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2012-02-13 10:52:29 AM  
In other news, water is still wet, the earth continues to rotate about its axis, plants found converting CO2 to O2.
 
2012-02-13 11:24:05 AM  
Probably gonna get thrown out. Should have cited 0 - 9 instead.
 
2012-02-13 11:25:38 AM  
They may have a point. I saw one of those things recently and I'll be damned if they didn't just go right ahead and make that thing rectangular as it could be. Didn't even try to hide it.
 
2012-02-13 11:27:27 AM  

JohnBigBootay: They may have a point. I saw one of those things recently and I'll be damned if they didn't just go right ahead and make that thing rectangular as it could be. Didn't even try to hide it.


Bastards put corners on it too.
 
2012-02-13 11:28:40 AM  
I think Apple may have some merit. I mean, my old Nexus One took calls and sent text messages. I even was able to listen to music on it.
 
2012-02-13 11:31:17 AM  
I hear the screen responds to touch, too. Is there no justice?
 
2012-02-13 11:38:28 AM  
I think there should be a statute of limitations put on patents.

If a company infringes on another companys patents and they do not take action after it can be reasonably proven that they have been aware for 6 months or more, they should have no rights to take up a lawsuit on it.

Seriously, Apple knew that android used all of the features they are now suing for when it was introduced, they knew about it for years, only now when Android is drop kicking them in the mobile OS market nuts are they taking legal action. Thats total BS.

You file a patent on technology because you want to license who uses it and who does not, not so you can sue people down the road when they become a threat.
 
2012-02-13 11:39:02 AM  
FTA: The fruity firm filed in California, saying that "a preliminary injunction regarding Samsung's new Galaxy Nexus, which infringes multiple key Apple patents, is essential to prevent immediate and irreparable harm to Apple".

OH NOES! Apple will only make $11B instead of $13B in the 3rd quarter of 2012 when it releases its iPhone 5!

And its $100B in cash reserves will only grow to $150B by the end of the year! THE HORROR! Won't someone think of the children of Apple executives and shareholders??
 
2012-02-13 11:41:52 AM  
Is Apple getting their own tab now?
 
2012-02-13 11:45:20 AM  
They better sue LG/Google/T-mobile too. My G2X does all of those things as well.
 
2012-02-13 11:47:11 AM  
Apple is run by scumbags. Always has been, always will be.

People like to bash Microsoft for being evil, but they have NOTHING on Apple. Apple has a real streak of contempt for its customers, and for the rest of the technology world in general.
 
2012-02-13 11:47:51 AM  

ToastTheRabbit: You file a patent on technology because you want to license who uses it and who does not, not so you can sue people down the road when they become a threat.


Looks like someone didn't attend Stanford.
 
2012-02-13 11:48:23 AM  

realmolo: Apple is run by scumbags. Always has been, always will be.

People like to bash Microsoft for being evil, but they have NOTHING on Apple. Apple has a real streak of contempt for its customers, and for the rest of the technology world in general.


Who can argue with such specific evidence?
 
2012-02-13 11:55:24 AM  

ToastTheRabbit: I think there should be a statute of limitations put on patents.

If a company infringes on another companys patents and they do not take action after it can be reasonably proven that they have been aware for 6 months or more, they should have no rights to take up a lawsuit on it.

Seriously, Apple knew that android used all of the features they are now suing for when it was introduced...


From the article:
"The fruity firm filed in California, saying that "a preliminary injunction regarding Samsung's new Galaxy Nexus, which infringes multiple key Apple patents, is essential to prevent immediate and irreparable harm to Apple"... Apple is fighting the Ice Cream Sandwich-loaded Nexus over four patents: predictive text; a data-tapper feature, which recognises data such as phone numbers and provides a link directly to the dialler, for example; a voice search feature that Apple believes is imitative of Siri; and the popular using-an-image-to-unlock feature."

Ice Cream Sandwich Release Date: October 19, 2011
Galaxy Nexus US Release Date: December 15, 2011
 
2012-02-13 12:03:35 PM  
a voice search feature that Apple believes is imitative of Siri

lol
 
2012-02-13 12:08:54 PM  
I have an iJesusPhone 4, and both my parents have the Galaxy Nexus. Apple is full of shiat. Actually, Apple is making it more likely that I will not be getting another iJesusPhone in 2013 with all this bullshiat. iOS 5 was not revolutionary, it was lame. Android has more going for it WITHOUT rooting it, than the iJesusPhone does. Also, it's much easier to root an Android device than it is to jailbreak an iJesusPhone.
 
2012-02-13 12:09:23 PM  
In the future all mobile hand held telecommunications devices will be iPhones.
 
2012-02-13 12:12:03 PM  
/[0-9a-z]+/gi
 
2012-02-13 12:18:06 PM  
My headline was submitted yesterday and was better.

"Apple seeks to block sales of the Samsung Galaxy Nexus in court. These mobile intellectual property wars have gotten... *takes off sunglasses*... patently insane"

/Apple needs to be broken up a-la Microsoft
 
2012-02-13 12:19:30 PM  

Pick: In the future all mobile hand held telecommunications devices will be iPhones.


And all Facebook check-ins will be at Taco Bell.
 
2012-02-13 12:21:59 PM  

Theaetetus: ToastTheRabbit: I think there should be a statute of limitations put on patents.

If a company infringes on another companys patents and they do not take action after it can be reasonably proven that they have been aware for 6 months or more, they should have no rights to take up a lawsuit on it.

Seriously, Apple knew that android used all of the features they are now suing for when it was introduced...

From the article:
"The fruity firm filed in California, saying that "a preliminary injunction regarding Samsung's new Galaxy Nexus, which infringes multiple key Apple patents, is essential to prevent immediate and irreparable harm to Apple"... Apple is fighting the Ice Cream Sandwich-loaded Nexus over four patents: predictive text; a data-tapper feature, which recognises data such as phone numbers and provides a link directly to the dialler, for example; a voice search feature that Apple believes is imitative of Siri; and the popular using-an-image-to-unlock feature."

Ice Cream Sandwich Release Date: October 19, 2011
Galaxy Nexus US Release Date: December 15, 2011


You might be right, but if memory serves, they have been suing for things like Slide to unlock, phsyical design, the speaker grill design etc... which is where my rant comes from. Face unlock can DIAF, its a novelty that nobody really cares about.

My issue with Apple AND Google is this constant patent battle. At this point it looks like they are playing Mutually Assured Destruction (insert War Games reference anyone?) And its BS. There needs to be SOME sanity to these patent laws.

It would be like me finding a garage band that used my name "Toast the Rabbit", feeling honored then suing them 10 years down the road when they had a hit record. I think I should lose the ability to dispute the use of my name after reasonably being aware of it for a certain length of time.
 
2012-02-13 12:22:51 PM  

realmolo: People like to bash Microsoft for being evil, but they have NOTHING on Apple. Apple has a real streak of contempt for its customers, and for the rest of the technology world in general.


I don't think it's that Microsoft is less evil, it's that Apple is more overtly evil because, at the end of the day, nobody cares. Apple's executives know that they could make their products from sacrificed puppies and babies' tongues, make it a selling point, and the public would still gobble them up like Thin Mints. Why bother hiding what doesn't need to be hidden?
 
2012-02-13 12:25:48 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: a voice search feature that Apple believes is imitative of Siri

lol


Yeah that made me lol in real life too. REALLY, Apple? You're going to pull THIS card?
 
2012-02-13 12:27:31 PM  
Whats with all the Business links in the Geek tab?
 
2012-02-13 12:30:33 PM  

tortilla burger: HotWingConspiracy: a voice search feature that Apple believes is imitative of Siri

lol

Yeah that made me lol in real life too. REALLY, Apple? You're going to pull THIS card?


Of course they are. They're a company driven by Tim Cook, a man determined to fulfill Steve Jobs' dying wish of seeing the iPhone become a monopoly.

Again, it's time for Apple to be broken up. Hardware, software (iOS, OS X), and services (iTunes, App Store, etc.).
 
2012-02-13 12:30:34 PM  

ToastTheRabbit: My issue with Apple AND Google is this constant patent battle. At this point it looks like they are playing Mutually Assured Destruction (insert War Games reference anyone?) And its BS. There needs to be SOME sanity to these patent laws.


You're telling that to thaeteutus? Dude - you're arguing with a True Believer. It's my understanding the man thinks apple's patent cases have merit but the cases against apple do not.
 
2012-02-13 12:32:25 PM  

tortilla burger: HotWingConspiracy: a voice search feature that Apple believes is imitative of Siri

lol

Yeah that made me lol in real life too. REALLY, Apple? You're going to pull THIS card?


It's like they have never seen an Android phone before.
 
2012-02-13 12:35:05 PM  

Marine1: "Apple seeks to block sales of the Samsung Galaxy Nexus in court. These mobile intellectual property wars have gotten... *takes off sunglasses*... patently insane"


YYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!
 
2012-02-13 12:36:07 PM  

Grither: Marine1: "Apple seeks to block sales of the Samsung Galaxy Nexus in court. These mobile intellectual property wars have gotten... *takes off sunglasses*... patently insane"

YYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Thank you.

 
2012-02-13 12:39:19 PM  

realmolo: People like to bash Microsoft for being evil, but they have NOTHING on Apple. Apple has a real streak of contempt for its customers, and for the rest of the technology world in general.


Please tell me where Apple behaved in a manner found illegal on two continents, where Apple used vapourware to put other companies out of business or indeed, more recently, where Apple front loaded the ISO standard committees to pass a standard half of which is "this is a binary blob and (C)" and never implemented it. I'll take bonus points for you pointing out where Apple have had a stated policy of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

Now if you want to take the stick out of your ass and have a sensible discussion on patent law reforms I'm all for it; however bouncing up and down about how Apple are far more evil than the beast of Redmond is just making you look retarded.
 
2012-02-13 12:49:59 PM  

Vaneshi: realmolo: People like to bash Microsoft for being evil, but they have NOTHING on Apple. Apple has a real streak of contempt for its customers, and for the rest of the technology world in general.

Please tell me where Apple behaved in a manner found illegal on two continents, where Apple used vapourware to put other companies out of business or indeed, more recently, where Apple front loaded the ISO standard committees to pass a standard half of which is "this is a binary blob and (C)" and never implemented it. I'll take bonus points for you pointing out where Apple have had a stated policy of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

Now if you want to take the stick out of your ass and have a sensible discussion on patent law reforms I'm all for it; however bouncing up and down about how Apple are far more evil than the beast of Redmond is just making you look retarded.


What's worse: a company that can be punished for its anticompetitive behavior, or one that can get away with it by abusing the patent system? I'd say the latter.
 
2012-02-13 12:57:52 PM  
FTFA:

Apple is fighting the Ice Cream Sandwich-loaded Nexus over four patents: predictive text;

Um, don't all Android phones have predictive text? I start typing in a word on my HTC EVO and the software pops up with suggested words.

a data-tapper feature, which recognises data such as phone numbers and provides a link directly to the dialler

Um, again, my HTC EVO does this with my Facebook friends and their phone numbers listed in their info. It also does this if I go to google and do a search for a local business, and google lists their address (which I can click on and either use my GPS app will set the address as a location to drive to, or add the address to a contact), and their phone number (which I can click and have my phone call that number).

"a voice search feature that Apple believes is imitative of Siri"

My HTC EVO has a Siri-like app that pretty much imitates what Siri does. I like the speech-recognition/speech-to-text side of the app. I can text while driving without actually typing anything (hands-free texting)

and the popular using-an-image-to-unlock feature.

I never heard of this but I have a feeling that there is probably an App out there for the Android already that does this.

Seriously, Apple is grasping at straws now.
 
2012-02-13 01:01:33 PM  
They can have my Nexus when they pry it out of my sweaty white butt.

/ics rocks
 
2012-02-13 01:08:50 PM  

Marine1:
What's worse: a company that can be punished for its anticompetitive behavior, or one that can get away with it by abusing the patent system? I'd say the latter.


I'd say the former, one operated outside the law. The other is operating inside the law. We might not like the fact that those laws can be abused in this manner but as I said, I'm all for discussing how, exactly, we reform the patent system and applicable laws to put an end to this shiat once and for all.

The fact Apple is brining Siri in to the fight is however retarded, what? Nobody thought shoving Dragon Dictate in to a phone chassis and plugging it in to a various apps before? I'd swear my N95 had voice commands.
 
2012-02-13 01:13:07 PM  

Steep Spiral: They can have my Nexus when they pry it out of my sweaty white butt.

/ics rocks


It's pretty nice. I still can't wait to see CM9.
 
2012-02-13 01:17:01 PM  

Bschott007: a data-tapper feature, which recognises data such as phone numbers and provides a link directly to the dialler

Um, again, my HTC EVO does this with my Facebook friends and their phone numbers listed in their info. It also does this if I go to google and do a search for a local business, and google lists their address (which I can click on and either use my GPS app will set the address as a location to drive to, or add the address to a contact), and their phone number (which I can click and have my phone call that number).


Even beyond that, browsers and other PC clients have been doing this with URLs for years. I don't see how matching \(?(\d{3})\)?-?(\d{3})-(\d{4}) is significantly more difficult than matching http:\/\/\S+

/those are probably wrong
//need coffee
 
2012-02-13 01:18:00 PM  
osxdaily.com

/hotlinked
 
2012-02-13 01:22:44 PM  
GameSprocket

Is Apple getting their own tab now?


Somebody is paying for all these threads, but I doubt it's Apple. The pre-fabricated opinions spouted here by paid shills and brainwashed douchebags tend to indicate that it's one of their competitors.
 
2012-02-13 01:23:38 PM  
"a data-tapper feature, which recognises data such as phone numbers "

If [input] like "*###-####*" then output= "Its a phone number" else output="Nope"

oops I just violated an Apple patent.
 
2012-02-13 01:29:44 PM  

GameSprocket: Is Apple getting their own tab now?


Wouldn't they just use iPads?
 
2012-02-13 01:30:41 PM  

ProfessorOhki: GameSprocket: Is Apple getting their own tab now?

Wouldn't they just use iPads?


*rimshot*
 
2012-02-13 01:31:56 PM  

GameSprocket: Is Apple getting their own tab now?


LOL...I came here to ask this. Jeebus Christ, Drew, can we consolidate our Apple biatching into one thread a day?
 
2012-02-13 01:36:44 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: GameSprocket: Is Apple getting their own tab now?

LOL...I came here to ask this. Jeebus Christ, Drew, can we consolidate our Apple biatching into one thread a day?


Someone is trying to get their Apple stock over $500.
 
jlt
2012-02-13 01:40:25 PM  
Heh, I just got the Samsung Galaxy Nexus last weekend so I'm getting a kick, etc...
 
2012-02-13 01:41:58 PM  

bingethinker: GameSprocket

Is Apple getting their own tab now?

Somebody is paying for all these threads, but I doubt it's Apple. The pre-fabricated opinions spouted here by paid shills and brainwashed douchebags tend to indicate that it's one of their competitors.


A bit tinfoil hatish for my tastes but some of these patents are absolutely ridiculous. The pogrom that Apple is on is just trying to hack away at the corners of Android by going after the vendors when it knows full well that a lot of the code is written by Google. In fact it is quite hipocritical of them in light of them coming to defense of small developers in the Lodsys lawsuits. Lodsys did exactly what Apple is doing now - namely going after the vendors for using a feature instead of the company that created and licensed the feature to the vendors.

Apple needs to man up and directly sue Google over Android for some $6 billion just like Oracle.
 
2012-02-13 01:45:29 PM  

GameSprocket: StoneColdAtheist: GameSprocket: Is Apple getting their own tab now?

LOL...I came here to ask this. Jeebus Christ, Drew, can we consolidate our Apple biatching into one thread a day?

Someone is trying to get their Apple stock over $500.


*checks portfolio*

Damn...Lt Dan forgot to invest in that fruit company.
 
2012-02-13 01:51:52 PM  

ToastTheRabbit: You might be right, but if memory serves, they have been suing for things like Slide to unlock, phsyical design, the speaker grill design etc... which is where my rant comes from. Face unlock can DIAF, its a novelty that nobody really cares about.


Then no one other than Apple uses face unlock, right?

My issue with Apple AND Google is this constant patent battle. At this point it looks like they are playing Mutually Assured Destruction (insert War Games reference anyone?) And its BS. There needs to be SOME sanity to these patent laws.

It would be like me finding a garage band that used my name "Toast the Rabbit", feeling honored then suing them 10 years down the road when they had a hit record. I think I should lose the ability to dispute the use of my name after reasonably being aware of it for a certain length of time.


You can. Trademark law is different from patent law.

Additionally, patent law does have something similar, the laches doctrine. It means that, for example, a patent holder may not be able to get an injunction if they wait until the infringer gets really big. Instead, they may be limited only to reasonable damages.
 
2012-02-13 01:57:52 PM  

Vaneshi: Please tell me where Apple behaved in a manner found illegal on two continents, where Apple used vapourware to put other companies out of business or indeed, more recently, where Apple front loaded the ISO standard committees to pass a standard half of which is "this is a binary blob and (C)" and never implemented it. I'll take bonus points for you pointing out where Apple have had a stated policy of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.



Give it a rest. Apple's fun with patents was one of the major influences behind Microsoft's behavior in the 90's after Apple agreed to a license with Microsoft and then, after running into headwinds whilst Windows surged in popularity, tried to sue Microsoft into oblivion with a $4 Billion infringement claim. The fact that Google and Samsung reached similar commercial accommodations with Apple, supporting the launch of their own product lines, only to be sued by Apple once those lines become serious competitors shouldn't be a surprise. This pattern has already been played out by Apple and defending their behavior (through deflection as you are doing) of competition via litigation instead of innovation is sad.
 
2012-02-13 02:05:41 PM  
You know, I'm still not sure why Apple likes to mess with Samsung so much. I mean, they manufacturer all the A5s that are the core of the new iPhone/iPad lines and the A4s that were the older versions... and the iPods... and the Apple TV.

Seems like they'd better off going after HTC or anyone else who didn't happen to have a stranglehold on their supply chain?
 
2012-02-13 02:11:44 PM  

ToastTheRabbit: I think there should be a statute of limitations put on patents.

If a company infringes on another companys patents and they do not take action after it can be reasonably proven that they have been aware for 6 months or more, they should have no rights to take up a lawsuit on it.

Seriously, Apple knew that android used all of the features they are now suing for when it was introduced, they knew about it for years, only now when Android is drop kicking them in the mobile OS market nuts are they taking legal action. Thats total BS.

You file a patent on technology because you want to license who uses it and who does not, not so you can sue people down the road when they become a threat.


Yeah, sue them right away. Like Microsoft did.
 
2012-02-13 02:13:55 PM  

realmolo: Apple is run by scumbags. Always has been, always will be.

People like to bash Microsoft for being evil, but they have NOTHING on Apple. Apple has a real streak of contempt for its customers, and for the rest of the technology world in general.


t3.gstatic.com

This just in, apple is far more evil than Microsoft, water is wet, Fox News is a ridiculously biased entertainment medium and should not be considered actual news, the mayans didnt predict the world would end in 2012, and some people dont like cilantro.
 
2012-02-13 02:15:32 PM  
IP law destroying competition one lawsuit at a time.
 
2012-02-13 02:16:40 PM  

ThrowawayVote: [osxdaily.com image 580x812]

/hotlinked




The Electrovoya SC4000 Windows Tablet, circa 2008:


www.tabletpcreview.com

www.blogcdn.com
 
2012-02-13 02:17:23 PM  

ISO15693: realmolo: Apple is run by scumbags. Always has been, always will be.

People like to bash Microsoft for being evil, but they have NOTHING on Apple. Apple has a real streak of contempt for its customers, and for the rest of the technology world in general.

[t3.gstatic.com image 267x189]

This just in, apple is far more evil than Microsoft, water is wet, Fox News is a ridiculously biased entertainment medium and should not be considered actual news, the mayans didnt predict the world would end in 2012, and some people dont like cilantro.


Yes, but some people DO like cilantro. So there you have it.

/Likes cilantro
//But only in limited quantities
///Especially on street tacos
 
2012-02-13 02:19:00 PM  

ISO15693: ...and some people dont like cilantro.


I'm calling shenanigans.
 
2012-02-13 02:31:19 PM  

Vaneshi: Marine1:
What's worse: a company that can be punished for its anticompetitive behavior, or one that can get away with it by abusing the patent system? I'd say the latter.

I'd say the former, one operated outside the law. The other is operating inside the law. We might not like the fact that those laws can be abused in this manner but as I said, I'm all for discussing how, exactly, we reform the patent system and applicable laws to put an end to this shiat once and for all.

The fact Apple is brining Siri in to the fight is however retarded, what? Nobody thought shoving Dragon Dictate in to a phone chassis and plugging it in to a various apps before? I'd swear my N95 had voice commands.


1. Legality != morality. We could discuss reforming the patent system all day long, but what we are talking about it is Apple is acting (evil,shiatty,greedy,etc...). That is completely independent of laws.
Is speeding morally worse than being a belligerent but non violent drunk?

2. If your profession is even tangentially related to software or hardware development, unless you work directly for apple, you should be very farking scared at what apple is doing.
 
2012-02-13 02:35:22 PM  

rthanu: 2. If your profession is even tangentially related to software or hardware development, unless you work directly for apple, you should be very farking scared at what apple is doing.


Oh, yeah. Thank God no companies have ever tried to minimize what they have to pay for software development.
 
2012-02-13 02:40:19 PM  

GameSprocket: rthanu: 2. If your profession is even tangentially related to software or hardware development, unless you work directly for apple, you should be very farking scared at what apple is doing.

Oh, yeah. Thank God no companies have ever tried to minimize what they have to pay for software development.


Thank God that your statement is relevant to what I said.
 
2012-02-13 03:04:36 PM  

ToastTheRabbit: I think there should be a statute of limitations put on patents.


These particular patents were trolls right from the very start, they were meritless trolls thirty seconds from filing just as much as they're meritless trolls now. A faster expiration date wouldn't really fix the fundamental problem here, which is that Apple is doing the equivalent of a car company claiming that you can't use your car because they made 23" winshield wipers first. Sure, maybe that's true and everyone else has been using 22" wipers, but the extra inch did not consitute an original development that no one ever thought of, prior art or not, it was basically inevitable that eventually someone would make a big enough front window to need one.
 
2012-02-13 03:06:01 PM  

tricycleracer: Pick: In the future all mobile hand held telecommunications devices will be iPhones.

And all Facebook check-ins will be at Taco Bell.


I had to enhance my calm after reading that.
 
2012-02-13 03:15:50 PM  

RolandGunner: ThrowawayVote: [osxdaily.com image 580x812]

/hotlinked

The Electrovoya SC4000 Windows Tablet, circa 2008:


[www.tabletpcreview.com image 300x238]

[www.blogcdn.com image 152x156]


www.tabletpcreview.com

0.tqn.com
 
2012-02-13 03:20:19 PM  
The iPhone and iPad-maker is claiming that Samsung is using a "follower" strategy to steal market share from Apple, knowing that customers often stay with their first smartphone OS because it's a pain in the a** to switch. Apple asserts that the Korean firm doesn't mind having to fork out on these patent infringement cases because the damage to Apple's market share will already have be done.


Wait, so Apple is arguing that Samsung is trying to unfairly take market share from them by watching what Apple does and then doing that themselves when they release their own phones later... and this is both unfair and successful because people tend to stay with the first phone OS - which in this case would be the iPhone since they come out first.

Uhhhh... OK. Thanks for making my brain hurt.

This lawsuit reeks of fear and anti-competitive behavior. They see Samsung and other Android phone makers competing products, and being very successful at it, and they are suing to block them rather than competing.

I upgraded from my old Samsung Blackjack to an iPhone 3G, which I thought was the best smartphone on the market then. When I replaced my iPhone 3G I switched to an HTC EVO 4G, because it had compelling features that I couldn't get on an iPhone. My wife got an iPhone 4 because I thought it would be easier for her to master. At this point though, Android has improved so much that I'm no longer worried about her being lost and having trouble figuring it out.

I'll be getting both my wife and I new phones in the fall and as things currently stand it looks likely that they will be Android phones (long time and a lot of new phone announcements between now and then though). If they keep this petty anti-competitive BS up instead of just innovating then they'll guarantee that our next phones are not Apple.

And I love the list of stuff that they're accusing Samsung of having copied from them... I love it because those are all things that pre-dated the iPhone, so Apple is really complaining that someone is copying the things that they copied. For instance... predictive text I had on my Windows Mobile phone, years before Apple even jumped in to the market. Siri was not the first voice search app, and Google had voice command functionality in Android phones before Apple even bought Siri from the company that wrote the old app that they bought (and then retroactively killed on handsets they didn't want people to keep using in order to try and force them to upgrade) The "data-tapper" feature I had on old Windows Mobile phones before Apple got into the market....
 
2012-02-13 03:22:24 PM  

Theaetetus: RolandGunner: ThrowawayVote: [osxdaily.com image 580x812]

/hotlinked

The Electrovoya SC4000 Windows Tablet, circa 2008:


[www.tabletpcreview.com image 300x238]

[www.blogcdn.com image 152x156]

[www.tabletpcreview.com image 250x293]

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Apple should patent not putting stuff on their ipad.
 
2012-02-13 03:29:17 PM  

mongbiohazard: Wait, so Apple is arguing that Samsung is trying to unfairly take market share from them by watching what Apple does and then doing that themselves when they release their own phones later... and this is both unfair and successful because people tend to stay with the first phone OS - which in this case would be the iPhone since they come out first.

Uhhhh... OK. Thanks for making my brain hurt.


That should only make your brain hurt if everyone in the US had already bought an iPhone prior to Samsung's releasing their phone. Not just 100% of sales, but 100% of the potential market. If there were people who hadn't bought a phone yet, then they could go either way, potentially buying the Samsung as their first phone... which they would then stay with.

mongbiohazard: And I love the list of stuff that they're accusing Samsung of having copied from them... I love it because those are all things that pre-dated the iPhone, so Apple is really complaining that someone is copying the things that they copied. For instance... predictive text I had on my Windows Mobile phone, years before Apple even jumped in to the market. Siri was not the first voice search app, and Google had voice command functionality in Android phones before Apple even bought Siri from the company that wrote the old app that they bought (and then retroactively killed on handsets they didn't want people to keep using in order to try and force them to upgrade) The "data-tapper" feature I had on old Windows Mobile phones before Apple got into the market....


Patents aren't defined by the titles, or someone's two word description of them. Like, the Amazon "one-click" patent really wasn't a patent on clicking once. The only part of the patent that has legal weight is the claims, and if Apple's patent claims include limitations that were new and nonobvious, then they're valid, even if the broad concept of "voice commands" had existed previously.

For example, Ferdinand Verbiest built a steam-powered vehicle in 1672. That doesn't mean that Toyota can't get a patent on the Prius hybrid drive. It does mean that they can't get a patent that just says "a vehicle".
 
2012-02-13 03:36:35 PM  

rthanu: Theaetetus: RolandGunner: ThrowawayVote: [osxdaily.com image 580x812]

/hotlinked

The Electrovoya SC4000 Windows Tablet, circa 2008:


[www.tabletpcreview.com image 300x238]

[www.blogcdn.com image 152x156]

[www.tabletpcreview.com image 250x293]

[0.tqn.com image 345x562]

Apple should patent not putting stuff on their ipad.


They do. Why do you think they use proprietary ports for everything :)
 
2012-02-13 03:51:51 PM  

Marine1: My headline was submitted yesterday and was better.

"Apple seeks to block sales of the Samsung Galaxy Nexus in court. These mobile intellectual property wars have gotten... *takes off sunglasses*... patently insane"

/Apple needs to be broken up a-la Microsoft


No it doesn't the Patent office needs to be broken up. In fact Patents shouldn't exist except in rare circumstances. If somebody creates a competing product then improve yours and compete for customers, don't biatch to the government to give you a government protected monopoly. A free market requires open competition in order to work correctly.
 
2012-02-13 03:56:27 PM  

Marine1: My headline was submitted yesterday and was better.

"Apple seeks to block sales of the Samsung Galaxy Nexus in court. These mobile intellectual property wars have gotten... *takes off sunglasses*... patently insane"

/Apple needs to be broken up a-la Microsoft


No, it doesn't. The United States Patent and Trademark Office needs to be broken up. In fact, patents shouldn't exist except in rare circumstances. If a competitor creates a competing product, then one should improve one's own efforts and compete for customers. One should not biatch to the government to give one a government protected monopoly. A free market requires open competition in order to work correctly. If you agree, then please vote this post as "smart".
 
2012-02-13 03:59:12 PM  

Theaetetus: Marine1: My headline was submitted yesterday and was better.

"Apple seeks to block sales of the Samsung Galaxy Nexus in court. These mobile intellectual property wars have gotten... *takes off sunglasses*... patently insane"

/Apple needs to be broken up a-la Microsoft

No, it doesn't. The United States Patent and Trademark Office needs to be broken up. In fact, patents shouldn't exist except in rare circumstances. If a competitor creates a competing product, then one should improve one's own efforts and compete for customers. One should not biatch to the government to give one a government protected monopoly. A free market requires open competition in order to work correctly. If you agree, then please vote this post as "smart".


I agree, but no.
 
2012-02-13 04:05:57 PM  
I wish car companies would start these types of lawsuits.

"Your honor, Ford is copying our patented idea of having blue tinted lights in the glove compartment, so you should ban all their cars."

I ask again; why is this vague bullshiat even patentable?
 
2012-02-13 04:08:28 PM  

Theaetetus: That should only make your brain hurt if everyone in the US had already bought an iPhone prior to Samsung's releasing their phone. Not just 100% of sales, but 100% of the potential market. If there were people who hadn't bought a phone yet, then they could go either way, potentially buying the Samsung as their first phone... which they would then stay with.


/sigh
lol - OK fine, pedant. I get it.


Theaetetus: Patents aren't defined by the titles, or someone's two word description of them. Like, the Amazon "one-click" patent really wasn't a patent on clicking once. The only part of the patent that has legal weight is the claims, and if Apple's patent claims include limitations that were new and nonobvious, then they're valid, even if the broad concept of "voice commands" had existed previously.

For example, Ferdinand Verbiest built a steam-power ...



Except in this case it's more like Hyundai claiming to have a patent on the steering wheel.... just because they think they designed one with a particularly nice shade of brown. Maybe someone granted them a patent, but it still makes no sense.
 
2012-02-13 04:30:31 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: I wish car companies would start these types of lawsuits.

"Your honor, Ford is copying our patented idea of having blue tinted lights in the glove compartment, so you should ban all their cars."

I ask again; why is this vague bullshiat even patentable?


Like this? http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/smart-takes/toyota-ford-settle-lawsuit s-over-hybrid-electric-car-patents/9092 (new window)

Utility patents can be reasonable if regulated properly and restricted to maybe 5 years, tops (innovation cycle is much shorter than when these laws were writtent), but design patents... no, DIAF. Plant patents also need to bite the dust.
 
2012-02-13 04:31:33 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Satanic_Hamster: I wish car companies would start these types of lawsuits.

"Your honor, Ford is copying our patented idea of having blue tinted lights in the glove compartment, so you should ban all their cars."

I ask again; why is this vague bullshiat even patentable?

Like this? http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/smart-takes/toyota-ford-settle-lawsuit s-over-hybrid-electric-car-patents/9092 (new window)

Utility patents can be reasonable if regulated properly and restricted to maybe 5 years, tops (innovation cycle is much shorter than when these laws were writtent), but design patents... no, DIAF. Plant patents also need to bite the dust.


FTFM: Link (new window)
 
2012-02-13 04:35:43 PM  

Marine1: My headline was submitted yesterday and was better.


It may have been submitted yesterday but it was *not* better.

ISO15693: realmolo: Apple is run by scumbags. Always has been, always will be.

People like to bash Microsoft for being evil, but they have NOTHING on Apple. Apple has a real streak of contempt for its customers, and for the rest of the technology world in general.

[t3.gstatic.com image 267x189]

This just in, apple is far more evil than Microsoft, water is wet, Fox News is a ridiculously biased entertainment medium and should not be considered actual news, the mayans didnt predict the world would end in 2012, and some people dont like cilantro.


What do you mean `some people don`t like cilantro`? I just can`t believe that.
 
2012-02-13 04:36:17 PM  
FTA: "The filing also complains about Samsung's advertising tactics, which have poked fun at the more hardcore fanbois among Apple's following."

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-02-13 04:36:19 PM  

Theaetetus: No, it doesn't. The United States Patent and Trademark Office needs to be broken up. In fact, patents shouldn't exist except in rare circumstances. If a competitor creates a competing product, then one should improve one's own efforts and compete for customers. One should not biatch to the government to give one a government protected monopoly. A free market requires open competition in order to work correctly. If you agree, then please vote this post as "smart".


I think I see what you did there
 
2012-02-13 04:40:48 PM  

Theaetetus: RolandGunner: ThrowawayVote: [osxdaily.com image 580x812]

/hotlinked

The Electrovoya SC4000 Windows Tablet, circa 2008:


[www.tabletpcreview.com image 300x238]

[www.blogcdn.com image 152x156]


And...what? Apple's rip-off is OK because you think it's pretty? What?
 
2012-02-13 04:41:04 PM  
Warlordtrooper:
No it doesn't the Patent office needs to be broken up. In fact Patents shouldn't exist except in rare circumstances. If somebody creates a competing product then improve yours and compete for customers, don't biatch to the government to give you a government protected monopoly. A free market requires open competition in order to work correctly.

Theaetetus:
No, it doesn't. The United States Patent and Trademark Office needs to be broken up. In fact, patents shouldn't exist except in rare circumstances. If a competitor creates a competing product, then one should improve one's own efforts and compete for customers. One should not biatch to the government to give one a government protected monopoly. A free market requires open competition in order to work correctly. If you agree, then please vote this post as "smart".


Troll alt detected.
 
2012-02-13 04:46:26 PM  

pheelix: FTA: "The filing also complains about Samsung's advertising tactics, which have poked fun at the more hardcore fanbois among Apple's following."


Are they whining because the depiction is too farking accurate?
 
2012-02-13 04:46:52 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Utility patents can be reasonable if regulated properly and restricted to maybe 5 years, tops (innovation cycle is much shorter than when these laws were writtent), but design patents... no, DIAF. Plant patents also need to bite the dust.


Yep.

I'm going to try patenting talking at the water cooler, having a stapler to the right of your phone on a desk, and having a trash can underneath your office desk.
 
2012-02-13 04:54:10 PM  
Troll alt detected.

Your troll alt detector needs a calibratin'.
 
2012-02-13 04:57:20 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: pheelix: FTA: "The filing also complains about Samsung's advertising tactics, which have poked fun at the more hardcore fanbois among Apple's following."

Are they whining because the depiction is too farking accurate?


I don't understand how that is even material to the complaint. So what? It is advertising and is it inaccurate? Apple used the same type of ads (brilliantly) against Microsoft.
 
2012-02-13 05:01:00 PM  

extroverted_suicide: Warlordtrooper:
No it doesn't the Patent office needs to be broken up. In fact Patents shouldn't exist except in rare circumstances. If somebody creates a competing product then improve yours and compete for customers, don't biatch to the government to give you a government protected monopoly. A free market requires open competition in order to work correctly.

Theaetetus:
No, it doesn't. The United States Patent and Trademark Office needs to be broken up. In fact, patents shouldn't exist except in rare circumstances. If a competitor creates a competing product, then one should improve one's own efforts and compete for customers. One should not biatch to the government to give one a government protected monopoly. A free market requires open competition in order to work correctly. If you agree, then please vote this post as "smart".

Troll alt detected.


Yeah, you may want to reread that and consider the subject matter.
 
2012-02-13 05:18:48 PM  
I have a solution for all Samsung, Moto, HTC et al, copyright a smart phone with 4G or LTE capabilities. And smack down Apple when they try to release one.

It is like Tron cycles, make them hit the wall.
 
2012-02-13 05:28:23 PM  

Stabone33: Troll alt detected.

Your troll alt detector needs a calibratin'.


teehee
 
2012-02-13 05:30:40 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: And...what? Apple's rip-off is OK because you think it's pretty? What?


Wat? How did you get that I "think it's pretty" from those pictures?

No, my point was that while they may be superficially similar from one view, from another, they're quite distinct, and to say one is a rip-off of the other disregards that distinction.
 
2012-02-13 05:31:48 PM  
Marine1: My headline was submitted yesterday and was better.

"Apple seeks to block sales of the Samsung Galaxy Nexus in court. These mobile intellectual property wars have gotten... *takes off sunglasses*... patently insane"

/Apple needs to be broken up a-la Microsoft


iNo, it doesn't. The United States Patent and Trademark Office needs to be broken up. In fact, patents shouldn't exist except in rare circumstances. If a competitor creates a competing product, then one should improve one's own efforts and compete for customers. One should not biatch to the government to give one a government protected monopoly. A free market requires open competition in order to work correctly. If you agree, then please vote this post as "smart".

/Low hanging fruit and all that
 
2012-02-13 05:37:13 PM  

ThrowawayVote: [osxdaily.com image 580x812]

/hotlinked


i216.photobucket.com

Tool.
 
2012-02-13 05:45:30 PM  

change1211: ThrowawayVote: [osxdaily.com image 580x812]

/hotlinked

[i216.photobucket.com image 640x515]

Tool.


www.freeimagehosting.net

Didn't seem to work for me.
 
2012-02-13 06:11:13 PM  

InfrasonicTom: Probably gonna get thrown out. Should have cited 0 - 9 instead.


An oldie but a goodie:

Microsoft Patents Ones, Zeroes (new window)
 
2012-02-13 06:30:04 PM  

GameSprocket: realmolo: Apple is run by scumbags. Always has been, always will be.

People like to bash Microsoft for being evil, but they have NOTHING on Apple. Apple has a real streak of contempt for its customers, and for the rest of the technology world in general.

Who can argue with such specific evidence?


If you want specific evidence you can always give this a read. I finished it a couple of weeks ago. A very enjoyable read. Yes, Apple does have a real streak of contempt for its customers. Their philosophy is not to find out what the customer wants and provide it, it is to tell the customer what they want and if that's not really what they want, fark them. If you're not up for a good read and want a specific example right now, how about how when they company found out people had the unmitigated gall to actually open up the apple computers they purchased, the company responded by switching to special screws to prevent owners from opening their own machines. The company's response to people who wanted to modify their Macs was a definitive Fark You!
 
2012-02-13 06:41:03 PM  

Theaetetus: Patents aren't defined by the titles, or someone's two word description of them. Like, the Amazon "one-click" patent really wasn't a patent on clicking once. The only part of the patent that has legal weight is the claims, and if Apple's patent claims include limitations that were new and nonobvious, then they're valid, even if the broad concept of "voice commands" had existed previously.


And if they didn't have limitations that were new and nonobvious, but nobody manages to convince a clueless jury about it because durr big words, then they're valid anyway. I appreciate that you show up in each and every tech patent thread to explain how a patent works according to statute, but you do consistently gloss over the de facto law, which includes an unusually high random factor due to the nature of tech patents themselves and the way that individuals and corporations have abused them in the past. The fact is, the tech patent system is utterly broken, and no amount of white-knighting for patent trolls will change that.
 
2012-02-13 06:44:18 PM  

Theaetetus: If you agree, then please vote this post as "smart".


i.imgur.com
 
2012-02-13 08:24:40 PM  
I told my mom that i'm no longer renewing her yearly gift of People Magazine subscription, because i'm boycotting Kim Kardashian, and i just told my girlfriend i'm not getting her an iPhone for birthday because i'm boycotting Apple. I'll get her a Samsung, instead.

So, i benefit from realizing that i'm standing by principles, but also able to seek out alternatives to scummish products.
 
2012-02-13 08:47:23 PM  

blahpers: And if they didn't have limitations that were new and nonobvious, but nobody manages to convince a clueless jury about it because durr big words, then they're valid anyway. I appreciate that you show up in each and every tech patent thread to explain how a patent works according to statute, but you do consistently gloss over the de facto law, which includes an unusually high random factor due to the nature of tech patents themselves and the way that individuals and corporations have abused them in the past.


Well, I'm a patent prosecutor (argue with a USPTO Examiner), not a patent litigator (argue with a plaintiff/defendant before a jury). My goal isn't to convince someone who's clueless, but to get meaningful patents on commercially valuable inventions. Sure, I could hoodwink an Examiner, but if I do, that patent is meaningless because it will collapse in litigation. No, I want to work with the Examiner to get the right patent - one that really does capture the insanely cool technology my inventor came up with.

And note that what I'm defending is the patent law and the examination process with the USPTO. Maybe some abuses happen in litigation, but that's not what I'm talking about. I really do want good, complete, substantive examination of patents, because that's what gives my clients the most value. Hell, there've been times when I told the patent examiner what art he or she should be looking at, because if I get a patent allowed over unrelated technology, it's essentially useless.

And finally, there really is some cool technology involved. That's another thing to be aware of - when we argue about court decisions, by definition, we're arguing about patents that have been issued years ago... which means patents that were applied for many years ago. It's easy to accidentally slip into hindsight and think something was obvious back in the late 90s, because we've lived with it for over a decade. But that's a problem with hindsight. The stuff I work with is spurtingly-bleeding-edge new, and with the perspective of one who's been an engineer for a decade, and sees cutting edge, unreleased technology every day, this stuff is awesome.

... and I'm sure, ten years from now, people will say "bah, that's old, and boring, and [must have been] obvious [at the time]."

But that's not a problem with the patent system.
 
2012-02-13 09:51:06 PM  
See everyone the patent system is just fine...as long as you are making money off of it yourself and not paying into that mess like a sucker.
 
2012-02-13 11:16:05 PM  

Thrag: GameSprocket: realmolo: Apple is run by scumbags. Always has been, always will be.

People like to bash Microsoft for being evil, but they have NOTHING on Apple. Apple has a real streak of contempt for its customers, and for the rest of the technology world in general.

Who can argue with such specific evidence?

If you want specific evidence you can always give this a read. I finished it a couple of weeks ago. A very enjoyable read. Yes, Apple does have a real streak of contempt for its customers. Their philosophy is not to find out what the customer wants and provide it, it is to tell the customer what they want and if that's not really what they want, fark them. If you're not up for a good read and want a specific example right now, how about how when they company found out people had the unmitigated gall to actually open up the apple computers they purchased, the company responded by switching to special screws to prevent owners from opening their own machines. The company's response to people who wanted to modify their Macs was a definitive Fark You!


If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have said "a faster horse". - Henry Ford

They have made the business decision to develop products according to their own ideas. People seem to like those products. Not asking you what you want would seem like a dick move to a narcissist, but the rest of us either buy the product or we don't.
 
2012-02-14 03:14:18 AM  

Theaetetus: Wat? How did you get that I "think it's pretty" from those pictures?

No, my point was that while they may be superficially similar from one view, from another, they're quite distinct, and to say one is a rip-off of the other disregards that distinction.


i44.tinypic.com

Aren't you the tard who thought it meant something that Samsung's lawyers were unable to distinguish the iPad from the Tab when they were held up in the courtroom?
 
2012-02-14 09:26:33 AM  
Come pry it out of my hands then Apple.
I Love this phone.
Buying it flowers for Valentines Day.
 
2012-02-14 10:16:45 AM  

Theaetetus: RolandGunner: ThrowawayVote: [osxdaily.com image 580x812]

/hotlinked

The Electrovoya SC4000 Windows Tablet, circa 2008:


[www.tabletpcreview.com image 300x238]

[www.blogcdn.com image 152x156]

[www.tabletpcreview.com image 250x293]

[0.tqn.com image 345x562]


Ah, so since you have now decided the the PROFILE is what really differentiates tablets then you officially lose as the other tablets have very different SIDES compared to the iPad.
 
2012-02-14 12:17:23 PM  

RolandGunner: Theaetetus: RolandGunner: ThrowawayVote: [osxdaily.com image 580x812]

/hotlinked

The Electrovoya SC4000 Windows Tablet, circa 2008:


[www.tabletpcreview.com image 300x238]

[www.blogcdn.com image 152x156]

[www.tabletpcreview.com image 250x293]

[0.tqn.com image 345x562]

Ah, so since you have now decided the the PROFILE is what really differentiates tablets then you officially lose as the other tablets have very different SIDES compared to the iPad.


cdn.digitaltrends.com
 
2012-02-14 12:20:01 PM  

RolandGunner: you officially lose


But, fair enough. I readily concede. A winner is you.
img118.imageshack.us
 
2012-02-14 03:14:01 PM  

GameSprocket: People seem to like those products. Not asking you what you want would seem like a dick move to a narcissist, but the rest of us either buy the product or we don't.



That's an awesomest way of saying "You will be satisfied with what we decide for you. If you want anything other than what we gives you, you have a mental disorder."

Congratulations. Apple fans are now North Koreans, and steve jobs is the glorious leader, and asking for choice is a "dick move"

"But why would anyone -want- to have expandable memory or battery options? Hasnt the Glorious leader given us our very lives?"
 
2012-02-14 04:27:54 PM  
In with the "I've had these features before Apple came into the market" crowd. There is a difference between Apple saying "buy an iPhone because siri is a better made voice search" and "you cannot buy a competitor's phone because they have voice search and we own a broadly-worded patent." How can apple, on one hand, claim that their voice search is so awesome and unique that it is a major selling point, and on the other claim that their competitor's products are way too similar (even though their competitors have had their version of voice search for years)?
 
2012-02-14 04:47:45 PM  

GameSprocket: Thrag: GameSprocket: realmolo: Apple is run by scumbags. Always has been, always will be.

People like to bash Microsoft for being evil, but they have NOTHING on Apple. Apple has a real streak of contempt for its customers, and for the rest of the technology world in general.

Who can argue with such specific evidence?

If you want specific evidence you can always give this a read. I finished it a couple of weeks ago. A very enjoyable read. Yes, Apple does have a real streak of contempt for its customers. Their philosophy is not to find out what the customer wants and provide it, it is to tell the customer what they want and if that's not really what they want, fark them. If you're not up for a good read and want a specific example right now, how about how when they company found out people had the unmitigated gall to actually open up the apple computers they purchased, the company responded by switching to special screws to prevent owners from opening their own machines. The company's response to people who wanted to modify their Macs was a definitive Fark You!

If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have said "a faster horse". - Henry Ford

They have made the business decision to develop products according to their own ideas. People seem to like those products. Not asking you what you want would seem like a dick move to a narcissist, but the rest of us either buy the product or we don't.


So you asked for specifics and then completely ignore the specific example given? Seriously, you completely ignored my main example of how when Apple found out people were opening up their macs, a product they purchased and had the right to do whatever they wanted with, the company responded by making the case practically impossible for consumers to open. That's the dick move. Did you just ignore that example because you couldn't spin it away? Looks, it's pretty simple, Apple does indeed have contempt to their customer just as the original poster up there stated. It's a plain simple fact that is obvious to anyone who has followed the company over the years.

Don't be such a fanboy. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging the simple fact that apples does show contempt for their customers in many of their business practices. It's part of their culture and it seems to work for them (works for me too since I'm now up around 400% on my Apple stock purchases).
 
2012-02-15 12:29:34 AM  
If apple owns the patent on searching multiple sources at once, why haven't they sued dogpile.com? They have been around since google first started in the great search engine explosion.
 
2012-02-15 09:45:06 AM  

StoneColdAtheist: ISO15693: ...and some people dont like cilantro.

I'm calling shenanigans.


It's true. I don't like it.
 
2012-02-15 11:47:17 AM  

pxlboy: StoneColdAtheist: ISO15693: ...and some people dont like cilantro.

I'm calling shenanigans.

It's true. I don't like it.


Git a rope! ];^)

J/k...I know some people don't like it. I was just piling the shenanigans meme on top of the "some people don't like XX" meme. We're cool.

/loves cilantro
//makes a killer cilantro and chicken with rice soup
 
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