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2012-02-13 07:27:45 PM

namatad: A Dark Evil Omen: Rent Party: Genevieve Marie: lilplatinum: Genevieve Marie: The fact that you just used the phrase "being drunk and crying rape" should tell anyone with half a brain what they needed to know about you.

argumentum ad hominem, truly the cornerstone of any well built logical belief system.

That wasn't an ad hominem argument. I was criticizing your beliefs and the dismissive way you discuss rape.

That actually was ad hominem.

Flesh out the statement. What, specifically, should anyone with half a brain know about him?

That he's a douchebag rape apologist?

throw in: if you had read the thread, you would know the context of the conversation ...


And not that I disagree. I just like writing in the active voice.
 
2012-02-13 07:28:22 PM

moralpanic: The Numbers:
Not intending to be snarky, genuine question: do you think this also applies in cases of statutory rape where the victim has been deliberately misleading about their age?

Not intending to be snarky, genuine question: are you really this stupid or is this an act for attention?


No.


Kome: The Numbers: Kome: If we want to talk about the immediate, proximal cause that is responsible for initiating and carrying through with the act of raping a person, then blame lies solely with the rapist and not one iota with the victim.

Not intending to be snarky, genuine question: do you think this also applies in cases of statutory rape where the victim has been deliberately misleading about their age?

Yes. For a couple of reasons. Some are ethical and some are pragmatic, but I'll just list two and we can use those as a springboard to further conversation if you want. The ethical reasons include the responsibility of the individual to make sure your partner is legally eligible to engage in sexual activities with you (this includes not just age but things like mental handicap and so on). The pragmatic reasons include things like establishing legal precedent as a defense. i.e. Just how far should one be legally required to go to satisfy the police/courts? (among the other legal questions that would have to be answered if we open that pandora's box)

Of course, that presumes that kind of statutory rape is at all common enough. I would wager, though I'm not familiar on the statistics of statutory rape, it's not at all that common. And then there's the point that maybe adults shouldn't be trolling for ass around areas where underage people are reasonably expected to be. Also, it presumes I know enough about law to make general statements like that, which I must admit I am assuredly not, so all of the above is my lay-opinion that may not hold up against someone familiar with the law regarding this subject.


I'd agree with much of what you've said. For me the pragmatic reason is the clincher - it'd be impossible to draw the line anywhere else.

Re: bolded text. This seems a bit restrictive, given that it'd probably isn't unreasonable to expect underage people in the main place adults troll for ass, a bar. Throws up an interesting scenario if our perp were to see the victim successfully pass an ID check by the barman (and before anyone suggests it, there is not an ucsb behind that)
 
2012-02-13 07:28:49 PM

red5ish: She used to be a real journalist but it is obvious that she's overdue for retirement and confinement to a home for cranky old bigots.


In other words, we should send her to Arizona. Sounds good.
 
2012-02-13 07:28:53 PM

watson.t.hamster: So you're saying if someone makes a poor decision and gets raped it's not their fault (rather it is the attacker) but they were unwise?

In other words exactly what I've been saying.

Clearly there is an outrage here somewhere.


The point is that this "someone makes a poor decision and gets raped" notion isn't representative of rapes in general. It's like if I walked into a thread about robberies and said "Well maybe if people didn't publicly announce the dates and times that they'd be away from home, they wouldn't be getting robbed so often" Such a statement, even if it is correct in and of itself, would be neither here nor there given how poorly representative it is of robberies in general.
 
2012-02-13 07:29:34 PM

lilplatinum: . After having worked for a criminal defense lawyer I am fully convinced that most victims of crimes bear some responsibility of what happened, insofar as they could have done something smarter to avoid it. .


so your defense isn't that the victim deserved it...but that they got raped because they deserved it.

fine logic you've got there.
 
2012-02-13 07:30:59 PM
300 posts and not a peep from the rape Lincoln. Farkers I am disappoint.
 
2012-02-13 07:31:45 PM

sparkeyjames: 300 posts and not a peep from the rape Lincoln. Farkers I am disappoint.


Even Raperaham Lincoln thinks this is farked up.
 
2012-02-13 07:31:51 PM

Genevieve Marie: No, I'm asking you what specifically she did that was dumb in that scenario. She went out with friends. She had drinks. She had a guy she'd met before and knew drive her home. She still got raped.

What exactly should the woman in that scenario done? Not met friends? Not had drinks? Not been alone with a guy?


Not gotten drunk and driven home with a male "acquaintance". Had a female friend drive her home. Call a cab. Wait until she could get home on her own. Carry mace.

Because it's pretty damn absurd to act like a woman is dumb for participating in normal human activities and going about her day to day life.

Parking a car is a day to day occurrence. You shouldn't have to worry about what neighborhood it's in, whether the doors are locked, if it's perhaps a little too nice for that area. THAT DOESN'T EXCUSE CAR THEFT!!!!!

But since this is reality . . .
 
2012-02-13 07:33:15 PM

The Numbers: Re: bolded text. This seems a bit restrictive, given that it'd probably isn't unreasonable to expect underage people in the main place adults troll for ass, a bar. Throws up an interesting scenario if our perp were to see the victim successfully pass an ID check by the barman (and before anyone suggests it, there is not an ucsb behind that)


I don't know if its state by state but the courts ruled one in Texas that it was the bars responsibility to ensure 21 and up only entry so the charge was dismissed since a reasonable person would assume the bar did their due diligence (Well, a reasonable person would realize how many people had fake IDs, but that was the court ruling)
 
2012-02-13 07:34:14 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: watson.t.hamster: Genevieve Marie: watson.t.hamster: The comment I was referring to dealt with getting drunk around strangers, not the military. Context, how does it work?

So if she'd gotten drunk around friends and gotten raped by the acquaintance who offered to drive her home, would you still consider her actions stupid?

Because statistically, it's more likely to happen that way.

Yeah that's pretty dumb.

And the funny thing is I can say that even though that decision was unwise it is still the perps fault entirely and he should go to jail and no one deserves to be raped and so on and you will still come back with "so you're saying she deserved to be raped?!??! You're sick . . ." Or some variant thereof.

Don't believe me? Just watch . . .

Continue to minimize responsibility on the perpetrating party ("it is still the perps fault entirely ") and offload as much as you think you can get away with on the victim, and you will continue to be called out for minimizing responsibility of the perpetrating party and offloading as much as you think you can get away with on the victim("no one deserves to be raped"). The fact that you have spent this entire thread groping around for ways to put as much blame as possible on rape victims while playing this bullshiat "But I agree with you, I just have concerns" game just makes you a bigger piece of shiat than straight up rape apologists, because it means you farking know better.("you will still come back with "so you're saying she deserved to be raped?!??! You're sick . . ." Or some variant thereof")

 
2012-02-13 07:34:15 PM

watson.t.hamster: Not gotten drunk and driven home with a male "acquaintance". Had a female friend drive her home. Call a cab. Wait until she could get home on her own. Carry mace.


Or you know, the guy could just not rape her. Rape isn't something you ask for. Rape is something that is done to you.
 
2012-02-13 07:34:19 PM

watson.t.hamster: Genevieve Marie: No, I'm asking you what specifically she did that was dumb in that scenario. She went out with friends. She had drinks. She had a guy she'd met before and knew drive her home. She still got raped.

What exactly should the woman in that scenario done? Not met friends? Not had drinks? Not been alone with a guy?

Not gotten drunk and driven home with a male "acquaintance". Had a female friend drive her home. Call a cab. Wait until she could get home on her own. Carry mace.


I assume you recommend your male friends do all those things, too.
 
2012-02-13 07:35:11 PM

watson.t.hamster: A Dark Evil Omen: watson.t.hamster: Genevieve Marie: watson.t.hamster: The comment I was referring to dealt with getting drunk around strangers, not the military. Context, how does it work?

So if she'd gotten drunk around friends and gotten raped by the acquaintance who offered to drive her home, would you still consider her actions stupid?

Because statistically, it's more likely to happen that way.

Yeah that's pretty dumb.

And the funny thing is I can say that even though that decision was unwise it is still the perps fault entirely and he should go to jail and no one deserves to be raped and so on and you will still come back with "so you're saying she deserved to be raped?!??! You're sick . . ." Or some variant thereof.

Don't believe me? Just watch . . .

Continue to minimize responsibility on the perpetrating party ("it is still the perps fault entirely ") and offload as much as you think you can get away with on the victim, and you will continue to be called out for minimizing responsibility of the perpetrating party and offloading as much as you think you can get away with on the victim("no one deserves to be raped"). The fact that you have spent this entire thread groping around for ways to put as much blame as possible on rape victims while playing this bullshiat "But I agree with you, I just have concerns" game just makes you a bigger piece of shiat than straight up rape apologists, because it means you farking know better.("you will still come back with "so you're saying she deserved to be raped?!??! You're sick . . ." Or some variant thereof")


Yep, you were exactly right, because you're a piece of shiat. You recognize it, you could choose not to be.
 
2012-02-13 07:35:17 PM

lilplatinum: The Numbers: Re: bolded text. This seems a bit restrictive, given that it'd probably isn't unreasonable to expect underage people in the main place adults troll for ass, a bar. Throws up an interesting scenario if our perp were to see the victim successfully pass an ID check by the barman (and before anyone suggests it, there is not an ucsb behind that)

I don't know if its state by state but the courts ruled one in Texas that it was the bars responsibility to ensure 21 and up only entry so the charge was dismissed since a reasonable person would assume the bar did their due diligence (Well, a reasonable person would realize how many people had fake IDs, but that was the court ruling)


Wow, Texas actually had a court ruling I agree with! Head. Asplode.
 
2012-02-13 07:36:56 PM
I use ignore for trolls, because they have no interest in discussing things rationally, just stirring shiat. What do you use for someone who legitimately think's it's the victim's fault they were raped? There isn't a "reprehensible human being" button.
 
2012-02-13 07:37:17 PM

Mike Chewbacca: watson.t.hamster: Not gotten drunk and driven home with a male "acquaintance". Had a female friend drive her home. Call a cab. Wait until she could get home on her own. Carry mace.

Or you know, the guy could just not rape her.Rape isn't something you ask for. Rape is something that is done to you.



"And the funny thing is I can say that even though that decision was unwise it is still the perps fault entirely and he should go to jail and no one deserves to be raped and so on and you will still come back with "so you're saying she deserved to be raped?!??! You're sick . . ." Or some variant thereof."

Enough already, you've proven me right. Lay off for a bit.

Biological Ali: watson.t.hamster: So you're saying if someone makes a poor decision and gets raped it's not their fault (rather it is the attacker) but they were unwise?

In other words exactly what I've been saying.

Clearly there is an outrage here somewhere.

The point is that this "someone makes a poor decision and gets raped" notion isn't representative of rapes in general. It's like if I walked into a thread about robberies and said "Well maybe if people didn't publicly announce the dates and times that they'd be away from home, they wouldn't be getting robbed so often" Such a statement, even if it is correct in and of itself, would be neither here nor there given how poorly representative it is of robberies in general.


I never said otherwise.

Seriously do you people not realize that fark stores more than the last two comments and you can just go back and see what has actually been said?
 
2012-02-13 07:38:28 PM
This much stupid in one person should cause death. Or at the very least, bleeding from every orifice.
 
2012-02-13 07:38:40 PM

watson.t.hamster: Not gotten drunk and driven home with a male "acquaintance". Had a female friend drive her home. Call a cab. Wait until she could get home on her own. Carry mace.


There have been cases where cabbies raped women too. Also, would you find it reasonable if you offered to drive home a female acquaintance and she said "No, because I'm afraid you'll rape me"? Should women avoid all situations where they're alone with any man that isn't a close friend or relative?

And should women never have drinks because they might get raped?

Seriously, you're demanding some pretty ridiculous things of women in the name of us "protecting ourselves".
 
2012-02-13 07:39:02 PM

Weaver95: so your defense isn't that the victim deserved it...but that they got raped because they deserved it.

fine logic you've got there.


No, I didn't say anything remotely close to that. No one 'deserves' to be raped, or to be the victim of any crime. (Except maybe rapists who get raped in prison..) But pointing out what one did in a scenario to make the chances of victimhood ever is not about determining who 'deserves' what happened.

If someone goes skiing without a helmet and they die when landing on their head they certainly took actions that made that death more likely, it certainly doesn't mean they deserved to farking die.

We generally have no problem with other crimes looking at it this way, but when you do it in the context of rape all of a sudden you are a rape advocating monster. As said before I had this same conversation with right wingers in a piracy thread a while back - tried to explain WHY somali pirates attack vessels and I got attacked as an "apologist" and "why are you justifying the actions of muslim terrorists".

To be fair many times it is taken too far in the media for rape. Idiots who claim that "she dressed provocatively" are just trolling or know nothing as that is not really a significant factor in rape cases. However, alcohol is involved in a large number of rape cases (not to mention all sorts of other crimes and dumb shiat), so discussing it should not all of a sudden make you some sort of rapist rights activist.
 
2012-02-13 07:40:10 PM

Coco LaFemme: This much stupid in one person should cause death. Or at the very least, bleeding from every orifice.


Oh, if only. Personally, I would just like people like this to have one moment in their lives of perfect clarity, complete understanding of who they are, their place in the world and how what they believe relates to reality. Preferably with a loaded handgun in easy reach.
 
2012-02-13 07:40:15 PM

lilplatinum: The Numbers: Re: bolded text. This seems a bit restrictive, given that it'd probably isn't unreasonable to expect underage people in the main place adults troll for ass, a bar. Throws up an interesting scenario if our perp were to see the victim successfully pass an ID check by the barman (and before anyone suggests it, there is not an ucsb behind that)

I don't know if its state by state but the courts ruled one in Texas that it was the bars responsibility to ensure 21 and up only entry so the charge was dismissed since a reasonable person would assume the bar did their due diligence (Well, a reasonable person would realize how many people had fake IDs, but that was the court ruling)


Interesting. Texas has a particular history of stupid rulings when it comes to rape. They once construed asking a rapist to wear a condom as being consent.
 
2012-02-13 07:40:33 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Rape isn't something you ask for.


What if someone asks you to rape them because they find it kinky?
 
2012-02-13 07:40:43 PM

watson.t.hamster: Not gotten drunk and driven home with a male "acquaintance". Had a female friend drive her home. Call a cab. Wait until she could get home on her own. Carry mace.


So you're suggesting that the woman could potentially prevent such rapes if she were to incorporate a permanent state of paranoia into her day-to-day life? You're actually making Genevieve Marie's point here, though I'm not sure if you realize it.
 
2012-02-13 07:41:21 PM

The Numbers: Interesting. Texas has a particular history of stupid rulings when it comes to rape. They once construed asking a rapist to wear a condom as being consent.


Texas has a history of stupid rulings when it comes to pretty much anything... This one could very well have been overturned since I was last there.
 
2012-02-13 07:41:28 PM

watson.t.hamster: "And the funny thing is I can say that even though that decision was unwise it is still the perps fault entirely and he should go to jail and no one deserves to be raped and so on and you will still come back with "so you're saying she deserved to be raped?!??! You're sick . . ." Or some variant thereof."

Enough already, you've proven me right. Lay off for a bit.


You expect women to live their lives with one eye behind their backs armed to the teeth just in case a dude tries to rape her. We're all arguing that the standard should be expecting men to not rape.
 
2012-02-13 07:41:58 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: watson.t.hamster: Genevieve Marie: No, I'm asking you what specifically she did that was dumb in that scenario. She went out with friends. She had drinks. She had a guy she'd met before and knew drive her home. She still got raped.

What exactly should the woman in that scenario done? Not met friends? Not had drinks? Not been alone with a guy?

Not gotten drunk and driven home with a male "acquaintance". Had a female friend drive her home. Call a cab. Wait until she could get home on her own. Carry mace.

I assume you recommend your male friends do all those things, too.


Is it your contention that men are as likely to be date-raped as women?

Outside of prison, because there's not much you can do about that, which gender do you suppose is at a greater risk?

/there are plenty of things that make less sense for one gender than the other. This is news?

A Dark Evil Omen: Yep, you were exactly right, because you're a piece of shiat. You recognize it, you could choose not to be.


Not quite. The strawman you are arguing against is an awful person. Just terrible, supports rape thinks victims are to blame, doesn't want rapists to go to jail.

He's a real scumbag.

The mistake you have made is confusing him with me. You can tell the difference because one has made the claims you are arguing against (strawman) and one has consistently said the opposite (me).
 
2012-02-13 07:42:37 PM

Biological Ali: watson.t.hamster: Not gotten drunk and driven home with a male "acquaintance". Had a female friend drive her home. Call a cab. Wait until she could get home on her own. Carry mace.

So you're suggesting that the woman could potentially prevent such rapes if she were to incorporate a permanent state of paranoia into her day-to-day life? You're actually making Genevieve Marie's point here, though I'm not sure if you realize it.


But but but but but he's saying it's the rapist's fault! Just, y'know, it's also the victim's fault. Just enough that the victim should spend the rest of their life blaming themselves for what happened to them. Just that much. The perpetrator can still go to jail.
 
2012-02-13 07:44:15 PM

watson.t.hamster: I never said otherwise.

Seriously do you people not realize that fark stores more than the last two comments and you can just go back and see what has actually been said?


Never said otherwise than what? I merely pointed out that your (increasingly belabored) argument was neither here nor there due to how poorly representative that notion is of rapes in general.
 
2012-02-13 07:45:26 PM
If you consider the possibility that "they" could mean the Pentagon or advocates of putting women on the front lines, you have to acknowledge that the quote takes on an entirely different meaning.

But I understand, confirmation bias is much much easier.
 
2012-02-13 07:46:01 PM

watson.t.hamster: Outside of prison, because there's not much you can do about that, which gender do you suppose is at a greater risk?

/there are plenty of things that make less sense for one gender than the other. This is news?


You seem to be implying that women should just accept this. That because we're women, we can't have male friends, have lives, be in any situation at all in which it's possible that we'll be raped... and if we are, and we get raped, than WE should have prevented it by staying segregated and separate.

How do you not get how reprehensible that idea is? And how limiting? Do you think women could have jobs if they were constantly afraid to be around male co-workers? Under your rules for behavior, we pretty much can't function as independent adults.

And you think WE'RE somehow in the wrong for not wanting to live under those rules. That's pretty much misogyny at its most basic.
 
2012-02-13 07:46:04 PM
WTF is wrong with you white knighters in here? Rape is never the woman's fault.
 
2012-02-13 07:46:05 PM
Rape culture just isn't in third countries, people. Seriously, this is like dystopian crap right here.
 
2012-02-13 07:46:11 PM

watson.t.hamster: A Dark Evil Omen: Yep, you were exactly right, because you're a piece of shiat. You recognize it, you could choose not to be.

Not quite. The strawman you are arguing against is an awful person. Just terrible, supports rape thinks victims are to blame, doesn't want rapists to go to jail.

He's a real scumbag.

The mistake you have made is confusing him with me. You can tell the difference because one has made the claims you are arguing against (strawman) and one has consistently said the opposite (me).


No, I'm going by what you've said. You have made it clear that rape victims inevitably deserve some level of blame for their victimization. Remember upthread? Suits of hundred dollar bills? You've been humping that for the entire thread (except for the bits where you were white-knighting Fox News).
 
2012-02-13 07:46:22 PM

lilplatinum: No, I didn't say anything remotely close to that. No one 'deserves' to be raped, or to be the victim of any crime. (Except maybe rapists who get raped in prison..)


ya know, if someone 'deserved to be raped in prison' then you should make that part of the punishment. man up and make it a law. oh...wait. you can't can you! its considered 'cruel and unusual punishment'.


If someone goes skiing without a helmet and they die when landing on their head they certainly took actions that made that death more likely, it certainly doesn't mean they deserved to farking die.

it certainly removes liability from anyone else. it's that 'actions of someone else' thing that's going to trip you up you know.

We generally have no problem with other crimes looking at it this way, but when you do it in the context of rape all of a sudden you are a rape advocating monster. As said before I had this same conversation with right wingers in a piracy thread a while back - tried to explain WHY somali pirates attack vessels and I got attacked as an "apologist" and "why are you justifying the actions of muslim terrorists".

i'm begining to see why you are no longer working in that law office....

To be fair many times it is taken too far in the media for rape. Idiots who claim that "she dressed provocatively" are just trolling or know nothing as that is not really a significant factor in rape cases. However, alcohol is involved in a large number of rape cases (not to mention all sorts of other crimes and dumb shiat), so discussing it should not all of a sudden make you some sort of rapist rights activist.

so...because (in your view) a victim is always at least partially responsible for BEING a victim, then the perpetrator isn't really accountable for their crimes? or its a mitigating factor anyways. Lets take that concept for a walk, shall we? lets say Sony entertainment corp gets hacked. according to your legal theories, Sony corp is at least partially responsible for having their property pirated and posted on bit torrent because hey - they should have used stronger encryption right? and the hackers should be given lesser sentences because Sony was just walking down the wrong digital alleyway wearing all KINDS of slutty code, begging to get hacked.

sound about right to you?
 
2012-02-13 07:47:36 PM

Genevieve Marie: watson.t.hamster: Not gotten drunk and driven home with a male "acquaintance". Had a female friend drive her home. Call a cab. Wait until she could get home on her own. Carry mace.

There have been cases where cabbies raped women too. Also, would you find it reasonable if you offered to drive home a female acquaintance and she said "No, because I'm afraid you'll rape me"? Should women avoid all situations where they're alone with any man that isn't a close friend or relative?


This was in fact not said by me.



And should women never have drinks because they might get raped?

This was in fact not said by me.


Seriously, you're demanding some pretty ridiculous things of women in the name of us "protecting ourselves".

Technically straw.t.hamster is making those claims. He's a pretty bad fella but also entirely fictitious. Watch out for him though.


Biological Ali: So you're suggesting that the woman could potentially prevent such rapes if she were to incorporate a permanent state of paranoia into her day-to-day life? You're actually making Genevieve Marie's point here, though I'm not sure if you realize it.


Having a ride home is "permanent paranoia"?

Mike Chewbacca:
You expect women to live their lives with one eye behind their backs armed to the teeth just in case a dude tries to rape her.


No, you're thinking of straw.t.hamster. I argued for sensible precautions that will prevent some rapes rather than extreme paranoia to avoid every possible instance of rape. Stop responding to the strawman but addressing it to me.

We're all arguing that the standard should be expecting men to not rape.

Holy shiat! It's that simple? Well heck why don't we just do that.

Also I don't want to lock my doors because people just shouldn't steal or murder. Really if you think about it locking doors is unfair. Why should I take minimum precautions when I would be the victim not the perp?
 
2012-02-13 07:47:38 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Meh. Anybody actually watch the clip? She's saying that the military and the pentagon should have expected an increase in rape cases when more women were put in close proximity with male grunts. I don't know if the statistics support her implication that the 64% increase since 2006 was due to more women serving with men, but she's not blaming the victim. She's saying that the pentagon should have known this would happen.


Because it's totally obvious and understandable that if you put men and women in proximity with each other women should just anticipate rape as a byproduct. They should have expected it, in other words.

To be fair, I understand what you think you're saying, although you're saying it wrong--but that's not what this whore on FAUX News either meant or said, and we both know it. Her implication is clearly that too much money is being spent on these allegations and that this could be avoided by not having women be in a situation where they could be "raped too much"--i.e. by not being in the military around men when they get all rape-y.
 
2012-02-13 07:47:45 PM

Biological Ali: watson.t.hamster: Not gotten drunk and driven home with a male "acquaintance". Had a female friend drive her home. Call a cab. Wait until she could get home on her own. Carry mace.

So you're suggesting that the woman could potentially prevent such rapes if she were to incorporate a permanent state of paranoia into her day-to-day life? You're actually making Genevieve Marie's point here, though I'm not sure if you realize it.


Yup. And he's apparently not ready to recognize that women already have incorporated the permanent paranoia into our day to day lives. Rape still happens.
 
2012-02-13 07:48:27 PM

GoldSpider: If you consider the possibility that "they" could mean the Pentagon or advocates of putting women on the front lines, you have to acknowledge that the quote takes on an entirely different meaning.

But I understand, confirmation bias is much much easier.


FTFA: But while all of this is going on, just a few weeks ago, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta commented on a new Pentagon report on sexual abuse in the military. I think they have actually discovered there is a difference between men and women. And the sexual abuse report says that there has been, since 2006, a 64% increase in violent sexual assaults. Now, what did they expect? These people are in close contact, the whole airing of this issue has never been done by Congress, it's strictly been a question of pressure from the feminist.

And the feminists have also directed them, really, to spend a lot of money. They have sexual counselors all over the place, victims' advocates, sexual response coordinators. ... So, you have this whole bureaucracy upon bureaucracy being built up with all kinds of levels of people to support women in the military who are now being raped too much.


What the fark does that sound like to you? "Raped too much"? Are you farking kidding me? Come on, GoldSpider, give me a farking break.
 
2012-02-13 07:48:32 PM

sparkeyjames: 300 posts and not a peep from the rape Lincoln. Farkers I am disappoint.


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2012-02-13 07:48:34 PM

GoldSpider: If you consider the possibility that "they" could mean the Pentagon or advocates of putting women on the front lines, you have to acknowledge that the quote takes on an entirely different meaning.

But I understand, confirmation bias is much much easier.


If you read it that, she's saying that all men want to rape women, which is just as offensive.
 
2012-02-13 07:50:16 PM

Mike Chewbacca: GoldSpider: If you consider the possibility that "they" could mean the Pentagon or advocates of putting women on the front lines, you have to acknowledge that the quote takes on an entirely different meaning.

But I understand, confirmation bias is much much easier.

If you read it that, she's saying that all men want to rape women, which is just as offensive.


Well, y'know, they shouldn't be walking around being female in public. THAT IS RISKY BEHAVIOR.
 
2012-02-13 07:50:17 PM

GoldSpider: If you consider the possibility that "they" could mean the Pentagon or advocates of putting women on the front lines, you have to acknowledge that the quote takes on an entirely different meaning.

But I understand, confirmation bias is much much easier.


It still means that we should expect our male soldiers to act like sexual predators.
 
2012-02-13 07:51:05 PM
you guys, this really isn't such a big deal. easy solution: we just need to revoke personhood from all women. that way, we can use them as fark-toys, breeding stock, slaves, punching bags, whatever!

And people think that problems are so complex.
 
2012-02-13 07:51:10 PM

watson.t.hamster: Having a ride home is "permanent paranoia"?


Of course not. Permanent paranoia would be resolving that you would never under any circumstances be driven home by a male, even if it's somebody you know.
 
2012-02-13 07:51:28 PM

watson.t.hamster: This was in fact not said by me.


Yes it was. I asked you what the woman in question had done that was stupid when she went out with friends, had drinks, and had a male acquaintance drive her home. You said she was stupid for having drinks at all, and for not having a woman drive her home. Which means that you think it's stupid for a woman to have drinks and you think it's stupid for a woman to drive home alone with a man, and if she does either of those two things, it's possible she's to blame for her own rape.

That's what you said. Own it.
 
2012-02-13 07:52:20 PM

Biological Ali: watson.t.hamster: Having a ride home is "permanent paranoia"?

Of course not. Permanent paranoia would be resolving that you would never under any circumstances be driven home by a male, even if it's somebody you know.


All women should be heavily-armed straight-edgers who never leave their fortified citadels, where they live in small paramilitary squads and sleep in shifts. It's just common sense!
 
2012-02-13 07:52:45 PM

Fart_Machine: It still means that we should expect our male soldiers to act like sexual predators.


If you prefer to believe that some of them aren't, you go right ahead.
 
2012-02-13 07:52:50 PM

Weaver95: so...because (in your view) a victim is always at least partially responsible for BEING a victim, then the perpetrator isn't really accountable for their crimes? or its a mitigating factor anyways. Lets take that concept for a walk, shall we? lets say Sony entertainment corp gets hacked. according to your legal theories, Sony corp is at least partially responsible for having their property pirated and posted on bit torrent because hey - they should have used stronger encryption right? and the hackers should be given lesser sentences because Sony was just walking down the wrong digital alleyway wearing all KINDS of slutty code, begging to get hacked.


Funny. I'm sure in the past I've seen you try to argue that the outdated business models used by studios were to blame for illegal downloading. I must remember this thread for the next time that topic comes up.
 
2012-02-13 07:53:15 PM

Mike Chewbacca: GoldSpider: If you consider the possibility that "they" could mean the Pentagon or advocates of putting women on the front lines, you have to acknowledge that the quote takes on an entirely different meaning.

But I understand, confirmation bias is much much easier.

If you read it that, she's saying that all men want to rape women, which is just as offensive.


no, no - lets keep this theory of 'blaming the victim'. only lets apply it to other crimes as well. i'm particularly interested in how 'blaming the victim' will play out with file trading and the whole RIAA situation. Hey, RIAA had it coming, right? it's RIAA's fault for not doing more to protect their property.
 
2012-02-13 07:53:52 PM

GoldSpider: Fart_Machine: It still means that we should expect our male soldiers to act like sexual predators.

If you prefer to believe that some of them aren't, you go right ahead.


So I assume that male soldiers are also at equal risk for sexual predation.
 
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