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intelligent comment below		2012-02-13 03:04:26 AM

Little.Alex: If Greece had been spending within their means; there would be no debt crisis, because there would be no mountain of debt.

Listen dumbass, I'm not going to teach you history, but go ahead and read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_government_debt_crisis

While they did hide their spending, they had no problems paying it off until the world financial markets dried up, tourism dried up, and interest rates shot up. If there was no economic crisis, there would have been no Greek crisis.

Little.Alex: No, not banks, not bad investments. It's amazing that something as stupid as you can exist in a World where even bacteria must compete.

LOL nice one! I think my IQ levels when I'm asleep are probably higher than yours while awake, former low level bank teller.

Greece had to hide its deficits because all the wealthy and corporations were not paying taxes. And Goldman Sachs used accounting tricks to help them all.

Funny how you don't want to mention any of that. It's all the fault of average citizens. As always. What complete trash.

Little.Alex: Do your parents know you're making a fool out of yourself on the Internet?

LOL if you only knew who my parents are...

intelligent comment below		2012-02-13 03:09:11 AM

muck4doo: I want to spend a quadrillion dollars on education, and social security. My opponent would spend only half that. He wants to cut your education and social security!

Really, it's amazing how many of you simpletons bought into that hook, line, and sinker.

This shows you have no idea how social security works.

I hope you realize there is no money spent, per se, rather it's using current tax dollars and distributing them to retirees.

The problem is coming up when there will be more people retired than money coming in from taxes. So the issue is people are living far longer than the system was designed for.

A fix is easy. Raise the retirement age. Raise the max contribution ceiling. Done.

The real problems with spending come from the wealthy and corporations who continue to steal record levels of money while paying historically the lowest tax rates since taxes were first created.

In 1960 America had a GDP of around 520 billion dollars. Tax rates were above 60%

Today, with a GDP of over 14 trillion, tax rates are 35% for income and only 15% for capital gains.

So why is it a surprise when the government has a hard time paying the bills?

Then factor in all the Bush administrations reckless spending, Reagan's reckless spending, and you have the current deficit.

But blame Democrats of course.

muck4doo		2012-02-13 03:12:11 AM

intelligent comment below: LOL if you only knew who my parents are...

Sonny and Cher?

Eddie van Halen and Valerie Bertanelli?

Donnie and Marie?

The Captain and Tenille?

Cindy Lauper and Captain Lou?

Tapatillo and Soy?

muck4doo		2012-02-13 03:16:05 AM

intelligent comment below: muck4doo: I want to spend a quadrillion dollars on education, and social security. My opponent would spend only half that. He wants to cut your education and social security!

Really, it's amazing how many of you simpletons bought into that hook, line, and sinker.

This shows you have no idea how social security works.

I hope you realize there is no money spent, per se, rather it's using current tax dollars and distributing them to retirees.

The problem is coming up when there will be more people retired than money coming in from taxes. So the issue is people are living far longer than the system was designed for.

A fix is easy. Raise the retirement age. Raise the max contribution ceiling. Done.

The real problems with spending come from the wealthy and corporations who continue to steal record levels of money while paying historically the lowest tax rates since taxes were first created.

In 1960 America had a GDP of around 520 billion dollars. Tax rates were above 60%

Today, with a GDP of over 14 trillion, tax rates are 35% for income and only 15% for capital gains.

So why is it a surprise when the government has a hard time paying the bills?

Then factor in all the Bush administrations reckless spending, Reagan's reckless spending, and you have the current deficit.

But blame Democrats of course.

Nancy Reagan and Mr. Rogers?

Dunkin and Donuts?

FDR and Nancy Sinatra?

Tone Loc and Betty Page?

John Travolta and Joyce DeWitt?

intelligent comment below		2012-02-13 03:17:58 AM

Royalty.

muck4doo		2012-02-13 03:18:46 AM

intelligent comment below: LOL if you only knew who my parents are...

Bill Gates and Pamela Anderson?

Julia Child and Captain Kangaroo?

Bruce Lee and Gilda Radner?

Amy Carter and Pauly Shore?

muck4doo		2012-02-13 03:20:54 AM

intelligent comment below: Royalty.

Queen Elizabeth and King Ralph?

Princess Leia and the Emperor?

King Vitamin and Dairy Queen?

intelligent comment below		2012-02-13 03:27:03 AM

Leia and the Emperor? I'd pay to see that sex tape.

muck4doo		2012-02-13 03:27:34 AM

intelligent comment below: Royalty.

Tennessee Tuxedo and the Metamucil chick?

Dovahkiin and the Jarl of Solitude?

Burger King and Jerry Rice?

Chef Boy-r-Dee and flo the progressive insurance lady?

muck4doo		2012-02-13 03:28:53 AM

intelligent comment below: Leia and the Emperor? I'd pay to see that sex tape.

You're royalty, so you should already have it.

/Never knew i would meet royalty on fark

muck4doo		2012-02-13 03:32:32 AM

Prince and Queen?

Degenz		2012-02-13 03:33:53 AM

Greece has wisely decided to let their economy bottom out, and also let all their citizens starve to death. We should respect that.

BTW, if you're thinking about interfering with my oil...biatches

themadtupper		2012-02-13 03:35:23 AM

intelligent comment below: And debt is meaningless really, since the government can borrow at less than 1%, paying debt is not a problem.

1% is the nominal rate on treasuries.

As has been pointed out before in the thread, the real rate up to ten years is negative (new window). It would be absurd for us not to be issuing more debt right now, considering that people are willing to PAY US for the privilege of lending us money.

intelligent comment below		2012-02-13 03:36:23 AM

Degenz: and also let all their citizens starve to death.

It will make them all bootstrappy! Just like all the Republicans in MURIKA who are all self sufficient millionaires.

muck4doo		2012-02-13 03:37:18 AM

intelligent comment below: Degenz: and also let all their citizens starve to death.

It will make them all bootstrappy! Just like all the Republicans in MURIKA who are all self sufficient millionaires.

Bootstrappy like royalty.

intelligent comment below		2012-02-13 03:40:19 AM

Conservatives think they're royalty in America. They want to be part of an American aristocracy. Thankfully I don't trace my routes in America.

muck4doo		2012-02-13 03:44:20 AM

intelligent comment below: Conservatives think they're royalty in America. They want to be part of an American aristocracy. Thankfully I don't trace my routes in America.

So which country do we need to bow down to you in, your highness?

/I'm so glad we have foreign Royalty addressing us little folk in Duhmerica now

themadtupper		2012-02-13 03:52:23 AM

Marshall Banana: intelligent comment below: SoCalSurfer: WHERE'S MY FREE SHIAT!!! I SHOULD HAVE A LAID BACK LIFESTYLE!!!!!

-greeks

Go back to the barracks and free up the computer for someone else to use. You don't know what you're talking about. Salaries and pensions are not free shiat.

That's communist talk. Next you'll be saying people have the right to see the charges against them, or to be able to feed their children nutritious meals. How many millions must you kill with these lies before you're satisfied?

All of them, any of them that has been in front of me over all these years.

/Kill all the millions

intelligent comment below		2012-02-13 04:01:27 AM

muck4doo: So which country do we need to bow down to you in, your highness?

/I'm so glad we have foreign Royalty addressing us little folk in Duhmerica now

Alderaan

muck4doo		2012-02-13 04:04:52 AM

intelligent comment below: muck4doo: So which country do we need to bow down to you in, your highness?

/I'm so glad we have foreign Royalty addressing us little folk in Duhmerica now

Alderaan

Yeah, I thought so.

themadtupper		2012-02-13 04:08:07 AM

muck4doo: Thunderpipes: My wife bought a pair of shoes the other day. She got them for 90 bucks instead of 120 because they were on sale. She thinks she saved me money. She has at least a dozen pairs of shoes that look the same to me. She makes decent money but used mine for this. Did this really save me money? No. I am still out 90 bucks for no real reason. This is America. Want to really save money? Spend less then you take in.

And do away with :Liberal math? How dare you sir! How dare you!

Dems: We want to raise education spending by 100 billion.
Reps: We want to raise it 50 billion
Dems: OMG! They're cutting spending on education!

/Yeah, we know how it works. Lots of idiots don't though.

When was the last time there was a $100 billion increase in education spending? According to the painfully conservative CNS, there was a less-than-50% cumulative increase in DoEd spending between 2000 and 2010 from $33.5 billion to $63 billion (new window). The entire federal budget for education is less than $100 billion.

Is this part of the basic math that money-for-nothing/chicks-for-free liberals fail to understand?

muck4doo		2012-02-13 04:12:58 AM

themadtupper: muck4doo: Thunderpipes: My wife bought a pair of shoes the other day. She got them for 90 bucks instead of 120 because they were on sale. She thinks she saved me money. She has at least a dozen pairs of shoes that look the same to me. She makes decent money but used mine for this. Did this really save me money? No. I am still out 90 bucks for no real reason. This is America. Want to really save money? Spend less then you take in.

And do away with :Liberal math? How dare you sir! How dare you!

Dems: We want to raise education spending by 100 billion.
Reps: We want to raise it 50 billion
Dems: OMG! They're cutting spending on education!

/Yeah, we know how it works. Lots of idiots don't though.

When was the last time there was a $100 billion increase in education spending? According to the painfully conservative CNS, there was a less-than-50% cumulative increase in DoEd spending between 2000 and 2010 from $33.5 billion to $63 billion (new window). The entire federal budget for education is less than $100 billion.

Is this part of the basic math that money-for-nothing/chicks-for-free liberals fail to understand?

That flew right over your head, didn't it? Change it to millions, thousands, hundreds, gold nuggets, sea shells by the sea shore,or whatever you want. Your message will still fly with the stupid.

themadtupper		2012-02-13 04:28:53 AM

muck4doo: intelligent comment below: muck4doo: And do away with :Liberal math? How dare you sir! How dare you!

Dems: We want to raise education spending by 100 billion.
Reps: We want to raise it 50 billion
Dems: OMG! They're cutting spending on education!

/Yeah, we know how it works. Lots of idiots don't though.

That's a lie to begin with. Republicans want to get rid of education spending entirely. They would never counter with 50% of the Democrats total.

And by the way, spending on things like health and education give back much more in the future with a healthy and educated population. But I know none of you care about that. You're just in America to get your pie. And anyone who dares stand in your way asking for tax money or anything is your enemy.

No, it's not. I've been paying attention to politics since the eighties, and that is how it works. Go bullshiat some kid who doesn't know any better. Your hyperbole is custom made for them.

You should pay closer attention, then. Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984 and Bob Dole in1996 explicitly campaigned on eliminating DoEd.

More recently, according to the absurdly conservative Fox News, every serious Republican presidential candidate this cycle except Huntsman supported the elimination of the Department of Education (new window). Oh wait, upon further review, Huntsman wants to eliminate it too (new window).

Also, every Republican candidate said they would reject a 10-1 deal (new window) in their favor on spending, so I can't imagine why you think they'd accept only 50% of what they want on this.

themadtupper		2012-02-13 04:37:39 AM

Degenz: Greece has wisely decided to let their economy bottom out, and also let all their citizens starve to death. We should respect that.

BTW, if you're thinking about interfering with my oil...biatches

Wat?

themadtupper		2012-02-13 04:50:23 AM

muck4doo: themadtupper: muck4doo: Thunderpipes: My wife bought a pair of shoes the other day. She got them for 90 bucks instead of 120 because they were on sale. She thinks she saved me money. She has at least a dozen pairs of shoes that look the same to me. She makes decent money but used mine for this. Did this really save me money? No. I am still out 90 bucks for no real reason. This is America. Want to really save money? Spend less then you take in.

And do away with :Liberal math? How dare you sir! How dare you!

Dems: We want to raise education spending by 100 billion.
Reps: We want to raise it 50 billion
Dems: OMG! They're cutting spending on education!

/Yeah, we know how it works. Lots of idiots don't though.

When was the last time there was a $100 billion increase in education spending? According to the painfully conservative CNS, there was a less-than-50% cumulative increase in DoEd spending between 2000 and 2010 from $33.5 billion to $63 billion (new window). The entire federal budget for education is less than $100 billion.

Is this part of the basic math that money-for-nothing/chicks-for-free liberals fail to understand?

That flew right over your head, didn't it? Change it to millions, thousands, hundreds, gold nuggets, sea shells by the sea shore,or whatever you want. Your message will still fly with the stupid.

If you would waste even one second of time or energy on a net change of $100 in federal spending then you're well beyond hope.

A net change of $100 million in federal spending would represent approximately 2.8 x 10^-5% of federal spending - again, completely negligible.

The real tragedy is that you could zero out the total non-defense discretionary budget and have only a minimal effect on the deficit (even making the ludicrous assumption that cutting all of that spending wouldn't have other negative effects on the economy as a whole). Why do conservatives keep insisting on offering "solutions" that do not and could not even begin to address the problems that they claim we have.

Man On Pink Corner		2012-02-13 04:50:58 AM

intelligent comment below: Greece had to hide its deficits because all the wealthy and corporations were not paying taxes. And Goldman Sachs used accounting tricks to help them all.

So there's basically nothing a government can do wrong, in your world, while there's also nothing a bank or other corporation can do right. Am I getting it?

Degenz		2012-02-13 04:53:33 AM

lohphat		2012-02-13 04:56:39 AM

ACallForPeace: This is what happens when you try squeezing blood out of a turnip.
If you try to punish the lower and working class as a whole and wholesale theft/sellout of their livelihoods and their democracy, to pay off the debts the upper class has accrued expect resistance like this. All this done for foreign creditors. Bankers and corporations getting off free as hell, the government being replaced and practically handpicked by an outside private institution (in Italy as well, goodbye democracy) of "neutral technocrat" free market ideologues imposing the theft of austerity. And the rest of society pays for the failures of the market and the state.
And if you're one of those police trying to enforce the theft from the people, or one of the bankers initiating it, then you should expect that molotov as much as any normal thief would expect the police to come for a visit and toss them in jail.

In summary: Privatized gains, socialized losses.

The Greek citizens were personally responsible for shirking their tax burdens, but they are not responsible for the technocrat and banker led inclusion into the Eurozone and thus pay dearly for the overleveraged debt positions.

They need to start hanging bankers and bureaucrats from lampposts.

themadtupper		2012-02-13 04:57:30 AM

Man On Pink Corner: intelligent comment below: Greece had to hide its deficits because all the wealthy and corporations were not paying taxes. And Goldman Sachs used accounting tricks to help them all.

So there's basically nothing a government can do wrong, in your world, while there's also nothing a bank or other corporation can do right. Am I getting it?

You're under the impression that what you quoted was an endorsement Greek policies?

I don't want to put words in intelligent comment below 's mouth, but it's pretty clear that the Greek government has done absolutely nothing right - from a fiscal perspective - over at least the past decade. The Greek government lied and cheated its way into the Euro Zone and the banks were complicit in it. There's more than enough blame to go around, but the general population of Greeks has been as badly screwed as anybody in this debacle.

lohphat		2012-02-13 05:03:16 AM

Dinjiin: Relatively Obscure: So, you just quote-argued that democracy can never "succeed." Fine.

The argument is that a democracy can never succeed because runaway spending as directed by the voters will eventually undermine the stability of the government, leading to anarchy, revolution and eventually totalitarianism.

Solution: enact reasonable controls regarding spending, during both times of peace and crisis, into the nation's constitution. Then allow the federal courts to strike down legislation that fails to meet those controls.

This is precisely California's problem:

The voters mandated spending via the ballot initiative process but the money had to be raised by the legislature which requires a 2/3 majority to raise taxes. A political minority blocked the feedback loop of higher taxes as a signal to the people to stop putting things on the credit card. The joke is they call themselves the "fiscally conservative" party. Yeah, bonds and interest are better than just raising income via taxes to pay for the spending mandates.

Pert		2012-02-13 05:11:09 AM

Yet again the poorer members of society having to suffer for the failures of business and government.

And yet, the poorer members of society were (I suspect) quite happy when they were enjoying the fruits of business and government decisions, avoiding taxes and living outside their means, with decisions made by the government they elected.

I've been to Greece twice (Kefalonia and Rhodes) and loved it. First time was with the drachma, second with the euro. Tourism brings a lot of money into Greece, it's one of its major sources of income. It also used to be a cheap European holiday. Under the euro it isn't.

I'd love to go to Greece on holiday again, but would I choose Greece over France or Spain for a beach holiday? Not if it's going to cost me the same price.

From a tourism perspective they'd be much better off back under the drachma, but as I don't have a degree in economics I have no idea what the knock-on effects would be. Can't imagine it would be much worse than rioting in the streets though....

themadtupper		2012-02-13 05:28:05 AM

Pert: Yet again the poorer members of society having to suffer for the failures of business and government.

And yet, the poorer members of society were (I suspect) quite happy when they were enjoying the fruits of business and government decisions, avoiding taxes and living outside their means, with decisions made by the government they elected.

I've been to Greece twice (Kefalonia and Rhodes) and loved it. First time was with the drachma, second with the euro. Tourism brings a lot of money into Greece, it's one of its major sources of income. It also used to be a cheap European holiday. Under the euro it isn't.

I'd love to go to Greece on holiday again, but would I choose Greece over France or Spain for a beach holiday? Not if it's going to cost me the same price.

From a tourism perspective they'd be much better off back under the drachma, but as I don't have a degree in economics I have no idea what the knock-on effects would be. Can't imagine it would be much worse than rioting in the streets though....

Greece is a fantastic tourist destination and will be again soon. If we're lucky and they aren't (we meaning Americans and they meaning Greeks) they'll be back on the drachma in a couple years and it'll be super cheap to travel there again. Even if they don't leave the Euro, Greece is a unique destination in ways that France and Spain can never be. I've not been to Rhodes, but definitely go to Athens and check out the Aegean Islands (Santorini, is a fantastic little place).

If Greece goes absolutely haywire, go to Turkey - every part of the coast from Istanbul to Fetiye (except Bodrum, which is full of skanky Russians) is at least as good as most of Greece (I've been there for both the Lira and the New Lira, and frankly the old TL600,000/$1 was a totally cool exchange rate) or to Malta, which is a beautiful little Mediterranean island with GREAT food that was remarkably cheap for a Euro Zone country when I was there last November (very off-season, but still wonderful).

PoTBoT		2012-02-13 05:52:33 AM

Imagine if the US had free heath care and a more robust welfare system for all of the worthless, entitled, ignorant, and lazy people. We could be just like Greece! Awesome!

lohphat		2012-02-13 06:00:24 AM

PoTBoT: Imagine if the US had free heath care and a more robust welfare system for all of the worthless, entitled, ignorant, and lazy people. We could be just like Greece! Awesome!

Who sad it was going to be "free" other than the strawmen?

Single payer means we all pay, the same way we pay for other shared services.

Unless you rather continue to pay 3x what other countries spend.

trotsky		2012-02-13 07:30:20 AM

Thunderpipes: We are Greece in 10 years on Obama's path. That is not biatching, but honest truth when you run the numbers.

Oh, he is bragging about saving 2 trillion over 10 years? Okay, when you will run up 15 trillion more in debt, how is that saving?

"Oh Honey, I only spent $80,000 on the credit card this year instead of $100,000, so I SAVED you money!"

Dumbass libs,

Hey everybody, it's Thunderpipes. Looks like somebody remembered their alt password. Welcome to my ignore list.

trotsky		2012-02-13 07:46:04 AM

intelligent comment below: Thunderpipes: This is America. Want to really save money? Spend less then you take in.

And that's exactly the Obama plan. Cut spending by 3 trillion over 10 years and raise taxes on the rich.

And "This is America"... okay. You realize the America you know and love is all because of the New Deal, right? You would be lucky to be a share cropper or 14 hour a day 6 day a week wage slave factory worker.

But that would be OK in the Regressive Troll play book. To serve their rich masters for peanuts seems to be the highest good a regressive troll can ascend to. As long as they can stick it to "the libs", they will shoot themselves in the foot and cut off their own ear.

That's why my ignore list is constantly growing, they aren't even worth debating with anymore.

moel		2012-02-13 07:58:58 AM

I have the solution, but it's a shame that I can't contact anyone that would listen that would solve the problems of all european economies...

1) Legalize cannabis
2) Kick Greece out of the euro and force it to return to the Drachma
3) Profit!?!?

Ok you probably think, where the hell does the profit come from.

Well lets look at it this way, IF you took out an EU mandate that legalised cannabis, you could then tax it. Taxes raise money for government..but wait, we can also make money in the form of profit & taxes..if we own the entire pipeline.

But how do we make profit margins higher? By getting our source product cheaper. If the Drachma is re-introduced, then we can buy from Greece, EXTREMELY cheaply. (it also has the perfect climate for growing the stuff)

So everyone wins, Governments open up a new source of extremely lucrative revenue, the bottom drops out of the black market, requiring less policing..Greece has an export product, other than tourism..and europe thrives again....ok it might dent the Netherlands economy a bit...but nothing too major.

qualtrough		2012-02-13 08:17:14 AM

In the summer of 1980 I stayed briefly in Athens. One night a fellow hostel dweller from the UK and yours truly went out for drinks and the hope that we would get lucky. After getting totally ripped off at one bar (bogus drink menu) we ended up late at night in one of the famous squares there. We sat down in some of the chairs set out, everything was pretty much closed. A man came up selling ice cream, we didn't want that. He was persistent, and finally I pointed to two women seated about 15 feet away and asked him why he didn't go bother them. Next thing we knew he had set two ice creams down on their table and was asking me for the money. The two women gave us a wave of thanks. I settled up, and we walked over to tell them they were welcome to the ice cream, and to let them know what really happened because it was sort of funny. Both were plusher than my taste so there was zero interest in anything more. Just as I was starting to explain, up come two Greek youths who apparently were no strangers to the two women. Almost assuredly their Greek waiter boyfriends. Immediately one pushes me away and says, "The show she is over". It happened so quickly I couldn't figure out what the deal was. Before I could respond, they both adopted karate stances and charged at us, with my guy butting me in the stomach with his head. I found a big grease (Greece) mark on my shirt the next day. Funny thing is, if these guys had not tried to put on a big show they would have been more effective. Before things could escalate a posse of five cops with machines guns arrives. I asked the girls to explain what the deal was, but they wanted nothing to do with that and scampered off. The cops talked to the Greeks and then asked for our version. Somehow we all ended up walking back to the station house. At the station house there was a cop who had lived in the US and spoke fluent English. I felt a bit relieved. I told him what had happened. All the while there is another cop gesticulating wildly and angrily in our direction. I asked my cop was the problem was. He explained that he was saying we should be thankful that we weren't beaten in the station house for the trouble we caused. I replied something to the effect that, "Oh, yeah, that is certainly something to be thankful for." With that the ex US cop got angry as well and let me know just how terrible cops were in the US, yada yada. The end result was they wanted us to apologize to the two waiters and threatened to jail us over the weekend. My English buddy wanted to go the apology route but I was a stubborn cuss and refused. Finally they told us to scram. On the way out there were a couple of American girls with some more of the waiters' friends, and one of them said in parting, "You are what people call Ugly Americans". I told her that she was what people called a coont and we walked rather quickly back to the hostel.

That's a long story, but here is the point: Schadenfreude ist die beste Freude

Tater1337		2012-02-13 09:02:28 AM

stole the subbys headline to put on my facebook status

/awesome headline bro

that bosnian sniper		2012-02-13 10:17:21 AM

Little.Alex: No, not banks, not bad investments...The Evil Banks are just trying to get back what they legally loaned to a theoretically responsible and honest entity.

Hi, I noticed you're posting again but never got back to my serious, non-ironical question I really wanted you to answer. So, I'll put it to you again.

Since you said you used to be a banker, why was it loan applications would be denied by banks again?

Sliding Carp		2012-02-13 11:21:14 AM

SoCalSurfer: WHERE'S MY FREE SHIAT!!! I SHOULD HAVE A LAID BACK LIFESTYLE!!!!!

-greeks

Class warfare. You're just jealous of people who have achieved enough to be stress-free and enjoy life, so you want to tear them down. Where's the fairness in that?

Man On Pink Corner		2012-02-13 07:24:01 PM

trotsky: To serve their rich masters for peanuts seems to be the highest good a regressive troll can ascend to.

(Shrug) If I have to serve any masters, I'd rather serve a few rich masters than a million bums.

Pert		2012-02-15 05:35:22 AM

themadtupper: If Greece goes absolutely haywire, go to Turkey - every part of the coast from Istanbul to Fetiye (except Bodrum, which is full of skanky Russians) is at least as good as most of Greece (I've been there for both the Lira and the New Lira, and frankly the old TL600,000/$1 was a totally cool exchange rate) or to Malta, which is a beautiful little Mediterranean island with GREAT food that was remarkably cheap for a Euro Zone country when I was there last November (very off-season, but still wonderful).

Did two weeks in Gumusluk about 4 years ago. Fantastic seafood but the sea was quite dirty and it was pretty expensive, all things considered. I still prefer Greece to Turkey.

Trying out Majorca (Mallorca) for a couple of weeks in June, then two weeks in Ares (near Bordeaux) later in the Summer. We've been to Ares twice already and love it around there, especially Le Grande Crohot beach nearby.

Always fancied trying Malta to indulge my fascination with the Templars... we'll get there one day.

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