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(KSTU FOX 13)   GOP state representative introduces bill banning DUI checkpoints to protect your civil right to drive while shiatfaced. Must be a closet Libertarian   (fox13now.com ) divider line
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2012-02-13 01:18:23 PM  
Good. DUI checkpoints are an abomination.
 
2012-02-13 01:20:49 PM  

Weaver95: Good. DUI checkpoints are an abomination.


Ditto. Random check points so that law enforcement can go all "papers please?" without cause? Complete bullshiat.
 
2012-02-13 01:24:26 PM  

vartian: Weaver95: Good. DUI checkpoints are an abomination.

Ditto. Random check points so that law enforcement can go all "papers please?" without cause? Complete bullshiat.


Makes me wonder if subby is trolling or is actually opposed to preventing police from breaking the Fourth Amendment.
 
2012-02-13 01:28:13 PM  

vartian: Weaver95: Good. DUI checkpoints are an abomination.

Ditto. Random check points so that law enforcement can go all "papers please?" without cause? Complete bullshiat.


But, my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. got hit by a drunk driver.

I guess it's pretty serious.
 
2012-02-13 01:32:26 PM  
If you can't tell I'm drunk/high/whacked out by the way I'm driving, then fark you, you have no reason to stop me.
 
2012-02-13 01:33:48 PM  
In other news, when applying for various types of licenses you agree to submit to random inspections.

Restaurant license to serve food? Unannounced health inspections.

Pilot's license? Random "ramp checks".

If this country had real penalties for first DUI (e.g. Year suspension and fine) maybe people would think twice so we wouldn't need checkpoints.
 
2012-02-13 01:44:06 PM  
As someone who's had 2 close friends killed by drunk drivers, I'm getting a kick out of this thread.
 
2012-02-13 01:57:42 PM  
Don't drink and drive then, farkwads.
 
2012-02-13 02:03:52 PM  
Drunk driving checkpoints have no effect on you when you come upon one sober.
 
2012-02-13 02:05:09 PM  
Banning checkpoints does not "protect your right to drive while drunk" anymore than banning telescreens in private homes "protects your right to beat your kids." Besides, umpteen studies have shown that if cops want to get drunks off the road, manning enforcement patrols -- cops who actually drive around LOOKING for drunk drivers -- is much more effective than casting blanket suspicion on every single driver who passes a given part of the street,
 
2012-02-13 02:06:15 PM  

maxwellton: Why can't people say "train" in polite society any more?


banination in 3....2....1....
 
2012-02-13 02:06:44 PM  

lohphat:
If this country had real penalties for first DUI (e.g. Year suspension and fine) maybe people would think twice so we wouldn't need checkpoints.


right because currently a DUI conviction is no big deal.
 
2012-02-13 02:06:56 PM  
But, fascism can solve all of society's problems.

/give fascism a chance
 
2012-02-13 02:07:20 PM  
Why is MADD saying "its not like we're out there every weekend"?

Oh, because they make their funding off of scaring the general public.
 
2012-02-13 02:07:28 PM  
Aaand wondering what will happen when the first lawsuit comes by a DUI accident victim...or worse, the driver.
 
2012-02-13 02:07:58 PM  
I like that the Republicans are all about protecting individuals rights! The right to drink and drive, smoke cigarettes, have unwanted children.
 
2012-02-13 02:08:34 PM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: As someone who's had 2 close friends killed by drunk drivers, I'm getting a kick out of this thread.


THIS

+1

/has a sad
//if you agree to get a drivers license, you agree to inspections
 
2012-02-13 02:08:35 PM  
Traffic checkpoints are egregious attempts to circumvent the need for probable cause while hiding behind insincere pleas for public safety.

/but of course, they strengthen the law-abiding public's feelings of goodwill and trust in law enforcement
 
2012-02-13 02:08:40 PM  

moops: Drunk driving checkpoints have no effect on you when you come upon one sober.


I'm bored, so I'll bite. How is being forced to stop and submit to a random sobriety check something that has no effect on me?
 
2012-02-13 02:08:42 PM  
www.carbuyingtips.com

It's all good until someone you know and love is killed by a drunk driver. Amirite?
 
2012-02-13 02:08:49 PM  
Driving is a privilege, not a right.

You can argue that your car is an extension of your house and can be construed as private property, but you'll just piss off the judge.
 
2012-02-13 02:08:58 PM  

Resident Muslim: Aaand wondering what will happen when the first lawsuit comes by a DUI accident victim...or worse, the driver.


tell 'em to sue the guy who actually committed the crime in question.
 
2012-02-13 02:09:17 PM  
If its a drunk driving checkpoint, why do they ask for your license, insurance and registration? Do the license, insurance and registration have special alcohol detectors in them?
 
2012-02-13 02:09:24 PM  

moops: Drunk driving checkpoints have no effect on you when you come upon one sober.


That's a lie and you know it.
 
2012-02-13 02:09:41 PM  
Subby if cops can't tell a drunk by watching them drive, then they are too dumb to be carrying a gun. DUI checkpoints are a direct violation of the 4th amendment. There is no reason, what so ever, to search everyone just because they are driving.
 
2012-02-13 02:09:53 PM  

Resident Muslim: Aaand wondering what will happen when the first lawsuit comes by a DUI accident victim...or worse, the driver.


For what? If that were the case, everyone would be able to sue any day there weren't DUI checkpoints out.
 
2012-02-13 02:10:01 PM  

PsiChi: [www.carbuyingtips.com image 578x398]

It's all good until someone you know and love is killed by a drunk driver. Amirite?


I agree. We should ban cars - it's the only way to be safe.
 
2012-02-13 02:10:05 PM  

I'ma lib-burp-taaaarrrrian.

staytunedtv.com

 
2012-02-13 02:10:17 PM  
Having family killed by drunk drivers I;m getting a real kick out of...
 
2012-02-13 02:10:18 PM  

chooktah: lohphat:
If this country had real penalties for first DUI (e.g. Year suspension and fine) maybe people would think twice so we wouldn't need checkpoints.

right because currently a DUI conviction is no big deal.


Compared to many other countries, it isn't.

Some will impound your car. Some will permanently ban you on the 2nd conviction.

The US does not take this seriously as we still have people on the roads after double-digit arrests.
 
2012-02-13 02:10:32 PM  

MajorityWhip: maxwellton: Why can't people say "train" in polite society any more?

banination in 3....2....1....


uh...what?
 
2012-02-13 02:10:33 PM  

moops: Drunk driving checkpoints have no effect on you when you come upon one sober.


get the f*ck out of my country.

no...really - pack your bags and leave. I don't care where you go or what you do...but seriously - GTFO of here. you don't belong in this nation.
 
2012-02-13 02:10:34 PM  
if DUI checkpoints were about stoping people from DUI'ing then I'd probably be ok with them. But they're not because once you've been stopped at the checkpoint then anything the cop sees that suspicious is now probable cause for further investigation.

A few years ago my registration expired on my car because I was late coming up with the money to pay my property taxes on the car (you can't register without paying the taxes first.) I got stopped at a DUI checkpoint and my car ended up being towed.
 
2012-02-13 02:10:44 PM  
Whoa! How did that happen? Stupid Lastpass kept that on my clipboard from last night. Anyway...

People can get drunk in Utah? What I mean is, "They are ABLE to get drunk"? News to me (I've tried)
 
2012-02-13 02:11:17 PM  
If checkpoints are only used to catch drunk drivers then why are they also used to nail people for other things, like seat belt violations?

Revenue generation, pure and simple.
 
2012-02-13 02:11:31 PM  

MayContainHorseGluten: //if you agree to get a drivers license, you agree to inspections


Not any and all inspections, there are still rules. The 4th amendment still applies, even if something sad did happen to someone you knew.
 
2012-02-13 02:12:45 PM  

moops: Drunk driving checkpoints have no effect on you when you come upon one sober.


No? I would have stopped there and talked to a cop if that checkpoint weren't there?
 
2012-02-13 02:13:06 PM  
Why is it the Retardlicans can do this without fear of a media outrage. If a Democrap tried to introduce a bill like this there would be a shiatstorm.

...Fox will probably applaud the bill.
 
2012-02-13 02:13:14 PM  

micah1701: if DUI checkpoints were about stoping people from DUI'ing then I'd probably be ok with them. But they're not because once you've been stopped at the checkpoint then anything the cop sees that suspicious is now probable cause for further investigation.

A few years ago my registration expired on my car because I was late coming up with the money to pay my property taxes on the car (you can't register without paying the taxes first.) I got stopped at a DUI checkpoint and my car ended up being towed.


So it's the checkpoint's fault you can't pay your farking bills on time?
 
2012-02-13 02:13:41 PM  

vartian: Ditto. Random check points so that law enforcement can go all "papers please?" without cause? Complete bullshiat.


If a cop at a DUI checkpoint asks for your "papers please," then he isn't conducting a DUI checkpoint and what he's doing is unconstitutional. A true DUI checkpoint checks for intoxication and nothing else. If there's no immediately observable indications of intoxication, you should be on your way. If not, you're being illegally detained.
 
2012-02-13 02:13:44 PM  

vartian: Weaver95: Good. DUI checkpoints are an abomination.

Ditto. Random check points so that law enforcement can go all "papers please?" without cause? Complete bullshiat.


And a third. People would be absolutely incensed if the cops marched into random homes and drug tested people, or set up a forensic kit and began scanning their home computers, "just to make sure" nobody's doing anything illegal.

BTW, the whole "but but but driving is a privilege not a right" argument is total crap, and it's increasingly being used to excuse virtually any sort of intrusive, obnoxious police-state crap that the state desires in order to maintain order increase revenues.
"Oh, flying is a privilege, so bend over!"
"We gotta protect the kids, so gimme your laptop for a search!"
"You're driving completely normally, so we need to stuff a camera/breathalyzer in your face to make our DUI quota for the month!"
"You're walking too near those kids on the playground, so we're gonna need to see proof you need to be in this public park!"

Bunch of nanny-state pussified garbage. Get a goddamn warrant or get out of my farking face.
 
2012-02-13 02:13:52 PM  
The 4th Amendment, applicable to the states through the 14th, requires that a citizen only be subjected to a search and seizure, when there is a reason to suspect that person, individually, of committing a crime. Stopping everybody on the road with no individualized basis whatsoever is a violation of basic constitutional rights.
 
2012-02-13 02:14:17 PM  
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I hate hate HATE the idea of DUI checkpoints. it's a violation of everything this country was founded upon.
 
2012-02-13 02:15:38 PM  

moops: Drunk driving checkpoints have no effect on you when you come upon one sober.


Not true. Me and a buddy were stopped at checkpoint a few counties from home one night about 10 years ago. We were stone-cold sober. The cops asked us to get out, interrogated us separately, and searched his truck. Our reason for driving across the state on rural routes in the middle of the night was pretty dumb, but we weren't breaking any laws. My buddy was going to see a girl (an amateur prizefighter) that he met on the internet. I was his wingman. the DUI checkpoint was a waste of our time. The whole trip was a waste of out time, really.
 
2012-02-13 02:15:43 PM  

micah1701: if DUI checkpoints were about stoping people from DUI'ing then I'd probably be ok with them. But they're not because once you've been stopped at the checkpoint then anything the cop sees that suspicious is now probable cause for further investigation.

A few years ago my registration expired on my car because I was late coming up with the money to pay my property taxes on the car (you can't register without paying the taxes first.) I got stopped at a DUI checkpoint and my car ended up being towed.


You could have just as easily been pulled over for the expired tags themselves. In your case, the checkpoint didn't really extended their powers at all.

That said, I agree with the sentiment of first paragraph.
 
2012-02-13 02:16:53 PM  
But most of you would cheerfully get fisted by the TSA to board an airplane.
 
2012-02-13 02:17:14 PM  

Weaver95: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I hate hate HATE the idea of DUI checkpoints. it's a violation of everything this country was founded upon.


The 4th was thrown out in 1986, iirc....when the decision was made that it was ok to search everything and anyone, for....wait for it....DRUGS!

So blame the drugs~

/Or Canada..
 
2012-02-13 02:17:47 PM  

CruiserTwelve: vartian: Ditto. Random check points so that law enforcement can go all "papers please?" without cause? Complete bullshiat.

If a cop at a DUI checkpoint asks for your "papers please," then he isn't conducting a DUI checkpoint and what he's doing is unconstitutional. A true DUI checkpoint checks for intoxication and nothing else. If there's no immediately observable indications of intoxication, you should be on your way. If not, you're being illegally detained.


Glad to see you in this thread, Twelve. Allow me to posit a question. What if I am at a checkpoint and invoke my right to remain silent, or refuse to roll down my window? Is refusing to speak to the officer an observable indication of intoxication?
 
2012-02-13 02:18:01 PM  

Jake Havechek: But most of you would cheerfully get fisted by the TSA to board an airplane.


Only with proper lube.

Actually I'm pretty sure everybody in this thread screaming about checkpoints are also in the threads screaming about the TSA.
 
2012-02-13 02:18:20 PM  

micah1701: if DUI checkpoints were about stoping people from DUI'ing then I'd probably be ok with them. But they're not because once you've been stopped at the checkpoint then anything the cop sees that suspicious is now probable cause for further investigation.

A few years ago my registration expired on my car because I was late coming up with the money to pay my property taxes on the car (you can't register without paying the taxes first.) I got stopped at a DUI checkpoint and my car ended up being towed.


...because you violated the terms and conditions of operating a motor vehicle.

Good.

For the same reason they should ground aircraft for shoddy record keeping and maintenance violations.

Welcome to civilization. Don't like it? Take a look at the roads and drivers of undeveloped nations. There's a reason we have taxes and rules and penalties.

I personally don't want to live in a lawless shiathole.
 
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