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2012-02-13 07:33:14 AM
Who in hell brings a gun to church? Why?

Golf clap for subby.
 
2012-02-13 07:54:07 AM
I like this one better. Aisle seat for laughing at that.
 
2012-02-13 07:57:21 AM
When did, "Your Sunday Best" start including a hand gun?

Gun owners are their own worst enemy in many cases...
 
2012-02-13 08:10:21 AM
Around 12:30 p.m., the gun accidentally went off,

No it didn't, that is pure negligence there. They removed the magazine but not the round in the chamber - negligent. They didn't keep the bugger hook off of the bang switch - negligent. They didn't keep the muzzle pointed away from where people might be (towards the floor or ceiling would have been better, ceiling only if the floor is concrete) - negligent.

In perhaps 1 of 10,000 cases (100,000? More?) is a shooting ever accidental, in essentially every case it is through negligence of one form or another.
 
2012-02-13 08:16:06 AM
Zambrana helps run Grace Connection's services, Diehl said, and also serves as security for the church's events.

What the hell kind of church events need armed security?

I said BINGO, Motherf*ckers!! BLAM!!
 
2012-02-13 08:18:33 AM

Recoil Therapy: Around 12:30 p.m., the gun accidentally went off,

No it didn't, that is pure negligence there. They removed the magazine but not the round in the chamber - negligent. They didn't keep the bugger hook off of the bang switch - negligent. They didn't keep the muzzle pointed away from where people might be (towards the floor or ceiling would have been better, ceiling only if the floor is concrete) - negligent.

In perhaps 1 of 10,000 cases (100,000? More?) is a shooting ever accidental, in essentially every case it is through negligence of one form or another.


Good points,but why would it matter if the floor is concrete? Wouldn't most of the energy of the bullet be absorbed by the floor, especially if it was pointing straight down? Also, where do you point it in a multi story building? A little off-topic, but I'm genuinely curious about that. Thanks.
 
2012-02-13 08:51:30 AM

SnarfVader: Good points,but why would it matter if the floor is concrete? Wouldn't most of the energy of the bullet be absorbed by the floor, especially if it was pointing straight down? Also, where do you point it in a multi story building? A little off-topic, but I'm genuinely curious about that. Thanks.


A bullet fired onto concrete (especially at an angle which it probably would be given the way the pistol is likely to be held) is going to ricochet. Some energy may be absorbed but most of it is likely to be spent shoving the bullet off in a random direction. A tile floor over concrete would be a little better but it probably still is going to be bouncing around. If I had to clear my pistol in a multi-story building (inside a church closet is not a place where you have to be playing show & tell btw), say in my apartment, I'd probably point the pistol at the couch to unload it. If I had a brain fart & managed to shoot the pistol, the couch would soak up most all of the energy of the round without (hopefully) going through any walls. The best thing to do though is to load the pistol & leave it that way. The less it is loaded/unloaded the less chance for a ND (negligent discharge).

I'm still trying to figure out why these two rocket surgeons handed off/accepted the pistol without the slide locked back. I can't think of a time when I handed a pistol to someone (or was offered one from someone) without it being in that condition. That is one of the first rules taught, hand a firearm to someone else with the action open as it can't fire then. Floriduh tag for a reason I guess..
 
2012-02-13 10:10:08 AM

Recoil Therapy: SnarfVader: Good points,but why would it matter if the floor is concrete? Wouldn't most of the energy of the bullet be absorbed by the floor, especially if it was pointing straight down? Also, where do you point it in a multi story building? A little off-topic, but I'm genuinely curious about that. Thanks.

A bullet fired onto concrete (especially at an angle which it probably would be given the way the pistol is likely to be held) is going to ricochet. Some energy may be absorbed but most of it is likely to be spent shoving the bullet off in a random direction. A tile floor over concrete would be a little better but it probably still is going to be bouncing around. If I had to clear my pistol in a multi-story building (inside a church closet is not a place where you have to be playing show & tell btw), say in my apartment, I'd probably point the pistol at the couch to unload it. If I had a brain fart & managed to shoot the pistol, the couch would soak up most all of the energy of the round without (hopefully) going through any walls. The best thing to do though is to load the pistol & leave it that way. The less it is loaded/unloaded the less chance for a ND (negligent discharge).

I'm still trying to figure out why these two rocket surgeons handed off/accepted the pistol without the slide locked back. I can't think of a time when I handed a pistol to someone (or was offered one from someone) without it being in that condition. That is one of the first rules taught, hand a firearm to someone else with the action open as it can't fire then. Floriduh tag for a reason I guess..


Thanks for the explanation.
 
2012-02-13 10:33:53 AM
It's not an accident. God is omniscient and omnipresent remember? He deliberately shot this young woman in the head.
 
2012-02-13 10:36:15 AM

BurnShrike: It's not an accident. God is omniscient and omnipresent remember? He deliberately shot this young woman in the head.


Especially in His house, where His powers are extra-strong.
 
2012-02-13 10:37:14 AM

keylock71: When did, "Your Sunday Best" start including a hand gun?

Gun owners are their own worst enemy in many cases...


In this case not their own enemy as they were not hurt and the police are labeling it a tragic "accident" so really it is more the enemy of the young girl and her family.
 
2012-02-13 10:37:16 AM

AbbeySomeone: Who in hell brings a gun to church? Why?

Golf clap for subby.


In case the devil shows up
 
2012-02-13 10:39:40 AM

LockeOak: BurnShrike: It's not an accident. God is omniscient and omnipresent remember? He deliberately shot this young woman in the head.

Especially in His house, where His powers are extra-strong.


Either that or all those prayers to Yahweh is really making Odin mad.
 
2012-02-13 10:39:51 AM
I guess someone wasnt praying hard enough.
 
2012-02-13 10:39:53 AM
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw Bueller's girlfriend get shot at the Grace Connection Church last night! I guess it's pretty serious.
 
2012-02-13 10:41:11 AM
This guy is an embarrassment to responsible gun owners. If you are trying to see a gun you not need to show it to the prospective buyer while it is LOADED. I don't think the guy was routinely carrying the gun to church but he should have unloaded it.
 
2012-02-13 10:41:29 AM
Bueller?


www.myfacewhen.net
 
2012-02-13 10:41:46 AM

cbackous: I guess someone wasnt praying hard enough.


Don't worry, if she gets better they'll all be saying "God was watching out for her. It's a miracle she got better"
 
2012-02-13 10:42:11 AM

Recoil Therapy: SnarfVader: Good points,but why would it matter if the floor is concrete? Wouldn't most of the energy of the bullet be absorbed by the floor, especially if it was pointing straight down? Also, where do you point it in a multi story building? A little off-topic, but I'm genuinely curious about that. Thanks.

A bullet fired onto concrete (especially at an angle which it probably would be given the way the pistol is likely to be held) is going to ricochet. Some energy may be absorbed but most of it is likely to be spent shoving the bullet off in a random direction. A tile floor over concrete would be a little better but it probably still is going to be bouncing around. If I had to clear my pistol in a multi-story building (inside a church closet is not a place where you have to be playing show & tell btw), say in my apartment, I'd probably point the pistol at the couch to unload it. If I had a brain fart & managed to shoot the pistol, the couch would soak up most all of the energy of the round without (hopefully) going through any walls. The best thing to do though is to load the pistol & leave it that way. The less it is loaded/unloaded the less chance for a ND (negligent discharge).

I'm still trying to figure out why these two rocket surgeons handed off/accepted the pistol without the slide locked back. I can't think of a time when I handed a pistol to someone (or was offered one from someone) without it being in that condition. That is one of the first rules taught, hand a firearm to someone else with the action open as it can't fire then. Floriduh tag for a reason I guess..


Stopped by a couch?!? WTF do you shoot, a Red Ryder? ITGs are dangerous y'all.
 
2012-02-13 10:44:17 AM

AbbeySomeone: Who in hell brings a gun to church? Why?

Golf clap for subby.


If you regularly carry, chances are you'd carry in a church.

Dunno - don't go to church myself, but I'd see no problem carrying there unless they had a sign specifying otherwise (private property and all).
 
2012-02-13 10:44:57 AM
Holy Christ, how many times is this same story going to get a greenlight? Once is enough, don't ya think?
 
2012-02-13 10:46:07 AM
Two links to the same story?
 
2012-02-13 10:46:24 AM
I'm a firearms enthusiast. I own a bunch of firearms and I support concealed carry, though I don't feel the need to carry a weapon myself.

That said, WTF does anyone need to carry a gun to Church for? I don't get the mentality.

/I live on the border of St Petersurg/Lealman and the Lealman Fire Department is on the ball. They are always first to respond to anything going down in my neighborhood.
 
2012-02-13 10:46:38 AM
Is it just me or is the idea of praying for someone who was just shot in the head in a church abnormally stupid?
 
2012-02-13 10:47:23 AM
Come get yer schadenfreude!
Christians, morans, and gun owners all in one story!
Get yer schadenfreude heyea!
 
2012-02-13 10:49:09 AM
What is the point of the repeat tag exactly? Serious question, first time Ive seen this. Id guess to pre empt snarky asses in the comments thread.

/Should put repeat in parentheses like sponsored links
 
2012-02-13 10:49:40 AM
NOT!
 
2012-02-13 10:49:56 AM

Recoil Therapy: bugger hook


1) I thought it was booger hook?

2) What the hell does the "repeat" tag mean?
 
2012-02-13 10:50:42 AM
a couch is not going to stop most bullets, it might slow them down, but they'll still keep truckin right along. I do IDPA shooting, and you will sometimes see a "living room" that you have to clear, one bad guy paper target is crouched behind a couch, only a portion of his head is visible. you can go for the tough head shot, or shoot through the couch and into his center of mass. smart shooters do the latter. and those bullets still do whizzing downrange into the backstop.

but yes, it is slightly smarter to aim at the couch, provided whatever is behind it will also absorb energy, the more mass the better, i guess.
 
2012-02-13 10:51:35 AM
Disgruntled worshipper? George Carlin called it.
 
2012-02-13 10:52:13 AM
this headline is also better than the original's
 
2012-02-13 10:53:42 AM

ronaprhys: Dunno - don't go to church myself, but I'd see no problem carrying there unless they had a sign specifying otherwise (private property and all).


A decent number of states have churches as no carry zones regardless of the desires of the owner/operator of the church.
 
2012-02-13 10:54:58 AM
FTA: A third man - John Penu, 19, of St. Petersburg - was also looking at the gun in the closet when it went off.

So that's what good Christians do in church. Who knew?

FTA: "I was kind of hoping it wasn't going to be Moises," Diehl said. "Why does this need to happen?"

Because stupid people carry a gun into church, decide to indulge their gun fetish in the closet because they can't wait until they get to someone's home, and forget that there is a chambered round? Seriously, how do you forget there is a chambered round. OPEN THE FARKING ACTION AND LOOK!!!!
 
2012-02-13 10:55:08 AM

keylock71: When did, "Your Sunday Best" start including a hand gun?


Look up the term "church gun". Turns out the answer to your question is, a long time ago.

When you are done with that, look up Court Guns and BBQ guns.
 
2012-02-13 10:56:02 AM
LittleSmitty

/I live on the border of St Petersurg/Lealman and the Lealman Fire Department is on the ball. They are always first to respond to anything going down in my neighborhood.

Where you live, people get held up by criminals armed with matches?
 
2012-02-13 10:57:30 AM
One man's actions do more than one million prayers.

Like knowing how many rounds stay in a gun when the magazine is removed: Enough to kill someone.
 
2012-02-13 10:58:45 AM

namegoeshere: Zambrana helps run Grace Connection's services, Diehl said, and also serves as security for the church's events.

What the hell kind of church events need armed security?

I said BINGO, Motherf*ckers!! BLAM!!


I don't know; bingo is serious business for my granny. Also; there's a lot of cash that changes hands. Knocking over a Knights of Columbus bingo hall would probably net upwards of $10k. And who's gonna stop you? Certainly not the grey hairs; the only other people that play bingo are morbidly obese and the occasional grandkid.

/ won $600 the last time I took granny to bingo in cherryvale
 
2012-02-13 11:00:54 AM

zabbers: a couch is not going to stop most bullets, it might slow them down, but they'll still keep truckin right along. I do IDPA shooting, and you will sometimes see a "living room" that you have to clear, one bad guy paper target is crouched behind a couch, only a portion of his head is visible. you can go for the tough head shot, or shoot through the couch and into his center of mass. smart shooters do the latter. and those bullets still do whizzing downrange into the backstop.

but yes, it is slightly smarter to aim at the couch, provided whatever is behind it will also absorb energy, the more mass the better, i guess.


The comment was for unloading a pistol in an apartment (living room assumed)/multi-story building & which direction to point it. Looking around my living room (in my house) my choices are, brick fireplace (would stop from penetrating but would probably ricochet back towards me), 75 gallon fish tank (good test for the hydro-shoks I guess....), couch (hide a bed type so there is a mattress folded over in there too), tv (too thin, expensive), or some random direction. Given the choices I'd rather leave the pistol loaded & not mess with it but if I had to then the couch has the best potential not to ventilate a neighbor.

Looking again perhaps the bookcase end on with all that paper lined up. But still....
 
2012-02-13 11:03:41 AM

Recoil Therapy: The comment was for unloading a pistol in an apartment (living room assumed)/multi-story building & which direction to point it. Looking around my living room (in my house) my choices are, brick fireplace (would stop from penetrating but would probably ricochet back towards me), 75 gallon fish tank (good test for the hydro-shoks I guess....), couch (hide a bed type so there is a mattress folded over in there too), tv (too thin, expensive), or some random direction. Given the choices I'd rather leave the pistol loaded & not mess with it but if I had to then the couch has the best potential not to ventilate a neighbor.

Looking again perhaps the bookcase end on with all that paper lined up. But still....


When I lived in an apartment style condo, I used a 5 gallon bucket full of sand as a clearing barrel. I also determined that the noisy neighbors that cooked something that stunk like rotten fish 3 nights a week were a safe direction for clearing.
 
2012-02-13 11:05:06 AM
Step 1: arrange a gun sale at a local church
Step 2: shoot pastor's daughter in the head
Step 3: ???
Step 4: prophet
 
2012-02-13 11:06:15 AM

OnlyM3: LittleSmitty

/I live on the border of St Petersurg/Lealman and the Lealman Fire Department is on the ball. They are always first to respond to anything going down in my neighborhood.
Where you live, people get held up by criminals armed with matches?


Haha, no. For as F'd up as Lealman is, I'm just giving the FD props for being on the ball. Slightly off topic comment was off topic. Lealman FD would have responded to the shooting. You know, as EMT's.
 
2012-02-13 11:06:22 AM

knightofargh: ronaprhys: Dunno - don't go to church myself, but I'd see no problem carrying there unless they had a sign specifying otherwise (private property and all).

A decent number of states have churches as no carry zones regardless of the desires of the owner/operator of the church.


Good point.
 
2012-02-13 11:06:30 AM

Recoil Therapy: zabbers: a couch is not going to stop most bullets, it might slow them down, but they'll still keep truckin right along. I do IDPA shooting, and you will sometimes see a "living room" that you have to clear, one bad guy paper target is crouched behind a couch, only a portion of his head is visible. you can go for the tough head shot, or shoot through the couch and into his center of mass. smart shooters do the latter. and those bullets still do whizzing downrange into the backstop.

but yes, it is slightly smarter to aim at the couch, provided whatever is behind it will also absorb energy, the more mass the better, i guess.

The comment was for unloading a pistol in an apartment (living room assumed)/multi-story building & which direction to point it. Looking around my living room (in my house) my choices are, brick fireplace (would stop from penetrating but would probably ricochet back towards me), 75 gallon fish tank (good test for the hydro-shoks I guess....), couch (hide a bed type so there is a mattress folded over in there too), tv (too thin, expensive), or some random direction. Given the choices I'd rather leave the pistol loaded & not mess with it but if I had to then the couch has the best potential not to ventilate a neighbor.

Looking again perhaps the bookcase end on with all that paper lined up. But still....


any time that I am cleaning my handguns or anything where I need to pull the trigger, I point it down at the corner of the room. on the odd chance that it happens to be loaded, plenty of wood and stuff to stop it quick.
 
2012-02-13 11:08:44 AM
"I was kind of hoping it wasn't going to be Moises,"

Moises? Soitenly!
 
2012-02-13 11:17:37 AM
This could've all been prevented if the pastor's daughter was also carrying a firearm. Amirite?
 
2012-02-13 11:20:46 AM

AbbeySomeone: Who in hell brings a gun to church? Why?


Why do you hate America?

/obligatory
//seriously, what if your militia needed you at that exact moment?
 
2012-02-13 11:22:23 AM
The only time you leave a round chambered is if you INTEND on using the weapon. Otherwise it's a fairly easy process to chamber a round.

And that's the first rule you should learn. Always assume a gun is loaded and a round chambered.
 
2012-02-13 11:25:28 AM

Recoil Therapy: Around 12:30 p.m., the gun accidentally went off,

No it didn't, that is pure negligence there. They removed the magazine but not the round in the chamber - negligent. They didn't keep the bugger hook off of the bang switch - negligent. They didn't keep the muzzle pointed away from where people might be (towards the floor or ceiling would have been better, ceiling only if the floor is concrete) - negligent.

In perhaps 1 of 10,000 cases (100,000? More?) is a shooting ever accidental, in essentially every case it is through negligence of one form or another.


If it is unintentional then it is accidental
 
2012-02-13 11:28:15 AM
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Did I miss the meeting? When did this get here?
 
2012-02-13 11:34:42 AM

D_Evans45: What is the point of the repeat tag exactly? Serious question, first time Ive seen this. Id guess to pre empt snarky asses in the comments thread.


Yes, probably to quell the biatching about "repeats" and that not everyone has seen it the first time.
They can just keep it there instead of having to delete a whole thread for the whiners.

/kudos to repeat tag idea guy/gal
//couldn't stand constantly seeing that in threads
 
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