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2012-02-12 05:04:52 PM
flies are done.
 
2012-02-12 05:07:14 PM
Gratz.
 
2012-02-12 05:17:17 PM

FirstNationalBastard: flies are done.


You bastard
 
2012-02-12 05:42:19 PM

FirstNationalBastard: flies are done.


Dammit!
 
2012-02-12 05:53:53 PM
I

ArkAngel: FirstNationalBastard: flies are done.

You bastard


ecmoRandomNumbers: Dammit!


Okay, someone distract him. I'll get his arms, and you two can punch him in the stomach.
 
2012-02-12 06:09:38 PM

FirstNationalBastard: flies are done.


Nice!
 
2012-02-12 06:09:55 PM

FirstNationalBastard: flies are done.


Great. I'll be humming that for the next four days.
 
2012-02-12 06:11:19 PM
fc00.deviantart.net
 
2012-02-12 06:12:16 PM
Take a +1 of of petty cash, subby.
 
2012-02-12 06:13:04 PM
"TEMPERATURE readings at one of the crippled Fukushima nuclear reactors rose above Japan's stringent new safety standard but there was no immediate danger, its operator said today."

Oh, TEPCO says there's no danger. They have loads of credibility. No need to panic.
But just out of interest, why did they give their interview via long-distance call from Brazil?
 
2012-02-12 06:14:19 PM
Just let the damn thing melt down and fall into the center of the earth.
 
2012-02-12 06:16:02 PM

mc_madness: [fc00.deviantart.net image 510x504]


For how many anime and things show poop looking like that... I can't help but wonder... how the f'k did they ever come to think it looked like that?
 
2012-02-12 06:18:33 PM
Dang.
 
2012-02-12 06:18:35 PM
Dooooooooooooooom! Doom I say. We're all doomed. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

/ let's all sing the doom song
 
2012-02-12 06:20:19 PM

9beers: Just let the damn thing melt down and fall into the center of the earth.


Yes, but would they still call it "The China Syndrome?"
 
2012-02-12 06:20:46 PM

GoldDude: "TEMPERATURE readings at one of the crippled Fukushima nuclear reactors rose above Japan's stringent new safety standard but there was no immediate danger, its operator said today."

Oh, TEPCO says there's no danger. They have loads of credibility. No need to panic.
But just out of interest, why did they give their interview via long-distance call from Brazil?


Somebody's gotta catch the core when it comes through the other side, you know.
 
2012-02-12 06:23:36 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

Approves.
 
2012-02-12 06:24:34 PM
Ringshadow, please pick up the glowing, green courtesy phone. I repeat, Ringshadow to the green courtesy phone.
 
2012-02-12 06:25:19 PM
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG, BUT LET'S PANIC ANYWAY!!!!
 
2012-02-12 06:25:37 PM

GoldDude: "TEMPERATURE readings at one of the crippled Fukushima nuclear reactors rose above Japan's stringent new safety standard but there was no immediate danger, its operator said today."

Oh, TEPCO says there's no danger. They have loads of credibility. No need to panic.
But just out of interest, why did they give their interview via long-distance call from Brazil?


The other two thermometers are reading 96.

So they'll check the thermometer, probably replace it, and the followup will never make Fark or the news at all.
 
2012-02-12 06:27:38 PM
I can guarantee its a faulty detector. I work in the control room of a nuclear plant and detector drifts are actually pretty common.

Think of it this way, what's more likely, one instrument is drifting, ans two reading corrextlyor two are failed at the same temperature and the other one is reading correctly?
 
2012-02-12 06:30:03 PM
I'm guessing this might be heat release from the decay of some daughter product that has formed in what's left of the pile. not sure exactly *what* isotope, but I'm guessing it's not likely to generate enough heat to cause much of an issue. but please, don't let me stop you from panicking and peeing yourself about anything nuclear.
 
2012-02-12 06:30:26 PM
You know, as violent and oppressive the Soviets were in doing so, when Chernobyl went up they got everyone the fark out of there. Maybe not in the interest of the people's livelihoods, probably so they could get some more work done for the state before dying of cancer years later instead of days later...

But the Japanese seem to not care about the lives at stake if Fukushima goes Hiroshima. It's like they think since the country's been hit twice, they're all good. Radiation's not like chicken pox, Japan. You can't just survive an exposure and become immune. In fact, you might actually lose your immune system if you're exposed to a bad dose...
 
2012-02-12 06:33:48 PM

9beers: Just let the damn thing melt down and fall into the center of the earth.


And let the dinosaurs out?
 
2012-02-12 06:37:26 PM

Saberus Terras: You know, as violent and oppressive the Soviets were in doing so, when Chernobyl went up they got everyone the fark out of there. Maybe not in the interest of the people's livelihoods, probably so they could get some more work done for the state before dying of cancer years later instead of days later...

But the Japanese seem to not care about the lives at stake if Fukushima goes Hiroshima. It's like they think since the country's been hit twice, they're all good. Radiation's not like chicken pox, Japan. You can't just survive an exposure and become immune. In fact, you might actually lose your immune system if you're exposed to a bad dose...


Or...

media.comicvine.com
 
2012-02-12 06:39:08 PM

Martycrane: I can guarantee its a faulty detector. I work in the control room of a nuclear plant and detector drifts are actually pretty common.

Think of it this way, what's more likely, one instrument is drifting, ans two reading corrextlyor two are failed at the same temperature and the other one is reading correctly?


You, uh, don't have me convinced...
 
2012-02-12 06:40:37 PM
But the Japanese seem to not care about the lives at stake if Fukushima goes Hiroshima. It's like they think since the country's been hit twice, they're all good. Radiation's not like chicken pox, Japan. You can't just survive an exposure and become immune. In fact, you might actually lose your immune system if you're exposed to a bad dose...

The Japanese are eminently practical. The will relocate ALL their retirement homes into the Fukushima exclusion zone. They won't let that land go to waste.

/annnnd ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy-Eee-ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy willlllllll alllllways love youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
//don't know why I keep doing that today
 
2012-02-12 06:51:31 PM

Saberus Terras: You know, as violent and oppressive the Soviets were in doing so, when Chernobyl went up they got everyone the fark out of there


...the ones they didn't send into the building to shovel and sweep entire chunks of the core away without ample protection, and the ones they didn't send up and down the Pripyat streets to hose everything down, again without ample protection, anyway.
 
2012-02-12 07:07:48 PM

quatchi: Gratz.


That was my first reaction too.
 
2012-02-12 07:09:21 PM
I thought this was a story about some dude getting raped in prison, and the *ding* was the Sodomy Bell.

/B&T
 
2012-02-12 07:11:02 PM
Is anyone here well-versed enough in the subject to explain what a conversion to thorium would involve?
 
2012-02-12 07:11:11 PM
images.wikia.com
 
2012-02-12 07:12:53 PM

Saberus Terras: You know, as violent and oppressive the Soviets were in doing so, when Chernobyl went up they got everyone the fark out of there. Maybe not in the interest of the people's livelihoods, probably so they could get some more work done for the state before dying of cancer years later instead of days later...

But the Japanese seem to not care about the lives at stake if Fukushima goes Hiroshima. It's like they think since the country's been hit twice, they're all good. Radiation's not like chicken pox, Japan. You can't just survive an exposure and become immune. In fact, you might actually lose your immune system if you're exposed to a bad dose...


You understand, of course, that a nuclear reactor can't "go Hiroshima", correct?
 
2012-02-12 07:13:13 PM

that bosnian sniper: Saberus Terras: You know, as violent and oppressive the Soviets were in doing so, when Chernobyl went up they got everyone the fark out of there

...the ones they didn't send into the building to shovel and sweep entire chunks of the core away without ample protection, and the ones they didn't send up and down the Pripyat streets to hose everything down, again without ample protection, anyway.


When dealing with that much radiation, is there a such thing as 'ample protection' save a lead-lined vehicle?

/because simple clothes will block most alpha and beta particles, it takes a fair bit more to stop gamma rays.
 
2012-02-12 07:14:35 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Is anyone here well-versed enough in the subject to explain what a conversion to thorium would involve?


in terms of what? infrastructure or technology or what?
 
2012-02-12 07:14:42 PM
img192.imageshack.us

Green tea, anyone?
 
2012-02-12 07:14:55 PM

Gyrfalcon: Saberus Terras: You know, as violent and oppressive the Soviets were in doing so, when Chernobyl went up they got everyone the fark out of there. Maybe not in the interest of the people's livelihoods, probably so they could get some more work done for the state before dying of cancer years later instead of days later...

But the Japanese seem to not care about the lives at stake if Fukushima goes Hiroshima. It's like they think since the country's been hit twice, they're all good. Radiation's not like chicken pox, Japan. You can't just survive an exposure and become immune. In fact, you might actually lose your immune system if you're exposed to a bad dose...

You understand, of course, that a nuclear reactor can't "go Hiroshima", correct?


Indeed, I was merely exaggerating. The juxtaposition of the names seemed to have a nice ring.
 
2012-02-12 07:16:24 PM

dutchoven69: images.wikia.com


PERFECT!
 
2012-02-12 07:23:29 PM

amindofiron: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Is anyone here well-versed enough in the subject to explain what a conversion to thorium would involve?

in terms of what? infrastructure or technology or what?


In terms of what it would take to convert the world's civil nuclear power industry over thorium from uranium. What would it take? Years? Decades? Is it doable at all? Do we even know that thorium would make a good replacement? I've heard and read lots about it, but I haven't done the independent research that I'd need to talk about it, so I'm hoping someone else here has.
 
2012-02-12 07:26:56 PM
there are whole *books* on the subject. so if you've already read a bunch on it then I guess you're about as knowlegable as me. here's a basic wikilink for those who haven't done any reading on the matter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium_reactor
 
2012-02-12 07:36:21 PM

Saberus Terras: When dealing with that much radiation, is there a such thing as 'ample protection' save a lead-lined vehicle?


Well, it's more the principle of the thing, really. That damn roof peaked at 300Sv/hr, and they were telling the workers the lead plates, gas masks and raincoats they were wearing would protect them adequately. Hell, they only employed human workers because the lead-lined, remote controlled dozers they had wouldn't work.

Hell, the heli pilots they had flying sorties over the reactor to dump sand, boron and water onto the building had it worse, and they weren't even warned about the radiological hazard.
 
2012-02-12 07:49:36 PM

that bosnian sniper: Saberus Terras: When dealing with that much radiation, is there a such thing as 'ample protection' save a lead-lined vehicle?

Well, it's more the principle of the thing, really. That damn roof peaked at 300Sv/hr, and they were telling the workers the lead plates, gas masks and raincoats they were wearing would protect them adequately. Hell, they only employed human workers because the lead-lined, remote controlled dozers they had wouldn't work.

Hell, the heli pilots they had flying sorties over the reactor to dump sand, boron and water onto the building had it worse, and they weren't even warned about the radiological hazard.


From my understanding that was par for the course with the Soviets, if there was nothing that could be done cheaply to prevent their deaths, why make them squeamish by telling them doing it would kill them? Not saying I agree with the mindset, but a few hundred direct fatalities to prevent more seemed like a small price to pay to the powers that be. Since Chernobyl was one of the things that led to glasnost, you could argue their deaths paved the way to remove the regime that sent them to their deaths.

Not that it's a comfort to the dead and their families.

Again, not saying I agree with the methods or mentality. Just pointing out that the Soviets jumped into action, the Japanese seem to have sat around and played with themselves hoping it'd go away on it's own.
 
2012-02-12 07:55:28 PM
I thought maybe someone leveled up
 
2012-02-12 08:01:36 PM
troll.me
 
2012-02-12 08:16:08 PM

Saberus Terras: that bosnian sniper: Saberus Terras: You know, as violent and oppressive the Soviets were in doing so, when Chernobyl went up they got everyone the fark out of there

...the ones they didn't send into the building to shovel and sweep entire chunks of the core away without ample protection, and the ones they didn't send up and down the Pripyat streets to hose everything down, again without ample protection, anyway.

When dealing with that much radiation, is there a such thing as 'ample protection' save a lead-lined vehicle?

/because simple clothes will block most alpha and beta particles, it takes a fair bit more to stop gamma rays.


Clothes will block alpha and beta, hell, some air or even a layer or two of skin cells will block alpha and low energy beta. The real issue is that regular clothes are easily contaminated. Lots of little nooks and crannies for the emitting particles to hang on to. Also, you're breathing them in. An alpha emitter can royally fark you up from the inside. Same with beta or gamma emitters. That's what those 'radiation suits' are for. They're easily decontaminated and keep those particles from getting inside of you. That's all they do. As far as gamma goes, gamma inside a reactor can be strong enough to kill you within a second of being exposed to it if there's a very bad containment failure. We're talking at the upper end of the 'you're farked' criteria. Enough to directly destroy nervous tissue. Even at a fraction of that, which is what this likely is since there's no ongoing critical reaction, you're still likely up for acute radiation poisoning and are going to end up with some type of cancer sooner rather than later.
 
2012-02-12 08:23:28 PM
Wow, old news - this happened a few days ago.

TEPCO did what they've done the last few times this happened - bump the flow rates of water injection up. They injected boron again, there's been no criticality detected (none of the indicators of it are there). It could be a failing thermocouple - they were never really intended to work after a meltdown - or it could have been something shifted or moved in the vessel and that's caused the temp readings to go up.

Interestingly, they're injecting boron to dissolve the salt from the saltwater injection in March, too.

So far it's an interesting bump - and reactor 2 seems to be having these on and off - but nothing really 'scary' or unexpected.

They haven't gotten much in the way of interesting results from the cameras they stuck in the containment, though I suspect that was more of a proof of concept test than and actual exploration, and maybe confirm the water level in the containment. You could see a lot of water coming down in the video they released, plus the radiation level was high enough to screw with the camera.
 
2012-02-12 08:35:49 PM
Link (Heart attacks from radiation in children found after accidents)
 
2012-02-12 08:36:56 PM

Saberus Terras: Since Chernobyl was one of the things that led to glasnost, you could argue their deaths paved the way to remove the regime that sent them to their deaths.


Well...that's kind of the thing. Chernobyl itself didn't lead to glasnost. Swedish radiation detectors going berserk because of Chernobyl and causing the rest of the world to pull a simultaneous, global "WTF?", forcing Soviet hardliners to shut up long enough for Gorbachev to do what he wanted to do going into office, led to glasnost. Until that point, the Soviet Union was perfectly happy sweeping the whole thing neatly under the rug...and scarily enough, were.

As far as the liquidators and emergency responders, well that's kind of the way it had to be. In some spots (like the roof) the automated equipment they tried to use failed due to the heavy radiation. Hell, some of the first ones into the breach were the people who knew damn well the risks and dangers, like the three guys who dove into the bubbler pool (and god only knows the kind of hell that was) to open the sluice gates, and they were pretty well declared heroes of the Soviet Union and guaranteed their families would be taken care of on the spot.

Those guys were going out there one way or another and knew the Soviet government and its language enough to know they were being thrown headlong into mortal danger even if they didn't understand the particulars, and did it anyways. May just be me, but I think at that point you owe them a little more than a pin, a certificate and a handshake...like, for example, honesty. Who knows, the USSR might have gotten the work done faster and saved more lives.
 
2012-02-12 08:42:38 PM

Hrist: Clothes will block alpha and beta...you're still likely up for acute radiation poisoning and are going to end up with some type of cancer sooner rather than later.


Not only that, but if I remember my facts about the disaster right, the rooftop workers weren't receiving heavy exposure to gamma, they were getting mostly alpha and beta from kicked-up dust and debris. The heli pilots were the ones eating large doses of gamma, because the building flyovers put them in line of sight of the exposed core, and the helis' airframes and ventilation systems shielded them from alpha and beta.
 
2012-02-12 09:02:42 PM

Capt_Fodder: Martycrane: I can guarantee its a faulty detector. I work in the control room of a nuclear plant and detector drifts are actually pretty common.

Think of it this way, what's more likely, one instrument is drifting, ans two reading corrextlyor two are failed at the same temperature and the other one is reading correctly?

You, uh, don't have me convinced...


I just said I work at a power plant, not that I could type.

Supposed to say " what's more likely, one instrument is drifting and two are reading correctly or two instruments stuck at a temperature and one reading correctly"
 
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