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the_chief

2012-02-13 10:55:23 AM

lol

TravisBickle62

2012-02-13 10:56:45 AM

Yeah that's a problem with gun ranges, they all rent guns because you can shoot something different for a few bucks, and you don't have to clean it when you're done. It's damned inconsiderate when you can buy a perfectly good used revolver for a couple hundred bucks and shoot yourself at home.

cbackous

2012-02-13 10:57:18 AM

I feel bad for the gun range. They will probably never get that gun back.

If they do though.. I think a gun that has actually killed someone has a better resale value.

monoski

2012-02-13 10:58:14 AM

I have a friend who went into a gun store and brought a clip with bullets in it along with him then tried to shoot himself in the store (since he was already banned from owning his own) the clerk jumped over the counter and wrestled the gun away, my friend got shot in the leg and 5 years in jail and Darwin was cheated out of another one.

Russ1642

2012-02-13 11:01:59 AM

WIOD AM Local News. Local. I love small radio stations and news outlets. They have no clue how the internet works.

/local

aninconvenienterection

2012-02-13 11:02:33 AM

monoski: I have a friend who went into a gun store and brought a clip with bullets in it along with him then tried to shoot himself in the store (since he was already banned from owning his own) the clerk jumped over the counter and wrestled the gun away, my friend got shot in the leg and 5 years in jail and Darwin was cheated out of another one.

These words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean....Link (new window)

Russ1642

2012-02-13 11:04:50 AM

aninconvenienterection: monoski: I have a friend who went into a gun store and brought a clip with bullets in it along with him then tried to shoot himself in the store (since he was already banned from owning his own) the clerk jumped over the counter and wrestled the gun away, my friend got shot in the leg and 5 years in jail and Darwin was cheated out of another one.

These words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean....Link (new window)

There are things that set me off too, and they will always be there. I feel your pain.

Lone Stranger

2012-02-13 11:04:52 AM

I hope they got him to pay the rental fee in advance.

ha-ha-guy

2012-02-13 11:05:00 AM

TravisBickle62: Yeah that's a problem with gun ranges, they all rent guns because you can shoot something different for a few bucks, and you don't have to clean it when you're done. It's damned inconsiderate when you can buy a perfectly good used revolver for a couple hundred bucks and shoot yourself at home.

One of my local gun ranges stopped renting to non regulars after two guys blew their heads off within 3 months of each other.

Inigo

2012-02-13 11:06:12 AM

Dammit, Case.

TravisBickle62

2012-02-13 11:07:38 AM

ha-ha-guy: TravisBickle62: Yeah that's a problem with gun ranges, they all rent guns because you can shoot something different for a few bucks, and you don't have to clean it when you're done. It's damned inconsiderate when you can buy a perfectly good used revolver for a couple hundred bucks and shoot yourself at home.

One of my local gun ranges stopped renting to non regulars after two guys blew their heads off within 3 months of each other.

My local one requires you to submit a "membership application" which is free but takes a day to process, they probably figure Mr. Suicide Guy can't be bothered with that and will choose a different range to shoot himself.

Wenchmaster

2012-02-13 11:08:39 AM

Florida gun trifecta in play? Must be Monday.

Had a similar situation here in the Shallow South. Navy guy went to one of the local gun store/shooting range/pawn shop, rented a pistol, then blew his brains out. The store is still in business, but they no longer have a range on the premises. The range in TFA may suffer a similar fate, but I hope not.

For those who aren't familiar with them. many gun ranges (in my experience-YMMV) have a modest number of rifles and pistols available to rent for use at the range. Usually, the biggest risk is from an absolute tyro failing to follow the basic rules of gun handling, followed closely by someone who's "bin shooting mah whole lahf" doing the same thing. Not all ranges are willing to keep a rangemaster on site to catch and expel these imbeciles. Even those with a rangemaster would probably be unable to stop future would-be suicides.

/You can't protect the terminally stupid from themselves
//Murder-suicides need to reverse the order of operations

Whatthefark

2012-02-13 11:12:24 AM

A couple of ranges around here won't let you rent a gun unless your with someone just for this reason.

theknuckler_33

2012-02-13 11:12:58 AM

Do you charge by the bullet?

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Five thousand dollars!

The_Sponge

2012-02-13 11:13:47 AM

IIRC, Wade's Gun Shop & Range in Bellevue had two suicides in the past.

Which is why they do not allow people to rent firearms if they're alone.

Exception: You brought along one of your own firearms.

Incog_Neeto

2012-02-13 11:15:17 AM

aninconvenienterection: monoski: I have a friend who went into a gun store and brought a clip with bullets in it along with him then tried to shoot himself in the store (since he was already banned from owning his own) the clerk jumped over the counter and wrestled the gun away, my friend got shot in the leg and 5 years in jail and Darwin was cheated out of another one.

These words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean....Link (new window)

As a person who owns several guns and has to deal with people like you all the time. Let me just say, nobody else gives a shiat when people mis-use clip and magazine.

cbackous

2012-02-13 11:18:34 AM

Incog_Neeto: aninconvenienterection: monoski: I have a friend who went into a gun store and brought a clip with bullets in it along with him then tried to shoot himself in the store (since he was already banned from owning his own) the clerk jumped over the counter and wrestled the gun away, my friend got shot in the leg and 5 years in jail and Darwin was cheated out of another one.

These words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean....Link (new window)

As a person who owns several guns and has to deal with people like you all the time. Let me just say, nobody else gives a shiat when people mis-use clip and magazine.

I do. I just didnt feel like being a pedant about it.

ha-ha-guy

2012-02-13 11:19:52 AM

Incog_Neeto: As a person who owns several guns and has to deal with people like you all the time. Let me just say, nobody else gives a shiat when people mis-use clip and magazine.

I'm more confused by the story. It sounds like he showed up with a loaded mag or clip, asked to hold a gun on the retail floor, and then tried to load it real quick. The guy is lucky the clerk didn't just draw and shoot him down on the spot.

Although some stores have their display guns crippled in case someone tries funny business. He guy might have slammed the mag in and ended up looking like a fool when the gun refused to cock itself or discovered it wouldn't fire.

TravisBickle62

2012-02-13 11:20:54 AM

If you are a clerk at a gun range and you see some guy preparing to shoot himself, so you pull out your own gun and shoot the guy yourself to prevent him from shooting himself, have you committed a crime or are you off the hook because you were trying to prevent the commission of a crime?

aninconvenienterection

2012-02-13 11:26:13 AM

Incog_Neeto: aninconvenienterection: monoski: I have a friend who went into a gun store and brought a clip with bullets in it along with him then tried to shoot himself in the store (since he was already banned from owning his own) the clerk jumped over the counter and wrestled the gun away, my friend got shot in the leg and 5 years in jail and Darwin was cheated out of another one.

These words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean....Link (new window)

As a person who owns several guns and has to deal with people like you all the time. Let me just say, nobody else gives a shiat when people mis-use clip and magazine.

I wasnt aware that posting an informative link was that big a deal.

Cybernetic

2012-02-13 11:28:49 AM

TravisBickle62: If you are a clerk at a gun range and you see some guy preparing to shoot himself, so you pull out your own gun and shoot the guy yourself to prevent him from shooting himself, have you committed a crime or are you off the hook because you were trying to prevent the commission of a crime?

That depends. Did you kill him, or just wing him?

If you kill him, does that count as assisted suicide?

aninconvenienterection

2012-02-13 11:32:18 AM

Incog_Neeto: aninconvenienterection: monoski: I have a friend who went into a gun store and brought a clip with bullets in it along with him then tried to shoot himself in the store (since he was already banned from owning his own) the clerk jumped over the counter and wrestled the gun away, my friend got shot in the leg and 5 years in jail and Darwin was cheated out of another one.

These words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean....Link (new window)

As a person who owns several guns and has to deal with people like you all the time. Let me just say, nobody else gives a shiat when people mis-use clip and magazine.

It was the misuse of bullets versus rounds in conjunction with the possible clip/mag snafu (his friend may well have bought a clip but most likely it was a mag) that led me to post the link. Not sure how or why anyone would take anything negative away from this, but to each his/her own. Happy shooting.

TravisBickle62

2012-02-13 11:33:04 AM

Cybernetic: TravisBickle62: If you are a clerk at a gun range and you see some guy preparing to shoot himself, so you pull out your own gun and shoot the guy yourself to prevent him from shooting himself, have you committed a crime or are you off the hook because you were trying to prevent the commission of a crime?

That depends. Did you kill him, or just wing him?

If you kill him, does that count as assisted suicide?

I mean to shoot him in the right shoulder, to disarm him, but my aim was off and instead I shot him through the right eyeball, killing him instantly.

MorePeasPlease

2012-02-13 11:42:29 AM

Dimensio

2012-02-13 11:45:10 AM

TravisBickle62: Yeah that's a problem with gun ranges, they all rent guns because you can shoot something different for a few bucks, and you don't have to clean it when you're done. It's damned inconsiderate when you can buy a perfectly good used revolver for a couple hundred bucks and shoot yourself at home.

Perhaps such a problem could be averted through use of a suicide deposit that is refunded only for renters who do not kill themselves.

cig-mkr

2012-02-13 11:45:34 AM

meanmutton

2012-02-13 11:53:02 AM

aninconvenienterection: monoski: I have a friend who went into a gun store and brought a clip with bullets in it along with him then tried to shoot himself in the store (since he was already banned from owning his own) the clerk jumped over the counter and wrestled the gun away, my friend got shot in the leg and 5 years in jail and Darwin was cheated out of another one.

These words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean....Link (new window)

I think it's high time that we stop being pedantic and realize that the words clip and magazine have become interchangeable in our modern language.

meanmutton

2012-02-13 12:01:24 PM

aninconvenienterection: Incog_Neeto: aninconvenienterection: monoski: I have a friend who went into a gun store and brought a clip with bullets in it along with him then tried to shoot himself in the store (since he was already banned from owning his own) the clerk jumped over the counter and wrestled the gun away, my friend got shot in the leg and 5 years in jail and Darwin was cheated out of another one.

These words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean....Link (new window)

As a person who owns several guns and has to deal with people like you all the time. Let me just say, nobody else gives a shiat when people mis-use clip and magazine.

I wasnt aware that posting an informative link along with a condescendingly sarcastic commentwas that big a deal.

FTFY

meanmutton

2012-02-13 12:04:40 PM

MorePeasPlease: Incog_Neeto: As a person who owns several guns and has to deal with people like you all the time. Let me just say, nobody else gives a shiat when people mis-use clip and magazine.

I agree with your question, as you are person who encloses guns, and know what you are hearing about.

Language changes over time. Get over it. There isn't a single person in this country who has seen a semiautomatic pistol who would be confused if you said "put the bullets in the clip and put the clip in the gun". Now, they might not know how to do that but they would certainly know what you meant.

manimal2878

2012-02-13 12:24:35 PM

meanmutton: MorePeasPlease: Incog_Neeto: As a person who owns several guns and has to deal with people like you all the time. Let me just say, nobody else gives a shiat when people mis-use clip and magazine.

I agree with your question, as you are person who encloses guns, and know what you are hearing about.

Language changes over time. Get over it. There isn't a single person in this country who has seen a semiautomatic pistol who would be confused if you said "put the bullets in the clip and put the clip in the gun". Now, they might not know how to do that but they would certainly know what you meant.

The problem is akin to sailing, sure you could say pull the rope and bring sail in, except you don't, there is a proper terminology that is more efficient because it is more efficient, you say bring in the mainsell sheet.

manimal2878

2012-02-13 12:25:49 PM

manimal2878: meanmutton: MorePeasPlease: Incog_Neeto: As a person who owns several guns and has to deal with people like you all the time. Let me just say, nobody else gives a shiat when people mis-use clip and magazine.

I agree with your question, as you are person who encloses guns, and know what you are hearing about.

Language changes over time. Get over it. There isn't a single person in this country who has seen a semiautomatic pistol who would be confused if you said "put the bullets in the clip and put the clip in the gun". Now, they might not know how to do that but they would certainly know what you meant.

The problem is akin to sailing, sure you could say pull the rope and bring sail in, except you don't, there is a proper terminology that is more efficient because it is more ~~efficient~~t accurate, you say bring in the mainsell sheet, that way people don't yank on the jib line.

boozehat

2012-02-13 12:28:20 PM

the range near me (san diego) requires you to have your own gun before renting one, or else you need to come to the range with a friend.

the idea there is to discourage people from shooting themselves in front of friends / family (and why would you rent a gun to kill yourself if you already owned a gun).

.... and yes, they do charge by the bullet.

Ashtrey

2012-02-13 12:31:24 PM

Inigo: Dammit, Case

No one else came here to say something similar? Really?

Loki-L

2012-02-13 12:35:19 PM

TravisBickle62: Cybernetic: TravisBickle62: If you are a clerk at a gun range and you see some guy preparing to shoot himself, so you pull out your own gun and shoot the guy yourself to prevent him from shooting himself, have you committed a crime or are you off the hook because you were trying to prevent the commission of a crime?

That depends. Did you kill him, or just wing him?

If you kill him, does that count as assisted suicide?

I mean to shoot him in the right shoulder, to disarm him, but my aim was off and instead I shot him through the right eyeball, killing him instantly.

I think it is a lot harder to reliably use a firearm non-lethally than Hollywood makes it seem. Humans can be remarkably fragile or robust from individual to individual. Someone might by a miracle survive being shot in the head while others die from what looks like a scratch. In addition to the whole liability thing there is also the whole problem of opening fire on an armed and unstable individual without proper self-preservation instincts. Rather than being jailed or sued or shot at, I would suggest taking cover and letting the problem work itself out. You might still get sued for not having done enough to stop the person, but you are at least unlikely to go to jail or get shot at by a suicidal crazy person.

BravadoGT

2012-02-13 12:35:31 PM

The_Sponge: IIRC, Wade's Gun Shop & Range in Bellevue had two suicides in the past.

They should at least be able to capitalize on the selfish bastards. Zombie/ghost targets in their images, for example...

"Joe Blow left this mortal coil after putting a 9mm through his brain right there in lane 2....but did he really leave? Send him to hell with our new splatter ghost targets! $5 each...."

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen

2012-02-13 12:39:19 PM

I'd love to see the Venn diagram overlap of the following groups:

- Those who jump down the throat of anyone who misuses magazine/clip "because words have meaning, damnit!".
- Those who call Obama a socialist.

Mayhem of the Black Underclass

2012-02-13 12:43:29 PM

aninconvenienterection: monoski: I have a friend who went into a gun store and brought a clip with bullets in it along with him then tried to shoot himself in the store (since he was already banned from owning his own) the clerk jumped over the counter and wrestled the gun away, my friend got shot in the leg and 5 years in jail and Darwin was cheated out of another one.

These words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean....Link (new window)

Two things, first, it's a troll.

Second, www.blackbirdballard.com

and

are both called glasses, despite both being made without glass. So, while they are rightfully termed spectacles and tumblers respectively, you must understand that the language changes. Further the word "clip" has an onomatopoetic quality to it, demonstrating the act of loading the firearm.

If you insist on ending the use of the word "clip" to mean "magazine" your best bet would be to put forth a new word that has a similar phonic quality, like "Stick".

/Owns 6 firearms and 0 clips, smacks self in forehead when says "Clip"

aninconvenienterection

2012-02-13 12:45:34 PM

meanmutton: MorePeasPlease: Incog_Neeto: As a person who owns several guns and has to deal with people like you all the time. Let me just say, nobody else gives a shiat when people mis-use clip and magazine.

I agree with your question, as you are person who encloses guns, and know what you are hearing about.

Language changes over time. Get over it. There isn't a single person in this country who has seen a semiautomatic pistol who would be confused if you said "put the bullets in the clip and put the clip in the gun". Now, they might not know how to do that but they would certainly know what you meant.

You go ahead and call a cartridge a bullet and a magazine a clip all you like. It's OK to be lazy. You might want to drop the whole "language changes over time bit" though. The rest of us who respect firearms and do give a shiat arent buying it.

/off to load a few magazines with cartridges

monoski

2012-02-13 12:49:24 PM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: aninconvenienterection: monoski: I have a friend who went into a gun store and brought a clip with bullets in it along with him then tried to shoot himself in the store (since he was already banned from owning his own) the clerk jumped over the counter and wrestled the gun away, my friend got shot in the leg and 5 years in jail and Darwin was cheated out of another one.

These words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean....Link (new window)

Two things, first, it's a troll.

Actually not trolling and as a shotgun owner I really could not care less what you want to call it clip or magazine. I was just relaying the story of my moran friend who decided to try to kill himself with a gun store Glock.

aninconvenienterection

2012-02-13 12:53:04 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: I'd love to see the Venn diagram overlap of the following groups:

- Those who jump down the throat of anyone who misuses magazine/clip "because words have meaning, damnit!".
- Those who call Obama a socialist.

I would argue the exact opposite. I postulate that the more educated a person is the more likely they are to know why the two words are different and the more likely they are to aspire to use correct language whenever possible.

(The assumption being the more educated a person is the less like they are to call Obama a socialist, of course.)

Oznog

2012-02-13 12:58:48 PM

One rupee per arrow... it's an inexplicable credit scheme functioning through undefined mechanisms, but it still works. If you carry infinite arrows, how does a merchant know how many you fired? Sure, if it's not deducted immediately, you might simply never settle your debt with whoever makes these damn arrows, but this does nothing to answer the question of how the rupees automatically disappear when the bow's used.

JustHereForThePics

2012-02-13 01:12:50 PM

//you know, for KIDS!
_{//and I may or may not be in one of those circles}

chairborne

2012-02-13 01:51:42 PM

I don't call Obama a socialist.

I never call a magazine a "clip".

do I win a cookie or something? I tend to not correct non-gun people when it comes to the proper nomenclature, but if I am dealing with someone who has an interest in firearms I always correct them. I don't really buy the linguistic slippage bit either, yes, language changes but slang is less acceptable when you are talking about mechanical nomenclature and it's a very clear distinction. Unless you own an M1 garand or a specific revolver made to accept them you likely have never put a clip into a firearm and using incorrect nomenclature indiscriminately in what is a somewhat technical field is a no no.

Noxious1

2012-02-13 01:52:26 PM

They now believe she was killed by her husband who she was married to for 15 years.

Investigators say they aren't sure how she was killed or how long the woman was left for dead in the home and they have no motive for the murder at this time.

Investigators, read the first sentence again until you figure it out.

Firethorn

2012-02-13 02:08:32 PM

ha-ha-guy: One of my local gun ranges stopped renting to non regulars after two guys blew their heads off within 3 months of each other.

I've also heard that many ranges require you to own/show up with a gun before they'll rent any to you, precisely to prevent this sort of stuff.

I'm sad, because I haven't been able to visit any ranges that rent guns as a result, as there's many who stopped or never started because of liability concerns like this.

You get to test drive cars, it'd be nice if it was easier to test drive guns.

HBK

2012-02-13 02:34:34 PM

Whatthefark: A couple of ranges around here won't let you rent a gun unless your with someone just for this reason.

That's seems like a good policy, but it can go horribly wrong (p^ also Florida).

JesseL

2012-02-13 02:52:33 PM

chairborne: Unless you own an M1 garand or a specific revolver made to accept them you likely have never put a clip into a firearm

No M1 or revolvers set up for moon clips, but I do have this:

You win one(1) free internet if you can tell the model of the firearm and what it's chambered in. Not a Mosin BTW.

JustHereForThePics

2012-02-13 03:07:04 PM

JesseL: chairborne: Unless you own an M1 garand or a specific revolver made to accept them you likely have never put a clip into a firearm

No M1 or revolvers set up for moon clips, but I do have this:
[i100.photobucket.com image 640x480]

You win one(1) free internet if you can tell the model of the firearm and what it's chambered in. Not a Mosin BTW.

Was guessing 8mm Lebel for the cartridge, but could not find a rifle chambered in it that looks comparable.

dittybopper

2012-02-13 03:20:20 PM

JustHereForThePics: JesseL: chairborne: Unless you own an M1 garand or a specific revolver made to accept them you likely have never put a clip into a firearm

No M1 or revolvers set up for moon clips, but I do have this:
[i100.photobucket.com image 640x480]

You win one(1) free internet if you can tell the model of the firearm and what it's chambered in. Not a Mosin BTW.

Was guessing 8mm Lebel for the cartridge, but could not find a rifle chambered in it that looks comparable.

Looks more like a Carcano to me. Ammo *MIGHT* be 7.35x51mm Carcano, but that's just a guess, and probably a wrong one because the shoulder angle and taper don't look right.

JesseL

2012-02-13 03:24:01 PM

JustHereForThePics: Was guessing 8mm Lebel for the cartridge, but could not find a rifle chambered in it that looks comparable.

8mm, but not Lebel.

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