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(The Daily Caller)   Fox News Channel, Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer: Israel 'will strike' Iran to 'prevent a second holocaust'. From the video, it's almost like he's cheering for it   (dailycaller.com) divider line 329
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2012-02-12 05:04:46 PM  
"I cannot imagine the Israelis are going to allow Iran to go nuclear and to hold the Damocles sword over 6 million Jews all over again. Israel was established to prevent a second Holocaust, not to invite one."

If Iran were to attack Israel in any (overt) way, America would burn Iran to the ground and salt the earth. Stop with your crippled logic.
 
2012-02-12 05:06:20 PM  
If Israel decides to initiate an act of war with Iran, they should be completely on their own. The U.S.A.'s national interest and actions should not be determined by any other country, including Israel.
 
2012-02-12 05:08:30 PM  

Somacandra: If Israel decides to initiate an act of war with Iran, they should be completely on their own. The U.S.A.'s national interest and actions should not be determined by any other country, including Israel.


This. We gave them shiatloads of money.

Back up your big mouth, Israel. On your own.
 
2012-02-12 05:08:51 PM  

"Unless something intervenes," Krauthammer replied. "I cannot imagine the Israelis are going to allow Iran to go nuclear and to hold the Damocles sword over 6 million Jews all over again. Israel was established to prevent a second Holocaust, not to invite one."


Is there any evidence (evidence - hard evidince, not a bunch of speeches from lone nutballs) that Iran is gearing up specifically to nuke Israel 'till it glows?

also - if Israel attacks Iran, they're on their own. I will not support US intervention on Israel's behalf. they wanna start WWIII they can do it on their own.
 
2012-02-12 05:09:14 PM  

Somacandra: If Israel decides to initiate an act of war with Iran, they should be completely on their own. The U.S.A.'s national interest and actions should not be determined by any other country, including Israel.


Hehe.. good luck with that
 
2012-02-12 05:10:35 PM  

NewportBarGuy: "I cannot imagine the Israelis are going to allow Iran to go nuclear and to hold the Damocles sword over 6 million Jews all over again. Israel was established to prevent a second Holocaust, not to invite one."

If Iran were to attack Israel in any (overt) way, America would burn Iran to the ground and salt the earth. Stop with your crippled logic.


So covert strikes are OK?

I can see why Israel is nervous - even if Iran doesn't take credit for a nuclear strike, the country is small enough that one "oops" is enough to get rid of it altogether. I can't fathom any practical reason Iran would try such a thing, but people don't get paid to worry about certainty.

I just hope if Israel does do something we don't get roped into it.
 
2012-02-12 05:15:16 PM  
Someone named Krauthammer should not be indiscriminately using the word 'holocaust'.
 
2012-02-12 05:17:47 PM  
Yup, trotting out the Holocaust right on schedule. A little late, actually.
 
2012-02-12 05:19:55 PM  

Mugato: Yup, trotting out the Holocaust right on schedule. A little late, actually.


i'm out of orange juice - OMG HOLOCAUST!

hmm...Obama seems to be up 2 points in the polls...OMG HOLOCAUST!

I didn't get a 4% raise this year....OMG HOLOCAUST!

dammit! I got a speeding ticket...OMG HOLOCAUST!

hey, this is fun!
 
2012-02-12 05:25:48 PM  
I dare him to stand up and say that.
 
2012-02-12 05:27:09 PM  

Lsherm: So covert strikes are OK?


Yes, because Israel does the same. I liken the current Israeli-Arab state of affairs to that of the US and Russia during 50 years of fun. We attacked each other tangentially, but never directly. Iran knows that if they do anything overt, we will destroy them and most of the world won't do a goddamn thing about it.

We've given up on Taiwan, but not Israel. Their lobby is just too powerful. I'd be fine with it, actually. If Iran does make an overt strike, I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in that sentiment.

However, all they are talking about if what-ifs and maybes. I don't think Iran is dumb enough to launch an attack that can be traced back to them. The beautiful thing about nukes is that most come with a return to sender label on them. I think this fear is irrational and stupid. Costly, too. Both in the price of oil and in military expenditures.
 
2012-02-12 05:30:31 PM  
Well, that's irresponsible.
 
2012-02-12 05:43:24 PM  
He's a quadriplegic he always looks like that.
 
2012-02-12 05:47:02 PM  
Maybe we can just preemptively nuke both countries, let them blame it on each other, and then have it over so we can all move on. Nobody has to know. I think this is a winning strategy and will have no significant loss of life that isn't brown people.
 
2012-02-12 05:48:24 PM  
Can someone just win this friggin' war already?
 
2012-02-12 05:53:40 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Someone named Krauthammer should not be indiscriminately using the word 'holocaust'.


He's Jewish and his parents are holocaust survivors.
 
2012-02-12 06:01:07 PM  
NewportBarGuy:

"I cannot imagine the Israelis are going to allow Iran to go nuclear and to hold the Damocles sword over 6 million Jews all over again. Israel was established to prevent a second Holocaust, not to invite one."

If Iran were to attack Israel in any (overt) way, America would burn Iran to the ground and salt the earth.


"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985

Israel is very small. One nuke would be catastrophic. They are surrounded by countries that hate them and routinely fire missiles into the country. When they defend themselves they are condemned.

Weaver95:

Is there any evidence (evidence - hard evidince, not a bunch of speeches from lone nutballs) that Iran is gearing up specifically to nuke Israel 'till it glows?

There's this nutball

I_Am_Weasel:

Someone named Krauthammer should not be indiscriminately using the word 'holocaust'.

Because he's Jewish?
 
2012-02-12 06:04:57 PM  

borg: I_Am_Weasel: Someone named Krauthammer should not be indiscriminately using the word 'holocaust'.

He's Jewish and his parents are holocaust survivors.


That's true re: name. But I before this line of discussion goes further it should be said that just because a person is Jewish does not mean they necessarily support or criticize any particular political position with regards to Israel. The Jewish community is in no way of just one opinion on this (or any other) subject. The population of Israel itself is quite diverse and in no way ideologically monolithic.
 
2012-02-12 06:07:13 PM  

Weaver95: Mugato: Yup, trotting out the Holocaust right on schedule. A little late, actually.

i'm out of orange juice - OMG HOLOCAUST!


images.cheezburger.com

/Oblig and hot like an oven.

Israel, with it's own crop of undeclared nukes, starting a real war in order to prevent a potential war over potential nukes does not strike me as a scenario that ends well for anyone involved and yet just like in the lead up to the Iraq war the powers-that-be seem once again dead set on making it happen regardless of public opinion. The lesson imparted by the fact that an oppressive, regressive country with the bomb gets bribes (See North Korea, Pakistan) and countries who don't get bombed (See: Iraq, possibly Iran) is not a useful one unless one is hellbent on starting the mother of all arms races.
 
2012-02-12 06:08:08 PM  
Bevets:

i.imgur.com

Wow. Didn't even have to play the Summoning Card.
 
2012-02-12 06:09:16 PM  
graphics8.nytimes.com

Lord Jesus, please please please make me President so I can help to usher in the end of days. I want to do your will on Earth, which is to start a global nuclear war that will kill billions.

thepoliticalcarnival.net

Amen.
 
2012-02-12 06:11:34 PM  
NoScript took one look at that page and hung itself.
 
2012-02-12 06:14:04 PM  

quatchi: The lesson imparted by the fact that an oppressive, regressive country with the bomb gets bribes (See North Korea, Pakistan) and countries who don't get bombed (See: Iraq, possibly Iran) is not a useful one unless one is hellbent on starting the mother of all arms races.


The foreign policy lesson regarding countries and nukes seems to be as follows:

1) Make and build that farker as fast as possible

2) Go to every media outlet in the world and scream:


i.imgur.com

3) People will leave you the fark alone.
 
2012-02-12 06:15:43 PM  

Relatively Obscure: NoScript took one look at that page and hung itself.


Dude, if the headline contains the words "Krauthammer," "Israel" and "Iran" you don't need to see the actual page.
 
2012-02-12 06:15:50 PM  

borg: I_Am_Weasel: Someone named Krauthammer should not be indiscriminately using the word 'holocaust'.

He's Jewish and his parents are holocaust survivors.


Something like that, yes.

/It's all in the name.
//Don't be so serious.
 
2012-02-12 06:15:59 PM  
Charles Krauthammer makes irrational comment based on no facts.. News at 11.
 
2012-02-12 06:16:14 PM  

Somacandra: Relatively Obscure: NoScript took one look at that page and hung itself.

Dude, if the headline contains the words "Krauthammer," "Israel" and "Iran" you don't need to see the actual page.


Good point. Thanks, NoScript!
 
2012-02-12 06:34:00 PM  
Go.

The f*ck.

AWAY.

I am getting TIRED OF YOUR SH*T.

You've become the animals who tried to destroy you!!
 
2012-02-12 06:37:28 PM  
You know, can Israel go ahead and nuke Iran already? I'm sick of this shiat.
 
2012-02-12 06:39:05 PM  

GAT_00: You know, can Israel go ahead and nuke Iran already? I'm sick of this shiat.


I, too, am seriously looking forward to World War 3.

I wish the President would tell Israel to stand down, shut the fark up, and stop trying to start a war. But in an election year? This will never happen.
 
2012-02-12 06:44:25 PM  
And those who give the orders, they are not the ones who die,
It's Scott, and MacDonald, and the likes of you and I.

And there were roses...
 
2012-02-12 06:45:30 PM  
You want a list of neoconservative articles cheering for a war for Iran?

It would be huge.
 
2012-02-12 06:47:24 PM  

serpent_sky: GAT_00: You know, can Israel go ahead and nuke Iran already? I'm sick of this shiat.

I, too, am seriously looking forward to World War 3.

I wish the President would tell Israel to stand down, shut the fark up, and stop trying to start a war. But in an election year? This will never happen.


What do you mean an election year? He won't do it at all.

And Israel has no intention of standing down and negotiating. Today they told Abbas to fark off for asking that Israel stop stealing land from the West Bank before starting talks again. All they know how to do is kill people. So they will nuke Iran, and frankly drawing it out like this is farking annoying. Either do it or back the fark down and shut the fark up.
 
2012-02-12 06:55:55 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Someone named Krauthammer should not be indiscriminately using the word 'holocaust'.


Krauthammer is Jewish.
 
2012-02-12 06:58:00 PM  
Hey, you guys. I'm trying to figure out what I think about this article, but to get the full picture, I need to know Charles Krauthammer's religion/cultural identity. Can anyone help?
 
2012-02-12 07:01:25 PM  

gimmegimme: Hey, you guys. I'm trying to figure out what I think about this article, but to get the full picture, I need to know Charles Krauthammer's religion/cultural identity. Can anyone help?


Irish Catholic, I think. Always looking for a fight.
 
2012-02-12 07:04:14 PM  

gimmegimme: Hey, you guys. I'm trying to figure out what I think about this article, but to get the full picture, I need to know Charles Krauthammer's religion/cultural identity. Can anyone help?


Well, Kraut obviously mean he's German. And Hammer means he must worship Thor. Right?
 
2012-02-12 07:04:22 PM  

gimmegimme: Hey, you guys. I'm trying to figure out what I think about this article, but to get the full picture, I need to know Charles Krauthammer's religion/cultural identity. Can anyone help?


Orc.
 
2012-02-12 07:09:06 PM  

GAT_00: And Israel has no intention of standing down and negotiating. Today they told Abbas to fark off for asking that Israel stop stealing land from the West Bank before starting talks again. All they know how to do is kill people. So they will nuke Iran, and frankly drawing it out like this is farking annoying. Either do it or back the fark down and shut the fark up.


If any other nation did half of what they do, they'd certainly not be allies of the United States. But they bully Palestine (and wonder why the Palestinians hate him) and claim to be persecuted if anyone says anything about it other than giving them round of applause.
 
2012-02-12 07:20:46 PM  
Krauthammer 2002
The conventional wisdom is wrong again. It held that President Bush would be guided by the unhappy experience of his father. He had watched his father squander his Gulf War popularity during a recession by refusing to energetically attack domestic problems. Father once inadvertently read a cue card that said, "Message: I care." Son would show that he really does. He would use the political capital gained from the swift and remarkable victory in Afghanistan to press a domestic agenda.
....
Which is why this speech, unlike most State of the Union addresses, will be remembered. It was important. It redefined the war.

Until now, the war had been about Sept. 11. The campaign against the Taliban and Al Qaeda is a campaign of revenge and justice. That campaign is not yet over, but the war, the real war, is not about last Sept. 11. It is about preventing the next Sept. 11--and in particular, a nuclear, chemical or biological Sept. 11.

The joint resolution Congress passed on Sept. 14 simply authorized the use of force against those who perpetrated Sept. 11. This is seriously shortsighted. The point is not finding a miscreant's fingerprints on the World Trade Center. The point is finding the next miscreant's plans for the next World Trade Center.

We have serious enemies with bottomless hatred and, soon, the weapons to match. Whether they were involved in Sept. 11 is irrelevant. We are in a race against time. We have to get to them before they get to us.

Where do we look for them? Bush's three bad guys--North Korea, Iran and Iraq--are ideologically well-chosen. All are heirs to the totalitarianisms of the 20th Century. (Hence "axis of evil." Axis: fascism/nazism. Evil empire: Soviet communism.) North Korea is more Stalinist than Stalin. Iran is the Soviet Union in pre-Gorbachevian foment. And Iraq is Hitlerian Germany, a truly mad police state with external ambitions and a menacing arsenal.

Thank God for North Korea. Mentioning it is the equivalent of strip-searching an 80-year-old Irish nun at airport security: It is our defense against ethnic profiling. Right now, North Korea is too destitute and too isolated to be capable of anything but spasmodic violence. But it has the virtue of being non-Islamic.

The Islamic bad guys, alas, are a far more immediate threat. Iran is a deadly threat--most recently caught trying to establish a terrorist client state by arming and infiltrating Yasser Arafat's Palestine. But Iran is not a ready candidate for the blunt instrument of American power because it is in the grips of a revolution from below. We can best accelerate that revolution by the power of example and success: Overthrowing neighboring radical regimes shows the fragility of dictatorship, challenges the mullahs' mandate from heaven, and thus encourages disaffected Iranians to rise. First, Afghanistan to the east. Next, Iraq to the west.
 
2012-02-12 07:35:53 PM  
Krauthammer 2002
I offer this history not to criticize. We did not know then what we know now: That had the political capital gained in the Gulf War not been dissipated in the quicksand of the Arab-Israeli conflict but concentrated on bringing down Saddam, the region would have been changed immeasurably for the better.

Iraq might have served as the first example of an Arab democracy, spreading its influence and planting seeds in neighboring dictatorships. Its huge oil reserves could have offset Saudi dominance as OPEC's swing producer and helped the United States by increasing production to reduce prices. It might have contributed to resolving the Arab-Israeli dispute, allying itself with the moderate Jordanians, for example, instead of with the most radical anti-Western elements of the region and serving as paymaster for suicide bombers.
....
The Israeli-Palestinian distraction is disabling in two respects. First, it muddies the very principles of the Bush Doctrine. It is hard to declare an uncompromising, unwavering war on "terrorists and those who harbor them," while insisting that Israelis must pull back from pursuing Palestinian suicide bombers and negotiate with those who harbor and support them.
...

Time is running short. Saddam has weapons of mass destruction. He is working on nuclear weapons. And he has every incentive to pass them on to terrorists who will use them against us. We cannot hold the self-defense of the United States hostage to the solving of a century-old regional conflict.


Krauthammer 2002
The French want to leave the question of "safe" interrogation to Blix. Not a chance. He'll likely take the path of least resistance, the one with the fewest "practical difficulties" -- questioning scientists in Iraq, hostages of Hussein. And when he does, the United States will be left powerless.

Why we should agree to these conditions is beyond me. Why is Colin Powell even negotiating them? And why does the president, who is pledged to disarming Hussein one way or the other, allow Powell even to discuss a scheme that is guaranteed to leave Saddam Hussein's weapons in place?


Krauthammer 2003
The window of legitimacy -- that interval during which the United States could mass its forces around Iraq and prepare for war, ostensibly in the name of the United Nations -- is now officially closed. In November we obtained, at a price, a unanimous U.N. Security Council resolution demanding Iraqi disarmament. Now Germany, France, Russia and China have declared themselves opposed to war so long as Hans Blix can run around Iraq merely "containing" Saddam Hussein.
 
2012-02-12 07:56:05 PM  
Dammit K*ckhammer, STFU and GO FIGHT ISRAEL'S WAR YOURSELF.

Twid.
 
2012-02-12 08:17:43 PM  

Elandriel: Maybe we can just preemptively nuke both countries, let them blame it on each other, and then have it over so we can all move on. Nobody has to know. I think this is a winning strategy and will have no significant loss of life that isn't brown people.


Wait...when did Jews become 'brown people' again? The whole basis 'ZOMG HOLOCAUST!!!' was that white folks were getting genocided instead of Africans, Indians(dot), Indians(feather), Filipinos, Chinese etc...
 
2012-02-12 08:23:35 PM  

Party Boy: I_Am_Weasel: Someone named Krauthammer should not be indiscriminately using the word 'holocaust'.

Krauthammer is Jewish.


Apparently I'm too damned subtle.
 
2012-02-12 08:29:41 PM  
I have never understood politicians' fascination with Israel. Not our farking problem.
 
2012-02-12 08:34:37 PM  

Bevets: Someone named Krauthammer should not be indiscriminately using the word 'holocaust'.

Because he's Jewish?


No, because "Krauthammer" translates to "The German Hammer".
 
2012-02-12 08:36:37 PM  

Kittypie070: Dammit K*ckhammer, STFU and GO FIGHT ISRAEL'S WAR YOURSELF.


Are you asking him to take a stand? I don't think he will rise to your bait.
 
2012-02-12 08:36:59 PM  
He's not cheering for it, he's jacking off to it. All Republican religion is, at heart, masturbation in response to the repression.
 
2012-02-12 08:38:44 PM  
Why don't we just bombard Iran with twilight novels, twilight memorabilia, twilight films, and so forth until they beg for mercy?
 
2012-02-12 08:40:33 PM  
Israel using The Holocaust as an excuse is starting to wear thin with people that are not the least bit anti-Semite.

One can like Jews without liking the actions of Israel after all.
 
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