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(Think Progress)   In keeping with the Right's War on Women, FoxNews pundit advocates the raping of female members of the military, saying "What did they expect?"   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 1120
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2012-02-13 06:07:27 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Sure it does. She's complaining that the Pentagon put these women in with men, some of them predictably get raped, and now the Pentagon has to deal with the inevitable consequences, including increased costs, of their decision to put the women with the men! If it weren't for the decision in the first place there wouldnt be the need for so much rape counseling expense.

/that's it, I'm out of here. I've defended this horrible woman enough. You guys have plenty of opportunity to be outraged/amused by awful/ridiculous things said by right wingers every day. No need to deliberately misunderstand what they are saying, like you are on this topic.


So then she's not blaming the Pentagon for not expecting the rapes, she's blaming the decision to treat women with equality and to care for their needs?
 
2012-02-13 06:08:14 PM

Mike Chewbacca: o of the 3,158 sexual crimes reported, only 104 convictions were made. That's a whopping 3% conviction rate. And that's excluding the 19,000 UNREPORTED rapes that year. When you fail to punish the offenders, of COURSE the rapes are going to keep happening.


If... If they are unreported... how do you know unless you did ... oh god.

I need an Adult.
 
2012-02-13 06:08:28 PM
The sad/scary thing isn't just what this nutcase said. It's the drooling trailertrash goobers watching at home, furrowing their unibrows at the screen, yelling "HELL YUH! THAT'S WHUT AHM TALKIN' BOUT! RAPE DEM B*TCHES! YEEHAW!!".
 
2012-02-13 06:08:53 PM

BuckTurgidson: You don't have to have women in combat or close to combat, rapists are perfectly happy to rape nurses, doctors, support troops, and civilian staff.

Perhaps the increase in rapeyness has more to do with extended, repeated tours and untreated stress-related mental illness?


and the lack of training, supervision and proper treatment of rapists and reported rapists.
sucks to be you dude, but you either raped the soldier or put your dick in crazy, either way she reported your rape.

these people are actually against the military dealing properly with rape???? WTF!@~!@!@!#!#!#!#
 
2012-02-13 06:08:55 PM
Wish I could say I'm surprised. I'm not.
 
2012-02-13 06:08:55 PM

Cletus C.: My sensibilities have been over raped.


But were they rape raped or just raped?
 
2012-02-13 06:10:07 PM

namatad: 1) thank you for continuing to try and fight the good fight and educate. but I wonder. is it to late for a poster on fark? they are either a troll or believe what they said. shudder.


Every now and again, one of them figures it out.

Plus... I mean, the alternative is to just leave those views unchallenged, and that's more frustrating actually.
 
2012-02-13 06:10:10 PM

contrapunctus: Debeo Summa Credo:
So she didn't say she blamed rape victims for being raped, but because she works for Fox news we can assume she thinks they should be blamed? Wow.

"What did they expect?"

"What did they expect?"

"What did they expect?"

That's blaming the victim. End of story. Notwithstanding the repugnant nature of this statement all on its own, I was making the point that EVERYTHING Liz Trotta says is in service to the right-wing agenda, not logical discourse.


Only if "they" referred to the victims. It seems obvious from her statement (the full one, not the 4 word snip taken out of context) that she was referring to the pentagon, particularly to a study they had done finding rapes were increasing as more women served.
 
2012-02-13 06:10:10 PM
From Ms. Foot-In-Mouth's wiki page
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On 25 May 2008, Trotta expressed on Fox News an apparent desire that presidential candidate Barack Obama be assassinated prior to the 2008 United States presidential election.[4][5][6] While speaking about Hillary Rodham Clinton's reference[7][8] to Robert F. Kennedy's assassination, Trotta said:

" ... and now we have what some are reading as a suggestion that somebody knock off Osama. Um, uh, Obama. Well, both, which we could.[9] "

Trotta apologized the next day.[10]
 
2012-02-13 06:10:25 PM
How can you tell when you've been raped 'too much'? is that even a measurable standard?
 
2012-02-13 06:10:28 PM

Raharu: I need an Adult.


Every adult you trust will just rape you.
 
2012-02-13 06:10:41 PM

The Numbers: Yes it is, just look at the context of the remarks. And if your position was that you wanted to argue against women being included in the military at all it makes sense to criticize the Pentagon for not expecting an increase in the number of rapes and that they don't have good programs in place to deal with rape.


You have her backwards. She's not complaining that they don't have good programs in place to deal with rape, she's complaining that they do have good programs in place to deal with rape.

And the feminists have also directed them, really, to spend a lot of money. They have sexual counselors all over the place, victims' advocates, sexual response coordinators. ... So, you have this whole bureaucracy upon bureaucracy being built up with all kinds of levels of people to support women in the military who are now being raped too much.
 
2012-02-13 06:10:42 PM
you know .... I know a couple men and a woman in the military.
they make me proud that I am their friend. they are the best even when they are mediocre. they are doing what it takes.
Maybe this woman needs to spend a few months on the front lines.
Why cant we start drafting old people??
 
2012-02-13 06:11:07 PM

gadian: Raharu: I need an Adult.

Every adult you trust will just rape you.


But only if they're in the military, apparently.
 
2012-02-13 06:11:42 PM

contrapunctus: watson.t.hamster:

What's your particular beef with them?

Chief among them is the fact that Roger Ailes (a notoriously vicious Republican operative) helms the wheel of a broadcasting outfit that purports to present objective news when, in fact, it only serves to further an agenda that benefits the very group of people who have managed to decimate this country's middle class.


So because of Roger Ailes this woman in fact said something that she did not say.

Got it.
 
2012-02-13 06:11:56 PM

namatad: Why cant we start drafting old people??


we can just strap them to the outside of our tanks and use them as a sort of body armor.
 
2012-02-13 06:12:21 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: She's complaining that the Pentagon put these women in with men, some of them predictably get raped, and now the Pentagon has to deal with the inevitable consequences, including increased costs, of their decision to put the women with the men! If it weren't for the decision in the first place there wouldnt be the need for so much rape counseling expense.


And again, this is the point I keep making about the right-wing operating in a cultural vacuum from 200 years ago. Whether or not women should be allowed to serve in the military was something that was decided a while ago; the fact that the decision itself it somehow up for debate in the minds of Fox commentators underscores how backwards their basis of thinking is.

In other words, even having a debate about whether or not slavery is wrong is repulsive in and of itself because it creates a false sense of equivalence between the two sides of the issue.

You know, sort of like that stupidity of creationism and evolution being able to share stage space.
 
2012-02-13 06:12:57 PM

Weaver95: gadian: Raharu: I need an Adult.

Every adult you trust will just rape you.

But only if they're in the military, apparently.


Or if they're ministers, camp counselors, family, educators, coaches, law enforcement personnel, friends of family, siblings, the creepy dude that lives down the street, or a squirrel with malicious intent.
 
2012-02-13 06:13:22 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Debeo Summa Credo: Sure it does. She's complaining that the Pentagon put these women in with men, some of them predictably get raped, and now the Pentagon has to deal with the inevitable consequences, including increased costs, of their decision to put the women with the men! If it weren't for the decision in the first place there wouldnt be the need for so much rape counseling expense.

/that's it, I'm out of here. I've defended this horrible woman enough. You guys have plenty of opportunity to be outraged/amused by awful/ridiculous things said by right wingers every day. No need to deliberately misunderstand what they are saying, like you are on this topic.

So then she's not blaming the Pentagon for not expecting the rapes, she's blaming the decision to treat women with equality and to care for their needs?


Yup. Because apparently, we shouldn't even try for equality, because it's too much of a hassle. We should punish women by limiting their job options because they have the audacity to get raped and report it sometimes.

Really, this is pretty indefensible.
 
2012-02-13 06:13:38 PM

Kazrath: Often times there is plenty of blame to go around. If you dress in a provocative way, make unsafe, or even bad decisions, you are more likely to have an undesired outcome. Rape is bad, that why we have laws making it illegal. Women making stupid choices definitely contributes to them being raped. Be aware of your surroundings, don't use drugs / drink when not with people you 100% trust, don't go to seedy places and your odds of getting raped drop significantly.


Women share in the blame of their rape with the rapist? While I will teach my daughter lots of ways to prevent her from being raped, there is never any blame to be had by the victim of rape. Why is it you never see this kind of pants on head retarded logic with any other crimes, except for this one? Oh yeah, because men like you are idiots.

I hope you never have any girls.
 
2012-02-13 06:13:41 PM
Rape. How much is too much?

/I know it's been covered.
 
2012-02-13 06:14:03 PM

Weaver95: How can you tell when you've been raped 'too much'? is that even a measurable standard?


Does she still talk back? Then she has not been raped enough.

/sarcasm, just for the record
 
2012-02-13 06:14:05 PM
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2012-02-13 06:14:36 PM

Genevieve Marie: Really, this is pretty indefensible.


And yet, here we see GOP shills defending it.

interesting, is it not?
 
2012-02-13 06:15:00 PM

Genevieve Marie: namatad: 1) thank you for continuing to try and fight the good fight and educate. but I wonder. is it to late for a poster on fark? they are either a troll or believe what they said. shudder.

Every now and again, one of them figures it out.

Plus... I mean, the alternative is to just leave those views unchallenged, and that's more frustrating actually.


If we say nothing, if we let them think that they are right or it is ok to say and think those thoughts, then they will be right. Shunning only works if you let them know that they are being shunned.

we need a fark favorite/ignore meta site.
where you can voluntarily see how many people like and dislike you. Where you can see other people who have similar profiles. almost like a fark dating site.

to be honest, if I saw that 100 favorited and 100 ignored, I would be, meh, ok, no need to change.
but if it where 0 and 1000 ignored, might get me to tone my ranks down a TINY bit ...

FINE we wont kill the biatch or wish rape rape on her, we will just beat her senseless.
sigh
maybe a letter campaign to the fcc? like that ever gets anything done.
 
2012-02-13 06:15:18 PM

watson.t.hamster:

Only if "they" referred to the victims. It seems obvious from her statement (the full one, not the 4 word snip taken out of context) that she was referring to the pentagon, particularly to a study they had done finding rapes were increasing as more women served.


Wrong.

She was blaming the decision to allow women to serve in the first place, which is why her commentary (like clockwork) started with the usual laundry list of Republican 'culture warrior' grievances.

You are wrong.
 
2012-02-13 06:15:24 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: The Numbers: Yes it is, just look at the context of the remarks. And if your position was that you wanted to argue against women being included in the military at all it makes sense to criticize the Pentagon for not expecting an increase in the number of rapes and that they don't have good programs in place to deal with rape.

You have her backwards. She's not complaining that they don't have good programs in place to deal with rape, she's complaining that they do have good programs in place to deal with rape.

And the feminists have also directed them, really, to spend a lot of money. They have sexual counselors all over the place, victims' advocates, sexual response coordinators. ... So, you have this whole bureaucracy upon bureaucracy being built up with all kinds of levels of people to support women in the military who are now being raped too much.


You and I might consider those are good things, but does it sound like she thinks they are?
 
2012-02-13 06:15:26 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: You have her backwards. She's not complaining that they don't have good programs in place to deal with rape, she's complaining that they do have good programs in place to deal with rape.

And the feminists have also directed them, really, to spend a lot of money. They have sexual counselors all over the place, victims' advocates, sexual response coordinators. ... So, you have this whole bureaucracy upon bureaucracy being built up with all kinds of levels of people to support women in the military who are now being raped too much.


I'm surprised she doesn't just come out and suggest burkas. WTF is wrong with these people?
 
2012-02-13 06:15:41 PM

Weaver95: How can you tell when you've been raped 'too much'?


When Mike Tyson tells you to get out.

/too soon?
 
2012-02-13 06:15:53 PM

watson.t.hamster: contrapunctus: Debeo Summa Credo:
So she didn't say she blamed rape victims for being raped, but because she works for Fox news we can assume she thinks they should be blamed? Wow.

"What did they expect?"

"What did they expect?"

"What did they expect?"

That's blaming the victim. End of story. Notwithstanding the repugnant nature of this statement all on its own, I was making the point that EVERYTHING Liz Trotta says is in service to the right-wing agenda, not logical discourse.

Only if "they" referred to the victims. It seems obvious from her statement (the full one, not the 4 word snip taken out of context) that she was referring to the pentagon, particularly to a study they had done finding rapes were increasing as more women served.


Let's assume she was referring to the Pentagon. She's specifically saying the Pentagon should have expected that there would be a 64% increase in the rate of violent sexual assaults since 2006. Because why?
 
2012-02-13 06:16:02 PM

Genevieve Marie: If a guy gets drunk and someone rapes him, do you treat it like a logical outcome of what happens when you drink too much? Do you not drink because if you do, you're totally putting yourself in a position to get raped?


If anyone gets drunk enough that they loose control and bad shiat happens to them they certainly raised the chances of bad things happening to them. It doesn't excuse the person who commits the crime but it certainly should not be taboo to suggest that people watch out for themselves in any situation despite the fact in a perfect universe they shouldn't have to.

I hate how even suggesting that one has to take some responsibility for their safety is somehow seen as 'justifying rape'. When I got blind stinking drunk and made the dumb decision of walking through the ghetto and getting myself mugged, I certainly should have made a better choice for my safety and I can say that without somehow making it 'okay' that some scumbags jumped me.
 
2012-02-13 06:16:08 PM

Weaver95: namatad: Why cant we start drafting old people??

we can just strap them to the outside of our tanks and use them as a sort of body armor.


ok
this just made my day.
 
2012-02-13 06:16:50 PM

Weaver95: How can you tell when you've been raped 'too much'? is that even a measurable standard?


One of the important things one remains aware of during a rape is hydration. If you notice chafing, you should request your attacker pause momentarily and hydrate from your canteen. On yellow flag (or higher) rape days, five minutes of break must be made available for every hour of rape. On black flag days, roofies must be used prior to rape to reduce the effort of all parties involved and mitigate the chance of heatstroke.
 
2012-02-13 06:17:05 PM

thamike: Weaver95: How can you tell when you've been raped 'too much'?

When Mike Tyson tells you to get out.

/too soon?


didn't Tyson once tell someone 'i'm gonna f*ck you till you love me' or something along those lines? or was that just an internet rumor?
 
2012-02-13 06:17:39 PM

The Numbers: Philip Francis Queeg: The Numbers: Yes it is, just look at the context of the remarks. And if your position was that you wanted to argue against women being included in the military at all it makes sense to criticize the Pentagon for not expecting an increase in the number of rapes and that they don't have good programs in place to deal with rape.

You have her backwards. She's not complaining that they don't have good programs in place to deal with rape, she's complaining that they do have good programs in place to deal with rape.

And the feminists have also directed them, really, to spend a lot of money. They have sexual counselors all over the place, victims' advocates, sexual response coordinators. ... So, you have this whole bureaucracy upon bureaucracy being built up with all kinds of levels of people to support women in the military who are now being raped too much.

You and I might consider those are good things, but does it sound like she thinks they are?


No she clearly does not think that programs to support victims of rape in the military are a good thing.

That's part of what makes her the loathsome excuse for a human she is.
 
2012-02-13 06:18:50 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Kome: Mike Chewbacca: Actually, wikipedia links to three different sources who support that hypothesis.

Oh? I must be having trouble locating them since I'm not seeing that. Could you link me to them, please?

It's a pretty short article, but I'll copy the relevant sentence and the most relevant link

Several studies argue that male-male prisoner rape, as well as female-female prisoner rape, might be the most common and least-reported forms of rape, with some studies suggesting such rapes are substantially more common in both per-capita and raw-number totals than male-female rapes in the general population."

Link 1 (new window) "Human Rights Watch No Escape: Male Rape In U.S. Prisons. Part VII. Anomaly or Epidemic: The Incidence of Prisoner-on-Prisoner Rape.; estimates that 100,000-140,000 violent male-male rapes occur in U.S. prisons annually; compare with FBI statistics that estimated 90,000 violent male-female rapes occur annually."


I'm not finding that passage in your link. Perhaps you linked to a different study than you're quoting? If not, then my ctrl+f function doesn't seem to want to work properly for that page and I apologize for that.

Also, are they talking about the number of victims or the number of rapes? Because I can easily imagine that in prison the number of times raped for a victim would be higher than the number of times raped for victims outside of prison, for a variety of reasons (e.g. smaller population, easier access, and limited means to escape in prison). If they are talking about the number of rapes as opposed to the number of victims, then I think my original point still stands since I was originally talking about the number of people raped and not the number of times they were raped.
 
2012-02-13 06:19:47 PM

someonelse: Let's assume she was referring to the Pentagon. She's specifically saying the Pentagon should have expected that there would be a 64% increase in the rate of violent sexual assaults since 2006. Because why?


It was the year Liz Trotta first shat out an entire chicken drumstick.
 
2012-02-13 06:20:22 PM

Genevieve Marie: Yup. Because apparently, we shouldn't even try for equality, because it's too much of a hassle. We should punish women by limiting their job options because they have the audacity to get raped and report it sometimes.

Really, this is pretty indefensible.



That's true. But 'women shouldn't be allowed to serve' is a much different position to 'women should expect to get raped', which was the incorrect first allegation.

/Again, not agreeing with her, just saying.
 
2012-02-13 06:20:38 PM

Genevieve Marie: Kazrath: Often times there is plenty of blame to go around. If you dress in a provocative way, make unsafe, or even bad decisions, you are more likely to have an undesired outcome. Rape is bad, that why we have laws making it illegal. Women making stupid choices definitely contributes to them being raped. Be aware of your surroundings, don't use drugs / drink when not with people you 100% trust, don't go to seedy places and your odds of getting raped drop significantly.

You're bad and you should feel bad about yourself.

Women's clothing does not cause rape. Their drinking does not cause rape. Their drug use does not cause rape. THEY GET RAPED BECAUSE SOMEONE RAPED THEM.

If a guy with a nice house gets robbed are you all "Oh too bad your house was so nice, it was totally asking for it?"


Er, actually for most other crimes we do tend to blame the victim if they did anything egregious that increased the chances of it happening.

Leave your front door unlocked and get robbed? What did you think would happen?

Leave your nice car in the ghetto and it gets stolen? What did you think would happen?

Wore a suit made out of hundred dollar bills and you got robbed? What did you think would happen?

Found some skinheads in a dark alley and told them they looked gay and you got your ass beat? What did you think would happen?

Got in a car with an obviously intoxicated Kennedy and now you're dead in a lake? What did you think would happen?

Got drunk, passed out a frat party after making out with every guy there and getting them to buy you beer by telling them how horny you were and you were raped? There was literally nothing you could have done to prevent that.

/it's not blaming the victim necessarily to say certain things increase your odds of being victimized.
//and we have no problem doing that for just about every other kind of victim.
 
2012-02-13 06:20:42 PM

Weaver95: thamike: Weaver95: How can you tell when you've been raped 'too much'?

When Mike Tyson tells you to get out.

/too soon?

didn't Tyson once tell someone 'i'm gonna f*ck you till you love me' or something along those lines? or was that just an internet rumor?


I think it was a haiku.
 
2012-02-13 06:22:14 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: The Numbers: Philip Francis Queeg: The Numbers: Yes it is, just look at the context of the remarks. And if your position was that you wanted to argue against women being included in the military at all it makes sense to criticize the Pentagon for not expecting an increase in the number of rapes and that they don't have good programs in place to deal with rape.

You have her backwards. She's not complaining that they don't have good programs in place to deal with rape, she's complaining that they do have good programs in place to deal with rape.

And the feminists have also directed them, really, to spend a lot of money. They have sexual counselors all over the place, victims' advocates, sexual response coordinators. ... So, you have this whole bureaucracy upon bureaucracy being built up with all kinds of levels of people to support women in the military who are now being raped too much.

You and I might consider those are good things, but does it sound like she thinks they are?

No she clearly does not think that programs to support victims of rape in the military are a good thing.

That's part of what makes her the loathsome excuse for a human she is.


Then you and I have at least arrived at a point on which we can both agree.
 
2012-02-13 06:22:42 PM
To all the rape apologists in this thread, an eternity in hell is too good for you.
 
2012-02-13 06:24:14 PM

sprawl15: Weaver95: How can you tell when you've been raped 'too much'? is that even a measurable standard?

One of the important things one remains aware of during a rape is hydration. If you notice chafing, you should request your attacker pause momentarily and hydrate from your canteen. On yellow flag (or higher) rape days, five minutes of break must be made available for every hour of rape. On black flag days, roofies must be used prior to rape to reduce the effort of all parties involved and mitigate the chance of heatstroke.


This message brought to you by the Rape Ministry of Rape.
 
2012-02-13 06:24:42 PM

watson.t.hamster: Genevieve Marie: Kazrath: Often times there is plenty of blame to go around. If you dress in a provocative way, make unsafe, or even bad decisions, you are more likely to have an undesired outcome. Rape is bad, that why we have laws making it illegal. Women making stupid choices definitely contributes to them being raped. Be aware of your surroundings, don't use drugs / drink when not with people you 100% trust, don't go to seedy places and your odds of getting raped drop significantly.

You're bad and you should feel bad about yourself.

Women's clothing does not cause rape. Their drinking does not cause rape. Their drug use does not cause rape. THEY GET RAPED BECAUSE SOMEONE RAPED THEM.

If a guy with a nice house gets robbed are you all "Oh too bad your house was so nice, it was totally asking for it?"

Er, actually for most other crimes we do tend to blame the victim if they did anything egregious that increased the chances of it happening.

Leave your front door unlocked and get robbed? What did you think would happen?

Leave your nice car in the ghetto and it gets stolen? What did you think would happen?

Wore a suit made out of hundred dollar bills and you got robbed? What did you think would happen?

Found some skinheads in a dark alley and told them they looked gay and you got your ass beat? What did you think would happen?

Got in a car with an obviously intoxicated Kennedy and now you're dead in a lake? What did you think would happen?

Got drunk, passed out a frat party after making out with every guy there and getting them to buy you beer by telling them how horny you were and you were raped? There was literally nothing you could have done to prevent that.

/it's not blaming the victim necessarily to say certain things increase your odds of being victimized.
//and we have no problem doing that for just about every other kind of victim.


Except that's exactly what he said. Read what she responded to. No one is saying that people shouldn't take precautions to avoid being victimized. Its saying that its repugnant to blame rape victims for their rape.
 
2012-02-13 06:24:43 PM

Kazrath: Often times there is plenty of blame to go around.


Depends on what we mean by blame. If you want to talk about all the causal influences that led up to the rape, yea... but then everyone deserves some blame for every rape, including you and me and the Pope and butterflies flapping their wings in Africa. If we want to talk about the immediate, proximal cause that is responsible for initiating and carrying through with the act of raping a person, then blame lies solely with the rapist and not one iota with the victim.

Are there things we can do to protect ourselves? Yes. But that doesn't mean that either (a) doing them will protect us 100% of the time or that (b) failing to do one or more of those protective measures justifies any of the negative acts other people choose to inflict on us. And this applies to more than just rape. Theft, murder, assault, and so on. Otherwise, you're to blame at least a little bit for every crime someone commits or will commit against you.
 
2012-02-13 06:25:11 PM

watson.t.hamster: Got drunk, passed out a frat party after making out with every guy there and getting them to buy you beer by telling them how horny you were and you were raped? There was literally nothing you could have done to prevent that.

/it's not blaming the victim necessarily to say certain things increase your odds of being victimized.
//and we have no problem doing that for just about every other kind of victim.


Have you ever actually talked to a rape victim?

Other than at your frat parties in college that is.
 
2012-02-13 06:25:24 PM

watson.t.hamster: So because of Roger Ailes this woman in fact said something that she did not say.

Got it.


I know it's hard to swallow, but if what these people say is so horrifying to you, maybe you should find a new group of role models.
 
2012-02-13 06:25:28 PM

contrapunctus: watson.t.hamster:

Only if "they" referred to the victims. It seems obvious from her statement (the full one, not the 4 word snip taken out of context) that she was referring to the pentagon, particularly to a study they had done finding rapes were increasing as more women served.

Wrong.

She was blaming the decision to allow women to serve in the first place, which is why her commentary (like clockwork) started with the usual laundry list of Republican 'culture warrior' grievances.

You are wrong.


TROTTA: But while all of this is going on, just a few weeks ago, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta commented on a new Pentagon report on sexual abuse in the military. I think they have actually discovered there is a difference between men and women. And the sexual abuse report says that there has been, since 2006, a 64% increase in violent sexual assaults. Now, what did they expect?

Rape victims were not directly referenced in that first bit. The pronoun thus goes to one of those two. Since it's plural she would have to be referring to the pentagon.

/freaking pronouns, how do they work?
 
2012-02-13 06:26:31 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Have you ever actually talked to a rape victim?


Only before he raped them. So it doesn't count.
 
2012-02-13 06:26:44 PM

watson.t.hamster: Er, actually for most other crimes we do tend to blame the victim if they did anything egregious that increased the chances of it happening.

Leave your front door unlocked and get robbed? What did you think would happen?

Leave your nice car in the ghetto and it gets stolen? What did you think would happen?

Wore a suit made out of hundred dollar bills and you got robbed? What did you think would happen?

Found some skinheads in a dark alley and told them they looked gay and you got your ass beat? What did you think would happen?

Got in a car with an obviously intoxicated Kennedy and now you're dead in a lake? What did you think would happen?

Got drunk, passed out a frat party after making out with every guy there and getting them to buy you beer by telling them how horny you were and you were raped? There was literally nothing you could have done to prevent that.

/it's not blaming the victim necessarily to say certain things increase your odds of being victimized.
//and we have no problem doing that for just about every other kind of victim.


but you are wrong ....
these are all examples of someone actively doing something stupid.
a soldier, working on a base or in the field, is not doing anything which is actively stupid. walking patrol, got raped. Working on a chopper, got raped.

the right is taking the position that even joining the army, rape is to be an expected part of that.
which is crazy talk.

in the end, no matter how retarded the victim is, the criminal is the one committing the crime.

Everyday, every person with any commonsense does a million things to avoid being the victim of a crime and we dont even think about those things. locking doors, avoiding dark alleys and unsafe areas. but a woman walking down the street getting jumped and raped?

I would guess that the majority of rapes are NOT the "derp" in the wrong place and drunk rapes.
Alas, the majority of rapes and non-stranger rape. You are with someone you know and get raped .... sigh
 
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