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(Newsarama)   Real comic book nerds know Shazam isn't the character's name, it's the magic word Billy Batson says to turn into Captain Marvel. Real comic book nerds are now wrong   (newsarama.com) divider line 113
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2012-02-13 09:23:57 AM  
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2012-02-13 09:26:47 AM  
So, basically, Marvel Comics being dicks to DC and not letting them have a superhero called, 'Captain Marvel'.

I mean, I understand there could be brand confusion to new readers if that name was the main title on the cover... but renaming the character 'Shazam' is just dumb.
 
2012-02-13 09:31:03 AM  
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2012-02-13 09:31:12 AM  
Dumb ass change. He's always going to be Captain Marvel. (actually it is Mar-Vel). Marvel comics really thinks there will be brand confusion when there is a big ass DC on the upper corner?

Come on...
 
2012-02-13 09:31:17 AM  
I always thought that the chracter of Captain Marvel sucked.

Give a snot-nosed kid superpowers and make him look about 35 instead of 12. Yeah, that'll work.

THe only decent treatment I've ever seen of the character was in "Kingdom Come" when Lex Luthor was keeping him brainwashed and insane.
 
2012-02-13 09:32:45 AM  
Didn't they call him Shazam in that awful 70's live action version on Saturday morning?

Always thought the character sucked. Should have dumped him into Watchmen with the Charlton characters and let Alan Moore kill him off.
 
2012-02-13 09:36:15 AM  
So his name is now is weakness? Glad they didn't change Superman's name to Kryptonite.
/reboots suck, unless it's this one:

dvdmedia.ign.com
 
2012-02-13 09:39:37 AM  
Yeah! Pander to the non-comic book fans, that always works out long term!
 
2012-02-13 09:42:02 AM  

Mi-5: Dumb ass change. He's always going to be Captain Marvel. (actually it is Mar-Vel). Marvel comics really thinks there will be brand confusion when there is a big ass DC on the upper corner?

Come on...


Mar-Vell is the Marvel Comics hero who is long-dead.

Captain Marvel is the Fawcet Comics character who was absorbed by DC comics after they sued Fawcet for copying Superman. They haven't been able to use Captain Marvel's name on the cover of his books for decades now.
 
2012-02-13 09:42:09 AM  

give me doughnuts: I always thought that the chracter of Captain Marvel sucked.

Give a snot-nosed kid superpowers and make him look about 35 instead of 12. Yeah, that'll work.

THe only decent treatment I've ever seen of the character was in "Kingdom Come" when Lex Luthor was keeping him brainwashed and insane.


Go read "The Power of Hope" by Ross and Dini (I think) and it might give you a new appreciation for the character. With the "right" kind of a spin on him, he can be a really wonderful character, but he can devolve into drek pretty easily as well. If you have the time, check that comic out, for the art if nothing else.
 
2012-02-13 09:45:13 AM  

give me doughnuts: I always thought that the chracter of Captain Marvel sucked.

Give a snot-nosed kid superpowers and make him look about 35 instead of 12. Yeah, that'll work.

THe only decent treatment I've ever seen of the character was in "Kingdom Come" when Lex Luthor was keeping him brainwashed and insane.


Great_Milenko: Didn't they call him Shazam in that awful 70's live action version on Saturday morning?

Always thought the character sucked. Should have dumped him into Watchmen with the Charlton characters and let Alan Moore kill him off.


He was a blatant attempt by another comics company to copy Superman. They got sued for copyright infringement, lost/settled, and DC took him into their own world.

So people complaining about Marvel's legal stance on the name should probably shut up about DC's superiority in this matter, since they acquired the character by suing his creators to the poorhouse.

But yeah, he kinda sucks because he's a low-rent Superman... And Superman is one of the dullest characters in comics.
 
2012-02-13 09:45:23 AM  
That's going to make name introductions a bit awkward.

"Hello media and fans! My name is Shazam!"
*massive lighting strike*
"Off to juvie for mass murder I go..."

/DNRTFA
//not a fan of Capt Marvel
 
2012-02-13 09:51:14 AM  
Why not just take him backwards and call him Captain Thunder? That's what one of his original names was, anyway.
 
2012-02-13 09:51:44 AM  

Zygar: [dialbforblog.com image 144x118]


/leaving satisfied
 
2012-02-13 10:00:14 AM  

Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: He was a blatant attempt by another comics company to copy Superman. They got sued for copyright infringement, lost/settled, and DC took him into their own world.

So people complaining about Marvel's legal stance on the name should probably shut up about DC's superiority in this matter, since they acquired the character by suing his creators to the poorhouse.

But yeah, he kinda sucks because he's a low-rent Superman... And Superman is one of the dullest characters in comics.


Please, Superman was an attempt to put Doc Savage (or Hugo Danner) in a cape. Savage was the Man of Bronze and had a Fortress of Solitude (they called it that) by the north pole long before Superman was the Man of Steel and had a Fortress of Solitude by the north pole.

Besides, Captain Marvel flew first. Superman only leaped really well until Capt. Marvel came around. Dr. Sivana pre-dated Lex, and Capt. Marvel Jr. was around long before Superboy.

Dammit I like Captain Marvel.
 
2012-02-13 10:01:16 AM  
I can kind of see renaming Captain Marvel as Shazam. The Wizard Shazam was the source of Captain Marvel's powers previously, but the Wizard Shazam is dead and now Captain Marvel has a direct connection to the source rather than through the Wizard. He's now the new Wizard Shazam.
 
2012-02-13 10:01:57 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Why not just take him backwards and call him Captain Thunder? That's what one of his original names was, anyway.


One thing I never got was how he was a Captain. Where did that part come from?

Shazam was the wizard, biatches.
 
2012-02-13 10:02:21 AM  
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Son of Jor-El, kneel before Marvel.
 
2012-02-13 10:04:06 AM  

Mi-5: Dumb ass change. He's always going to be Captain Marvel. (actually it is Mar-Vel). Marvel comics really thinks there will be brand confusion when there is a big ass DC on the upper corner?

Come on...


Heh. You just proved Marvel's point.
/assuming you're not joking.
 
2012-02-13 10:05:03 AM  

RexTalionis: I can kind of see renaming Captain Marvel as Shazam. The Wizard Shazam was the source of Captain Marvel's powers previously, but the Wizard Shazam is dead and now Captain Marvel has a direct connection to the source rather than through the Wizard. He's now the new Wizard Shazam.


Oh, wait, Shazam came back already? Christ, just kill this franchise already, then.
 
2012-02-13 10:06:41 AM  
I'm assuming this will all change in the next reboot anyway.
 
2012-02-13 10:08:19 AM  
Kill the franchise. It's barely useful, and has so many continuity glitches caused by lawsuits that its not even funny.
 
2012-02-13 10:18:11 AM  

give me doughnuts: I always thought that the chracter of Captain Marvel sucked.

Give a snot-nosed kid superpowers and make him look about 35 instead of 12. Yeah, that'll work.


Yeah, what 12 year old kid wouldn't want to be treated like an adult and have superpowers. It's not like Captain Marvel Adventures sold over one million copies a month in 1944.

But then DC (who I'm generally a fan of) sued the publishers claiming Cpt. Marvel was a rip off of Superman. Eventually they got the character themselves but didn't get the name trademarked before Marvel Comics did.

Calling the comic Shazam... fine. Calling the character Shazam... idiotic.
 
2012-02-13 10:30:47 AM  
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Approves
 
2012-02-13 10:33:00 AM  

Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: Mar-Vell is the Marvel Comics hero who is long-dead.


Yes, and now Marvel Comics has the chance to repair the disaster that is the Captain Marvel legacy.
The house of Vell is in disarray, to say the least. Best to scrape off the excess and start over with Mar-Vell's son Genis and reboot and/or reunite his bits and just pretend the other ones didn't happen. Bring Genis back with a clear head and a little humility and a wish to clear his father's legacy. That's plenty to keep him busy.
Seriously, the whole Marvel - Captain Marvel line is more screwed up than DC-Legion history and that's saying something. Pretty damn lame for Marvel to treat it's one character that shares the company's name this unthinkingly.
 
2012-02-13 10:33:46 AM  
And lets not forget that SHAZAM was an acronym of the first letters of the names of people he got his powers from:

the wisdom of Solomon
the strength of Hercules
the stamina of Atlas
the power of Zeus
the courage of Achilles
the speed of Mercury.

This re-naming thing sounds like a plot dreamed up by the nefarious Mister Mind.
 
2012-02-13 10:35:46 AM  
This is almost as bad as the time they altered the color scheme slightly on that one guy. I just hope that, collectively, we can move past this.
 
2012-02-13 10:35:47 AM  

DigitalCoffee: And lets not forget that SHAZAM was an acronym of the first letters of the names of people he got his powers from:

the wisdom of Solomon
the strength of Hercules
the stamina of Atlas
the power of Zeus
the courage of Achilles
the speed of Mercury.

This re-naming thing sounds like a plot dreamed up by the nefarious Mister Mind.


Or Glenn Beck
 
2012-02-13 10:37:46 AM  
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Marvel does Captain Marvel better.
 
2012-02-13 10:40:17 AM  

RexTalionis: I can kind of see renaming Captain Marvel as Shazam. The Wizard Shazam was the source of Captain Marvel's powers previously, but the Wizard Shazam is dead and now Captain Marvel has a direct connection to the source rather than through the Wizard. He's now the new Wizard Shazam.


This.

People forget about the Wizard Shazam having ties to Capt. Marvel.
 
2012-02-13 10:40:58 AM  

atomsmoosher: Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: He was a blatant attempt by another comics company to copy Superman. They got sued for copyright infringement, lost/settled, and DC took him into their own world.

So people complaining about Marvel's legal stance on the name should probably shut up about DC's superiority in this matter, since they acquired the character by suing his creators to the poorhouse.

But yeah, he kinda sucks because he's a low-rent Superman... And Superman is one of the dullest characters in comics.

Please, Superman was an attempt to put Doc Savage (or Hugo Danner) in a cape. Savage was the Man of Bronze and had a Fortress of Solitude (they called it that) by the north pole long before Superman was the Man of Steel and had a Fortress of Solitude by the north pole.

Besides, Captain Marvel flew first. Superman only leaped really well until Capt. Marvel came around. Dr. Sivana pre-dated Lex, and Capt. Marvel Jr. was around long before Superboy.

Dammit I like Captain Marvel.


I like him too, despite his origins and silly stories.

But whether or not he flew first, DC won that case and Fawcett was boned, so complaining about legal matters in regards to Marvel vs. DC Captain Marvels is silly; He's a character that was ALWAYS in a legal gray area, and always on the verge of being altered to make lawyers happy.
 
2012-02-13 10:56:59 AM  

MagSeven: Mi-5: Dumb ass change. He's always going to be Captain Marvel. (actually it is Mar-Vel). Marvel comics really thinks there will be brand confusion when there is a big ass DC on the upper corner?

Come on...

Heh. You just proved Marvel's point.
/assuming you're not joking.


Please. The Marvel character Captain Mar-Vell was designed to be deliberately confusing with the original Captain Marvel, right down to the annoying kid who shared physical space with an older super dude.

Jeff Smith did a great Shazam comic a couple of years back. It was targeted at kids, and it was a really well written, fun book. Smith seemed to be the only writer in a long time to realize Captain Marvel is intended for the elementary age audience, and he is a great character for that audience. When you try to put Captain Marvel into the political world of the JLA, he just doesn't fit.

/hate the fact the the corporations are ruining this character
 
2012-02-13 10:58:55 AM  

give me doughnuts: I always thought that the chracter of Captain Marvel sucked.

Give a snot-nosed kid superpowers and make him look about 35 instead of 12. Yeah, that'll work.

THe only decent treatment I've ever seen of the character was in "Kingdom Come" when Lex Luthor was keeping him brainwashed and insane.


Check out the old Malibu comics "Prime" if you haven't. Basically the same premise, 13 year old kid gets superpowers and looks like a 30 year old guy. But the issues they deal with and how everything worked out was kind of crazy. Shazam/Capt Marvel could be good....if DC is willing to touch those icky subjects. Like, does a 13 year old superhero who looks 35 still have a 13 year old girlfriend?
 
2012-02-13 10:59:34 AM  
www.marvunapp.com

Prime looks on and laughs...
 
2012-02-13 11:03:30 AM  
If they call him Shazam, won't everone know the magic word and we'll have superpowered kids all over the damned place?
 
2012-02-13 11:21:48 AM  

Honest Bender: [www.marvunapp.com image 479x688]

Prime looks on and laughs...


I interned at Platinum Studios one summer and in the waiting room was a over the top Prime poster for a movie that never happened by Boris Vallejo.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-02-13 11:24:27 AM  

Honest Bender: [www.marvunapp.com image 479x688]

Prime looks on and laughs...


Why does Prime have a giant arrow on his torso that points at his tiny crotch? Is he compensating for something?


And what about Freddie Freeman? He was Capt. Marvel Jr. Is he now Shazam Jr.?? That's going full retard.

/and I didn't see any mention of Uncle Dudley
//the 70's TV show sucked and the comic sucked when they changed it to match the show
 
2012-02-13 11:38:29 AM  

Great_Milenko: Always thought the character sucked. Should have dumped him into Watchmen with the Charlton characters and let Alan Moore kill him off.


i292.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-13 11:45:25 AM  
What's really going to be shocking is that he's going to be ethically Arabic to match the new name.
 
2012-02-13 11:45:48 AM  

swahnhennessy: Great_Milenko: Always thought the character sucked. Should have dumped him into Watchmen with the Charlton characters and let Alan Moore kill him off.

[i292.photobucket.com image 420x645]


Who himself was first called "Marvel Man".
 
2012-02-13 11:46:22 AM  
Retarded decision by a retarded company.

Nothing to see here.
 
2012-02-13 11:52:04 AM  

DaMacGuy: give me doughnuts: I always thought that the chracter of Captain Marvel sucked.

Give a snot-nosed kid superpowers and make him look about 35 instead of 12. Yeah, that'll work.

Yeah, what 12 year old kid wouldn't want to be treated like an adult and have superpowers. It's not like Captain Marvel Adventures sold over one million copies a month in 1944.

But then DC (who I'm generally a fan of) sued the publishers claiming Cpt. Marvel was a rip off of Superman. Eventually they got the character themselves but didn't get the name trademarked before Marvel Comics did.

Calling the comic Shazam... fine. Calling the character Shazam... idiotic.


Yeah there is a reason the character was so popular, hes the perfect child fantasy. he says a magic word and is not only an adult, but a super-man.


As for calling the character Shazam, yeah its weak, but honestly I am surprised they didn't do it after crisis on infinite earths, or zero hour, or infinite crisis, or final crisis... God DC reboots/relaunches and retcons a lot.
 
2012-02-13 11:53:11 AM  
Let's go ahead and throw Marvel Man into this to make it a little more confusing :)

media.comicvine.com
 
2012-02-13 11:54:01 AM  
Crap, didn't refresh.
 
2012-02-13 11:55:33 AM  

PIP_the_TROLL: Let's go ahead and throw Marvel Man into this to make it a little more confusing :)

[media.comicvine.com image 600x911]


I wonder... when Marvel finally reprints the Alan Moore stuff, will he still be Miracleman, or will they have changed it back to Marvelman?
 
2012-02-13 11:56:40 AM  
What about the superhero from CARtoons Magazine who said "Hotmoto" to change back and forth?
 
2012-02-13 11:56:53 AM  

browser_snake: What's really going to be shocking is that he's going to be ethically Arabic to match the new name.


No. He's always had Black Adam (Teth Adam) who is his Egyptian/Arabic counterpart.

Think Namor with Capt Marvel's powers.
 
2012-02-13 11:57:44 AM  
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2012-02-13 12:01:15 PM  
First Power girls boob hole and now this! RAGE!
 
2012-02-13 12:10:00 PM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: What about the superhero from CARtoons Magazine who said "Hotmoto" to change back and forth?


What about the Apache Chief?

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