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(Think Progress)   In keeping with the Right's War on Women, FoxNews pundit advocates the raping of female members of the military, saying "What did they expect?"   (thinkprogress.org ) divider line
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2012-02-13 07:54:00 PM  

watson.t.hamster: No, you're thinking of straw.t.hamster. I argued for sensible precautions that will prevent some rapes rather than extreme paranoia to avoid every possible instance of rape. Stop responding to the strawman but addressing it to me.


Sensible precautions like not thinking the male soldier she serves with won't rape her if she has to use the latrine at night? Sensible precautions like not drinking any water after 4pm in 120 degree weather so you don't HAVE to use the latrine at night? (new window)

Also, I find it hilarious that you think most women don't take sensible precautions. You're clearly a man who's never discussed the issue of rape with a woman.
 
2012-02-13 07:55:04 PM  

The Numbers: Funny. I'm sure in the past I've seen you try to argue that the outdated business models used by studios were to blame for illegal downloading. I must remember this thread for the next time that topic comes up.


no, the outmoded business model isn't the CAUSE of the rise of file trading, its merely a consequence.

But in the context of this thread, RIAA is totally to blame for being slutty. they obviously deserved to get raped...er...hacked.
 
2012-02-13 07:55:26 PM  

GhostFish: And don't get her started about all the bureaucratic overhead of dealing with terrorism. Of course they're going to target population centers, what do the urbanites expect?

If only people would take the cue and move out of the cities we could get rid of all this bureaucratic nonsense.


She's a far-right extremist. She probably does believe that.
 
2012-02-13 07:56:03 PM  

LasersHurt: I use ignore for trolls, because they have no interest in discussing things rationally, just stirring shiat. What do you use for someone who legitimately think's it's the victim's fault they were raped? There isn't a "reprehensible human being" button.


soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
favorite them
use the darkest grey
make the note - "reprehensible human being"
and anytime you see a post by them, "quote" them and say "reprehensible human being - STFU" as your comment to no matter what they say.

think of it as active shunning
 
2012-02-13 07:56:17 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: So I assume that male soldiers are also at equal risk for sexual predation.


That would require me to believe that half of male soldiers are inclined towards having sex with other men. And I think we both know that's preposterous.
 
2012-02-13 07:56:22 PM  

Weaver95:
ya know, if someone 'deserved to be raped in prison' then you should make that part of the punishment. man up and make it a law. oh...wait. you can't can you! its considered 'cruel and unusual punishment'.


Well it is pretty much part of the punishment unless more is done to reduce sexual assaults in prison, just not officially.

it certainly removes liability from anyone else. it's that 'actions of someone else' thing that's going to trip you up you know.

Liability is a civil matter. In a criminal matter failure to protect yourself doesn't reduce culpability at all, nor do I ever suggest it should. "Deserve" is a completely nebulous concept and one which I never even brought up but was actually put in my mouth.


i'm begining to see why you are no longer working in that law office....


Primarily because it was a college job and I pretty much worked for the equivilant of Lionel Hutz and living in Europe is a lot cooler than living in Texas.

But if you were referring to my "cool story bro" anecdote please tell me where I am wrong - in both situations trying to address why something occured ended with me being accused of somehow making the criminal act itself "justified"


so...because (in your view) a victim is always at least partially responsible for BEING a victim, then the perpetrator isn't really accountable for their crimes?

No, not only did I never say that I actually repeatedly said the opposite - but I suppose it is easier to argue with someone when you just make up shiat they didn't say and attribute it to them.

Can I play too? How dare you say that Hitler was a great man!

or its a mitigating factor anyways. Lets take that concept for a walk, shall we? lets say Sony entertainment corp gets hacked. according to your legal theories, Sony corp is at least partially responsible for ...

Well I was never applying any of this to law. In a criminal court the criminal doesn't get a pass if the victim was careless. If Sony didn't secure their servers properly the hacker doesn't get any brownie points for that. If you leave your front door open and a criminal comes in and steals your TV you are an idiot for leaving your front door open, but the law doesn't give that criminal less of a sentence because o fit.

In civil courts the apportioning of blame is fairly common. If they think 30% of the blame is one party and 70% is the others than the penalty will be apportioned that way. This isn't a new way of looking at it, although to be fair I have never looked into a civil rape case.

Anyways, in short - no - I have never proposed even for one second that criminal courts should somehow alleviate a rapist in any scenario. Nor have I once talked about who "deserves" what.
 
2012-02-13 07:56:42 PM  

Biological Ali: Never said otherwise than what? I merely pointed out that your (increasingly belabored) argument was neither here nor there due to how poorly representative that notion is of rapes in general.


I never said all rapes were preventable. You put those words in my mouth. Getting pretty old actually.

Genevieve Marie:
You seem to be implying that women should just accept this.


Again with the lies. That comment was in response to a statement that men should exercise the exact same judgement to avoid date rape as men. Obviously it's more likely for one gender than the other. In no other setting would this statement be controversial. But you are in a frenzy for some reason.

That because we're women, we can't have male friends, have lives, be in any situation at all in which it's possible that we'll be raped... and if we are, and we get raped, than WE should have prevented it by staying segregated and separate.

Does the constant lying ever get to you?

How do you not get how reprehensible that idea is? And how limiting? Do you think women could have jobs if they were constantly afraid to be around male co-workers? Under your rules for behavior, we pretty much can't function as independent adults.

Oh I get it. It's just that I never had that idea. I won't defend what your strawman is thinking. I'll let him do it.

And you think WE'RE somehow in the wrong for not wanting to live under those rules. That's pretty much misogyny at its most basic.


At no point did you refer to anything I had actually said. Your entire argument revolves around lies, comments taken out of context, more lies, and strawmen.

If I say it's all the perps fault you come back with "so you're saying it's all the victims fault!"

If I say some caution is probably a good idea to prevent some rapes but in no way excuses those rapes that do occur and won't prevent all of them "so you're saying women should avoid all men forever because it's all their fault they get raped!?!?"

Then you come back with these weird rules that you think I've created that are hilarious but not very representative of anything. You have become hysterical. Step away from the computer and breath. Then come back and actually read what I have written.

A Dark Evil Omen: watson.t.hamster: A Dark Evil Omen: Yep, you were exactly right, because you're a piece of shiat. You recognize it, you could choose not to be.

Not quite. The strawman you are arguing against is an awful person. Just terrible, supports rape thinks victims are to blame, doesn't want rapists to go to jail.

He's a real scumbag.

The mistake you have made is confusing him with me. You can tell the difference because one has made the claims you are arguing against (strawman) and one has consistently said the opposite (me).

No, I'm going by what you've said. You have made it clear that rape victims inevitably deserve some level of blame for their victimization. Remember upthread? Suits of hundred dollar bills? You've been humping that for the entire thread (except for the bits where you were white-knighting Fox News).


Right, like I said I can explicitly state that it is entirely the attackers fault and idiots, such as yourself, will come back with "so you're saying it's entirely the victims fault!??!".

I've said this enough times that it is clear you are being intentionally dishonest and mischaracterizing me rather than just woefully ignorant as I first suspected.
 
2012-02-13 07:57:14 PM  

Genevieve Marie: That's what you said. Own it.


Your telling a guy who has probably given himself carpal tunnel trying to turn the subject of rape into a grey area--for no other reason than to cling to the strange need for his favorite cable television network to be righteous-- to own it. Just a reminder.
 
2012-02-13 07:59:10 PM  
Backpedal faster, little man.
 
2012-02-13 07:59:49 PM  

watson.t.hamster: Right, like I said I can explicitly state that it is entirely the attackers fault and idiots, such as yourself, will come back with "so you're saying it's entirely the victims fault!??!".


U MAD, BRO? Sorry for telling the truth about you.

watson.t.hamster: Got drunk, passed out a frat party after making out with every guy there and getting them to buy you beer by telling them how horny you were and you were raped? There was literally nothing you could have done to prevent that.


watson.t.hamster: I suppose it depends on how the word "blame" is used. If it means you made a poor choice that you could have avoided then I would agree. If it means "and everything that happened afterwards is entirely your fault and the perpetrators are let off the hook because of your short skirt" then I disagree.


watson.t.hamster: Would someone who is not cautious be fairly described as "unwise"?


You really are a constitutionally dishonest little fark, aren't you?
 
2012-02-13 07:59:54 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: You're clearly a man who's never discussed the issue of rape with a woman.


Among many other issues. Like dinner, or means of correspondence.
 
2012-02-13 07:59:57 PM  
Wow. That's some pretty intense mental gymnastics.
 
2012-02-13 08:00:07 PM  

watson.t.hamster: I argued for sensible precautions that will prevent some rapes rather than extreme paranoia to avoid every possible instance of rape.


Precautions like holding courses for men, particularly teenage boys and young adult men, on how to control their base urges and not engage in sexual activity with someone who hasn't given explicit consent? Precautions like starting anti-rape campaigns aimed at men, since the overwhelming majority of rapists are men? Those are good ideas. Is that what you're arguing for? Because if so, we agree.
 
2012-02-13 08:00:33 PM  

thamike: Genevieve Marie: That's what you said. Own it.

Your telling a guy who has probably given himself carpal tunnel trying to turn the subject of rape into a grey area--for no other reason than to cling to the strange need for his favorite cable television network to be righteous-- to own it. Just a reminder.


you're
 
2012-02-13 08:00:43 PM  

thamike: Genevieve Marie: That's what you said. Own it.

Your telling a guy who has probably given himself carpal tunnel trying to turn the subject of rape into a grey area--for no other reason than to cling to the strange need for his favorite cable television network to be righteous-- to own it. Just a reminder.


Is that what he's doing. I thought he was just killing time since Monday Night Football season is over.

I'm so bored now! Thank God for hockey.
 
2012-02-13 08:01:00 PM  
Wow, this threat got much shorter...and much more intelligent when I ignored the retard that was threadshiatting. (Dark Evil Omen)
 
2012-02-13 08:01:46 PM  

Tarl3k: Wow, this threat got much shorter...and much more intelligent when I ignored the retard that was threadshiatting. (Dark Evil Omen)


Haha, what?
 
2012-02-13 08:01:50 PM  

lilplatinum: Anyways, in short - no - I have never proposed even for one second that criminal courts should somehow alleviate a rapist in any scenario. Nor have I once talked about who "deserves" what..


but you said that someone who gets raped in prison deserves it.

No one 'deserves' to be raped, or to be the victim of any crime. (Except maybe rapists who get raped in prison..)

- lilplatinum 2012-02-13 07:39:02 PM

seems pretty clear to me that you advocate rape as a form of punishment.
 
2012-02-13 08:03:44 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Thank God for hockey.


Rapist.
 
2012-02-13 08:03:48 PM  

lilplatinum: After having worked for a criminal defense lawyer I am fully convinced that most victims of crimes bear some responsibility of what happened, insofar as they could have done something smarter to avoid it.


I'm curious, would you think this sounded just as smart if, say, it were addressing children being sexually assaulted?

Sure, we could all do something more to avoid predators (lock ourselves in a basement for the rest of our lives, for example), but that doesn't not make anyone responsible for being preyed upon.

Now, I realize you are defending criminals (and everyone deserves a vigorous defense), and maybe thinking women are somehow to blame for being assulted is a coping mechanism for you. I get it, whatever it takes to help you sleep at night. But it still doesn't speak well of you to the rest of the population.

In the law, you are responsible for your own crimes. You are not responsible for crimes commited upon you by others. Women are not responsible for being raped. Children are not responsible for being molested. Murder victims are not responsible for being killed.

No...just...No.
 
2012-02-13 08:04:01 PM  

watson.t.hamster: I never said all rapes were preventable. You put those words in my mouth. Getting pretty old actually.


Did I say you said that? This is the second post in a row where you've missed my fairly straightforward point while suggesting that I claimed that you said something that I never claimed you said. Is this some kind of elaborate meta-troll where you do the things you accuse others of doing, or something?
 
2012-02-13 08:04:11 PM  

Weaver95: lilplatinum: Anyways, in short - no - I have never proposed even for one second that criminal courts should somehow alleviate a rapist in any scenario. Nor have I once talked about who "deserves" what..

but you said that someone who gets raped in prison deserves it.

No one 'deserves' to be raped, or to be the victim of any crime. (Except maybe rapists who get raped in prison..)

- lilplatinum 2012-02-13 07:39:02 PM

seems pretty clear to me that you advocate rape as a form of punishment.


Oh for farks sake, internet prison rape jokes do not constitute propositions for it to become a legal punishment.

And if you are going to be pedantic that's not even what I said. But keep grasping.
 
2012-02-13 08:06:10 PM  

Biological Ali: watson.t.hamster: Having a ride home is "permanent paranoia"?

Of course not. Permanent paranoia would be resolving that you would never under any circumstances be driven home by a male, even if it's somebody you know.


I said that? Could you quote it? I recall saying that getting hammered and accepting a ride home from a male "acquaintance" wasn't all that wise.

Genevieve Marie: watson.t.hamster: This was in fact not said by me.

Yes it was. I asked you what the woman in question had done that was stupid when she went out with friends, had drinks, and had a male acquaintance drive her home. You said she was stupid for having drinks at all


In fact I did not.

, and for not having a woman drive her home.

In fact I did not.

Which means that you think it's stupid for a woman to have drinks and you think it's stupid for a woman to drive home alone with a man, and if she does either of those two things, it's possible she's to blame for her own rape.

That's what you said. Own it.

I will not, as I never said those things.

You'll note, if you were in the least honest, that those were merely options I came up with AT YOUR REQUEST.

Getting hammered such that you cannot drive then taking a ride home with someone you sort of know but isn't a friend (acquaintance) is unwise. Yes.

That other stuff you said, address it to straw.t.hamster.


Mike Chewbacca: watson.t.hamster: No, you're thinking of straw.t.hamster. I argued for sensible precautions that will prevent some rapes rather than extreme paranoia to avoid every possible instance of rape. Stop responding to the strawman but addressing it to me.

Sensible precautions like not thinking the male soldier she serves with won't rape her if she has to use the latrine at night? Sensible precautions like not drinking any water after 4pm in 120 degree weather so you don't HAVE to use the latrine at night? (new window)


This conversation had moved from the soldiers to civilian life. Sorry if you missed the transition.

Also, I find it hilarious that you think most women don't take sensible precautions. You're clearly a man who's never discussed the issue of rape with a woman.

I said that?

Look at no point have any of you actually debated any of my actual arguments. Doesn't that grate on you even a little?

I mean at some point the lies must get to you? Right?

/like I said there is a special kind of logic that prevails on rape threads that says it is ok to completely lie about someone else in order to . . . I'm not sure what the goal is here. I've already said rape is unquestionably wrong and shouldn't happen . . . so . . . . what exactly is the point of all your lying and misrepresenting?
 
2012-02-13 08:06:41 PM  

lilplatinum:
Oh for farks sake, internet prison rape jokes do not constitute propositions for it to become a legal punishment.


so rape is basically a joke to you then? 'ha ha you got raped!' yuk yuk, drum roll close the curtains kinda stuff?
 
2012-02-13 08:07:32 PM  

Biological Ali: watson.t.hamster: I never said all rapes were preventable. You put those words in my mouth. Getting pretty old actually.

Did I say you said that? This is the second post in a row where you've missed my fairly straightforward point while suggesting that I claimed that you said something that I never claimed you said. Is this some kind of elaborate meta-troll where you do the things you accuse others of doing, or something?


I think you must be right. He's also doing an amusing job of attempting to nail himself to a cross.
 
2012-02-13 08:07:36 PM  

Biological Ali: This is the second post in a row where you've missed my fairly straightforward point while suggesting that I claimed that you said something that I never claimed you said. Is this some kind of elaborate meta-troll where you do the things you accuse others of doing, or something?


It's obviously your lack of understanding of proper pronoun usage.
 
2012-02-13 08:07:39 PM  
Settle down, everyone.

I am not about to take sides with the rodent, because I am all for the instant death of all hamsters; but his tortured argument is one which fools often make when they think they are being reasonable about why women are "responsible" for not getting raped. I run into this all the time.

OF COURSE women should take "sensible precautions" to AVOID rape (not "prevent"); but they're not what buffoons like him seem to think. And they have less to do with not going out drinking or being careful who you get into a car with, because by then it's way too late. They have to do with adjusting your mind set months or years before you ever get into trouble.

It does NOT mean living in a state of perpetual paranoia, just in a state of awareness. Not all men are potential rapists; in fact, most men would never harm a woman, and certainly not by forcible rape. Once you know that, you can protect yourself against the ones who are. And you can do so without giving up all the fun stuff you like to do: You can go out, you can drink, if that's your preference, you can live alone, you can walk around late at night (assuming you live in an area where you can do that anyway); hell, you can even date and invite people home for dinner. And you can join the military or be a cop.

It DOES, however, mean you change the way you think about things, and one of them is that you as a woman have to stop being a nice sweet friendly woman and demand the same respect and dignity from others that you give to them. You don't ASK, or timidly request, you insist, and if you don't get it, you don't cower away and sit in the corner or cry and go to your supervisor. You do have to let people know that you're prepared to back yourself up 110% and alone if necessary--because that's what men do, you see.

Now of course, that won't protect you against the 1% of rapists who are going to leap at you from behind the bushes and hold a gun to your head; and then you have to have your mind made up about what you're going to do in those cases as well; what you're going to say, what you're going to do and so on. Myself, I've already decided any man who rapes me will die, either before, during or after the attack; but not everyone can make that decision.
 
2012-02-13 08:07:40 PM  
This thread has really left my head spinning with contradictions.

First disclosure, I loathe this woman in question already for other reasons and her quotes were pretty callous no doubt.

However, I don't quite understand how bringing up the iron clad fact that sexual assaults on female soldiers have increased markedly during the exact same period they are assuming more integrated roles with the men in the fighting force equates to "blaming the victim". That is a statement of realty and a very sobering reminder of how depraved some men are in disrespecting women. Still, this women's very careless and jaded "what did you respect?" remark is in remarkably poor taste. However, all the education in the world, "sensitivity training", and heightened disciplinary enforcement likely will not reduce this phenomena in the near future when the sexes mingle in close quarters, highly charged circumstances, and with minimal supervision of their superiors to the extent they even care sadly. I feel very similarly when I hear horror stories about women who join the Peace Corps and get raped. I wish many men were not that way, however, many are and you need to be conscious of the danger you are putting yourself in. The women in these circumstances who were brutalized were the victims. The men who perpetrated these acts were the guilty parties and should be punished. However, I don't believe that is much of consolation to these women-after the fact.

Now to the personal side of the story, where I think things get more complex. The issue of defining rape has many straightforward definitions that should be obvious to all of us (No means No!). However, in the college dating scene, I have noticed really man-hating feminist tendencies that I have found completely unfair. One, to basically cast all men as potential rapists who just want to use women's bodies. Two, to advance the concept that women are never, ever responsible for putting themselves into situations or conditions that make them more vulnerable to being raped (not assigning blame but a higher statistical probability of adverse outcomes). And no I am not talking about walking late at night scantily clad being tackled by some maniac because the statistics bear out that most women are actually raped by someone they know, I am talking about leading a guy on in bed but not being clear to him about boundaries or being too drunk to make understanding if a consent has been made clear cut-it can sometimes get a little gray, let's all admit it. Does saying "I want you baby!" equate to a consent? Or should we stop everything, sober up, and formally ask "Is protected vaginal intercourse accepted by Jane Doe" and she replies with "Affirmative!"

And for the really rabid feminists who have an issue with my line of reasoning, consider the following:

Before sex occurs when any alcohol or other potentially conscious or decision-altering drugs have been used, should both parties be require to:

1. Have a Breathalyzer test on hand to test each others levels against some standard?
2. Be able to walk a straightline?
3. Take a basic logical reasoning test and pass a certain threshold?
4. Make sure that there is a readily accessible means of transportation to the other parties domicile and that money is available?
5. Then the man can ask if the woman wants to have sex as well as what types and protection methods AND be sure due to the above factors she was able to give a non-coerced, fully-conscious affirmation to engage in sexual activity. She must sign the document as well as him.
6. He must then file this binding legal contract with a notary public to avoid allegations.
 
2012-02-13 08:09:50 PM  

watson.t.hamster: Genevieve Marie: watson.t.hamster: This was in fact not said by me.

Yes it was. I asked you what the woman in question had done that was stupid when she went out with friends, had drinks, and had a male acquaintance drive her home. You said she was stupid for having drinks at all

In fact I did not.

, and for not having a woman drive her home.

In fact I did not.


"Genevieve Marie: No, I'm asking you what specifically she did that was dumb in that scenario. She went out with friends. She had drinks. She had a guy she'd met before and knew drive her home. She still got raped.

What exactly should the woman in that scenario done? Not met friends? Not had drinks? Not been alone with a guy?

Not gotten drunk and driven home with a male "acquaintance". Had a female friend drive her home. Call a cab. Wait until she could get home on her own. Carry mace.
"

Dude, I feel like I'm in the twilight zone here. You most certainly said that a woman should not have had drinks or ridden home with a guy if she didn't want to be raped.
 
2012-02-13 08:10:17 PM  
The last few women I've had the pleasure of dating have studied swordplay, karate, brewing/vinting, herbalism and shootin' guns. They are also damn good in the sack when they want you. Yep, each one of them is a pagan maniac of some kind or other. If you tried to rape one of them you'd end up fighting for your life.

/give your daughters knives
 
2012-02-13 08:11:37 PM  

Ambivalence: I'm curious, would you think this sounded just as smart if, say, it were addressing children being sexually assaulted?

Sure, we could all do something more to avoid predators (lock ourselves in a basement for the rest of our lives, for example), but that doesn't not make anyone responsible for being preyed upon.


In what sense? Children shouldn't have responsibility for their own safety since they are children, that is a parents job. I do think parents have a responsibility to pay enough attention to their children's activities to keep them safe, but for both children and adults I realize that a responsibility to safety can be taken overboard.

As I said several posts up, having to cloister yourself to keep yourself safe is not a reasonable expectation.

Now, I realize you are defending criminals (and everyone deserves a vigorous defense), and maybe thinking women are somehow to blame for being assulted is a coping mechanism for you. I get it, whatever it takes to help you sleep at night. But it still doesn't speak well of you to the rest of the population.

I don't defend criminals anymore and I'm not making a legal argument. I'm making a generic observation that most victims of most crimes I ever saw had reasonable actions that could have made them safer. Some minor, some glaring. Its not limited to rape and its not a judgment on the victim 'deserving it' or the criminal somehow being exculpated. Its just a commentary on life in general that the world farking sucks, and especially when using drugs and alcohol you need to take as many precautions as possible.

I'm sure as Genevieve Marie said many, many women do take plenty of precautions and still get sexually assaulted. The criminal is no less guilty regardless of what she did or not.

My entire commentary on the matter (and the outrage misinterpreting posts that followed which kind of proved my point) is that you can't even discuss the concept of underlying causes of rape without being portrayed as a rape sympathizer.

In the law, you are responsible for your own crimes. You are not responsible for crimes commited upon you by others. Women are not responsible for being raped. Children are not responsible for being molested. Murder victims are not responsible for being killed.

In criminal law, yes, you are absolutely right. I've never suggested anything else.
 
2012-02-13 08:12:24 PM  
That's because rape is what the Right expects from adult men, as outlined in the Bible.
 
2012-02-13 08:12:26 PM  
so what's my minimum daily requirement of rape? Can't find the guidelines, need to make sure I'm getting enough, but not too much
 
2012-02-13 08:12:34 PM  

Amagi: Before sex occurs when any alcohol or other potentially conscious or decision-altering drugs have been used, should both parties be require to:

1. Have a Breathalyzer test on hand to test each others levels against some standard?
2. Be able to walk a straightline?
3. Take a basic logical reasoning test and pass a certain threshold?
4. Make sure that there is a readily accessible means of transportation to the other parties domicile and that money is available?
5. Then the man can ask if the woman wants to have sex as well as what types and protection methods AND be sure due to the above factors she was able to give a non-coerced, fully-conscious affirmation to engage in sexual activity. She must sign the document as well as him.
6. He must then file this binding legal contract with a notary public to avoid allegations.


Please, I have a hard enough time getting laid :)
 
2012-02-13 08:13:17 PM  

Weaver95: so rape is basically a joke to you then? 'ha ha you got raped!' yuk yuk, drum roll close the curtains kinda stuff?


Yes, I obviously made the only joke in bad taste ever on fark. What a horrible person, I'm going to go hang my head in shame and return to the thread where everyone is mocking a dead coke addicted victim of domestic violence....
 
2012-02-13 08:13:48 PM  

Biological Ali:

watson.t.hamster: I never said all rapes were preventable. You put those words in my mouth. Getting pretty old actually.

Did I say you said that? This is the second post in a row where you've missed my fairly straightforward point while suggesting that I claimed that you said something that I never claimed you said. Is this some kind of elaborate meta-troll where you do the things you accuse others of doing, or something?


I can tell you are an extremely dishonest person.


The point is that this "someone makes a poor decision and gets raped" notion isn't representative of rapes in general. It's like if I walked into a thread about robberies and said "Well maybe if people didn't publicly announce the dates and times that they'd be away from home, they wouldn't be getting robbed so often" Such a statement, even if it is correct in and of itself, would be neither here nor there given how poorly representative it is of robberies in general.


I never said it was. You implied that I said this was representative. You are a liar.

Like I said, getting old.

Kome: watson.t.hamster: I argued for sensible precautions that will prevent some rapes rather than extreme paranoia to avoid every possible instance of rape.

Precautions like holding courses for men, particularly teenage boys and young adult men, on how to control their base urges and not engage in sexual activity with someone who hasn't given explicit consent? Precautions like starting anti-rape campaigns aimed at men, since the overwhelming majority of rapists are men? Those are good ideas. Is that what you're arguing for? Because if so, we agree.


Clearly focusing on just one side of the equation is the best solution.


A Dark Evil Omen: watson.t.hamster: Right, like I said I can explicitly state that it is entirely the attackers fault and idiots, such as yourself, will come back with "so you're saying it's entirely the victims fault!??!".

U MAD, BRO? Sorry for telling the truth about you.


No, just lies so far. I look forward to reading the truth from you but I am no optimistic.

watson.t.hamster: Got drunk, passed out a frat party after making out with every guy there and getting them to buy you beer by telling them how horny you were and you were raped? There was literally nothing you could have done to prevent that.

watson.t.hamster: I suppose it depends on how the word "blame" is used. If it means you made a poor choice that you could have avoided then I would agree. If it means "and everything that happened afterwards is entirely your fault and the perpetrators are let off the hook because of your short skirt" then I disagree.

watson.t.hamster: Would someone who is not cautious be fairly described as "unwise"?

You really are a constitutionally dishonest little fark, aren't you?


Hmm. . . you did a very stupid thing here. You actually collected my quotes that point out the exact opposite of what you were trying to claim I had said. In every case I said it wasn't a good idea to do X, not that they are at fault.

And when I did use the word blame (which was from someone elses post) I was clear to define it in a certain way such that it was entirely the rapists fault. So . . . what do you suppose you proved here?
 
2012-02-13 08:13:56 PM  

SharkInfested: so what's my minimum daily requirement of rape? Can't find the guidelines, need to make sure I'm getting enough, but not too much


40 lbs, I guess?
 
2012-02-13 08:14:32 PM  

watson.t.hamster: I said that? Could you quote it? I recall saying that getting hammered and accepting a ride home from a male "acquaintance" wasn't all that wise.


On the off chance that you're actually serious (something that I'm growing increasingly skeptical about with each post you make), here's what you said, along with what you responded to:

watson.t.hamster: Genevieve Marie: No, I'm asking you what specifically she did that was dumb in that scenario. She went out with friends. She had drinks. She had a guy she'd met before and knew drive her home. She still got raped.

What exactly should the woman in that scenario done? Not met friends? Not had drinks? Not been alone with a guy?

Not gotten drunk and driven home with a male "acquaintance". Had a female friend drive her home. Call a cab. Wait until she could get home on her own. Carry mace.


Now, if your problem is that you don't read posts before responding to them, or that you rapidly forget the things you actually say in your posts, that's not something that the rest of us can help.
 
2012-02-13 08:14:36 PM  
I think I can save some time and bandwidth here by saying I will only respond to comments addressed to me, rather than to some strawman version of me.
 
2012-02-13 08:14:38 PM  

Amagi: However, I don't quite understand how bringing up the iron clad fact that sexual assaults on female soldiers have increased markedly during the exact same period they are assuming more integrated roles with the men in the fighting force equates to "blaming the victim". That is a statement of realty and a very sobering reminder of how depraved some men are in disrespecting women. Still, this women's very careless and jaded "what did you respect?" remark is in remarkably poor taste.


That's the argument everyone else is making.

It was the combination of that statement as well as derping about the "feminists" basically shows us that what she is really saying is that women were asking for rape since they left the kitchen.

I can't wait until her, Phylis Schafly and folks like them die off.
 
2012-02-13 08:14:49 PM  

watson.t.hamster: Hmm. . . you did a very stupid thing here. You actually collected my quotes that point out the exact opposite of what you were trying to claim I had said.


Yeah, GM's right, this is some Twilight Zone shiat here. What goes on in your head?
 
2012-02-13 08:15:38 PM  
whatakunt
 
2012-02-13 08:17:06 PM  

nigeman: whatakunt


Sounds like a strip club in Texas.
 
2012-02-13 08:17:15 PM  

Weaver95: lilplatinum: Anyways, in short - no - I have never proposed even for one second that criminal courts should somehow alleviate a rapist in any scenario. Nor have I once talked about who "deserves" what..

but you said that someone who gets raped in prison deserves it.

No one 'deserves' to be raped, or to be the victim of any crime. (Except maybe rapists who get raped in prison..)

- lilplatinum 2012-02-13 07:39:02 PM

seems pretty clear to me that you advocate rape as a form of punishment.


Go a step further, the head of prison in CA went on the record stating that AIDS was part of a prisoners sentence.
Talk about somebody who needs to get raped in prison for even thinking shiat like that.
 
2012-02-13 08:17:17 PM  

watson.t.hamster: I think I can save some time and bandwidth here by saying I will only respond to comments addressed to me, rather than to some strawman version of me.


AHA! I've got it! wth is Newt Gingrich's Fark login!
 
2012-02-13 08:17:26 PM  
'Apparently somebody here has confused Fark with "therapy."
 
2012-02-13 08:17:35 PM  

Mrtraveler01: nigeman: whatakunt

Sounds like a strip club in Texas.


One of the classy 18+ BYOB ones at that..
 
jvl
2012-02-13 08:18:23 PM  
It's nice to know that the Right also has a war on women. I'd hate to think that only Democrats did stuff like question the sexuality of a the husband of woman running for President, create bikini pictures of women who are nominated for vice-president, and openly make jokes about ping-pong ball whores if a woman of Asian decent dares to espouse nutty Conservative beliefs.
 
2012-02-13 08:18:59 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: 40 lbs, I guess?


Is that perishable? Can I freeze it? And for how long? I know my venison chili sure didn't last long in the fridge...
 
2012-02-13 08:19:34 PM  

Biological Ali: watson.t.hamster: I said that? Could you quote it? I recall saying that getting hammered and accepting a ride home from a male "acquaintance" wasn't all that wise.

On the off chance that you're actually serious (something that I'm growing increasingly skeptical about with each post you make), here's what you said, along with what you responded to:

watson.t.hamster: Genevieve Marie: No, I'm asking you what specifically she did that was dumb in that scenario. She went out with friends. She had drinks. She had a guy she'd met before and knew drive her home. She still got raped.

What exactly should the woman in that scenario done? Not met friends? Not had drinks? Not been alone with a guy?

Not gotten drunk and driven home with a male "acquaintance". Had a female friend drive her home. Call a cab. Wait until she could get home on her own. Carry mace.

Now, if your problem is that you don't read posts before responding to them, or that you rapidly forget the things you actually say in your posts, that's not something that the rest of us can help.


Yes, I offered a number of alternatives of genes request.

Of course not. Permanent paranoia would be resolving that you would never under any circumstances be driven home by a male, even if it's somebody you know.


You are a serially dishonest person if you take "maybe not so wise to get hammered and take a ride with a guy you don't know that well" to mean "never ride with any male"

You lied, and I want you to see how you lied because it's indicative of how you have been responding to me all along.

Do you understand?
 
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