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(Mother Nature Network)   The eight creepiest ingredients found in fast food. Sand, duck feathers, and wood made the list, but hamburgle surprisingly didn't   (mnn.com) divider line 97
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2012-02-13 11:41:45 AM
Wait till they find out where honey, soap and perfume come from...

/the other day a friend linked to something on this site that swore up and down that vaccines cause autism, science be damned.
 
2012-02-13 11:43:15 AM
Anthony Bourdain would fry a log of shiat up in some olive oil if he thought he could get away with it.
 
2012-02-13 11:44:44 AM
JWideman: FTFA: But if you were to add up all of the chemical ingredients consumed during a life of a fast-food fueled western diet, what would that look like? Would it look like an epidemic of obesity, diabetes or cancer?

No. It's that sort of thinking that killed millions of people due to doctors not washing their hands.


I read that and I wanted to reach through my monitor and yell at the author for being a bad person.
 
2012-02-13 11:46:14 AM
doglover: diatomceous earth, commonly used as a pesticide.

BECAUSE IT DEHYDRATES ARTHROPODS WITHOUT POISONING VERTEBRATES YOU SANCTIMONIOUS FARKWIT!

People who knowingly distribute bad information should be whipped. People who unknowingly distribute it should be educated, then whipped also so's they don't forget.


Pretty much this. I stopped reading after that sentence.
 
2012-02-13 11:47:18 AM
"Reduced iron" anyone?

Aka metallic iron powder.
 
2012-02-13 11:49:34 AM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: doglover: diatomceous earth, commonly used as a pesticide.

BECAUSE IT DEHYDRATES ARTHROPODS WITHOUT POISONING VERTEBRATES YOU SANCTIMONIOUS FARKWIT!

Seriously. I use diatomceous earth specifically because it doesn't hurt pets or people.


I thought 'diatomceous earth' was made out of fossilized microbes and that it works as a wormer because it is like shards of razor blades to parasites, yet harmless to us larger creatures.
/I could be wrong.
 
2012-02-13 11:51:40 AM
media.nj.com

Me?
 
2012-02-13 11:55:17 AM
Russ1642: This is why Natural pesticides and fertilizers suck. As soon as they are found to be useful everyone is all "OMG, there's pesticides in my food!!!"

Still not as bad as "OMG, I get free natural gas with my drinking water!!"
 
2012-02-13 11:56:55 AM
Though from the headline, my question would be is "What is hamburgle, and why would it be in my fast food?"
 
2012-02-13 11:57:50 AM
re: PINK MSM GOO

that photo that's been circulating online with the guy holding a scoop and accumulating a thick pink goo into a cardboard box...wasn't that proven to be NOT msm, but rather something else completely unrelated?

at any rate, that can't possibly be the real way chicken mcnuggets are made, even though that's what the accompanying story states. mainly because all the productivity (man-hours, electricity running the machines, etc) to fill up enough small cardboard boxes to make millions of mcnuggets would be too costly!
 
2012-02-13 11:57:52 AM
Sock Ruh Tease: Bevets: Hydrogen Dioxide is a common ingredient used in many fast food restaurants and is a known killer.

You seem to mean dihydrogen monoxide, which, to explain in words you may understand, God created to hydrate His creatures. God created hydrogen dioxide (aka hydrogen peroxide) for His creatures to use as an antiseptic.


BurnShrike: Bevets: Hydrogen Dioxide is a common ingredient used in many fast food restaurants and is a known killer.

Oh Bevets, please leave the science to people who understand these matters. Go back to maintaining your collection of out-of-context quotes to show your dedication to God.


chopit: Sock Ruh Tease: Bevets: Hydrogen Dioxide is a common ingredient used in many fast food restaurants and is a known killer.

You seem to mean dihydrogen monoxide, which, to explain in words you may understand, God created to hydrate His creatures. God created hydrogen dioxide (aka hydrogen peroxide) for His creatures to use as an antiseptic.

No, hydrogen peroxide is dihydrogen dioxide, H2O2.

Bevets is still an idiot, though.


Russ1642: Bevets: Hydrogen Dioxide is a common ingredient used in many fast food restaurants and is a known killer.

When making fun of people you might want to maybe look up the formula for water and not make yourself look like an idiot. Others have pointed it out already but I just wanted to pile on.


meat0918: meat0918: Sock Ruh Tease: Bevets: Hydrogen Dioxide is a common ingredient used in many fast food restaurants and is a known killer.

You seem to mean dihydrogen monoxide, which, to explain in words you may understand, God created to hydrate His creatures. God created hydrogen dioxide (aka hydrogen peroxide) for His creatures to use as an antiseptic.

He tried to make made a funny. It's progress.

FTFM


Now that's some trollin'
 
2012-02-13 11:57:54 AM
Honest Bender: 8. Meat paste-goop (mechanically separated meat)

Why do people get their panties in a twist over this one? It's not significantly different than, say, ground meat. It's just more processed. Big whoop. Still tastes like delicious animal. And you can form it into such neat shapes!


Contamination from thing's like Mad Cow disease. All the paste isn't separated out like fillets and cut choices. You can ruin hundreds of pounds of meat, and contaminate thousands of people.
 
2012-02-13 12:00:30 PM
Clicked expecting beaver ass, left disappointed.
 
2012-02-13 12:03:14 PM
meat0918: The only ones you might want to be concerned about are the silly putty, the TBHQ, and the ammonium sulfate.

Don't go eating it by the spoonful, but small amounts of ammonium sulfate won't harm you. Your body's metabolism already produces its own ammonium ions (which are turned into urea) and sulfate is present in lots of stuff including sea salt.
 
2012-02-13 12:04:09 PM
There's also a lot of water in fast food, which is also found, among other places, in human fecal material and rhinoceros corpses.
 
2012-02-13 12:08:30 PM
Fark Me Runnin: [i102.photobucket.com image 596x329]

/not fat


You sound fat.
 
2012-02-13 12:11:32 PM
bungle_jr: re: PINK MSM GOO

that photo that's been circulating online with the guy holding a scoop and accumulating a thick pink goo into a cardboard box...wasn't that proven to be NOT msm, but rather something else completely unrelated?

at any rate, that can't possibly be the real way chicken mcnuggets are made, even though that's what the accompanying story states. mainly because all the productivity (man-hours, electricity running the machines, etc) to fill up enough small cardboard boxes to make millions of mcnuggets would be too costly!


Either way, it's been a decade since McDonald's used mechanically separated chicken.
 
2012-02-13 12:15:06 PM
meanmutton: bungle_jr: re: PINK MSM GOO

that photo that's been circulating online with the guy holding a scoop and accumulating a thick pink goo into a cardboard box...wasn't that proven to be NOT msm, but rather something else completely unrelated?

at any rate, that can't possibly be the real way chicken mcnuggets are made, even though that's what the accompanying story states. mainly because all the productivity (man-hours, electricity running the machines, etc) to fill up enough small cardboard boxes to make millions of mcnuggets would be too costly!

Either way, it's been a decade since McDonald's used mechanically separated chicken.


most cheaply made pressed/formed "meats" are made from msm/scrap meat. no big surprise there.
 
2012-02-13 12:17:56 PM
Bevets: Hydrogen Dioxide is a common ingredient used in many fast food restaurants and is a known killer.

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2012-02-13 12:26:14 PM
pastorkius: doglover: diatomceous earth, commonly used as a pesticide.

BECAUSE IT DEHYDRATES ARTHROPODS WITHOUT POISONING VERTEBRATES YOU SANCTIMONIOUS FARKWIT!

People who knowingly distribute bad information should be whipped. People who unknowingly distribute it should be educated, then whipped also so's they don't forget.

I like that they highlight ammonium sulfate too as a yeast nutrient. I'm surprised they didn't add urea, which can be added to beer, wine, and hard ciders as a yeast nutrient. Urea is a component of urine, so when you have a beer you're basically drinking pee!



LOL Someone managed to get "American beer" into this thread. Good job dood!
 
2012-02-13 12:26:55 PM
bungle_jr: meanmutton: bungle_jr: re: PINK MSM GOO

that photo that's been circulating online with the guy holding a scoop and accumulating a thick pink goo into a cardboard box...wasn't that proven to be NOT msm, but rather something else completely unrelated?

at any rate, that can't possibly be the real way chicken mcnuggets are made, even though that's what the accompanying story states. mainly because all the productivity (man-hours, electricity running the machines, etc) to fill up enough small cardboard boxes to make millions of mcnuggets would be too costly!

Either way, it's been a decade since McDonald's used mechanically separated chicken.

most cheaply made pressed/formed "meats" are made from msm/scrap meat. no big surprise there.


Even when people were passing around that pink paste that was supposed to be McNugget meat, I thought "What do you think sausage is?"

Lots of things we happily eat aren't appetizing before they reach the supermarket. Meat is made of flesh sliced from the carcasses of slaughtered animals. That's grisly if you think about it, but it's still delicious. Eggs are reproductive cells of birds. Milk is their lactation. Have you ever smelled a cow? If crops are fertilized with phospates then they're grown in dried cow shiat. Why doesn't the tard author mention that in her parade of supposed horribles?

We're machines built to turn the bodies and byproducts of other living creatures into the materials for our own bodies and into energy and byproucts. I don't sit all day and think "ew, gross, I turned that oatmeal I ate this morning into poo!"
 
2012-02-13 12:27:32 PM
i219.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-13 12:30:20 PM
indylaw: bungle_jr: meanmutton: bungle_jr: re: PINK MSM GOO

that photo that's been circulating online with the guy holding a scoop and accumulating a thick pink goo into a cardboard box...wasn't that proven to be NOT msm, but rather something else completely unrelated?

at any rate, that can't possibly be the real way chicken mcnuggets are made, even though that's what the accompanying story states. mainly because all the productivity (man-hours, electricity running the machines, etc) to fill up enough small cardboard boxes to make millions of mcnuggets would be too costly!

Either way, it's been a decade since McDonald's used mechanically separated chicken.

most cheaply made pressed/formed "meats" are made from msm/scrap meat. no big surprise there.

Even when people were passing around that pink paste that was supposed to be McNugget meat, I thought "What do you think sausage is?"

Lots of things we happily eat aren't appetizing before they reach the supermarket. Meat is made of flesh sliced from the carcasses of slaughtered animals. That's grisly if you think about it, but it's still delicious. Eggs are reproductive cells of birds. Milk is their lactation. Have you ever smelled a cow? If crops are fertilized with phospates then they're grown in dried cow shiat. Why doesn't the tard author mention that in her parade of supposed horribles?

We're machines built to turn the bodies and byproducts of other living creatures into the materials for our own bodies and into energy and byproucts. I don't sit all day and think "ew, gross, I turned that oatmeal I ate this morning into poo!"


Sorry, I meant that milk is cow lactation (bird milk would be a neat trick) and that if we don't use chemical fertilizer our choice is cow shiat (or rotting garbage we call "compost")
 
2012-02-13 12:30:53 PM
L-Cystiene (which I am assuming is what the duck feathers in the headline are referring to) is found in most commercial flour. I'm a Baker by trade, and it's in the flour we get use. It's awkward when someone asks for vegan friendly bread.
 
2012-02-13 12:37:59 PM
indylaw: (bird milk would be a neat trick)

What about platypus milk? They secrete it through the pours of their skin. Imagine that job title - Platypus Lactation Absorber.
 
2012-02-13 12:41:00 PM
dogdaze: [i219.photobucket.com image 550x750]

"Any ingredients in Latin or Sciencese?"

You mean like citric acid? Sodium bicarbonate? Beta carotene?

ZOMG, frankenfood!
 
2012-02-13 12:47:18 PM
"Don't eat anything your grandmother wouldn't recognize as food"

My grandmothers are both dead. I guess I'm stuck with an all-BRAAAAAIIINS diet.
 
2012-02-13 12:49:13 PM
Pesticides, additives and so forth are present in foods in minute quantities. I found the recipe for a famous brand of cake blowing in the wind once (one of the guys on my parent's street worked in the R&D department of the company in question) and it contained tonnes of some ingredients (flour) and minute sub-gram quantities of others (additives). One gram in a 1,000,000 is not a lot, these additives were present in smaller quantities.

And it's true we know nothing whatsoever of the interactions between the tens of thousands of man-made chemicals to which we are exposed every day. On the other hand, we are living longer and healthier than ever, and we know that cancer is largely a disease of old age that we are getting more of because we are dying less of other, earlier killers, such as childhood disease.

In short, the ingredients in food that really make you sick aren't the new, the unfamiliar, the outlandishly-named, the dubiously sourced, etc. They are the familiar old grandfathered ingredients which I call the white deaths: salt, sugar, oil, fat, starch and other processed, bleached carbohydrates, and so forth. You're more likely to choke on a chicken bone eating a whole roast chicken than you are to die from eating pink goo.

Organic foods can have some benefits (such as not using a lot of natural-gas based fertilizers and not being shipped from 5,000 miles away--usually). Whole foods are definitely better than processed. But if food was as dangerous as people think it is, we'd be dying young and very, very sick indeed.

Researchers looked into why maple syrup didn't taste like it used to and discovered the reason was that the new ways of producing it--with plastic pipes collecting the maple syrup directly from the trees and taking it to the boiler instead of open buckets as is traditional, meant there was a lot less bark, twigs, dead leaves, mouse turds, etc., in the syrup, leaving it tasting blandly of maple syrup instead of accidental additives in small quantities. In short, the modern product was too pure. It was the filth that gave the product that extra bit of "natural" flavour you get from mouse droppings and urine.

Tough shiat. Industry will never be able to replicate the complex impurities which give the artisanal old world product its flavour and richness. Meat (especially game) is hung for a certain period of time to "ripen" a bit. That gives the meat its flavour and tenderness. Freshly killed meat can be tough and bland. Basically you need tiny bit of spoilage to enhance the flavour--spoilage being different from contamination with toxins or microbes in that it seldom is poisonous. You can eat a lot of spoiled food and do--beer, cheese, pickles, etc., are all spoiled by fermentation but they are not made much more toxic, even when bacteria or mold are involved.

In short, natural old-timey food was often horribly dangerous. Before the FDA, anything you ate was probably adulterated unless you made it yourself, from the purest, freshest ingredients and then stored or consumed just so.

I recommend the P.T. Barnum book, Humbugs of the World, because it is entertaining, fascinating and one of the first books to debunk all kinds of fraud, cons, and crooked dealings.

You will learn how manufacturers and merchants increased their profits before the modern corporation:

sand in salt, sugar, flour; poisonous colourings, flavourings and exteneders in spices, condiments, meats, etc.; watering of meat, milk and other foods, and so forth.

Things which we associate with China and other unregulated or uncontrolled markets today, things like chalk water sold as milk (with resultant malnutrition and deaths among infants) were common in the West a century ago. It was only government regulation that put an end to these practices, and it is only government regulation that can, except in some cases where an industry will regulate itself in order to avoid the damage done to sales--but that is only possible where the industry is concentrated and where the sales are really threatened by public disgust or anger.

In short, don't trust anybody absolutely when it comes to nutrition--they all have something to sell and mostly it is misinformation. Even doctors have their little ways of Bullshiatting you, although they often mean well or have been mislead by pharmaceutical companies or others, including cranks.

Knowledge does not entirely take the place of common sense, it merely informs and supplements it.
 
2012-02-13 12:50:26 PM
If I ate Chinese women's hair does that make me a cannibal? Baked apple pie is people!
 
2012-02-13 12:53:23 PM
It's been awhile since I've read an article that so completely misrepresents the truth. Yes, there is crap in all fast food, but what they listed here, are not only not creepy, they are the least noxious and most of them are not from the sources indicated (the silicon dioxide is not sand, for example, though sand is one of this substance's polymorphs. The only really creepy one is the mechanically separated meat (aka pre-chewed meat).
 
2012-02-13 12:54:28 PM
Food contains ingredients? Ewwwww!
 
2012-02-13 12:59:15 PM
brantgoose: ingredients which I call the white deaths: salt, sugar, oil, fat, starch and other processed, bleached carbohydrates, and so forth.

I bet that you're the most clever person in your book circle. Do all your friends tell you that you're clever? Because you're clever.
 
2012-02-13 01:00:30 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-02-13 01:11:21 PM
FTA: Silly Putty plastic (dimethylpolysiloxane)It is the secret ingredient that keeps fryer oil from foaming. McDonald's Filet-O-Fish and French fries have it, as do Wendy's Natural-Cut Fries With Sea Salt.

Where do these "journalists" get their info? I worked for a french fry/hashbrown production facility for 8 years and there were no anti-foaming agents in any of the oils we used. We had anti-foaming agents used in other parts of the plant but all they were was vegetable based oil solutions.
 
2012-02-13 01:14:30 PM
Super Chronic: Not to mention, most of it includes at least trace amounts of DHMO, which is found in cancerous tumors, is a major component of acid rain, and causes severe skin damage with prolonged exposure in its solid form.

That, and what no one will tell you (its something we all know too much about down here in New Orleans), is that dangerous levels of DHMO in the Gulf was the reason for thousands of deaths during Katrina. The lamestream media blamed the hurricane-force winds, but those of us who aren't sheeple know it was the DHMO levels.
 
2012-02-13 01:18:39 PM
Rav Tokomi: Clicked expecting beaver ass, left disappointed.

I always wondered how they found out it tastes like raspberries?
 
2012-02-13 02:19:45 PM
krapps.com

Ok. It's real food.....I still don't want to eat it though.
 
2012-02-13 02:22:21 PM
hitmanric: FTA: Silly Putty plastic (dimethylpolysiloxane)It is the secret ingredient that keeps fryer oil from foaming. McDonald's Filet-O-Fish and French fries have it, as do Wendy's Natural-Cut Fries With Sea Salt.

Where do these "journalists" get their info? I worked for a french fry/hashbrown production facility for 8 years and there were no anti-foaming agents in any of the oils we used. We had anti-foaming agents used in other parts of the plant but all they were was vegetable based oil solutions.


It's not journalism. It's a hit piece generated by a content mill, designed to make yuppie moms, liberal-arts-college vegan chicks and conspiracy theorists feel good about their choice to be better than you by buying only organic, cruelty-free, "all-natural" products. Brought to you by Whole Foods.

Facts and common sense are a distraction here.
 
2012-02-13 02:31:48 PM
indylaw: hitmanric: FTA: Silly Putty plastic (dimethylpolysiloxane)It is the secret ingredient that keeps fryer oil from foaming. McDonald's Filet-O-Fish and French fries have it, as do Wendy's Natural-Cut Fries With Sea Salt.

Where do these "journalists" get their info? I worked for a french fry/hashbrown production facility for 8 years and there were no anti-foaming agents in any of the oils we used. We had anti-foaming agents used in other parts of the plant but all they were was vegetable based oil solutions.

It's not journalism. It's a hit piece generated by a content mill, designed to make yuppie moms, liberal-arts-college vegan chicks and conspiracy theorists feel good about their choice to be better than you by buying only organic, cruelty-free, "all-natural" products. Brought to you by Whole Foods.

Facts and common sense are a distraction here.


Unfortunately, facts and common sense are often opposed. Take "Household vinegar cuts grease". Household vinegar is polar, grease is non-polar. Vinegar does not cut grease like a soap or detergent does. It does not surround grease molecules like soap does. Maybe there is a different chemical action, but it does not cut grease!

What's frustrating is I get lumped in with these nutballs, and ostracized by otherwise sane people when I point out the misinformation they are spreading, while simultaneously getting poked at by other people because they think I am one of the nutballs.

I know, I know. You can't reason people out of a position they did not reason themselves into.
 
2012-02-13 02:41:13 PM
hitmanric: FTA: Silly Putty plastic (dimethylpolysiloxane)It is the secret ingredient that keeps fryer oil from foaming. McDonald's Filet-O-Fish and French fries have it, as do Wendy's Natural-Cut Fries With Sea Salt.

Where do these "journalists" get their info? I worked for a french fry/hashbrown production facility for 8 years and there were no anti-foaming agents in any of the oils we used. We had anti-foaming agents used in other parts of the plant but all they were was vegetable based oil solutions.


I've seen recipes for silly putty. Remember - one of the requirements for it was that it be edible(if not nutritious), because you were giving it to young kids.

Egoy3k: Cellulose they are up in arms about cellulose, not because it's bad for you, nope just because it comes from trees it is therefore icky and bad.

Honestly nothing on that list surprised me or put me off of fast food any more than the crappy quality of food already did.


Pretty much. Cellulose is also known as 'Dietary fiber', and it's in most plant foods. Carrots, Broccoli, etc... I also agree - nothing in that list is pissing me off.

One of the reasons we also use these products in non-food items is because they're non-toxic, rendering said non-food items safer in case of a toddler or somebody stupid.
 
2012-02-13 02:50:40 PM
interestingly I posted a comment on an article about the 24 "dangerous chemicals in a big mac", things like ascorbic acid and calcium carbonate, the "nurse" that wrote the article looked up the MSDS for each "chemical" but not the common name, my comment was never posted but the article was changed and the innocuous chemicals were removed from the list.
 
2012-02-13 02:55:22 PM
meat0918: Unfortunately, facts and common sense are often opposed.

I'm referring more to the tendency of this article to sensationalize fairly innocuous food additives or fertilizers (many of which come from natural sources) as disgusting because they are associated with things that we find unappetizing. Take L-Cystiene. As has been stated, it's a common additive in flour used to make dough easier to work with. We've all eaten it and none of us has been sickened by it or felt that we were eating something disgusting or unwholesome when we eat breads that contain that additive. In order to make us feel bad about eating it, the author has to gin up the fact that it's often manufactured using feathers or sometimes human hair. So farking what? Chicken meat was in contact with feathers at one point. I've found hairs in my food before, and while it's not a pleasant texture, I don't break down into a pants-shiatting tard because I had a hair in my mouth.

L-Cystiene is not feathers or hair, any more than water is the urine in which the water's constituent molecules was the solvent prior to evaporation and rain. It's an amino acid that you can find in all sorts of foods. It's only scary because it's got a crazy chemical name.

Same with the food dye that is derive from beetle carapaces. For someone who claims to prefer natural foods, it's ridiculous to gripe about an all-natural dye. The article sensationalizes the dye because it's derived from bugs, and bugs are gross. That's the whole criticism - the same person probably thinks nothing of eating crab or lobster, even though they are arthropods.

You'd think that the author could find seriously disturbing food products... human bone meal... heavy metals... known carcinogens. Instead the author brings up a parade of horribles that are pretty simple, naturally derived food products that we've all happily eaten. If we've all eaten it and it's proven safe and it is useful, who cares if it comes from a source that some might consider gross? Just about every food we eat comes from something gross. Meat is dead animals. Honey is bee puke. Beer and bread are made from rancid grain products. Wine is made from rotten grapes. Cheese is made from curdled milk solids left to sit in a cool place from months until it stinks. Organic produce is grown in a steaming pile of cow shiat or decomposing garbage.

Who gives a shiat? The only people that waste their time worrying about the stuff in this list are rich twits.
 
2012-02-13 02:56:50 PM
If you can eat chicken after seeing how they are kept in cages knee deep in their own shiat, beetle carapaces aren't all that unappealing. This article is full of alarmist bullshiat.
 
2012-02-13 03:43:47 PM
What, no human embryo?
 
2012-02-13 05:01:19 PM
planetpov.com
 
2012-02-13 08:33:44 PM
no talk about ashes?

/added to flour as filler
 
2012-02-13 10:21:24 PM
Dead for Tax Reasons: 7. Beetle juices

Don't you hate it when that happens?


This bears repeating... About 3 times should do it.
 
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