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(MSNBC)   Arab League wants peacekeepers in Syria. D'Argo and Chiana still think it's a bad idea   (worldnews.msnbc.msn.com) divider line 115
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2012-02-12 07:53:00 PM
You know, there was a whole lot of farking on Farscape towards the end.
 
2012-02-12 07:53:15 PM
Screw peacekeeping forces, they need jets bombing the shiat out of the Syrian troops.
 
2012-02-12 07:54:28 PM

Znuh: You know, there was a whole lot of farking on Farscape towards the end.


You say that like it's a bad thing.
 
2012-02-12 07:56:41 PM
Frelling bad idea.
 
2012-02-12 07:59:49 PM
I see the Arab League, Syria, Arab Spring like this...

I don't live in any of these countries.
I don't want to live in any of these countries.
We don't need to bomb the governments.
We don't need to support the protesters/rebels.

We'd really be best off keeping our noses out of it.
Just keep a wide, respectful distance and observe from afar.

encrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
2012-02-12 07:59:58 PM
Who the yotz thought that was a good idea?
 
2012-02-12 08:00:02 PM
The life was cheap on bread and wine.
 
2012-02-12 08:00:15 PM
www.buddytv.com

/that is all.
 
2012-02-12 08:00:37 PM
Nice headline, subby.
 
2012-02-12 08:01:46 PM

Espertron: I see the Arab League, Syria, Arab Spring like this...

I don't live in any of these countries.
I don't want to live in any of these countries.
We don't need to bomb the governments.
We don't need to support the protesters/rebels.

We'd really be best off keeping our noses out of it.
Just keep a wide, respectful distance and observe from afar.


Great. So when the world goes to shiat, our kids can just... just...

what was your plan for that scenario again?
 
2012-02-12 08:01:59 PM
And by UN troops, they really need Western troops. Or maybe African. I say ya, UN troops. But Turkish, Saudi, Egyptian, etc.
 
2012-02-12 08:03:09 PM

YodaBlues: [www.buddytv.com image 294x396]

/that is all.


Love me some Claudia!
 
2012-02-12 08:03:37 PM
FTFA: Late Saturday, al-Qaida chief Ayman al-Zawahri threw the terror network's support behind Syrian rebels trying to topple President Bashar Assad

So AQ is not aligned with the Baathists after all? That's not what they said on Fox news. My worldview is shattered.
 
2012-02-12 08:04:34 PM
No sexy pale space girl yet? Here ya go-
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2012-02-12 08:08:34 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: Great. So when the world goes to shiat, our kids can just... just...

what was your plan for that scenario again?


Kumana, with respect, the world has been going to shiat for the past 5000 years. Nothing we do (especially in that region of the world) will make much difference in the positive sense.

Whenever America sticks its proverbial nose in other nation's business, it rarely ever works out for the better.

The revolutionaries and rebels of today become the theocratic dictators of tomorrow.
 
2012-02-12 08:09:57 PM

Espertron: We'd really be best off keeping our noses out of it.


Yeah, screw our fellow man! What'd they ever do for us? What do we get out of promoting the values of freedom and human dignity?

Mind you, I am not an interventionist. The Bush Doctrine was a terrible idea, but the response is not to balance that with isolationism. There needs to be a balanced foreign policy that supports so-called "American" values abroad- even when they don't align with today's US interests. That policy shouldn't involve the use of military force, except in the form of the practical threat of military force. "Walk softly and carry a big stick," is how the saying goes.
 
2012-02-12 08:15:52 PM

t3knomanser: Espertron: We'd really be best off keeping our noses out of it.

Yeah, screw our fellow man! What'd they ever do for us? What do we get out of promoting the values of freedom and human dignity?

Mind you, I am not an interventionist. The Bush Doctrine was a terrible idea, but the response is not to balance that with isolationism. There needs to be a balanced foreign policy that supports so-called "American" values abroad- even when they don't align with today's US interests. That policy shouldn't involve the use of military force, except in the form of the practical threat of military force. "Walk softly and carry a big stick," is how the saying goes.


Wait. I thought the Bush Doctrine was "Tacos Rule." How can you disagree with this?
 
2012-02-12 08:17:47 PM

Espertron: I see the Arab League, Syria, Arab Spring like this...

I don't live in any of these countries.
I don't want to live in any of these countries.
We don't need to bomb the governments.
We don't need to support the protesters/rebels.

We'd really be best off keeping our noses out of it.
Just keep a wide, respectful distance and observe from afar.

[encrypted-tbn0.google.com image 121x121]


How very pre-WW I understanding of international politics of you.
 
2012-02-12 08:25:09 PM
Headline should read: "Arab League wants UN Western Nation Peace Keepers" so they can blame them for anything that goes wrong. The Arab League is the biggest bunch of hypocrites going. When things go wrong, they sit back do nothing, protest very little. When it gets real bad, they run to the Western nations for protection and to solve their problems. This is an Arabic problem, let the oil sheiks and muslim clerics solve it. They have the religion of peace to aid them.

They are two faced. Speaking out of one side, they lambast the Western heathens as working for the devils. All the while, they cry for help from the Western nations. When was the last time, you heard of an Arabic nation helping out in a UN sanctionned event? Maybe even giving out a token effort? They are the first to raise their voices crying for some one ELSE to step in and intervene.
 
2012-02-12 08:27:51 PM
Ok folks. I'm going to go against the tide on this one.

Why did we bomb Libya, but not Syria?
Why did we support the Egyptian protesters, but not the ones in Saudi Arabia or Bahrain?
We know there are (literally) forced labor concentration camps in North Korea, but aren't storming the gates of Pyongyang to help our fellow man.
We care so much our fellow man, we build a wall to block those below our border from entering to build a better future for themselves. No such wall up north, mind you.

When it comes to the sanctimonious call of "promoting the values of freedom and human dignity", we seem quite selective (and, by default, hypocritical) about it.

I wish Humanity, collectively, would stop acting like a bunch of shiatcocks towards one another and work together to build a better future. But I don't see that happening in the immediate (or far) future.

Ok interventionalists... you want to help your fellow man, promote freedom, enhance human dignity. Great. I support that. Let's get our own house in order first. Restore our infrastructure, revitalize our economy, help our own citizenry, and perhaps lead by example. Once we get our shiat together, perhaps we'll have some moral license to tell other nations how to run their internal affairs.
 
2012-02-12 08:30:28 PM

Espertron: Let's get our own house in order first. Restore our infrastructure, revitalize our economy, help our own citizenry, and perhaps lead by example.


Of course we need to do that. Fortunately, there are millions of us. We can multitask.
 
2012-02-12 08:32:40 PM
i, for one, welcome the new world order.

how can it possibly be any worse than what we have now.
 
2012-02-12 08:33:43 PM
I find it pretty disgusting that these countries whom profess to hate America seem to find our intervention appealing when times get rough.
 
2012-02-12 08:35:26 PM
+1 subby.
 
2012-02-12 08:35:34 PM

redsquid: No sexy pale space girl yet? Here ya go-
[humptrain.files.wordpress.com image 500x629]


i440.photobucket.com
I think Sikozu was better.
 
2012-02-12 08:36:15 PM
Hey, not all PKs are bad.

images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org
 
2012-02-12 08:40:39 PM

t3knomanser: Of course we need to do that. Fortunately, there are millions of us. We can multitask.



We've been multitasking in the Middle East for 40 years now... I don't think things have improved much (if at all).
 
2012-02-12 08:43:26 PM

CygnusDarius: Znuh: You know, there was a whole lot of farking on Farscape towards the end.

You say that like it's a bad thing.


Oh man, not at all. Kinky sex is the best sex, and there were times I was like... (.)(.)

/I'll be in my bunk
 
2012-02-12 08:46:25 PM
Let's attack another country!
USA!
 
2012-02-12 08:47:49 PM

Espertron: Ok folks. I'm going to go against the tide on this one.

Why did we bomb Libya, but not Syria?
Why did we support the Egyptian protesters, but not the ones in Saudi Arabia or Bahrain?
We know there are (literally) forced labor concentration camps in North Korea, but aren't storming the gates of Pyongyang to help our fellow man.
We care so much our fellow man, we build a wall to block those below our border from entering to build a better future for themselves. No such wall up north, mind you.

When it comes to the sanctimonious call of "promoting the values of freedom and human dignity", we seem quite selective (and, by default, hypocritical) about it.


Selective is not necessarily hypocritical. There is a grim cost/benefit analysis that goes into the situations where we intervene (now, not during GWB).

Intervention in Libya was far less dangerous for the US than intervention in Syria. Breaking with Mubarak had far less consequences than breaking with the Bahrainis (i.e. the US 5th Fleet) and Saudis (i.e. the stability of the global oil market).

Unfortunately, we do what we can under the circumstances, not what we want.
 
2012-02-12 08:48:46 PM
The only thing worse than a Mexican is an Arab.
 
2012-02-12 08:49:00 PM

YodaBlues: [www.buddytv.com image 294x396]

/that is all.


I'd hit that so hard that the ship would starburst. Also, I read that headline once and thought "wtf do Farscape characters have to do with Syria?" After rereading it, I give subby a high five!
 
2012-02-12 08:50:06 PM
There's a few "bad" ideas I can think of to do with Chiana.

NSFW (new window)
 
2012-02-12 08:51:10 PM
Came for Claudia Black. Leaving satisfied.

/hot muscled brunettes are hot
//and muscle-y
 
2012-02-12 08:51:46 PM
All I know is: Chiana is nearly always DTF.
 
2012-02-12 08:52:44 PM

Espertron: Why did we bomb Libya, but not Syria?
Why did we support the Egyptian protesters, but not the ones in Saudi Arabia or Bahrain? We know there are (literally) forced labor concentration camps in North Korea, but aren't storming the gates of Pyongyang to help our fellow man.


Compare what resources were expended by supporting the Egyptian protesters and the Libyan rebels to what it would cost to knock over NorKor (not to mention occupy and rebuild it).

As for Syria, we haven't (yet) but most assuredly things are moving in that direction.
 
2012-02-12 08:53:11 PM

URAPNIS: The only thing worse than a Mexican is an Arab.


Wow, that's weak. Are you seriously in the service with that attitude?
 
2012-02-12 08:53:45 PM

YodaBlues: [www.buddytv.com image 294x396]

/that is all.


I love that woman but that's the best pic you could find?
 
2012-02-12 08:54:30 PM
Gosh, I ask myself, what could possibly go right in this scenario?

Freaking Arabs got plenty of money and weapons, let them solve Syria themselves. They broke it..
 
2012-02-12 08:55:48 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: URAPNIS: The only thing worse than a Mexican is an Arab.

Wow, that's weak. Are you seriously in the service with that attitude?


Oh, come ON!
I've got a friend that's Mexican.
 
2012-02-12 08:59:01 PM

RevCarter: Selective is not necessarily hypocritical. There is a grim cost/benefit analysis that goes into the situations where we intervene (now, not during GWB).

Intervention in Libya was far less dangerous for the US than intervention in Syria. Breaking with Mubarak had far less consequences than breaking with the Bahrainis (i.e. the US 5th Fleet) and Saudis (i.e. the stability of the global oil market).

Unfortunately, we do what we can under the circumstances, not what we want.


Agreed. But we can't foresee the future. Never can. Never will. The dictators in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia we support today out of political/economic convenience could very well be our undoing tomorrow.

Talk about less consequences: We broke with Mubarak and supported the protesters. For all we know, those protesters and their newly granted democratic powers could vote in a strong right-wing Islamic theocracy that likely be hostile to us and our interests (i.e. Israel).

That's just theoretical. Talk about real consequences? Remember when we supported the Afghani mujaheddin against the Soviets? That didn't work out well for us at all in the long run. We're still paying for it in terms of blood and treasure.

The list goes on and on and on.

I'm sorry, but you've not convinced me. I respect what you're saying, but I have to disagree. Let's fix our own domestic mess first. Get our house in order. Work towards not being so dependent on their resources.

If the Arab League is so gung-ho about fixing the Syrian situation... let them interfere. I think we'd be best just keeping out of that quagmire (giggity!).
 
2012-02-12 08:59:29 PM

Znuh: You know, there was a whole lot of farking frelling on Farscape towards the end.


FTFY you charlatan

Actually just started watching the series thanks to the SFDebris reviews of a couple episodes. Fantastic, what I've seen of it. (Almost done season 2)
 
2012-02-12 09:01:49 PM
The Arab League is by far the worst League out there.

Justice League
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
American League
National League

Arab League

Seriously I think they need to get a cool headquarters, maybe institute the designated hitter rule, something to mix it up, they're totally falling behind.
 
2012-02-12 09:02:18 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: Compare what resources were expended by supporting the Egyptian protesters and the Libyan rebels to what it would cost to knock over NorKor (not to mention occupy and rebuild it).

As for Syria, we haven't (yet) but most assuredly things are moving in that direction.


See my above comment. For all we know, these Egyptian protesters and Libyan rebels today, could be our deadly enemies tomorrow.
 
2012-02-12 09:04:14 PM

Molavian: Who the yotz thought that was a good idea?


I think it's a GREAT idea for a force of peacekeepers, and the obvious people to make up the peacekeepers are the Arab League themselves. They speak the language, they understand the culture, and they empathize with the people. It eliminates all the "us against the outsiders" that comes with a Security Council peacekeeping force.
 
2012-02-12 09:04:39 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: Great. So when the world goes to shiat, our kids can just... just...

what was your plan for that scenario again?


fark right off. Baby boomers gotta have their paci and ba-ba. They suffered you know, having to watch Howdy Doody on black and white TV with only three channels that only aired programming sixteen hours per day. Then they had to go to college and put up with liberal hippie professors to solemnly support the darkies and poors fighting Vietnam while supporting the war. Don't even go into the unabated horror that was the '80s, do you realize how awful $.75/gallon gasoline is and not being guaranteed to score some yayo on the weekend while listening to...Cyndi Lauper?

Truly, they were history's greatest generation and knew hardships no generation before them ever knew. They deserve it, and generation X, Y and the millennials should be grateful for the privilege of supporting such a hard-hit, tough, and resilient generation.
 
2012-02-12 09:05:19 PM

Espertron: If the Arab League is so gung-ho about fixing the Syrian situation... let them interfere. I think we'd be best just keeping out of that quagmire (giggity!).


Seriously. I read something today that said that Al Qaeda's top guy sent out a video telling Muslims everywhere to rise up and take out Assad themselves.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/al-qaida-calls-on-muslim-worl d -to-support-assad-opposition-forces-1.412458

I say step back and let em. It'll give a bunch of terrorists something to do over the summer, instead of plotting in caves and ordering fertilizer off the internet.
 
2012-02-12 09:05:31 PM
Finally, a Syria thread.
 
2012-02-12 09:05:49 PM
www.saint-ism.com


Ready to go to Syria.
 
2012-02-12 09:08:25 PM

Espertron: I'm sorry, but you've not convinced me. I respect what you're saying, but I have to disagree. Let's fix our own domestic mess first. Get our house in order. Work towards not being so dependent on their resources.


Arghhhhh, we can do two things at once. That's like saying, "we shouldn't fix our road infrastructure until our schools are fixed"

The rest of your argument is reasonable (though I disagree with it), but that part's just crazy.
 
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