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(Think Progress)   In keeping with the Right's War on Women, FoxNews pundit advocates the raping of female members of the military, saying "What did they expect?"   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 1120
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2012-02-13 08:19:34 PM  

Biological Ali: watson.t.hamster: I said that? Could you quote it? I recall saying that getting hammered and accepting a ride home from a male "acquaintance" wasn't all that wise.

On the off chance that you're actually serious (something that I'm growing increasingly skeptical about with each post you make), here's what you said, along with what you responded to:

watson.t.hamster: Genevieve Marie: No, I'm asking you what specifically she did that was dumb in that scenario. She went out with friends. She had drinks. She had a guy she'd met before and knew drive her home. She still got raped.

What exactly should the woman in that scenario done? Not met friends? Not had drinks? Not been alone with a guy?

Not gotten drunk and driven home with a male "acquaintance". Had a female friend drive her home. Call a cab. Wait until she could get home on her own. Carry mace.

Now, if your problem is that you don't read posts before responding to them, or that you rapidly forget the things you actually say in your posts, that's not something that the rest of us can help.


Yes, I offered a number of alternatives of genes request.

Of course not. Permanent paranoia would be resolving that you would never under any circumstances be driven home by a male, even if it's somebody you know.


You are a serially dishonest person if you take "maybe not so wise to get hammered and take a ride with a guy you don't know that well" to mean "never ride with any male"

You lied, and I want you to see how you lied because it's indicative of how you have been responding to me all along.

Do you understand?
 
2012-02-13 08:20:31 PM  

Mrtraveler01: nigeman: whatakunt

Sounds like a strip club in Texas.


Aww man. Now you got me thinking about Whataburger. You all must share my misery!

www.dineoutcheap.com
 
2012-02-13 08:20:43 PM  

watson.t.hamster: TROTTA: But while all of this is going on, just a few weeks ago, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta commented on a new Pentagon report on sexual abuse in the military. I think they have actually discovered there is a difference between men and women. And the sexual abuse report says that there has been, since 2006, a 64% increase in violent sexual assaults. Now, what did they expect? These people are in close contact, the whole airing of this issue has never been done by Congress, it's strictly been a question of pressure from the feminist.



Seems like it all depends on who she is referencing with "they". The pentagon or the victims.


It seems like she's referring to the pentagon (the source of the study she was talking about). If so she's right, put hundreds of thousands of 20ish men with 20ish women and you really should expect some rapes. It's horrible obviously, and we should definitely combat it but you can't be surprised when it happens.


Bullshiat. She says that and rails against the "layers of bureaucracy to support women who are being raped to much". Which is it? Should they have known? Apparently they did considering all those damned layers they added.
 
2012-02-13 08:21:51 PM  

thamike: Mrtraveler01: nigeman: whatakunt

Sounds like a strip club in Texas.

Aww man. Now you got me thinking about Whataburger. You all must share my misery!

[www.dineoutcheap.com image 372x263]


I would kill someone in front of their own momma for a double meat double cheese bacon jalapeno whataburger right now.
 
2012-02-13 08:22:36 PM  

jvl: It's nice to know that the Right also has a war on women. I'd hate to think that only Democrats did stuff like question the sexuality of a the husband of woman running for President, create bikini pictures of women who are nominated for vice-president, and openly make jokes about ping-pong ball whores if a woman of Asian decent dares to espouse nutty Conservative beliefs.


Is this the "see-you're just as much of a vile sick f*ck as I am" defense?
 
2012-02-13 08:22:43 PM  

lilplatinum: My entire commentary on the matter (and the outrage misinterpreting posts that followed which kind of proved my point) is that you can't even discuss the concept of underlying causes of rape without being portrayed as a rape sympathizer.


Well, to be fair, a lot of proposed causes of rape have ended up not being actual causes of rape. Most of them are proposed and espouse the woman changing her behavior. In point of fact, since most rapists are men, most of the causes would logically lie with male psychology/sociology and we should channel our resources in that direction. If for no other reason than it is more logical to examine the criminal than the victim when it comes to trying to prevent crime.
 
2012-02-13 08:22:57 PM  

Genevieve Marie: watson.t.hamster: Genevieve Marie: watson.t.hamster: This was in fact not said by me.

Yes it was. I asked you what the woman in question had done that was stupid when she went out with friends, had drinks, and had a male acquaintance drive her home. You said she was stupid for having drinks at all

In fact I did not.

, and for not having a woman drive her home.

In fact I did not.

"Genevieve Marie: No, I'm asking you what specifically she did that was dumb in that scenario. She went out with friends. She had drinks. She had a guy she'd met before and knew drive her home. She still got raped.

What exactly should the woman in that scenario done? Not met friends? Not had drinks? Not been alone with a guy?

Not gotten drunk and driven home with a male "acquaintance". Had a female friend drive her home. Call a cab. Wait until she could get home on her own. Carry mace."

Dude, I feel like I'm in the twilight zone here. You most certainly said that a woman should not have had drinks or ridden home with a guy if she didn't want to be raped.


No, again you are lying. You stated that it was wrong for her to have any drinks, I never said this. I said get drunk AND DRIVE HOME WITH MALE ACQUAINTANCE. Notice how she could have called a cab and still had drinks. Or gotten a friend to do it. I listed several different options because you made it appear that the only option is getting hammered and getting someone you don't know very well to drive you home. Idiotic of course.

So no I never said she was stupid for having drinks at all. This is a lie. A completely idiotic one in light of the quotes actually.
 
2012-02-13 08:23:09 PM  

thamike: jvl: It's nice to know that the Right also has a war on women. I'd hate to think that only Democrats did stuff like question the sexuality of a the husband of woman running for President, create bikini pictures of women who are nominated for vice-president, and openly make jokes about ping-pong ball whores if a woman of Asian decent dares to espouse nutty Conservative beliefs.

Is this the "see-you're just as much of a vile sick f*ck as I am" defense?


So vote Republican, yes.
 
2012-02-13 08:23:10 PM  

Sabyen91: "layers of bureaucracy to support women who are being raped to much"


Hehe, yeah that gem sure didn't do her any favors.
 
2012-02-13 08:23:34 PM  

thamike: jvl: It's nice to know that the Right also has a war on women. I'd hate to think that only Democrats did stuff like question the sexuality of a the husband of woman running for President, create bikini pictures of women who are nominated for vice-president, and openly make jokes about ping-pong ball whores if a woman of Asian decent dares to espouse nutty Conservative beliefs.

Is this the "see-you're just as much of a vile sick f*ck as I am" defense?


No, this is the "posting bikini pictures of women is just like rape!"
 
2012-02-13 08:23:46 PM  

lilplatinum: I would kill someone in front of their own momma for a double meat double cheese bacon jalapeno whataburger right now.


Oh, f*ck. I brought this on myself. Why doesn't Whataburger do some eastward expansion, dammit?
 
2012-02-13 08:24:22 PM  

GoldSpider: Sabyen91: "layers of bureaucracy to support women who are being raped to much"

Hehe, yeah that gem sure didn't do her any favors.


She is a pretty vile woman.
 
2012-02-13 08:24:38 PM  

watson.t.hamster: Clearly focusing on just one side of the equation is the best solution.


When one side of the equation is the criminal and the other is the victim, yes, I think it makes perfect sense to focus on just the criminal side of the equation rather than the victim side.

How much do you think we should put into efforts to convince people not to be rich around people who are typically in gangs versus how much we should put into trying to prevent gangs from robbing people?
 
2012-02-13 08:24:38 PM  
I've seen what goes on in the barracks first hand. I actually lived there. Yes, there is a lot of alcohol and testosterone/estrogen. During my time at Fort Hood, women did share barracks with male soldiers. They did not have adjoining rooms (shared bathroom) but there was alcohol and sex in abundance. There were sexual assaults as well. There were drugs and copious amounts of violence to add.

There are some girls who want the EIB (everyone in barracks) badge where they sleep with everyone in the barracks, obviously. Women and men float from room to room. Not all of them, it's a percentage, as with all things. Most soldiers go out to the bar, titty clubs, gun store, mall, tattoo parlors... sometimes all in the same day.

For this nasty c*nt to open her suck like that, to say it how she did it... She's a piece of garbage. No woman asks to be raped. Women, young women, and young men get farked up, act stupid and stupid sh*t happens. It's no excuse, it's a crime. No one ever came to me about it, but I would report it if they told me of it. I know it happened and I've seen the people arrested and the women who were once open and down to party and go wild... they were quiet and you never saw them out again.

There is a lot of violence, drugs, and alcohol associated with U.S. Army enlisted soldiers. It has always been so. It is not representative of the entire force, and I can tell you about the dozens of times NCOs would crack skulls trying to teach these kids a lesson on how to behave. They are not there 24/7... People will make the mistake of getting drunk with the wrong people. Going with a guy or group of guys. The onus is on THEM to behave like proper soldiers and not take advantage of the drunk or weaker party.

Some people are true pieces of sh*t... Like soldiers who rape a fellow soldier, or this disgusting piece of trash "woman" who seems to glow in the knowledge that young people make stupid f*cking decisions and that it would be OK if it was just among the boys. I hope she dies in a f*cking fire of AIDs and cancer.
 
2012-02-13 08:25:01 PM  

Sabyen91: thamike: jvl: It's nice to know that the Right also has a war on women. I'd hate to think that only Democrats did stuff like question the sexuality of a the husband of woman running for President, create bikini pictures of women who are nominated for vice-president, and openly make jokes about ping-pong ball whores if a woman of Asian decent dares to espouse nutty Conservative beliefs.

Is this the "see-you're just as much of a vile sick f*ck as I am" defense?

No, this is the "posting bikini pictures of women is just like rape!"


Bikini pictures, I might add, that were created by right-wing Palin-tards...

(Oh, and Marcus Bachmann is, in fact, gay. It's not questioning anything. He admits it, and it is well-known that "reparative therapy" does not farking work. He's gay.)
 
2012-02-13 08:25:16 PM  

Sabyen91: No, this is the "posting bikini pictures of women is just like rape!"


"So that makes rape a societal grey area!"
 
2012-02-13 08:25:38 PM  

thamike: lilplatinum: I would kill someone in front of their own momma for a double meat double cheese bacon jalapeno whataburger right now.

Oh, f*ck. I brought this on myself. Why doesn't Whataburger do some eastward expansion, dammit?


They used to have locations in Florida but they shut them all down (maybe a few on the Panhandle are still open?) a while back when the economy tanked there.
 
2012-02-13 08:26:54 PM  

Mrtraveler01: thamike: lilplatinum: I would kill someone in front of their own momma for a double meat double cheese bacon jalapeno whataburger right now.

Oh, f*ck. I brought this on myself. Why doesn't Whataburger do some eastward expansion, dammit?

They used to have locations in Florida but they shut them all down (maybe a few on the Panhandle are still open?) a while back when the economy tanked there.


Somebody needs to tell them to take on the Five Guys-ocracy that is Northern Virginia. Or, hell, all of Virginia.
 
2012-02-13 08:27:13 PM  

colon_pow: if they ever get captured by the enemy, they would be rape raped.

if you know what i mean....


I do.

www.cartoonscrapbook.com

/Try not to clench.
 
2012-02-13 08:27:20 PM  
watson.t.hamster

Okay, with those last couple posts I think we've now moved well beyond the point where I find it plausible that you're actually saying these things in earnest.

I'll admit it, you got me - though in fairness, that was because it took me a while to figure out your shtick. You might as well fess up now, since it looks like others are starting to get wise to it too.
 
2012-02-13 08:27:57 PM  

Kome: Well, to be fair, a lot of proposed causes of rape have ended up not being actual causes of rape. Most of them are proposed and espouse the woman changing her behavior. In point of fact, since most rapists are men, most of the causes would logically lie with male psychology/sociology and we should channel our resources in that direction. If for no other reason than it is more logical to examine the criminal than the victim when it comes to trying to prevent crime.


I don't disagree that the most prevalent root cause has to lie with male psychology/sociology and generally speaking in most crimes it is logical to focus resources on understanding why the criminal did it and how we can prevent it.

However logically both issues should be analyzed as well, to ignore what preventative measures can be taken to avoid crimes in higher risk areas is not logical either. In most crimes we accept this, and in many ways with self defense we tacitly accept it in rape cases too - but if you ever mention it in any case you are all of a sudden painted as having an extreme strawman position.
 
2012-02-13 08:28:05 PM  

Sabyen91: watson.t.hamster: TROTTA: But while all of this is going on, just a few weeks ago, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta commented on a new Pentagon report on sexual abuse in the military. I think they have actually discovered there is a difference between men and women. And the sexual abuse report says that there has been, since 2006, a 64% increase in violent sexual assaults. Now, what did they expect? These people are in close contact, the whole airing of this issue has never been done by Congress, it's strictly been a question of pressure from the feminist.



Seems like it all depends on who she is referencing with "they". The pentagon or the victims.


It seems like she's referring to the pentagon (the source of the study she was talking about). If so she's right, put hundreds of thousands of 20ish men with 20ish women and you really should expect some rapes. It's horrible obviously, and we should definitely combat it but you can't be surprised when it happens.

Bullshiat. She says that and rails against the "layers of bureaucracy to support women who are being raped to much". Which is it? Should they have known? Apparently they did considering all those damned layers they added.


I get the feeling it's the "layers of bureaucracy' that she's equally upset about; that and this idea women are being "raped too much." Put those together, and her inference is that a lot of these complaints are bogus, she just didn't want to come out and say it in so many words. The attitude is that all these extra women are complaining about something that probably didn't happen, so we had to add all these extra people to investigate their silly claims.

It's more in line with the type of thinking I'd expect from a woman in her position "These girls, they have a night of bad sex and then the feminists want to call it rape."
 
2012-02-13 08:28:40 PM  

Mrtraveler01: thamike: lilplatinum: I would kill someone in front of their own momma for a double meat double cheese bacon jalapeno whataburger right now.

Oh, f*ck. I brought this on myself. Why doesn't Whataburger do some eastward expansion, dammit?

They used to have locations in Florida but they shut them all down (maybe a few on the Panhandle are still open?) a while back when the economy tanked there.


There's a few in Orlando that are still open that I know of. Hideous looking places, but the lemonade isn't half bad.
 
2012-02-13 08:29:03 PM  

Genevieve Marie: And you're going to go ahead and justify this with something that amounts to "Well yes, women TOTALLY are asking for it if they dare to go about their life and not be on high alert for potential rapists at every second."


Women have vaginas. Therein, lies the difficulty.

I'd like to live in a world where women's heels don't matter. You know them. They are everywhere, Click. Clack. Click. Clack.
 
2012-02-13 08:29:22 PM  

thamike: Somebody needs to tell them to take on the Five Guys-ocracy that is Northern Virginia. Or, hell, all of Virginia.


When I get loaded I am building one here in Germany, I don't care how it does I just want it for my personal usage...
 
2012-02-13 08:30:03 PM  
As politically incorrect as it may be, I think that is spot on. Sad, but spot on. I don't know how sex crimes compare / contrast in the military to the private sector, but I've heard many horror stories from both sides. Of course, "expecting it" doesn't make it right in any way, shape or form.
 
2012-02-13 08:30:20 PM  
I'm really impressed by the people comparing property crime to rape. That's really something. Because, you know, the one involves removing objects from your life. The other involves a physical assault, diminishment of your rights as a human being, and a lot of social baggage. Rape involves, very particularly, a fundamental lack of respect for the victim. It says, as clearly as possible, "you are less than me. Your rights are less important than mine. Your needs are not important at all. Your desires for yourself and your safety are inconsequential."
See, if you're a real human being, someone with respect for their other human beings and a desire to treat others well (perhaps because you would also like to be treated well), you don't commit crimes of any kind. You don't rob, you don't cheat, and you don't rape. Whether or not someone leaves open the opportunity for crime--unlocked door, drunk, otherwise vulnerable--it is up to you, as a human, to not take advantage. I don't go around check my neighbor's doors to see if they're unlocked--I'm not interested in going into their houses and messing with their stuff, much like I'm not interested in people coming into my house and messing with my stuff. Likewise, when I see someone who is drunk, I might offer them assistance instead of assaulting them, because I have the power to make positive or negative decisions, and I choose the positive. So crime is really all about the committer--just because it's easy doesn't mean it's something you should do. You should, as a thinking and feeling animal, be much better than that.

/tl;dr: The ease of committing the crime does not excuse it.
 
2012-02-13 08:30:35 PM  

thamike: Sabyen91: No, this is the "posting bikini pictures of women is just like rape!"

"So that makes rape a societal grey area!"


What do they expect, being women and all? Shoulda been born male.

Really, what this woman says is despicably misogynistic and misandric. She should join a convent and take a vow of shutting the fark up.
 
2012-02-13 08:31:20 PM  

Kome: Mrtraveler01: thamike: lilplatinum: I would kill someone in front of their own momma for a double meat double cheese bacon jalapeno whataburger right now.

Oh, f*ck. I brought this on myself. Why doesn't Whataburger do some eastward expansion, dammit?

They used to have locations in Florida but they shut them all down (maybe a few on the Panhandle are still open?) a while back when the economy tanked there.

There's a few in Orlando that are still open that I know of. Hideous looking places, but the lemonade isn't half bad.


You have no taste in architecture my friend:

www.gormangrp.com
 
2012-02-13 08:31:26 PM  
I think they are going to have to execute or imprison for life some of the repeat offenders so the newbs understand comrades are made for defending not raping.
 
2012-02-13 08:32:08 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: watson.t.hamster: TROTTA: But while all of this is going on, just a few weeks ago, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta commented on a new Pentagon report on sexual abuse in the military. I think they have actually discovered there is a difference between men and women. And the sexual abuse report says that there has been, since 2006, a 64% increase in violent sexual assaults. Now, what did they expect? These people are in close contact, the whole airing of this issue has never been done by Congress, it's strictly been a question of pressure from the feminist.



Seems like it all depends on who she is referencing with "they". The pentagon or the victims.


It seems like she's referring to the pentagon (the source of the study she was talking about). If so she's right, put hundreds of thousands of 20ish men with 20ish women and you really should expect some rapes. It's horrible obviously, and we should definitely combat it but you can't be surprised when it happens.

Bullshiat. She says that and rails against the "layers of bureaucracy to support women who are being raped to much". Which is it? Should they have known? Apparently they did considering all those damned layers they added.

I get the feeling it's the "layers of bureaucracy' that she's equally upset about; that and this idea women are being "raped too much." Put those together, and her inference is that a lot of these complaints are bogus, she just didn't want to come out and say it in so many words. The attitude is that all these extra women are complaining about something that probably didn't happen, so we had to add all these extra people to investigate their silly claims.

It's more in line with the type of thinking I'd expect from a woman in her position "These girls, they have a night of bad sex and then the feminists want to call it rape."


It is like she has that going on in her head entwined with "boys will be boys".
 
2012-02-13 08:32:49 PM  
Shoot, I can't believe this gem slipped past me in all that brouhaha:

watson.t.hamster: Notice how she could have called a cab and still had drinks


So instead of being driven home by a guy she does know, a "wiser" option would be to pay for the privilege of being driven home by a guy she doesn't know at all. Comedy gold!
 
2012-02-13 08:33:07 PM  

MBA Whore: As politically incorrect as it may be, I think that is spot on. Sad, but spot on. I don't know how sex crimes compare / contrast in the military to the private sector, but I've heard many horror stories from both sides. Of course, "expecting it" doesn't make it right in any way, shape or form.


Which part is right? Guys can't help it or gals should expect it?
 
2012-02-13 08:33:30 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I get the feeling it's the "layers of bureaucracy' that she's equally upset about; that and this idea women are being "raped too much." Put those together, and her inference is that a lot of these complaints are bogus, she just didn't want to come out and say it in so many words. The attitude is that all these extra women are complaining about something that probably didn't happen, so we had to add all these extra people to investigate their silly claims.


Problem is, the "spike in rape cases" in 2006 was most likely the exposing of the massive cover up of widespread sexual abuse by the armed forces brass. I think she lumped every sexual assault, harassment, and hazing case into "rape" for her own purposes. And that doesn't speak well to whatever the f*ck her purposes are.
 
2012-02-13 08:33:51 PM  

lilplatinum: Kome: Well, to be fair, a lot of proposed causes of rape have ended up not being actual causes of rape. Most of them are proposed and espouse the woman changing her behavior. In point of fact, since most rapists are men, most of the causes would logically lie with male psychology/sociology and we should channel our resources in that direction. If for no other reason than it is more logical to examine the criminal than the victim when it comes to trying to prevent crime.

I don't disagree that the most prevalent root cause has to lie with male psychology/sociology and generally speaking in most crimes it is logical to focus resources on understanding why the criminal did it and how we can prevent it.

However logically both issues should be analyzed as well, to ignore what preventative measures can be taken to avoid crimes in higher risk areas is not logical either. In most crimes we accept this, and in many ways with self defense we tacitly accept it in rape cases too - but if you ever mention it in any case you are all of a sudden painted as having an extreme strawman position.


I think that happens a lot because most of the time, the person putting forward those arguments aren't actually advocating a serious genuine examination into the causes of rape from the victim perspective, especially in light of a more comprehensive overview of all causes of rape or sexual assault. Just a casual glance at this thread shows that statistically that's not the case. Most people who put forward those kinds of arguments are just being rape apologists who have a massive entitlement to sex complex. And this seems to be true in any, especially online, discussion of rape.

Even if you are not one of those, you got caught in a crossfire by appearing to be supporting those guys. My recommendation, and this is really just good advice in general in any discussion, be precise with your word choice and clear with your wording, and maybe even say the same thing in a few different ways while at the same time typing out some firm stance of where you are on the issue. It's a little extra work, but when I do it (which isn't nearly as often as I should, I admit) I get a lot better feedback and more constructive discussions going.
 
2012-02-13 08:36:50 PM  

GoldSpider: Fart_Machine: It still means that we should expect our male soldiers to act like sexual predators.

If you prefer to believe that some of them aren't, you go right ahead.


No, I'm sure some of them are. However that's far different than to expect them to be rapists.
 
2012-02-13 08:37:28 PM  
As for rape in the military--I think it should be a pretty simple issue. You're attacking a fellow soldier, you're impacting the readiness and mission of the force, and you're aiding the enemy in doing so. It is both an act of assault and an act of treason, pure and simple--you should be charged with both.
 
2012-02-13 08:37:31 PM  
i13.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-13 08:37:31 PM  

TV's Vinnie: colon_pow: if they ever get captured by the enemy, they would be rape raped.

if you know what i mean....

I do.

[www.cartoonscrapbook.com image 640x480]

/Try not to clench.


The rape ape?
 
2012-02-13 08:38:36 PM  

Biological Ali: Shoot, I can't believe this gem slipped past me in all that brouhaha:

watson.t.hamster: Notice how she could have called a cab and still had drinks

So instead of being driven home by a guy she does know, a "wiser" option would be to pay for the privilege of being driven home by a guy she doesn't know at all. Comedy gold!


The dilemma is--would she have the would-be rapist acquaintance wait for the cab with her? Would he just leave her to wait alone, at risk to the other rapists? The you have the cab driver. But we know all those guys are eunuchs and saints.
 
2012-02-13 08:38:42 PM  

God's Hubris: [i13.photobucket.com image 640x536]


I don't often say a woman's face is punchable, but damn, my gentlemanly ways fail me on this one.
 
2012-02-13 08:39:21 PM  

Biological Ali: Shoot, I can't believe this gem slipped past me in all that brouhaha:

watson.t.hamster: Notice how she could have called a cab and still had drinks

So instead of being driven home by a guy she does know, a "wiser" option would be to pay for the privilege of being driven home by a guy she doesn't know at all. Comedy gold!


Statistically speaking, it probably would be better, since in the majority of cases the rapist is known by the victim.
 
2012-02-13 08:39:30 PM  
the more they pursue these culture war issues, the more votes they'll lose. i encourage the GOP to continue with these culture war issues at all levels of elections.
 
2012-02-13 08:40:32 PM  

The Numbers: Biological Ali: Shoot, I can't believe this gem slipped past me in all that brouhaha:

watson.t.hamster: Notice how she could have called a cab and still had drinks

So instead of being driven home by a guy she does know, a "wiser" option would be to pay for the privilege of being driven home by a guy she doesn't know at all. Comedy gold!

Statistically speaking, it probably would be better, since in the majority of cases the rapist is known by the victim.


But what about rape+murder?

/Really, I don't know the answer.
 
2012-02-13 08:40:35 PM  
The most charitable version of the woman's argument:

- The Pentagon allows women to serve in war zones. They spend lots of money and effort to try to prevent these women from getting raped, and still aren't 100% successful. (It's not possible to prevent all rapes, in any environment).

- The Pentagon could trivially reduce the rate of women soldiers being raped in war zones to 0, by not putting them there.

She does seem to be arguing that would be zero-cost, but she's leaving out the opportunity cost of "now you have this big class of soldiers who can't serve in the war zone".
 
2012-02-13 08:40:35 PM  

Sabyen91: Which part is right? Guys can't help it or gals should expect it?


Almost sounds like a fundamental principle of Wahabbism.
 
2012-02-13 08:41:47 PM  

Fart_Machine: No, I'm sure some of them are. However that's far different than to expect them to be rapists.


Which is also different from anticipating some problems.
 
2012-02-13 08:41:54 PM  

Sabyen91: God's Hubris: [i13.photobucket.com image 640x536]

I don't often say a woman's face is punchable, but damn, my gentlemanly ways fail me on this one.


Over-cooked muppet doesn't count as woman.
 
2012-02-13 08:42:07 PM  

thamike: Sabyen91: Which part is right? Guys can't help it or gals should expect it?

Almost sounds like a fundamental principle of Wahabbism.


I am thinking we need some good old sewing up of vaginas. Too much temptation by the dirty whores.
 
2012-02-13 08:42:13 PM  

thamike: Biological Ali: Shoot, I can't believe this gem slipped past me in all that brouhaha:

watson.t.hamster: Notice how she could have called a cab and still had drinks

So instead of being driven home by a guy she does know, a "wiser" option would be to pay for the privilege of being driven home by a guy she doesn't know at all. Comedy gold!

The dilemma is--would she have the would-be rapist acquaintance wait for the cab with her? Would he just leave her to wait alone, at risk to the other rapists? The you have the cab driver. But we know all those guys are eunuchs and saints.


What if the would-be rapist acquaintance is the cab driver who takes her home? Would that make her actions wise, or twice as foolish?
 
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