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(The Week)   Meet Jack Kevorkian's successor, Lawrence Egbert   (theweek.com ) divider line
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2012-02-12 05:45:04 PM  
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2012-02-12 06:33:53 PM  
Yeah, you mean successor, smits.
 
2012-02-12 08:12:24 PM  
God bless him. Anyone who provides euthanasia to those in need is a goddamned saint as far as I'm concerned.

"Man has the right to die when and how he will."
 
2012-02-12 08:20:09 PM  

shivashakti: God bless him. Anyone who provides euthanasia to those in need is a goddamned saint as far as I'm concerned.

"Man has the right to die when and how he will."


Ditto. If you do not own your life, you are a slave.
 
2012-02-12 08:54:57 PM  
He's doing good work, but the allegations that the Final Exit Network "guides" hold down the arms of the patient to prevent the reflexive attempt to remove the hood seems dangerously close to murder.

This is really why Dr. Kevorkian's drug-based suicide device is so much better and less ambiguous than the hood. The patient presses the button, the drugs are administered, and he dies. With the hood, the patient has 30-50 seconds to rethink and attempt to remove the hood. If he is prevented from taking it off, even if it is his wish to abort the suicide, the morality of the action of the guides is in serious question.
 
2012-02-12 10:07:03 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: He's doing good work, but the allegations that the Final Exit Network "guides" hold down the arms of the patient to prevent the reflexive attempt to remove the hood seems dangerously close to murder.

This is really why Dr. Kevorkian's drug-based suicide device is so much better and less ambiguous than the hood. The patient presses the button, the drugs are administered, and he dies. With the hood, the patient has 30-50 seconds to rethink and attempt to remove the hood. If he is prevented from taking it off, even if it is his wish to abort the suicide, the morality of the action of the guides is in serious question.


I can't help but think if we had legal assisted suicide in more places, people wouldn't be reduced to killing themselves with helium. Sounds like Dr. Kevorkian's method was a better way to get out of this world.

I don't understand why we put a higher value on a pulse than a person in this country.
 
2012-02-12 10:23:24 PM  
img689.imageshack.us
 
2012-02-12 10:34:53 PM  
That evil little guy from Dilbert? Doesn't surprise me.
 
2012-02-12 10:37:22 PM  
Billy Connolly: We called him Eggbert because he worked at the egg factory...
 
2012-02-12 10:37:56 PM  
His last words were in a high pitched daffy duck sort.
/very honorable.
//jk, i'd rather chug morphine if i were in same situation
 
2012-02-12 10:39:48 PM  
sad tag for helium tanks inevitably getting yanked off the shelves.
 
2012-02-12 10:41:25 PM  
I hope he isn't found guilty of any crimes. I don't consider the guy a saint or anything like that but let's not pretend anyone that calls him for help isn't desperate for relief. The guy is providing a compassionate service to people in pain. The politics of the issue often cloud justice. In this case and at this time, he may be the lucky social issue de jour that brings the grumpy old party faithful back together.
 
2012-02-12 10:41:43 PM  
He doesn't look that dangerous to me:

lightersideofwow.com
 
2012-02-12 10:42:12 PM  
Why is it seen humane to put down any animal who will be suffering until they die, unless that animal is a human?
 
2012-02-12 10:45:26 PM  

TimonC346: Why is it seen humane to put down any animal who will be suffering until they die, unless that animal is a human?


Some individuals, including at least one Farker, believe that terminally ill humans are morally obligated to suffer for as long as their life may physically be prolonged through medical technology.
 
2012-02-12 10:47:18 PM  

TimonC346: Why is it seen humane to put down any animal who will be suffering until they die, unless that animal is a human?


Because Jesus and Mother Theresa say so. Suffering needlessly is a good thing, doncha know?
 
2012-02-12 10:47:30 PM  
TimonC346: Why is it seen humane to put down any animal who will be suffering until they die, unless that animal is a human?

Money.
 
2012-02-12 10:48:00 PM  
Thanks for this, Subby! My class is going over the basic rights of humans, and the right to continue or end life has come up. I'll be using this. Thanks again!
 
2012-02-12 10:50:43 PM  

LawyersRock: TimonC346: Why is it seen humane to put down any animal who will be suffering until they die, unless that animal is a human?

Because Jesus and Mother Theresa say so. Suffering needlessly is a good thing, doncha know?


Not only is it such a good thing that I should do it, I'm gonna force you to suffer as well.
 
2012-02-12 10:57:37 PM  
The former Secretary of State?
 
2012-02-12 11:02:39 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: He's doing good work, but the allegations that the Final Exit Network "guides" hold down the arms of the patient to prevent the reflexive attempt to remove the hood seems dangerously close to murder.


That sounds fairly made up. How exactly would that information get out? The people holding down the patient are blabbing? The doctor blabs?
 
2012-02-12 11:06:12 PM  

Shvetz: AverageAmericanGuy: He's doing good work, but the allegations that the Final Exit Network "guides" hold down the arms of the patient to prevent the reflexive attempt to remove the hood seems dangerously close to murder.

That sounds fairly made up. How exactly would that information get out? The people holding down the patient are blabbing? The doctor blabs?


Disillusioned ex-FEN members? I don't know. It was in the article.
 
2012-02-12 11:13:31 PM  
I'm surprised that after his stroke and everything that he hasn't kicked his own bucket. I mean, I love talking shiat about movies as much as anyone, but there comes a point, ya know?
 
2012-02-12 11:17:38 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: He's doing good work, but the allegations that the Final Exit Network "guides" hold down the arms of the patient to prevent the reflexive attempt to remove the hood seems dangerously close to murder.

This is really why Dr. Kevorkian's drug-based suicide device is so much better and less ambiguous than the hood. The patient presses the button, the drugs are administered, and he dies. With the hood, the patient has 30-50 seconds to rethink and attempt to remove the hood. If he is prevented from taking it off, even if it is his wish to abort the suicide, the morality of the action of the guides is in serious question.


I know it's been a while but the reason Mr. Kevorkian went to prison for murder is because Thomas Youk, the individual who died, wasn't the one who pushed the button. Kevorkian was.
 
2012-02-12 11:20:38 PM  

pisceandreamer:
I don't understand why we put a higher value on a pulse than a person in this country.


WTF is this supposed to even mean? If you're dead, you're not a person.
 
2012-02-12 11:21:06 PM  
How is that img1.fark.net, subby? I'f I'm in agonizing pain, I'd want the option to have a caring person help me exit. He's a saint of mercy, as far as I'm concerned.
 
2012-02-12 11:21:41 PM  
"If"...
 
2012-02-12 11:21:46 PM  

TimonC346: Why is it seen humane to put down any animal who will be suffering until they die, unless that animal is a human?


Humans are sentient. I mean, seriously, do you people even think before you post this idiotic drivel?
 
2012-02-12 11:22:08 PM  
At various times, Sue said, he was taking Chantix to try to quit smoking, and taking oxycodone or applying morphine patches to manage his constant pain. "Anybody who takes that many drugs is in no position to make decisions about their lives," she said. "He was like a drowning man, and they saw it as a grand opportunity to promote their agenda and drown him."

On June 19, 2008, Sue found him lying in bed dead. The scene seemed staged, she thought.

She sifted through her husband's things and found literature from the Final Exit Network. She prayed, and then she called the coroner. A postmortem examination showed that John was cancer-free at the time of his death, according to authorities.


cancer free at the time of his death

And this is why it should be dealt with in a legal manner instead of keeping it underground. Want out? You need to be able to talk to a doctor or psychiatrist without fear of being locked up as a threat to yourself. Because right now, the police will show up at your door. Which is why illness based suicide happens without the input of anyone with any other knowledge in cases like this.

And doctors need to pay more farking attention to the mental state of their cancer patients.
 
2012-02-12 11:25:55 PM  

meanmutton: AverageAmericanGuy: He's doing good work, but the allegations that the Final Exit Network "guides" hold down the arms of the patient to prevent the reflexive attempt to remove the hood seems dangerously close to murder.

This is really why Dr. Kevorkian's drug-based suicide device is so much better and less ambiguous than the hood. The patient presses the button, the drugs are administered, and he dies. With the hood, the patient has 30-50 seconds to rethink and attempt to remove the hood. If he is prevented from taking it off, even if it is his wish to abort the suicide, the morality of the action of the guides is in serious question.

I know it's been a while but the reason Mr. Kevorkian went to prison for murder is because Thomas Youk, the individual who died, wasn't the one who pushed the button. Kevorkian was.


In theory it works out great. In practice there are all sorts of hairy ambiguities. But comparing the two methods, Kevorkian's is a one-way road but Egbert's can be stopped by the patient (unless physically restrained).
 
2012-02-12 11:26:17 PM  

meanmutton: TimonC346: Why is it seen humane to put down any animal who will be suffering until they die, unless that animal is a human?

Humans are sentient. I mean, seriously, do you people even think before you post this idiotic drivel?


You're using some big words, there, Captain Picard
 
2012-02-12 11:33:53 PM  
"I call it murder," she said. "Hitler thought he was justified in killing people he didn't think should live. This is not a far stretch from that."


big difference--in this case, you are making the decision---with hitler, it was definitely out of your hands
 
2012-02-12 11:36:46 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: meanmutton: TimonC346: Why is it seen humane to put down any animal who will be suffering until they die, unless that animal is a human?

Humans are sentient. I mean, seriously, do you people even think before you post this idiotic drivel?

You're using some big words, there, Captain Picard


Yeah. They can make their own decisions. Why shouldn't those decisions if made to end their lives be respected? Shouldn't they hold even more weight considering that they can make their own decisions?
 
2012-02-12 11:42:57 PM  
But unlike the group's current leadership, Egbert is also willing, in extreme cases, he says, to serve as an "exit guide" for patients who have suffered from depression for extended periods of time.

Not cool with that part.
 
2012-02-12 11:43:40 PM  

meanmutton: TimonC346: Why is it seen humane to put down any animal who will be suffering until they die, unless that animal is a human?

Humans are sentient. I mean, seriously, do you people even think before you post this idiotic drivel?


Earth to meanmutton: Animals are sentient, too..

Definition of SENTIENT:
1 : responsive to or conscious of sense impressions
2 : aware
 
2012-02-12 11:45:55 PM  

marsgwar: But unlike the group's current leadership, Egbert is also willing, in extreme cases, he says, to serve as an "exit guide" for patients who have suffered from depression for extended periods of time.

Not cool with that part.


Then don't kill yourself over depression.
 
2012-02-12 11:52:24 PM  

shivashakti: God bless him. Anyone who provides euthanasia to those in need is a goddamned saint as far as I'm concerned.

"Man has the right to die when and how he will."


Uh, wait... isn't that one of those contradictory terms like "jumbo shrimp" or "huge midgets" ?
 
2012-02-12 11:52:39 PM  
Suicide by a terminally ill patient should be supported and applauded by society. Thirty percent of the U.S.'s health bills go for treatment in the last year of life. Think how many younger lives could be lengthened if the money were spent there instead of prolonging the suffering lives of terminally ill people with great pain. Also, people in chronic pain should be allowed to do whatever they want with their lives. Opiates should be freely dispensed to such people.

This man is a hero.
 
2012-02-13 12:00:51 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: marsgwar: But unlike the group's current leadership, Egbert is also willing, in extreme cases, he says, to serve as an "exit guide" for patients who have suffered from depression for extended periods of time.

Not cool with that part.

Then don't kill yourself over depression.


Depressed people should be forced to suffer until they can fake happiness like the rest of us.
 
2012-02-13 12:05:35 AM  
I think we need people like him in this world, I own myself and I'll choose to die if I want
 
2012-02-13 12:06:20 AM  
i'm ok with him, and i'm also ok with people who kill themselves withOUT any help, too.
 
2012-02-13 12:07:35 AM  
You don't have the right to die, citizen. Not so long as some more money can still be wrung from your husk by the insurance company.
 
2012-02-13 12:10:07 AM  

Smackledorfer: Depressed people should be forced to suffer until they can fake happiness like the rest of us.


Doctors shouldn't help fulfill one of the symptoms of a disease.
 
2012-02-13 12:14:02 AM  

meanmutton: TimonC346: Why is it seen humane to put down any animal who will be suffering until they die, unless that animal is a human?

Humans are sentient. I mean, seriously, do you people even think before you post this idiotic drivel?


Exactly, humans are sentient. The suffering animal that gets put down has no choice in the matter - the human does. This is MORE humane.

Maybe YOU should think more before you post some idiotic drivel.
 
2012-02-13 12:14:07 AM  

marsgwar: Smackledorfer: Depressed people should be forced to suffer until they can fake happiness like the rest of us.

Doctors shouldn't help fulfill one of the symptoms of a disease.


Enter one of those "hairy ambiguities".
 
2012-02-13 12:19:30 AM  

marsgwar: Smackledorfer: Depressed people should be forced to suffer until they can fake happiness like the rest of us.

Doctors shouldn't help fulfill one of the symptoms of a disease.


How long should the doctors be allowed to fail before giving up?
 
2012-02-13 12:23:19 AM  
While I am not OK with suicide for life's general stupid maladies, I AM OK with doctor assisted suicides for terminal illnesses or diseases which will leave the sufferer of them debilitated or completely incapacitated and relying on other people's good graces to even wipe your own chin...

If you cannot die with at least some dignity, then it is a most un-noble death, and one most worth of ill words...

When I die, I'd rather it be on MY terms, at least to some degree, and not wasting away festering in my own wastes or in constant pain... I already believe I am not going to Heaven, so self inflicted death doesn't bother me as much the idea of wasting away and not even knowing my own name or last time of bowel movement...

Although, the "hood" doesn't sound completely OK with me... I liked Jack's methods... Painless, easy, and easy... This way sounds odd, especially when you have to have help to fight the body's natural "Stay alive at all costs" reflex...
 
2012-02-13 12:28:57 AM  
I saw Egbert and thought of this: Link (new window)

Eerie.
 
2012-02-13 12:29:43 AM  
Let people who seek relief in death die.
 
2012-02-13 12:34:25 AM  
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