's fault he raped me.


heap: interesting to see people repeatedly, forcibly, and relentlessly describe something never found in reality in an attempt to converse upon a subject grounded in actual reality.


why come up with new words, you're on repeat. i might as well be, too.
 
2012-02-14 02:59:51 AM

heap: yes. what we need is another analogy.


I think it's possible the people who constantly liken sexual assault to property crime have never actually had consensual sex and so are forced to objectify it.

Pretty pitiful, really.
 
2012-02-14 03:01:02 AM

skepticultist: heap: yes. what we need is another analogy.

Fine. If I find myself in prison and everyone warns me that Bubba Johnson likes to rape guys in the shower, and I go out of my way to make sure that I find myself alone in the shower with Bubba Johnson and then tell Bubba that nobody will catch him if he rapes me, and he rapes me, then its entirely Bubba's fault he raped me.

That doesn't mean that its not valid to question whether my actions were sensible or not.


That anology has zero ties to a woman out drinking in a bar.

Unless you see all women in public putting you in the position you put Bubba in. If so?

Seek professional help.
 
2012-02-14 03:02:15 AM

KiplingKat872: heap: yes. what we need is another analogy.

He does, because he is desperate to make the rape the victim's fault.


No, I'm not. You're just making vicious speculations about my motives in an effort to poison the well.

All I am doing is playing devil's advocate for the point that sgtbarthel raised. My motivations are fairly simple: I enjoy watching ideologues spin themselves in circles and retreat into the illogical and irrational in pathetic attempts to avoid acknowledging the plainly obvious.

Spin, spin, spin KiplingKat.
 
2012-02-14 03:02:51 AM

culebra: I think it's possible the people who constantly liken sexual assault to property crime have never actually had consensual sex and so are forced to objectify it.


and the people who liken it to large aquatic predators?

maybe professor Bad Touch was leading the field trips at Shedd that day...
 
2012-02-14 03:03:49 AM

culebra: heap: yes. what we need is another analogy.

I think it's possible the people who constantly liken sexual assault to property crime have never actually had consensual sex and so are forced to objectify it.

Pretty pitiful, really.


I'm beginning to suspect so. Never had consentual sex because he has never talked to a woman like a person.
 
2012-02-14 03:04:30 AM

skepticultist: All I am doing


you're arguing for the sake of arguing, and you're not doing yourself or the arguments any favors in doing so.
 
2012-02-14 03:05:31 AM

KiplingKat872: skepticultist: heap: yes. what we need is another analogy.

Fine. If I find myself in prison and everyone warns me that Bubba Johnson likes to rape guys in the shower, and I go out of my way to make sure that I find myself alone in the shower with Bubba Johnson and then tell Bubba that nobody will catch him if he rapes me, and he rapes me, then its entirely Bubba's fault he raped me.

That doesn't mean that its not valid to question whether my actions were sensible or not.

That anology has zero ties to a woman out drinking in a bar.


It's not an analogy, its a hypothetical. And I never said it did.

Unless you see all women in public putting you in the position you put Bubba in. If so?

Seek professional help.


Learn to follow a conversation, moron.
 
2012-02-14 03:06:28 AM

skepticultist: My motivations are fairly simple: I enjoy watching ideologues spin themselves in circles and retreat into the illogical and irrational in pathetic attempts to avoid acknowledging the plainly obvious.


lol.i.trollyou.com

You're no Socrates, that's for sure.
 
2012-02-14 03:06:40 AM

skepticultist: KiplingKat872: heap: yes. what we need is another analogy.

He does, because he is desperate to make the rape the victim's fault.

No, I'm not. You're just making vicious speculations about my motives in an effort to poison the well.

All I am doing is playing devil's advocate for the point that sgtbarthel raised. My motivations are fairly simple: I enjoy watching ideologues spin themselves in circles and retreat into the illogical and irrational in pathetic attempts to avoid acknowledging the plainly obvious.

Spin, spin, spin KiplingKat.


The only person doing mental gymnastics at the moment is you, as you have been this whole time to a single end:

"Why can't I fark chicks that are passed out drunk?!"
 
2012-02-14 03:09:20 AM

skepticultist: heap: yes. what we need is another analogy.

Fine. If I find myself in prison and everyone warns me that Bubba Johnson likes to rape guys in the shower, and I go out of my way to make sure that I find myself alone in the shower with Bubba Johnson and then tell Bubba that nobody will catch him if he rapes me, and he rapes me, then its entirely Bubba's fault he raped me.

That doesn't mean that its not valid to question whether my actions were sensible or not.


Why hasn't Bubba Johnson yet been beaten into a paste and had his cock torn off by the decent men of whatever fantasy place you've cooked up?
 
2012-02-14 03:10:45 AM

skepticultist: KiplingKat872: skepticultist: heap: yes. what we need is another analogy.

Fine. If I find myself in prison and everyone warns me that Bubba Johnson likes to rape guys in the shower, and I go out of my way to make sure that I find myself alone in the shower with Bubba Johnson and then tell Bubba that nobody will catch him if he rapes me, and he rapes me, then its entirely Bubba's fault he raped me.

That doesn't mean that its not valid to question whether my actions were sensible or not.

That anology has zero ties to a woman out drinking in a bar.

It's not an analogy, its a hypothetical. And I never said it did.

Unless you see all women in public putting you in the position you put Bubba in. If so?

Seek professional help.

Learn to follow a conversation, moron.


I follow just fine. You think the majority of women drink in order to "loosen their inhibitions for casual sex." As they are the supposed majority, you think men are entitled to make the assumption that all women drink to this purpose and therefore any sex act with a drunk woman should be considered consentual because, like you did with Bubba, they asked for it.
 
2012-02-14 03:11:00 AM

heap: skepticultist: All I am doing

you're arguing for the sake of arguing, and you're not doing yourself or the arguments any favors in doing so.


You and KiplingKat are revealing yourselves as a nasty, irrational and mean-spirited farktards who are incapable of making rational arguments in defense of your position.

Yet I'm the one who isn't doing himself any favors? Hah. Look, you can insult me all you like, but your insults do nothing to address the actual point under contention. Instead it reveals that your argument isn't rational, its a matter of ideological dogma. By arguing the point, I am forcing you to reveal this about yourself, thus furthering my general agenda of making it plainly obvious to others that feminist ideologues are shiatty people with crap reasoning skills.

Thanks to both of you for being such ridiculous Poe Feminists.
 
2012-02-14 03:14:39 AM

skepticultist: You and KiplingKat are revealing yourselves as a nasty, irrational and mean-spirited farktards who are incapable of making rational arguments in defense of your position.


i'll go along with the nasty mean spirited farktard part, but i really don't have a position - i'm bored and mocking you and your piss poor arguments...that really isn't a policy position.

skepticultist: you can insult me all you like


that sounds like nasty mean spirited farktardedness. why, i never.
 
2012-02-14 03:14:41 AM

KiplingKat872: The only person doing mental gymnastics at the moment is you, as you have been this whole time to a single end:

"Why can't I fark chicks that are passed out drunk?!"


Nope, that's just more of your bullshiat personal attacks. Vicious speculations about my motives, put forward in a pathetic attempt to hide the reality that you're position doesn't make any sense.

You don't need to speculate about my motives. My motives are clear: I want to make you look stupid, because you are an ideological feminist, and I hate ideological feminists because I think ideological feminism hurts women.
 
2012-02-14 03:19:27 AM

skepticultist: heap: skepticultist: All I am doing

you're arguing for the sake of arguing, and you're not doing yourself or the arguments any favors in doing so.

You and KiplingKat are revealing yourselves as a nasty, irrational and mean-spirited farktards who are incapable of making rational arguments in defense of your position.

Yet I'm the one who isn't doing himself any favors? Hah. Look, you can insult me all you like, but your insults do nothing to address the actual point under contention. Instead it reveals that your argument isn't rational, its a matter of ideological dogma. By arguing the point, I am forcing you to reveal this about yourself, thus furthering my general agenda of making it plainly obvious to others that feminist ideologues are shiatty people with crap reasoning skills.

Thanks to both of you for being such ridiculous Poe Feminists.


...and there it is! The defense of rape victims seen as feminism rather than common human decency.

This isn't about idealogical dogma. Its about a crime, a horrific trauma inflicted on people, men and women, everyday by farkwitz who have talked themselves into it, I would imagine starting with rationale like yours, and thinking they are beyond punishment.

And not thinking of the emotional damage their victim will live with for years, maybe the rest of their lives, because they don't think of their victim as a person at all.
 
2012-02-14 03:19:50 AM

Dan the Schman: sgtbarthel: If a surfer finds a spot with awesome waves but is a 100% confirmed haven for great white sharks, is told every Friday during a safety brief not to swim in or try to surf in those waters, yet, that surfer ignored the warnings and the fact that shark attacks are an epidemic in those waters and goes surfing where he was told not to, at what point does that surfer shoulder some responsibility for being attack and what is the percentage of responsibility? The shark is 100% responsible for its actions. I get that. But, my question is, how responsible is the surfer for his actions of going into waters in which he knows he may or may not be attacked?

You obviously know nothing about rape, and you should feel ashamed for exposing your ignorance so proudly.

Rather than continue to rant, I'm just going to post a picture.

25.media.tumblr.com

If more people pictured this when they thought of a "rape victim", there'd be a lot fewer assholes making "helpful suggestions" about how women could avoid getting raped.


That girl even admits she was only wearing a sign. I mean, you can't get much skimpier than that. Sheesh!
 
2012-02-14 03:20:59 AM

vrax: Dan the Schman: sgtbarthel: If a surfer finds a spot with awesome waves but is a 100% confirmed haven for great white sharks, is told every Friday during a safety brief not to swim in or try to surf in those waters, yet, that surfer ignored the warnings and the fact that shark attacks are an epidemic in those waters and goes surfing where he was told not to, at what point does that surfer shoulder some responsibility for being attack and what is the percentage of responsibility? The shark is 100% responsible for its actions. I get that. But, my question is, how responsible is the surfer for his actions of going into waters in which he knows he may or may not be attacked?

You obviously know nothing about rape, and you should feel ashamed for exposing your ignorance so proudly.

Rather than continue to rant, I'm just going to post a picture.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 465x700]

If more people pictured this when they thought of a "rape victim", there'd be a lot fewer assholes making "helpful suggestions" about how women could avoid getting raped.

That girl even admits she was only wearing a sign. I mean, you can't get much skimpier than that. Sheesh!


maybe if she turned it the other way it would cover more...
 
2012-02-14 03:23:06 AM

skepticultist: KiplingKat872: The only person doing mental gymnastics at the moment is you, as you have been this whole time to a single end:

"Why can't I fark chicks that are passed out drunk?!"

Nope, that's just more of your bullshiat personal attacks. Vicious speculations about my motives, put forward in a pathetic attempt to hide the reality that you're position doesn't make any sense.

You don't need to speculate about my motives. My motives are clear: I want to make you look stupid, because you are an ideological feminist, and I hate ideological feminists because I think ideological feminism hurts women.


And spending hours arguing in favor of taking advantage of heavily inebriated women, making repeated comparisons of rape to property theft, does us such a favor.

Yeah, I think everyone here is pretty clear who the idiot is.
 
2012-02-14 03:23:48 AM
wow thanks for j@cking off the thread, y'all

SPOOGE

i.imgur.com

SPOOGE EVERYWHERE
 
2012-02-14 03:24:37 AM

Kittypie070: wow thanks for j@cking off the thread, y'all

SPOOGE

[i.imgur.com image 600x450]

SPOOGE EVERYWHERE


did the kitten consent to that?
 
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