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yert: SpacePunk: How did he manage to serve that long in a foreign army, and not lose his U.S. citizenship?

redmid17: I know the state department is getting stricter on people letting go of American citizenship, but isn't voluntarily serving in another countries army one of those ways?

I think there is a general exception for (surprise) Israel. Both my daughters are american and israeli citizen and can serve in either force (not at the same time). But since they are not being raised in israel they are not forced to serve. I know a lot of american jew who served in the idf and were not israeli citizens. Rahm emanual did not serve in the IDF but was a senior adviser for them.

By my reading of the law (new window), it requires that your actions demonstrate an intent to relinquish US citizenship, and it only applies if someone serves in the armed forces of a country at war with the US, or if they accept an officer (commissioned or not) rank in a foreign army. Serving as a private in the army of a friendly nation wouldn't do it.

I don't know of any special exemption for Israel.

MonkeyAngst: rudemix: Is there an hour of any day of the week where a submission involves Israel somehow where Tatsuma doesn't post right away? Dude would probably violate the sabbath to prop up Israel on fark.

Actually, he doesn't. Check out an Israel thread that gets posted on a Friday afternoon sometime.

Ah but this is the internet. It's always not Friday somewhere on the planet.

Slightly unrelated question for my American friends. I used to be a reservist in the Canadian army (insert snarky comment here). Once in a while we'd do training or exchanges during my summer training with your guys in green, so I met quite a few US Army personnel. It seems like every damn one of them were from Georgia. Why is that?

Don't get me wrong - these guys were great. Friendly, professional, great stories over beers after hours. Is there a disproportionate number of Georgians in the Army, or is it just a weird coincidence?

Well the Israeli military is running a little short on cash.


Report: Israeli military strapped for cash (new window)

"Israel's military budget is short of about $1 billion and defense operations will have to be scaled back, officials said Sunday."

nytmare: Amos Quito: Three words:

Conflict. Of. Interest.


/Send that boy home


And where is it that you think he lives?


Military housing, likely.


Satanic_Hamster: Amos Quito: Three words:

Conflict. Of. Interest.


/Send that boy home

So you want send him... Back to New York?


New York, Tel Aviv, wherever.

He should be at home in his mom's basement, being served matzohs and chicken soup.

Anyone who has served in ANY foreign military has no business in the US armed forces, or in sensitive US government positions, for that matter.

So he has now served for TWO child murdering civilian bombing armies. This guy along with the rest of Israel is going to hell, hopefully sooner than later.

Tatterdemalian: Satanic_Hamster: Amos Quito: Three words:

Conflict. Of. Interest.


/Send that boy home

So you want send him... Back to New York?

Pretty sure Amos wants him sent to Dacheau, with the Wayback Machine set to 1938.

/fortunately he thinks modern-day Jerusalem is the same place and time
//don't spoil it for him, let him be surprised when the USAF begs Israel for their IDF-trained trooper back


You're brilliant.

spiro: So he has now served for TWO child murdering civilian bombing armies. This guy along with the rest of Israel is going to hell, hopefully sooner than later.

Trololololol

bullwrinkle: The US Army does not teach this;
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Krav Maga, you mean

Amos Quito: He should be at home in his mom's basement, being served matzohs and chicken soup

as always, you make it clear that your issue is with Israel/Zionism, not Judaism (religious or cultural). Thanks for keeping it clear.

redmid17: I know the state department is getting stricter on people letting go of American citizenship, but isn't voluntarily serving in another countries army one of those ways?

Except for one army in particular. Guess who?

Wait a minute. I thought every thread that involved somebody who might at some point worn a uniform but who is not a mooslim or a nazy gets the [hero] tag because they are Keeping Us Free(tm) and Preserving the Right of D-Bags Like Me To Post on Fark(tm).

donzamboni: as always, you make it clear that your issue is with Israel/Zionism, not Judaism (religious or cultural). Thanks for keeping it clear.

My problem with Zionism is that if all the Jews go to Israel, who will invite me next door for those awesome potato pancake thingys?

Ever though of that, Mr Smarty Pants?

Ned Stark: redmid17: I know the state department is getting stricter on people letting go of American citizenship, but isn't voluntarily serving in another countries army one of those ways?

Except for one army in particular. Guess who?

it's funny how people have already provided links to demonstrate that there is no such exception or law like that, but since your need to hate Jews is stronger than reality, that will win out.

Gortex: Slightly unrelated question for my American friends. I used to be a reservist in the Canadian army (insert snarky comment here). Once in a while we'd do training or exchanges during my summer training with your guys in green, so I met quite a few US Army personnel. It seems like every damn one of them were from Georgia. Why is that?

My guess is since there are so many Army bases in Georgia (at least six), it's more likely to recruit more Army folk. As far as I can tell, Texas is the only other state that has six Army bases.

Gortex: Slightly unrelated question for my American friends. I used to be a reservist in the Canadian army (insert snarky comment here). Once in a while we'd do training or exchanges during my summer training with your guys in green, so I met quite a few US Army personnel. It seems like every damn one of them were from Georgia. Why is that?

Don't get me wrong - these guys were great. Friendly, professional, great stories over beers after hours. Is there a disproportionate number of Georgians in the Army, or is it just a weird coincidence?

I found this comment to be quite funny and some ways true. When I was in the Army from 87 to 92, there did seem to be a disproportionate number of Southerners in the Army vs other regions of the country. There were people from all the regions of the country in the Army of course, but there did seem to be about 60% southern with Georgia having a large percentage of that number. I am from Florida and we too were well represented. I don't have any hard numbers on that, but it maybe the fact that many of the southern states had large military presences in those states. I know in Georgia alone (at the time, don't know now) there were 3 major Army bases and several smaller bases and that was just the Army! The Air Force and Navy also had a presence in the state as well. I would be interested to know what the actual breakdown was for our military as far as where the personnel originated from.

There are Zionist spies everywhere. Everywhere! Even the walls have mezuzahs.

Really? His immigration paperwork has gone through since June? That's pretty fast, good for him.

Or maybe the US allows foreign nationals to serve in the Army now? I know it doesn't work the other way (serving in a sworn position like the army or government of a foreign country involves losing your US citizenship) but I did hear that we were cool with Mexican nationals in there at one point.

Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: The army? So what? Lets compare air force and special forces. That would honesty be interesting.

What, so we can make the IDF look massively inferior instead?

Plus, the US is the (arguably) evil empire, man, which special forces? There's one in every branch of the military and law enforcement, plus the various paramilitaries with less direct government ties (*coughXecough*) and the random militia dudes. Hell, some of our special forces themselves have special forces branches (the Marines originated as the Navy's spec-ops/shock troops).

Basically, you want something blowed up real good, you call Israel. You want something blowed up so good that its grandfather disappears from old pictures and its name is only known as a synonym for the void in several generations, you call the US. With the soviets gone we're pretty much the undisputed champs of that kind of thing now.

I can haz hot IDF gurlz thread?

Hey Jew, where ya goin' with that gun in your hand?



/ Hopefully it's to my place

donzamboni: Amos Quito: He should be at home in his mom's basement, being served matzohs and chicken soup

as always, you make it clear that your issue is with Israel/Zionism, not Judaism (religious or cultural). Thanks for keeping it clear.


Israel proudly calls itself the Jewish State for a reason: It was conceived and founded as a Jewish homeland. The motives behind Zionism were purely racist / ethnocentric, and the state makes it clear that its primary goal is to perpetuate the racist / ethnocentric nature of the country.

Had your boy been an American Catholic of Irish descent, there is little chance that he would have served in the IDF.

Don't you agree?

Captain Darling: SpacePunk: foreign

yert: SpacePunk: How did he manage to serve that long in a foreign army, and not lose his U.S. citizenship?

redmid17: I know the state department is getting stricter on people letting go of American citizenship, but isn't voluntarily serving in another countries army one of those ways?

I think there is a general exception for (surprise) Israel. Both my daughters are american and israeli citizen and can serve in either force (not at the same time). But since they are not being raised in israel they are not forced to serve. I know a lot of american jew who served in the idf and were not israeli citizens. Rahm emanual did not serve in the IDF but was a senior adviser for them.

By my reading of the law (new window), it requires that your actions demonstrate an intent to relinquish US citizenship, and it only applies if someone serves in the armed forces of a country at war with the US, or if they accept an officer (commissioned or not) rank in a foreign army. Serving as a private in the army of a friendly nation wouldn't do it.

I don't know of any special exemption for Israel.

yup gotta agree with you. although serving in the cuban military as a us citizen is going to raise a lot more issues than serving in the IDF.

Why Would I Read the Article: I can haz hot IDF gurlz thread?

Hey Jew, where ya goin' with that gun in your hand?

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/ Hopefully it's to my place

You wouldn't say that if you knew what she plans on doing with that gun.

Ned Stark: redmid17: I know the state department is getting stricter on people letting go of American citizenship, but isn't voluntarily serving in another countries army one of those ways?

Except for one army in particular. Guess who?

North Korea?

Plenty of non-Israel examples:

Link (new window)

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Amos Quito: The motives behind Zionism were purely racist / ethnocentric,

Really? What race / ethnicity are the Jews? What race and ethnicity do the Jews perpetuate?


Racist Jewish flying thousands of black Ethiopian Jews to live in Israel:



Racist Jewish state bringing thousands Yemenite Arab Jews to live in Israel:


Racist Jews bringing back Chinese Jews to Israel:

Two negative comments on IDF with one positive comment on USA. Might as well have said US has better boots, is more disciplined and serves less tuna.

USA USA USA

depmode98: Amos Quito: The motives behind Zionism were purely racist / ethnocentric,

Really? What race / ethnicity are the Jews?


Jewish.


depmode98: What race and ethnicity do the Jews perpetuate?


The Jewish race / ethnicity, obviously. (ethnicity is the term usually preferred these days, for obvious reasons)

If your mom is authentically Jewish, you are born Jewish, and will be recognized as such by all other Jews.

If your mom is not Jewish, you are not born Jewish, and will not be recognized as such by all other Jews unless you undergo conversion - and even then, it's iffy.

See also: Who is a Jew? (new window)

Should clear things up a bit.

Shh, nobody mention all the Philippine nationals serving in the US Navy...!

Millennium

netweavr: Sometimes I think Fark needs a "flame-bait" tag.

I don't know; TFA doesn't seem too flamebaity to me. Neither, really, does the headline. Any two armies will have differences, and both TFA and the headline seem to have stuck to the relatively safe, inoffensive ones.

One would think, but any post relating to Israel attracts the usual bigots, to wit:

Amos Quito

SpacePunk: How did he manage to serve that long in a foreign army, and not lose his U.S. citizenship?

The US' relationship with Israel is... uh... "special".

...

/Send that boy home

In the real world, the US doesn't generally prevent veterans of other armies from serving in US forces. Usually they're immigrants - a friend knew a veteran of the South Vietmanese army who served in the US Army afterwards, and there are plenty of other examples. AFAIK, the only limitation is if the foreign army was fighting the US.

Unless he's Jewish of course, then BURN HIM AT THE STAKE as these gentle, fairminded "anti-Zionists" would have it.

Satanic_Hamster: Amos Quito: New York, Tel Aviv, wherever.

He should be at home in his mom's basement, being served matzohs and chicken soup.

Anyone who has served in ANY foreign military has no business in the US armed forces, or in sensitive US government positions, for that matter.

Out of curiosity, would you also ban non-citizens and people who aren't natural born citizens from being in the US military?


Non-citizens? Yes. Naturalized? Not necessarily.

It seems to me that we should have high confidence that those who serve in our military are loyal to our nation, no?

Does Israel allow Arabs of Palestinian descent to serve in the IDF?

Why or why not?

Amos Quito: depmode98: Amos Quito: The motives behind Zionism were purely racist / ethnocentric,

Really? What race / ethnicity are the Jews?


Jewish.


depmode98: What race and ethnicity do the Jews perpetuate?


The Jewish race / ethnicity, obviously. (ethnicity is the term usually preferred these days, for obvious reasons)

If your mom is authentically Jewish, you are born Jewish, and will be recognized as such by all other Jews.

If your mom is not Jewish, you are not born Jewish, and will not be recognized as such by all other Jews unless you undergo conversion - and even then, it's iffy.

See also: Who is a Jew? (new window)

Should clear things up a bit.

When there are articles about the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, or the Islamic Republican of Iran (both official titles), do you step in to post how racist those states are, or do you only reserve that for articles about the Jewish State of Israel?

Amos Quito: Israel proudly calls itself the Jewish State for a reason: It was conceived and founded as a Jewish homeland. The motives behind Zionism were purely racist / ethnocentric, and the state makes it clear that its primary goal is to perpetuate the racist / ethnocentric nature of the country.

Had your boy been an American Catholic of Irish descent, there is little chance that he would have served in the IDF.

Don't you agree?

We get it...he's Jewish.

Amos Quito: Does Israel allow Arabs of Palestinian descent to serve in the IDF?

Um, yes they do. Beduin arabs serve in the IDF all the time.

SpacePunk: How did he manage to serve that long in a foreign army, and not lose his U.S. citizenship?

Unless things have changed, the "loophole" was that you weren't "volunteering" in the Israeli Army, as you were drafted and forced into it. People I know with dual citizenship filed a letter with the US embassy saying that they were in the Israeli army against their will so please don't consider it a voluntary act of relinquishing their US citizenship.

/of course, they didn't ask the embassy for help escaping out of the Israeli army either.

I really don't understand why we allow this type of stuff.

When you go and server in another countries army you have chosen a team. I am not sure why it is OK regardless of which country you decide to server with, it should bar you from serving in the US military or attaining high office.

Rahm would be a perfectly good example. An former IDF member serving as our countries White House Chief of Staff. The guy might be a great guy but it just seems liker a bad idea.

Amos Quito:

Out of curiosity, would you also ban non-citizens and people who aren't natural born citizens from being in the US military?


Non-citizens? Yes. Naturalized? Not necessarily.



How about a citizen of an Indian Tribe, such as a Pima , not a citizen of the US. (See Ira Hayes and the code talkers) ?

grotto_man: Millennium

netweavr: Sometimes I think Fark needs a "flame-bait" tag.

I don't know; TFA doesn't seem too flamebaity to me. Neither, really, does the headline. Any two armies will have differences, and both TFA and the headline seem to have stuck to the relatively safe, inoffensive ones.

One would think, but any post relating to Israel attracts the usual bigots, to wit:

Amos Quito

SpacePunk: How did he manage to serve that long in a foreign army, and not lose his U.S. citizenship?

The US' relationship with Israel is... uh... "special".

...

/Send that boy home

In the real world, the US doesn't generally prevent veterans of other armies from serving in US forces. Usually they're immigrants - a friend knew a veteran of the South Vietmanese army who served in the US Army afterwards, and there are plenty of other examples. AFAIK, the only limitation is if the foreign army was fighting the US.

Unless he's Jewish of course, then BURN HIM AT THE STAKE as these gentle, fairminded "anti-Zionists" would have it.


Your boy was born in Brooklyn, USA. He made a decision to serve in the military of a foreign nation - voluntarily.

IMO, that shows dedicated allegiance to a foreign nation, and allegiance to ANY foreign nation should disqualify him from service in the US military OR any sensitive government position.

But don't let that stop you from pooping yourself with accusations of anti-Semitism.

Mmmkay?

BTW we have gotten far off the topic of hot IDF females!

grotto_man

Usually they're immigrants

..and before someone claims this was different because he was a US citizen before joining the foreign army, it isn't:

Chris Jeon, a 21-year-old university student from Los Angeles, has had quite the summer vacation. He informed family and friends that he was heading off to Cairo, but then crossed into Libya and spent the last few weeks fighting with the anti-Qaddafi rebels...did Jeon break U.S. law?

Probably not. The U.S. government certainly doesn't encourage citizens to go off and fight in foreign wars, but there's a long history of it -- from the Abraham Lincoln Brigade that fought against Francisco Franco during the Spanish Civil War
...
But a court ruling from 1896 involving U.S. citizens who fought with Cuban revolutionaries against Spanish colonial rule interpreted this to mean that it was only illegal for citizens to be recruited for a foreign army in the United States, not to simply fight in one. (Note to Libya's National Transitional Council: It probably wouldn't be wise to set up a recruiting station on the UCLA campus in hopes of attracting more fighters.)
...
If an American joins an army engaged in hostilities against the United States, that's considered an act of treason and punishable by death

Only when it comes to Jews/Israel does the "controversy" appear. How surprising.

Amos Quito

Your boy was born in Brooklyn, USA. He made a decision to serve in the military of a foreign nation - voluntarily.

You refer to him as "my boy", then disclaim bigotry.

IMO, that shows dedicated allegiance to a foreign nation, and allegiance to ANY foreign nation should disqualify him from service in the US military OR any sensitive government position.

But don't let that stop you from pooping yourself with accusations of anti-Semitism.

Mmmkay?

As I posted above, that's not the standard applied to any other US citizen who fights for a non-hostile force, which I don't see you bellyaching about when it doesn't involve Jews/Israel. That double standard is a manifestation of your many times displayed animus.

Got it?