Vote Republican.

Our ancestors did this? Well that settles it, I'm desecrating every grave I see from now on.

Still not news.

/Old news is old.

This is not the global warming you are looking for

So a few thousand Bantu farmers may have affected the climate but it's inconceivable that 6 billion people in a highly industrialised world could possibly do the same?

The key passage in TFA is, "So it remains unclear whether changing climate conditions created the savannas that made Bantu-style farming possible or if Bantu-style farming created the conditions for savannas and changed the climate. What is clear is that "the environmental impact of human population in the central African rainforest was already significant about 2,500 years ago," as the researchers write in the paper presenting their findings published online in Science on February 9.".

Mentat: This whole idea that humans can't change nature is just silly. When humans first colonized the Americas 43K years ago, they set off a chain of ecological changes that included the extinction of most of the large ice age mammals. Columbus set off another ecological change with his voyages that resulted in massive cross-colonization of every kingdom of life across the planet. Changing our environment is one of the hallmarks of being human.


. . . it's the smell.

Climate change thread?

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They can't prove conclusively that the Bantu changed the climate in Africa. But it was the Bantu that changed the climate in Africa.

Savage Belief: They can't prove conclusively that the Bantu changed the climate in Africa. But it was the Bantu that changed the climate in Africa.

and since the Bantu caused climate change, then by extrapolating out to the current population and the new ways we have to get fossil fuels, the earth should be a gazillion degrees right now.

Black peoples problem.


/Black history month

Lionel Mandrake: ghare: Climate change thread?

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So...anything intelligent to say?

Sure: You're slow, newbie! The fast ones go right by you! You got a hole in your glove! I keep pitching them and you keep missing them! You gotta keep your eye on the ball! Eye. Ball. Eye ball! Almost had a gag son. Joke, that is.

/When the green-texted attention whore shows up later, you'll know what I mean.

torch: The plains indians regularly burned off encroaching forest growth for a few centuries. There are now more trees in the US than any time since the last ice age. So there's that.

Back in the day there were 14 to 16 huge trees per acre. The same forests may now average 300 to 600 trees per acre (as I recall). Fires slithered across the forest floor and rarely crowned. It was a good thing. You could drive buggy's through forests that are difficult to walk through now. Acreage of forest is (I believe) more relevant than number of trees and is likely dramatically less.

When the Indigenous nation's convalesced into large agricultural groups, they
were often responsible for the local extinction of large fauna and denuding of the proximal forest's.

Funny ... most charts show the big change starting at the industrial revolution.

I see that everybody has been reading 1491 and 1493.

There must be some reason that most people who think 7 billion humans can't cause a climate change are the same ones that believe in God.

Is it because that if humans, by our science and technological advancement, ruin the Earth God does not exist?

Painless childbirth, fields without toil, generically modified snake legs. If we can negate the curses of God through science, can we not also disrupt his natural order?

zepillin: torch: The plains indians regularly burned off encroaching forest growth for a few centuries. There are now more trees in the US than any time since the last ice age. So there's that.

Back in the day there were 14 to 16 huge trees per acre. The same forests may now average 300 to 600 trees per acre (as I recall). Fires slithered across the forest floor and rarely crowned. It was a good thing. You could drive buggy's through forests that are difficult to walk through now. Acreage of forest is (I believe) more relevant than number of trees and is likely dramatically less. dramatically more in the last 120 years.



ftfy.

Okay. I get it. To preserve the ecological balance, the human race needs to get down to a manageable ten million or so worldwide. It's the only way. Who wants to be first in line for the disintegration chambers?

Matthew Keene: Okay. I get it. To preserve the ecological balance, the human race needs to get down to a manageable ten million or so worldwide. It's the only way. Who wants to be first in line for the disintegration chambers?

I volunteer not to reproduce.


/as if I need to volunteer

opps, convalesced ? i was thinking coagulated like blood, sort of. I meant to say congregate or rather I wanted to create a new word as in congulated. I like that!

"When the Indigenous nation's congulated into large agricultural groups"

sun worship, blood sacrifices, cannibalism

you know bloody gatherings, congulated and consummated

tenpoundsofcheese: zepillin: torch: The plains indians regularly burned off encroaching forest growth for a few centuries. There are now more trees in the US than any time since the last ice age. So there's that.

Back in the day there were 14 to 16 huge trees per acre. The same forests may now average 300 to 600 trees per acre (as I recall). Fires slithered across the forest floor and rarely crowned. It was a good thing. You could drive buggy's through forests that are difficult to walk through now. Acreage of forest is (I believe) more relevant than number of trees and is likely dramatically less. dramatically more in the last 120 years.



ftfy.

The net change in forest area in the period 2000-2010 is estimated at -5.2 million hectares per year (an area about the size of Costa Rica), down from -8.3 million hectares per year in the period 1990-2000.

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That took me 10 seconds on google, but you're not interested in facts, are ya?

I have thought the Congo has to be the most beautiful place on earth. I would love to live there; except nearly every plant and animal there will kill you, and then eat you.

Bantu or its various forms means the people or humans.

Can somebody graph the number of Bantu people vs. Climate Change please?
Not enough pirates?

There's still alot of carbon and waste product in the glacial ice from the Roman silver mining operations from western Europe and North Africa. It's something like 1 ton of silver for every 80 tons of earth that was effectively exhausted from the smelting plants into the atmosphere. The big problem with that is that rome was making a few hundred tons of silver every year for quite a long time. It all adds up to some terrible contamination worldwide.

.tenpoundsofcheese: zepillin: torch: The plains indians regularly burned off encroaching forest growth for a few centuries. There are now more trees in the US than any time since the last ice age. So there's that.

Back in the day there were 14 to 16 huge trees per acre. The same forests may now average 300 to 600 trees per acre (as I recall). Fires slithered across the forest floor and rarely crowned. It was a good thing. You could drive buggy's through forests that are difficult to walk through now. Acreage of forest is (I believe) more relevant than number of trees and is likely dramatically less. dramatically more in the last 120 years.



ftfy.

If it ain't broke don't fix it

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ghare: Lionel Mandrake: ghare: Climate change thread?

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So...anything intelligent to say?

Sure: You're slow, newbie! The fast ones go right by you! You got a hole in your glove! I keep pitching them and you keep missing them! You gotta keep your eye on the ball! Eye. Ball. Eye ball! Almost had a gag son. Joke, that is.

/When the green-texted attention whore shows up later, you'll know what I mean.

Hey! Just because I turn every climate change thread into a discussion of my various deviant sexual practices and post raunchy pics of myself standing in front of pirate vs global temperature graphs doesn't make me an attention wh....

Oh wait, you mean that General guy? Yeah, he'll be greenshiatting all over this thread soon enough.

Mentat: Changing our environment is one of the hallmarks of being human.

Sure. Clothing and buildings and roads and bridges aren't natural. Thay are Man's way of adapting the world to His needs.

AverageAmericanGuy: Vote Republican.

It's because of people like you human's didn't invent the modern computer 2000 years ago. Religious fark heads like you stopped people from understanding science for thousands of years because you are slow and dumb. Can't let religion go. Gotta be all republican and shiat. Because of people like you we are just now inventing these things. We could be 2000 years ahead in ipad technology but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO had to have dinner with baby Jesus and fark little boys. Such a waste of time. Time to put God away and get with the program.

Just kidding. You're cool. forget what I just said. Never mind. Preach on, bro.

Our Present Forest

"About 30 percent of the 2.3 billion acres of land area (745 million acres) in the U.S. is forest today as compared to about one-half in 1630 (1.0 billion acres). Some 300 million acres of forest land have been converted to other uses since 1630, predominantly because of agricultural uses in the East."

Most of that reduction has occurred east of the Rockies.

Ain't much left there any more.

Matthew Keene: Okay. I get it. To preserve the ecological balance, the human race needs to get down to a manageable ten million or so worldwide. It's the only way. Who wants to be first in line for the disintegration chambers?


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You know, in every country where women get to go to school and get access to birth control, the rate of population growth becomes negative. Which is why population experts expect the population to peak around 9 billion or so, and then decline. So there's no real need for disintegration chambers. Just some books and the pill.

torch: There are now more trees in the US than any time since the last ice age.

And there are so many trees only because we burn fossil fuels now.

/And isn't it ironic

If anyone is interested in a good book on the ability of civilizations to change/destroy their environments, pick up Collapse by Jared Diamond.

It's almost as if humans are predisposed to do this sort of thing.

Climate change? Pfft, that's nothing.

The book I'm reading right now claims the Amazon rainforest may be a human invention...

AverageAmericanGuy: Vote Republican.

And vote for human extinction.

/derp.

zepillin: Our Present Forest

"About 30 percent of the 2.3 billion acres of land area (745 million acres) in the U.S. is forest today as compared to about one-half in 1630 (1.0 billion acres). Some 300 million acres of forest land have been converted to other uses since 1630, predominantly because of agricultural uses in the East."

Most of that reduction has occurred east of the Rockies.

Ain't much left there any more.

Maybe in the northeast, but you've obviously never been in the southeast. Georgia is practically one big forest.

DRTFA, but you need look no further than Easter Island if you want to see the devastating effects that humans can have on an ecosystem:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Island (new window)

The Envoy: So a few thousand Bantu farmers may have affected the climate but it's inconceivable that 6 billion people in a highly industrialised world could possibly do the same?

The key passage in TFA is, "So it remains unclear whether changing climate conditions created the savannas that made Bantu-style farming possible or if Bantu-style farming created the conditions for savannas and changed the climate. What is clear is that "the environmental impact of human population in the central African rainforest was already significant about 2,500 years ago," as the researchers write in the paper presenting their findings published online in Science on February 9.".

Actually, it's not just us industrialized folks...ordinary woodsmoke from cooking fires, used by a billion or so people, while small individually, put out a HUGE amount of soot daily. Harder to regulate than one big powerplant, of course.

Want to help the environment? Get third-worlders access to modern energy sources.

There's a difference between a forest and just a lot of trees.

Damn sodbusters!

PunGent: Actually, it's not just us industrialized folks...ordinary woodsmoke from cooking fires, used by a billion or so people, while small individually, put out a HUGE amount of soot daily. Harder to regulate than one big powerplant, of course.

Want to help the environment? Get third-worlders access to modern energy sources.

Except that soot, while a local air quality issue, hasn't got much to do with carbon cycle-based climate change*. Wood fires are carbon-neutral, they get their fuel from plants that spent their lives soaking up atmospheric carbon. No net change, unlike with "modern" fuels that extract carbon from deep below ground and pump it into the environment.

*It can actually have a slight cooling effect by reducing the amount of sunlight that reaches the ground.

PunGent: Actually, it's not just us industrialized folks...ordinary woodsmoke from cooking fires, used by a billion or so people, while small individually, put out a HUGE amount of soot daily. Harder to regulate than one big powerplant, of course.

Want to help the environment? Get third-worlders access to modern energy sources.

I know. Those solar ovens are fantastic but I think they're over-priced to become commonplace in the third world.

Bah. The old world will burn in the fires of industry.