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(Daily Mail) Florida "Mr Zambrana went into a closet to show Miss Kelley's boyfriend, the Reuger 9mm weapon after morning services." If you're reading this on Fark, you probably know what happened next   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 52
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2012-02-13 08:16:13 AM
someone wasnt praying hard enough.
 
2012-02-13 08:20:41 AM
The other headline was better.
 
2012-02-13 08:28:44 AM
AbbeySomeone: The other headline was better.

This.
 
2012-02-13 08:31:30 AM
She's dating a gun?
 
2012-02-13 08:40:18 AM
This is the type of stuff that happens when you choose to go to church at a converted lumber yard.
 
2012-02-13 08:42:51 AM
A Reuger? Did they buy it from a shop that also sold Pamasonic TVs and Fjord cars?
 
2012-02-13 08:56:00 AM
jbuist: A Reuger? Did they buy it from a shop that also sold Pamasonic TVs and Fjord cars?

It has Smith and Wesson guts.
 
2012-02-13 09:04:54 AM
As an aside, before anyone gets all "Hey, this is why we need stricter controls on guns!", a reminder that this is going to be one of about 600 accidental firearms deaths this year, in a country with 300 million people and upwards of 225 to 250 million guns. It's a literally one in half a million shot. More people die in bicycle accidents each year (820 in 2007) then die in firearms accidents (613 in 2007).

Source: CDC WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports
 
2012-02-13 09:08:27 AM
Have a little sympathy here. Just imagine the stigmata this family will have to endure.
 
2012-02-13 09:11:13 AM
Why did he have a gun in church?
 
2012-02-13 09:22:02 AM
Around 12:30 p.m., the gun accidentally went off,

No it didn't, that is pure negligence there. He removed the magazine but not the round in the chamber - negligent. He didn't keep his bugger hook off of the bang switch - negligent. He didn't keep the muzzle pointed away from where people might be (towards the floor or ceiling would have been better, ceiling only if the floor is concrete) - negligent.

In perhaps 1 of 10,000 cases (100,000? More?) is a shooting ever accidental, in essentially every case it is through negligence of one form or another.

/c&p from the better headlined thread...
//quote is from other the article too but it still applies
 
2012-02-13 09:33:58 AM
Recoil Therapy: He didn't keep his bugger hook off of the bang switch - negligent.

I'm willing to grant him a presidential pardon if it can be shown that he indeed was able to accidentally fire the weapon with his tiny, deformed penis.
 
2012-02-13 09:33:59 AM
AbbeySomeone: Why did he have a gun in church?

Sometimes, bad people go into churches and shoot innocent people.

Besides which, it used to be the law that you were required to bring a gun to church, and you could be fined for not doing so.
 
2012-02-13 09:34:54 AM
Recoil Therapy: No it didn't, that is pure negligence there. He removed the magazine but not the round in the chamber - negligent.

This. He didn't properly clear the gun.
 
2012-02-13 09:37:29 AM
dittybopper: Besides which, it used to be the law that you were required to bring a gun to church, and you could be fined for not doing so.

boingboing.net
 
2012-02-13 09:59:49 AM
doglover: I'm willing to grant him a presidential pardon if it can be shown that he indeed was able to accidentally fire the weapon with his tiny, deformed penis.

Yeah, yeah ...early, lack of coffee (negligence on my part...)
, etc, etc, etc

/need to go find a picture of Johnny Fever hollering booger into the mike
//his firearm skills seemed excellent if you ever saw the Hold Up episode. After he took the .45 from Bobby Boogie he cleared it in a very safe, efficient manner. Obviously not his first time.
 
2012-02-13 10:09:21 AM
Recoil Therapy: //his firearm skills seemed excellent if you ever saw the Hold Up episode. After he took the .45 from Bobby Boogie he cleared it in a very safe, efficient manner. Obviously not his first time.

Ah, here it is (new window - Hulu). Starting about 21:00 in.
 
2012-02-13 10:17:09 AM
Guns are awesome. We need more idiots taking their guns to church in Florida.
 
2012-02-13 10:26:03 AM
He fixes the cable?
 
2012-02-13 10:30:03 AM
"Mr Zambrana went into a closet to show Miss Kelley's boyfriend, the Reuger 9mm weapon after morning services." If you're reading this on Fark, you probably know what happened next

Woah, dude... how'd you know I was reading this Fark headline on Fark? Are you a wizard?
 
2012-02-13 10:32:33 AM
SnarfVader: AbbeySomeone: The other headline was better.

This.


What was the other headline? "God strikes down pastor's daughter in his church"?
 
2012-02-13 10:34:13 AM
cdn.chud.com
 
2012-02-13 10:34:59 AM
BurnShrike: What was the other headline? "God strikes down pastor's daughter in his church"?

If you look quick it is also on the Main page...
 
2012-02-13 10:39:30 AM
Recoil Therapy: Around 12:30 p.m., the gun accidentally went off,

No it didn't, that is pure negligence there. He removed the magazine but not the round in the chamber - negligent. He didn't keep his bugger hook off of the bang switch - negligent. He didn't keep the muzzle pointed away from where people might be (towards the floor or ceiling would have been better, ceiling only if the floor is concrete) - negligent.

In perhaps 1 of 10,000 cases (100,000? More?) is a shooting ever accidental, in essentially every case it is through negligence of one form or another.

/c&p from the better headlined thread...
//quote is from other the article too but it still applies


Yep, first rule of gun safety
Even if you know there is not a bullet in the chamber, treat the gun as if there is a bullet in the chamber.
 
2012-02-13 10:48:22 AM
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw Bueller's girlfriend get shot at the Grace Connection Church last night! I guess it's pretty serious.
 
2012-02-13 10:58:21 AM
What's a Reuger?
 
2012-02-13 10:59:24 AM
If she dies, the guy should be charged with negligent homicide. How can you not properly clear a gun? It's a farking two step process. 1. Drop magazine. 2. Pull back the slide and eject anything in the chamber. This guy is an idiot.
 
2012-02-13 11:00:07 AM
Well a Reuger's not a gun, so I'm assuming that he then fixed the cable?
 
2012-02-13 11:00:53 AM
Well, he did clear the chamber.
 
2012-02-13 11:04:05 AM
Cereal Fetish: My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw Bueller's girlfriend get shot at the Grace Connection Church last night! I guess it's pretty serious.

Thank you Simone.
 
2012-02-13 11:05:53 AM
dittybopper: As an aside, before anyone gets all "Hey, this is why we need stricter controls on guns!", a reminder that this is going to be one of about 600 accidental firearms deaths this year, in a country with 300 million people and upwards of 225 to 250 million guns. It's a literally one in half a million shot. More people die in bicycle accidents each year (820 in 2007) then die in firearms accidents (613 in 2007).

Source: CDC WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports


Nope, no stricter gun control laws. The solution is simple.

1. Stop taking your guns to church.
2. If you absolutely feel you need your gun in church, don't pull it out in church.
3. If you are an idiot who doesn't know how to handle a gun, don't.
4. The biggest improvement to gun ownership laws would be, "Don't sell guns to farking morons."

That pretty much covers it.

Another wonderful story about dorks with guns. This wasn't an "accident." Some dumb motherfarker pulled that trigger.

I was just told that most new guns have a magazine safety disconnect. So, if they had removed the magazine, then that gun should not have fired. Somebody was doing something very, very stupid.
 
2012-02-13 11:07:17 AM
Click Click D'oh: What's a Reuger?

Isn't that a collage or some sort of News organization?
 
2012-02-13 11:08:31 AM
dittybopper: Cereal Fetish: My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw Bueller's girlfriend get shot at the Grace Connection Church last night! I guess it's pretty serious.

Thank you Simone.


No problem whatsoever.
 
2012-02-13 11:11:43 AM
doglover: dittybopper: Besides which, it used to be the law that you were required to bring a gun to church, and you could be fined for not doing so.

[boingboing.net image 450x578]


It is His load, and he must Barrett...
 
2012-02-13 11:13:42 AM
iaazathot: 4. The biggest improvement to gun ownership laws would be, "Don't sell guns to farking morons."

But then how would Hi-Point stay in business?!?
 
2012-02-13 11:17:29 AM
imaconnect4guy: If she dies, the guy should be charged with negligent homicide. How can you not properly clear a gun? It's a farking two step process. 1. Drop magazine. 2. Pull back the slide and eject anything in the chamber. This guy is an idiot.

But so easy to get the order of those steps mixed up if you're a simpleton.
 
2012-02-13 11:21:55 AM
tkohl: doglover: dittybopper: Besides which, it used to be the law that you were required to bring a gun to church, and you could be fined for not doing so.

[boingboing.net image 450x578]

It is His load, and he must Barrett...


And of course, the .50 BMG was designed by out Lord and Savior, John Moses Browning.
 
2012-02-13 11:22:00 AM
iaazathot: I was just told that most new guns have a magazine safety disconnect.

No, not really. A few guns have them, but not most.
 
2012-02-13 11:30:26 AM
iaazathot: I was just told that most new guns have a magazine safety disconnect.

You've been misinformed. In fact, the 'installed base' of guns without them is so great, and guns last so long (unlike, say, cars), that even if you required it today, it would be something like 25 years before the majority of handguns in circulation had them. One could argue that requiring them might result in a slight increase in accidental shootings, because someone who has only handled a gun with such a disconnect might not be safe when handling a gun without one.

So, if they had removed the magazine, then that gun should not have fired.


Even if it had a magazine disconnect, they can fail, so you shouldn't depend on them.

Somebody was doing something very, very stupid.


On this, we can agree.
 
2012-02-13 11:43:13 AM
Police say Moises Zambrana was showing his gun in a small closet to two other church members when it fired



I bet he did. Nasty!

and he's what a cop? He's dressed like one. How the FARK does he not know about the other round? He should be fired.
 
2012-02-13 11:50:52 AM
dittybopper: Recoil Therapy: No it didn't, that is pure negligence there. He removed the magazine but not the round in the chamber - negligent.

This. He didn't properly clear the gun.


Ba-bing! No matter if Jesus himself clears the gun in front of you before he hands it over, you always clear it. Should be force of habit.

remember, Jesus can resurrect in three days - you have to wait for Armageddon to re-spawn.
 
2012-02-13 11:55:44 AM
Someone blew their load?
 
2012-02-13 12:04:31 PM
The 4chan Psychiatrist: iaazathot: 4. The biggest improvement to gun ownership laws would be, "Don't sell guns to farking morons."

But then how would Hi-Point stay in business?!?


LOL, mine has a magazine disconnect.....
 
2012-02-13 12:07:09 PM
AbbeySomeone: The other headline was better.

The other headline was from an actual American paper.

Daily Mail, keep to your side of the ocean.
 
2012-02-13 12:17:43 PM
Recoil Therapy: Around 12:30 p.m., the gun accidentally went off,

No it didn't, that is pure negligence there. He removed the magazine but not the round in the chamber - negligent. He didn't keep his bugger hook off of the bang switch - negligent. He didn't keep the muzzle pointed away from where people might be (towards the floor or ceiling would have been better, ceiling only if the floor is concrete) - negligent.


THIS, again... THIS

Can't say it enough. You NEVER point a gun at another person unless you EXPECT to discharge it. Or where another person MIGHT be. Idiot
 
2012-02-13 02:13:47 PM
Always a head shot during the accidents. You know, It seems like in a confrontation, when you want to hit something, you can empty the magazine and not hit a thing. But then later when you are just looking at the gun, boom, center forehead by accident.

I swear it's like if I ever had a home invasion from 5 armed thugs, I would just take the magazine out my pistol and casually start cleaning it. It sounds like random accidental shots would fell everyone in the room.
 
2012-02-13 02:21:57 PM
The Loaf: This is the type of stuff that happens when you choose to go to church at a converted lumber yard.

Or go to church.
 
2012-02-13 03:59:31 PM
Recoil Therapy: Around 12:30 p.m., the gun accidentally went off,

No it didn't, that is pure negligence there. He removed the magazine but not the round in the chamber - negligent. He didn't keep his bugger hook off of the bang switch - negligent. He didn't keep the muzzle pointed away from where people might be (towards the floor or ceiling would have been better, ceiling only if the floor is concrete) - negligent.

In perhaps 1 of 10,000 cases (100,000? More?) is a shooting ever accidental, in essentially every case it is through negligence of one form or another.

/c&p from the better headlined thread...
//quote is from other the article too but it still applies


Would it be fair to say that the only REAL accidental shooting is a freak ricochette? I've heard of that happening.
 
2012-02-13 04:05:27 PM
Ambivalence: Would it be fair to say that the only REAL accidental shooting is a freak ricochette? I've heard of that happening.

No, that's still negligence.

Mechanical failure of the firearm resulting in discharge is an accidental discharge. For example, a rounded sear on a 1911 results in the hammer dropping and the gun discharges.

Or in the case of a Japanese Type 14 somebody looks at it funny and it goes off.
 
2012-02-13 04:13:54 PM
jbuist: Mechanical failure of the firearm resulting in discharge is an accidental discharge. For example, a rounded sear on a 1911 results in the hammer dropping and the gun discharges.

I once had an original (manufactured pre-WWI) 1911 go cyclic on me. I had it pointed in a safe direction when it happened (because I was shooting it at the time, duh).

It was an interesting experience.
 
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