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(Think Progress)   In keeping with the Right's War on Women, FoxNews pundit advocates the raping of female members of the military, saying "What did they expect?"   (thinkprogress.org ) divider line
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2012-02-13 06:49:28 PM  

watson.t.hamster: No I'm not.


Yuh-huh. Anyway, it was fun, Bush League. Think about the drool.
 
2012-02-13 06:49:51 PM  

bartink: For some reason, some people are unable to hold two thoughts in their head at the same time: Its wise to be cautious in the world and crimes are the fault of the criminals that commit them. What is so hard about that concept?


What's so hard about that concept is how frequently it's applied to rape and how infrequently rape is a result of being "incautious about the world".

This gets applied to almost every woman who gets raped. Almost every woman who gets raped was just going about her day to day life, which possibly included meeting some friends for a drink or hanging out with a guy that she's interested in/friends with/wanted to get to know better.

Acting like women share the blame with their rapist because their rapist took advantage of them when they were going about their day to day lives is bullshiat.
 
2012-02-13 06:52:02 PM  

watson.t.hamster: Would someone who is not cautious be fairly described as "unwise"?


Of course. But that doesn't mean they share blame when someone victimized them. We aren't talking about getting into a cage with a tiger. When the tiger attacks you, you are to blame for being unwise. But with another human being? Nope, that's on them.
 
2012-02-13 06:52:13 PM  

lilplatinum: Part of the basis of getting drunk and crying rape is that being shiathoused prevents one party from giving sexual consent. The basis for this logic is that when you are intoxicated you lose the decision making capacity that makes you fully accountable for your actions.

Unless you choose to drive drunk....


The fact that you just used the phrase "being drunk and crying rape" should tell anyone with half a brain what they needed to know about you.
 
2012-02-13 06:52:24 PM  

The Numbers: Kome: If we want to talk about the immediate, proximal cause that is responsible for initiating and carrying through with the act of raping a person, then blame lies solely with the rapist and not one iota with the victim.

Not intending to be snarky, genuine question: do you think this also applies in cases of statutory rape where the victim has been deliberately misleading about their age?


Yes. For a couple of reasons. Some are ethical and some are pragmatic, but I'll just list two and we can use those as a springboard to further conversation if you want. The ethical reasons include the responsibility of the individual to make sure your partner is legally eligible to engage in sexual activities with you (this includes not just age but things like mental handicap and so on). The pragmatic reasons include things like establishing legal precedent as a defense. i.e. Just how far should one be legally required to go to satisfy the police/courts? (among the other legal questions that would have to be answered if we open that pandora's box)

Of course, that presumes that kind of statutory rape is at all common enough. I would wager, though I'm not familiar on the statistics of statutory rape, it's not at all that common. And then there's the point that maybe adults shouldn't be trolling for ass around areas where underage people are reasonably expected to be. Also, it presumes I know enough about law to make general statements like that, which I must admit I am assuredly not, so all of the above is my lay-opinion that may not hold up against someone familiar with the law regarding this subject.
 
2012-02-13 06:54:36 PM  

Genevieve Marie: The fact that you just used the phrase "being drunk and crying rape" should tell anyone with half a brain what they needed to know about you.


argumentum ad hominem, truly the cornerstone of any well built logical belief system.
 
2012-02-13 06:54:38 PM  

Look at this cudchewing sack of shiat. She looks half dazed from doing drugs all the time.

i.imgur.com

"What? Rape is inevitable. Especially if you're hot. Not me, I'm so worn out that I don't give a shiat anymore. Herp a derp."

 
2012-02-13 06:54:41 PM  

Leo Bloom's Freakout: Notabunny: Debeo Summa Credo: She's saying that the pentagon should have known this would happen.

The important thing, though, is that nobody should think of blaming the rapists. After all, they were expected to rape.

Ok, so here's what I wonder as the next practical point... I agree that the rapey soldiers are the problem, that's clear. But how do we train teenage boys who are often times experiencing their first time away from home being taught to embrace their most primal and testosterone-fueled instincts to turn that capacity on and off, and to recognize when they're in too deep?

I mean, for most guys this is not a problem, and rape would not cross their minds, but the army recruits a large quantity of people, and the front line grunts, by and large, are not the shining students of America. So how do you on one hand tell the guy who would stack prisoners in a naked pyramid and take pictures of it, who would beat the snot out of a fellow soldier for talking bad about his mama, or would do any other manner of behavior outside the conduct of our armed services.... how do you control him here when it seems we can't control in other outlets of similar behavior? What's the mechanism?

I am not saying that we give up because it's hard, I just don't know how it gets fixed realistically.


Ideally? Decimation of the ranks. Realistically? Drilling the anti-rape concept into their skulls as hard as they drill anything else into the recruits' heads during basic training, with battalion-level public punishment for any transgressor, to include full loss of rank and pay, prison with hard labor and dishonorable discharge, preferably by running a gauntlet out the gates.
 
2012-02-13 06:55:19 PM  
I only raped her once and then only for ten minutes. That wasn't enough rape to count, was it?
 
2012-02-13 06:56:16 PM  

lilplatinum: Genevieve Marie: The fact that you just used the phrase "being drunk and crying rape" should tell anyone with half a brain what they needed to know about you.

argumentum ad hominem, truly the cornerstone of any well built logical belief system.


to be fair, you're entire 'argument' seems to boil down to 'hey, she was ASKING to be raped'.
 
2012-02-13 06:56:55 PM  

Weaver95: lilplatinum: Genevieve Marie: The fact that you just used the phrase "being drunk and crying rape" should tell anyone with half a brain what they needed to know about you.

argumentum ad hominem, truly the cornerstone of any well built logical belief system.

to be fair, you're entire 'argument' seems to boil down to 'hey, she was ASKING to be raped'.


gotdammit...that should have been 'your' not 'you're'. I hate it when I do that.
 
2012-02-13 06:57:13 PM  

lilplatinum: On some level for most crimes this is fairly true, completely random avoidable crime is not the most common type in any scenario. Doesn't mean its okay for the criminals but in hindsight there is usually something you could have done smarter.


Ah, I should've been more clear. I was talking about all that in the context of legal culpability, not simply as an explanatory measure. Just because we could've done something smarter doesn't mean we are held to be legally culpable for being the victim of a crime... except in the cases of rape where that seems to be the legal default position.
 
2012-02-13 06:57:53 PM  

Genevieve Marie: What's so hard about that concept is how frequently it's applied to rape and how infrequently rape is a result of being "incautious about the world".

This gets applied to almost every woman who gets raped. Almost every woman who gets raped was just going about her day to day life, which possibly included meeting some friends for a drink or hanging out with a guy that she's interested in/friends with/wanted to get to know better.

Acting like women share the blame with their rapist because their rapist took advantage of them when they were going about their day to day lives is bullshiat.


Exactly. And most of these precautions that these guys are talking about would only protect you against stranger rape, which is very uncommon.
 
2012-02-13 06:58:00 PM  

lilplatinum: Genevieve Marie: The fact that you just used the phrase "being drunk and crying rape" should tell anyone with half a brain what they needed to know about you.

argumentum ad hominem, truly the cornerstone of any well built logical belief system.


That wasn't an ad hominem argument. I was criticizing your beliefs and the dismissive way you discuss rape.
 
2012-02-13 06:59:30 PM  

Weaver95: lilplatinum: Genevieve Marie: The fact that you just used the phrase "being drunk and crying rape" should tell anyone with half a brain what they needed to know about you.

argumentum ad hominem, truly the cornerstone of any well built logical belief system.

to be fair, you're entire 'argument' seems to boil down to 'hey, she was ASKING to be raped'.


Except it wasn't remotely that, nor was it specifically applied to rape victims. After having worked for a criminal defense lawyer I am fully convinced that most victims of crimes bear some responsibility of what happened, insofar as they could have done something smarter to avoid it. It doesn't somehow exculpate the assailants, which seems to be the argument that people who are passionate about this issue seem to think.

Its like having the same argument with right wing foreign policy nutters, if you try to analyze why Terrorists want to blow up our shiat you have fundies sitting here telling you "Why are you making excuses for people who are just evil".

Its an over-emotional way to analyze an issue and by criticizing people who look at underlying causes as being apologetic you actively restrict the kind of analytical thought that can allow one to understand and address said causes.
 
2012-02-13 07:01:40 PM  

Genevieve Marie: That wasn't an ad hominem argument. I was criticizing your beliefs and the dismissive way you discuss rape.


Actually you were dismissing my entire argument because I used an insensitive phrase on fark.

Kome: lilplatinum: On some level for most crimes this is fairly true, completely random avoidable crime is not the most common type in any scenario. Doesn't mean its okay for the criminals but in hindsight there is usually something you could have done smarter.

Ah, I should've been more clear. I was talking about all that in the context of legal culpability, not simply as an explanatory measure. Just because we could've done something smarter doesn't mean we are held to be legally culpable for being the victim of a crime... except in the cases of rape where that seems to be the legal default position.


Oh I agree the victims action should be irrelevant to legal culpability, and I think its an overexageration to say it is the default legal position in rape cases. It is certainly more common in the media and culture to play blame the victim, but its harder than that in the actual courtroom.
 
2012-02-13 07:01:42 PM  

watson.t.hamster: Genevieve Marie: Kazrath: Often times there is plenty of blame to go around. If you dress in a provocative way, make unsafe, or even bad decisions, you are more likely to have an undesired outcome. Rape is bad, that why we have laws making it illegal. Women making stupid choices definitely contributes to them being raped. Be aware of your surroundings, don't use drugs / drink when not with people you 100% trust, don't go to seedy places and your odds of getting raped drop significantly.

You're bad and you should feel bad about yourself.

Women's clothing does not cause rape. Their drinking does not cause rape. Their drug use does not cause rape. THEY GET RAPED BECAUSE SOMEONE RAPED THEM.

If a guy with a nice house gets robbed are you all "Oh too bad your house was so nice, it was totally asking for it?"

Er, actually for most other crimes we do tend to blame the victim if they did anything egregious that increased the chances of it happening.

Leave your front door unlocked and get robbed? What did you think would happen?

Leave your nice car in the ghetto and it gets stolen? What did you think would happen?

Wore a suit made out of hundred dollar bills and you got robbed? What did you think would happen?

Found some skinheads in a dark alley and told them they looked gay and you got your ass beat? What did you think would happen?

Got in a car with an obviously intoxicated Kennedy and now you're dead in a lake? What did you think would happen?

Got drunk, passed out a frat party after making out with every guy there and getting them to buy you beer by telling them how horny you were and you were raped? There was literally nothing you could have done to prevent that.

/it's not blaming the victim necessarily to say certain things increase your odds of being victimized.
//and we have no problem doing that for just about every other kind of victim.


WTF is wrong with you and is that how you think all rapes happen? Especially in the military? Regardless, blaming the victim isn't ok in any situation and the bottom-line is that women shouldn't have to constantly be looking over their shoulder or limiting their day-to-day activities because farkwads don't have any respect/self-control/dignity. I worry for you daughters if you have any (hopefully, you don't).

30.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-02-13 07:02:06 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: So I take that as a "No, I've never actually talked to a victim of rape, it might negatively effect my ability to feel superior to them."


It's true, I've clearly stated that rape victims are awful and deserve exactly what they had coming, they are scum and their attackers should be set free (even given a parade).

It's weird that some glitch in the system completely edited out those parts and replaced them with the exact opposite of all that.

/this is what you people actually believe.
 
2012-02-13 07:02:52 PM  

Genevieve Marie: lilplatinum: Genevieve Marie: The fact that you just used the phrase "being drunk and crying rape" should tell anyone with half a brain what they needed to know about you.

argumentum ad hominem, truly the cornerstone of any well built logical belief system.

That wasn't an ad hominem argument. I was criticizing your beliefs and the dismissive way you discuss rape.


well, to be honest, her mother dresses her funny too
 
2012-02-13 07:03:33 PM  

bartink: Exactly. And most of these precautions that these guys are talking about would only protect you against stranger rape, which is very uncommon.


Yup, exactly.

It gets brought up in every discussion about rape ever, like women don't already know this and they're imparting some magical wonderful wisdom upon us. Do these guys really not know how ingrained this stuff is on women in this country? I guarantee you can ask any woman in this country what she does to protect herself from rape and she'll have answers. If that was enough, this would have ceased to be a problem by now.
 
2012-02-13 07:04:07 PM  
Sounds less "war on women" and more "our soldiers are not only bloodthirsty maniacs but also sexually depraved rapists who can't be trusted around women". True as the accusations may be (after all, rent-a-cops and soldiers both come from the same place of wanting to hurt other people while power tripping), doesn't this mean she hates the troops?
 
2012-02-13 07:04:23 PM  

YouAreItNoTagBacks: WTF is wrong with you and is that how you think all rapes happen? Especially in the military? Regardless, blaming the victim isn't ok in any situation and the bottom-line is that women shouldn't have to constantly be looking over their shoulder or limiting their day-to-day activities because farkwads don't have any respect/self-control/dignity. I worry for you daughters if you have any (hopefully, you don't).


what really creeps me out about that poster is that we actually NEED that poster. FFS.
seriously, I didnt need to be told any of those things. it was kind of obvious.

sigh
 
2012-02-13 07:04:38 PM  
ya can bet that Jon Stewart will have a field day with this. I kinda doubt the politicians, FauxNews & military won't like this eh.
 
2012-02-13 07:05:11 PM  
Pundit: Here are absolute facts.

Liberals: YOU MONSTER! YOU MONSTER! We'll just scream this because addressing the real issue would make us look foolish!

Facts are facts.
 
2012-02-13 07:05:48 PM  
me and these other guys one time raped sarah palin in effigy. one of the guys had a blowup doll with lipstick and a wig and i probably never would have done it if i hadn't been drinking.
 
2012-02-13 07:06:16 PM  

YouAreItNoTagBacks: watson.t.hamster: Genevieve Marie: Kazrath: Often times there is plenty of blame to go around. If you dress in a provocative way, make unsafe, or even bad decisions, you are more likely to have an undesired outcome. Rape is bad, that why we have laws making it illegal. Women making stupid choices definitely contributes to them being raped. Be aware of your surroundings, don't use drugs / drink when not with people you 100% trust, don't go to seedy places and your odds of getting raped drop significantly.

You're bad and you should feel bad about yourself.

Women's clothing does not cause rape. Their drinking does not cause rape. Their drug use does not cause rape. THEY GET RAPED BECAUSE SOMEONE RAPED THEM.

If a guy with a nice house gets robbed are you all "Oh too bad your house was so nice, it was totally asking for it?"

Er, actually for most other crimes we do tend to blame the victim if they did anything egregious that increased the chances of it happening.

Leave your front door unlocked and get robbed? What did you think would happen?

Leave your nice car in the ghetto and it gets stolen? What did you think would happen?

Wore a suit made out of hundred dollar bills and you got robbed? What did you think would happen?

Found some skinheads in a dark alley and told them they looked gay and you got your ass beat? What did you think would happen?

Got in a car with an obviously intoxicated Kennedy and now you're dead in a lake? What did you think would happen?

Got drunk, passed out a frat party after making out with every guy there and getting them to buy you beer by telling them how horny you were and you were raped? There was literally nothing you could have done to prevent that.

/it's not blaming the victim necessarily to say certain things increase your odds of being victimized.
//and we have no problem doing that for just about every other kind of victim.

WTF is wrong with you and is that how you think all rapes happen? Especially in the military? Rega ...


/I know I shouldn't feed this troll
 
2012-02-13 07:07:18 PM  

munko: the truth hurts, but the statistics on sex abuse in the military seem to back up this story. i didn't study them completely but it looks like as more women enter the military and get sent to places they've not been allowed in the past, the abuse goes up. also, i don't think the guys that are abused would mention it to anybody.


You would be surprised how few homeless people are the victims of grand larceny. By encouraging these people to find residences and gainful employment, we're only turning them into potential victims.
 
2012-02-13 07:07:19 PM  
I wonder what would have happened if a liberal commentator made the statement that we should expect rapes because male soldiers are obvious sexual predators.

Because that is exactly what this old hag is saying.

Support our Troops indeed.
 
2012-02-13 07:07:46 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Are folks on the right really that delusion about what the majority of America thinks? Or do they just don't care?


To be honest, their views on American citizens is very similar to most political people you'll meet: the majority of Americans are dumb, the not-dumb Americans think like them, and the not-dumb Americans who don't think like them are brainwashed by the other party.

The only difference is they have a fourth category, which is the American minorities who are trying to take over their country, delude their children into sin, and make everyone feel bad for loving Jesus.
 
2012-02-13 07:08:38 PM  

namatad: YouAreItNoTagBacks: WTF is wrong with you and is that how you think all rapes happen? Especially in the military? Regardless, blaming the victim isn't ok in any situation and the bottom-line is that women shouldn't have to constantly be looking over their shoulder or limiting their day-to-day activities because farkwads don't have any respect/self-control/dignity. I worry for you daughters if you have any (hopefully, you don't).

what really creeps me out about that poster is that we actually NEED that poster. FFS.
seriously, I didnt need to be told any of those things. it was kind of obvious.

sigh


Agreed. Sadly, some comments in this thread are proof that we do need it.
 
2012-02-13 07:10:59 PM  

Shaggy_C: Sounds less "war on women" and more "our soldiers are not only bloodthirsty maniacs but also sexually depraved rapists who can't be trusted around women". True as the accusations may be (after all, rent-a-cops and soldiers both come from the same place of wanting to hurt other people while power tripping), doesn't this mean she hates the troops?


so here is an interesting question:
in the OLD DAYS, there were camp followers, which included whores.
the soldiers got laid on payday, the followers provided other services, and the locals probably got raped less. Esp if the army frowned on that kind of behavior.

why have we stopped providing this service? or at least allowing camp followers. I know that we have them outside our bases back in the states. yes, yes, I know the religious nuts, blah blah blah blah, but from a realistic point of view, why not??

are there any national armies which still have camp followers??
 
2012-02-13 07:11:28 PM  

bartink: watson.t.hamster: Would someone who is not cautious be fairly described as "unwise"?

Of course. But that doesn't mean they share blame when someone victimized them. We aren't talking about getting into a cage with a tiger. When the tiger attacks you, you are to blame for being unwise. But with another human being? Nope, that's on them.



So you're saying if someone makes a poor decision and gets raped it's not their fault (rather it is the attacker) but they were unwise?

In other words exactly what I've been saying.

Clearly there is an outrage here somewhere.


YouAreItNoTagBacks: WTF is wrong with you and is that how you think all rapes happen?


Yes clearly I said that's how all rapes occur. Don't let the lack of any actual quotes from me deter you, I said it even though I never did. That is not in anyway sarcasm. I am literally capable of saying things I never said even though that sounds weird. Literally.

Especially in the military?

The comment I was referring to dealt with getting drunk around strangers, not the military. Context, how does it work?

Regardless, blaming the victim isn't ok in any situation and the bottom-line is that women shouldn't have to constantly be looking over their shoulder or limiting their day-to-day activities because farkwads don't have any respect/self-control/dignity.

Damn, I was just about to type out "blaming the victim is ok in every situation and the bottom-line is that women should have to constantly be looking over their shoulder or limiting their day-to-day activities because farkwads don't have any respect/self-control/dignity" which would totally have prevented that from being a pointless strawman argument.

I worry for you daughters if you have any (hopefully, you don't).

A clear point that must not be missed here is that you and your ilk must misrepresent what I have said. It's not that it makes your argument stronger or easier or anything. No you literally have to lie about what I've actually said because otherwise your argument is based around nothing and you're left with nothing but hysterics.

That's a pretty bad sign don't you think? You'll notice that I've exactly quoted you and responded to what you've actually said (albeit sarcastically at times). If you could have the decency to do the same and lay off the strawman for a while that would be great.

.
 
2012-02-13 07:12:38 PM  
Auntie Tom biatch
 
2012-02-13 07:13:01 PM  

davemelnick: ya can bet that Jon Stewart will have a field day with this. I kinda doubt the politicians, FauxNews & military won't like this eh.


is the Daily Show on vacataion? All the really horrible stuff comes out when Jon's on vacation.
 
2012-02-13 07:13:22 PM  
I don't know what's more bewildering, the insanity in TFA or the subhuman trash ITT defending it. Are there no depths to which conservatives won't sink?
 
2012-02-13 07:15:05 PM  
There will be no apology issued for this. The fascist scum will continue to be a "contributor" to Fox News. And the Republicans continue to creep out to the extreme right wing and pull the country with them.
 
2012-02-13 07:15:24 PM  

watson.t.hamster: The comment I was referring to dealt with getting drunk around strangers, not the military. Context, how does it work?


So if she'd gotten drunk around friends and gotten raped by the acquaintance who offered to drive her home, would you still consider her actions stupid?

Because statistically, it's more likely to happen that way.
 
2012-02-13 07:15:36 PM  

Ambivalence: davemelnick: ya can bet that Jon Stewart will have a field day with this. I kinda doubt the politicians, FauxNews & military won't like this eh.

is the Daily Show on vacataion? All the really horrible stuff comes out when Jon's on vacation.


I think he comes back tonight. He's got a lot of catching up to do with the whole Obama/birth control thing and the whole SGK fiasco.
 
2012-02-13 07:15:47 PM  

Genevieve Marie: lilplatinum: Genevieve Marie: The fact that you just used the phrase "being drunk and crying rape" should tell anyone with half a brain what they needed to know about you.

argumentum ad hominem, truly the cornerstone of any well built logical belief system.

That wasn't an ad hominem argument. I was criticizing your beliefs and the dismissive way you discuss rape.


That actually was ad hominem.

Flesh out the statement. What, specifically, should anyone with half a brain know about him?
 
2012-02-13 07:17:06 PM  

Rent Party: Genevieve Marie: lilplatinum: Genevieve Marie: The fact that you just used the phrase "being drunk and crying rape" should tell anyone with half a brain what they needed to know about you.

argumentum ad hominem, truly the cornerstone of any well built logical belief system.

That wasn't an ad hominem argument. I was criticizing your beliefs and the dismissive way you discuss rape.

That actually was ad hominem.

Flesh out the statement. What, specifically, should anyone with half a brain know about him?


That he's a douchebag rape apologist?
 
2012-02-13 07:18:22 PM  

thamike: watson.t.hamster: No I'm not.

Yuh-huh. Anyway, it was fun, Bush League. Think about the drool.


Did Mr. Ailes make you retarded?

He can do that you know.
 
2012-02-13 07:18:36 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Rent Party: Genevieve Marie: lilplatinum: Genevieve Marie: The fact that you just used the phrase "being drunk and crying rape" should tell anyone with half a brain what they needed to know about you.

argumentum ad hominem, truly the cornerstone of any well built logical belief system.

That wasn't an ad hominem argument. I was criticizing your beliefs and the dismissive way you discuss rape.

That actually was ad hominem.

Flesh out the statement. What, specifically, should anyone with half a brain know about him?

That he's a douchebag rape apologist?


throw in: if you had read the thread, you would know the context of the conversation ...
 
2012-02-13 07:18:54 PM  

mpirooz: I'm so confused now.


You've got people misrepresenting the indefensible she said and other people using that misrepresentation as a defense for the indefensible thing she said, so I can see why
 
2012-02-13 07:19:49 PM  

Diogenes: This woman is a witch. She also wished then-Senator Obama to be assassinated.


Yet she continues to appear on Fox News regularly... because after all, their audience agrees with this stuff and approves of it.
 
2012-02-13 07:20:31 PM  

Genevieve Marie: watson.t.hamster: The comment I was referring to dealt with getting drunk around strangers, not the military. Context, how does it work?

So if she'd gotten drunk around friends and gotten raped by the acquaintance who offered to drive her home, would you still consider her actions stupid?

Because statistically, it's more likely to happen that way.


Yeah that's pretty dumb.

And the funny thing is I can say that even though that decision was unwise it is still the perps fault entirely and he should go to jail and no one deserves to be raped and so on and you will still come back with "so you're saying she deserved to be raped?!??! You're sick . . ." Or some variant thereof.

Don't believe me? Just watch . . .
 
2012-02-13 07:21:11 PM  

Edsel: Diogenes: This woman is a witch. She also wished then-Senator Obama to be assassinated.

Yet she continues to appear on Fox News regularly... because after all, their audience agrees with this stuff and approves of it.


this this and more this
 
2012-02-13 07:22:20 PM  
Not going to read the whole thread to see if this has been covered yet, but...

Maybe if they let the chicks carry guns, there would be less rape. Maybe more "friendly fire" incidents, but less rape.

Just sayin'

/yeah, I said "rape" twice
 
2012-02-13 07:23:47 PM  
I . . .I thought the headline would be misleading.

Holy f*cking sh*t.
 
2012-02-13 07:24:52 PM  

watson.t.hamster: Genevieve Marie: watson.t.hamster: The comment I was referring to dealt with getting drunk around strangers, not the military. Context, how does it work?

So if she'd gotten drunk around friends and gotten raped by the acquaintance who offered to drive her home, would you still consider her actions stupid?

Because statistically, it's more likely to happen that way.

Yeah that's pretty dumb.

And the funny thing is I can say that even though that decision was unwise it is still the perps fault entirely and he should go to jail and no one deserves to be raped and so on and you will still come back with "so you're saying she deserved to be raped?!??! You're sick . . ." Or some variant thereof.

Don't believe me? Just watch . . .


No, I'm asking you what specifically she did that was dumb in that scenario. She went out with friends. She had drinks. She had a guy she'd met before and knew drive her home. She still got raped.

What exactly should the woman in that scenario done? Not met friends? Not had drinks? Not been alone with a guy?

Because it's pretty damn absurd to act like a woman is dumb for participating in normal human activities and going about her day to day life.
 
2012-02-13 07:25:34 PM  

watson.t.hamster: Genevieve Marie: watson.t.hamster: The comment I was referring to dealt with getting drunk around strangers, not the military. Context, how does it work?

So if she'd gotten drunk around friends and gotten raped by the acquaintance who offered to drive her home, would you still consider her actions stupid?

Because statistically, it's more likely to happen that way.

Yeah that's pretty dumb.

And the funny thing is I can say that even though that decision was unwise it is still the perps fault entirely and he should go to jail and no one deserves to be raped and so on and you will still come back with "so you're saying she deserved to be raped?!??! You're sick . . ." Or some variant thereof.

Don't believe me? Just watch . . .


Continue to minimize responsibility on the perpetrating party and offload as much as you think you can get away with on the victim, and you will continue to be called out for minimizing responsibility of the perpetrating party and offloading as much as you think you can get away with on the victim. The fact that you have spent this entire thread groping around for ways to put as much blame as possible on rape victims while playing this bullshiat "But I agree with you, I just have concerns" game just makes you a bigger piece of shiat than straight up rape apologists, because it means you farking know better.
 
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