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2012-02-12 10:55:17 AM
Wow. Just wow.
 
2012-02-12 10:59:22 AM
I wonder how that will fly when they have a forest fire to deal with?
 
2012-02-12 11:08:52 AM
I do enjoy the fact that the people who are supposed to enforce the law are so drunk on power that they are delusional.
 
2012-02-12 11:14:22 AM
They'd all poop their pants if the Feds decided to do.. anything.

I can see these rednecks hootin' and hollerin' until they see a predator drone. (maybe these guys are the real reason that drones can be used within the US now)
 
2012-02-12 11:19:11 AM
Its sponsors included the John Birch Society, the Gun Owners of America and the Front Sight Firearms Training Institute. Advertisers included survivalist businesses, anti-IRS proponents, purveyors of gold-buying secrets and one company that sells a guide, "How to Turn Your Home into a Fortress."

Kind of says it all right there.
 
2012-02-12 11:19:18 AM
Somebody just made the transition from authoritarian moron to treason.
 
2012-02-12 11:25:10 AM
I wonder if these treasonous morons still proclaim they're 'proud to be an American'?
 
2012-02-12 11:30:07 AM
BiblioTech: I wonder how that will fly when they have a forest fire to deal with?

No one has a stronger sense of entitlement than "constitutionalists". They think those federal programs that benefit THEM are ok, but those that benefit others an unconstitutional seizure of their money.

I may be Republican, but I'm not an imbecile.

/Granted, that distinction is not easy these days.
 
2012-02-12 11:34:19 AM
Silly sheriffs.

Don't they know that local, county and State governments have long since been dissolved, and that all police are now just foot soldiers for the Centralized Authoritarian Regime?

Obey your Commander In Chief, soldiers.
 
2012-02-12 11:35:18 AM
Ricardo Klement: They think those federal programs that benefit THEM are ok

Such as... ?
 
2012-02-12 11:36:09 AM
clancifer: I wonder if these treasonous morons still proclaim they're 'proud to be an American'?


Whar "treason"???

Whar?
 
2012-02-12 11:54:41 AM
Oath Keepers? (new window)
 
2012-02-12 12:14:41 PM
Amos Quito: Ricardo Klement: They think those federal programs that benefit THEM are ok

Such as... ?


You mean what federal programs do you like, or do you mean what federal programs do other people like? Because I don't know you well enough to tell you. I don't even know if you live in the US.
 
2012-02-12 12:24:43 PM
I live in the US.

And I'm asking you which Federal programs you think "Constitutionalists" like, as opposed to the ones they think are "an unconstitutional seizure of their money."

Examples?
 
2012-02-12 12:53:42 PM
It all seems silly until you look at history.

Just after Hurricane Katrina the Feds (FEMA) went to the radio transmitter site for Jefferson Parish and disconnected JP's radio repeater system, putting the whole parish emergency system off the air and used the antennae for their own radios. Jefferson Parish went and reconnected their own emergency radios (police and fire). The feds sent marshals to accompany the technicians and prevent JP's people from interfering. Sheriff Harry Lee sent JPSO officers to arrest the Federal Marshals for "assisted sabotage of JP emergency equipment" and a stand-off ensued that lasted for a couple of hours.

The Feds surrendered the repeater site and brought in their own antennae, JPSO released the marshals, and FEMA decided not to cross Sheriff Harry Lee and his JPSO again. One of the quotes that leaked: "Damn! That fat SOB is freakin' nuts!" Harry took it as a compliment.
 
2012-02-12 12:58:34 PM
Amos Quito: I live in the US.

And I'm asking you which Federal programs you think "Constitutionalists" like, as opposed to the ones they think are "an unconstitutional seizure of their money."

Examples?


It depends on the "constitutionalist". You know, tea partiers who complain about socialized health care and then demand it keep its hands of their medicare. Or Ron Paul supporters who think the Free Market will fix everything, but then want someone to step in and do something about media bias. Depends. They are not monolithic in WHICH programs they like.
 
2012-02-12 02:05:00 PM
Amos Quito: I live in the US.

And I'm asking you which Federal programs you think "Constitutionalists" like, as opposed to the ones they think are "an unconstitutional seizure of their money."

Examples?


Federal disaster aid, money to build and repair infrastructure, and money for the departments seems a-ok with them. but tell them they can't racially profile, sell a bazooka at wal-mart and have to follow Miranda rules and it's fascism. that's what we see here.
 
2012-02-12 02:10:34 PM
adamgreeney: Amos Quito: I live in the US.

And I'm asking you which Federal programs you think "Constitutionalists" like, as opposed to the ones they think are "an unconstitutional seizure of their money."

Examples?

Federal disaster aid, money to build and repair infrastructure, and money for the departments seems a-ok with them. but tell them they can't racially profile, sell a bazooka at wal-mart and have to follow Miranda rules and it's fascism. that's what we see here.



Sounds like we're off to a rational start.

Oy.
 
2012-02-12 02:13:10 PM
Dufus: It all seems silly until you look at history.

Just after Hurricane Katrina the Feds (FEMA) went to the radio transmitter site for Jefferson Parish and disconnected JP's radio repeater system, putting the whole parish emergency system off the air and used the antennae for their own radios. Jefferson Parish went and reconnected their own emergency radios (police and fire). The feds sent marshals to accompany the technicians and prevent JP's people from interfering. Sheriff Harry Lee sent JPSO officers to arrest the Federal Marshals for "assisted sabotage of JP emergency equipment" and a stand-off ensued that lasted for a couple of hours.

The Feds surrendered the repeater site and brought in their own antennae, JPSO released the marshals, and FEMA decided not to cross Sheriff Harry Lee and his JPSO again. One of the quotes that leaked: "Damn! That fat SOB is freakin' nuts!" Harry took it as a compliment.


So, at that time, the Sheriff wanted to continue using the radio to remind everybody that there's been a massive flood, and he got his panties in a twist when the Federal Agency tasked with coming in to clean it up wanted to use the radio instead?

That's what I'm getting out of your cool story.
 
2012-02-12 02:13:58 PM
Awesome!! Now all the young'uns that missed out on the Posse Comitatus and citizens' militias can enjoy the rollicking good times of disillusioned country-fried assholes getting gunned down by Federal agents!!

Good times!
 
2012-02-12 02:20:17 PM
Amos Quito: adamgreeney: Amos Quito: I live in the US.

And I'm asking you which Federal programs you think "Constitutionalists" like, as opposed to the ones they think are "an unconstitutional seizure of their money."

Examples?

Federal disaster aid, money to build and repair infrastructure, and money for the departments seems a-ok with them. but tell them they can't racially profile, sell a bazooka at wal-mart and have to follow Miranda rules and it's fascism. that's what we see here.


Sounds like we're off to a rational start.

Oy.


Please explain, with examples, how I'm wrong. A lot of this rhetoric comes out of immigration issues and 2nd Amendment paranoia. Is that not true? And are they not ok with begging and expecting federal disaster aid when they need it? You can look through a month, any month, of links on the Politics tab and see story after story about this shiat.
 
2012-02-12 02:42:21 PM
adamgreeney: Amos Quito: adamgreeney: Amos Quito: I live in the US.

And I'm asking you which Federal programs you think "Constitutionalists" like, as opposed to the ones they think are "an unconstitutional seizure of their money."

Examples?

Federal disaster aid, money to build and repair infrastructure, and money for the departments seems a-ok with them. but tell them they can't racially profile, sell a bazooka at wal-mart and have to follow Miranda rules and it's fascism. that's what we see here.


Sounds like we're off to a rational start.

Oy.

Please explain, with examples, how I'm wrong. A lot of this rhetoric comes out of immigration issues and 2nd Amendment paranoia. Is that not true? And are they not ok with begging and expecting federal disaster aid when they need it? You can look through a month, any month, of links on the Politics tab and see story after story about this shiat.


And the vast majority of them seem to have little problem with having metric farktons of money spent on blowing up funeral mourners and people who show up after drone strikes to help out the brown people we blew arms and legs off of.
 
2012-02-12 03:01:05 PM
Self-important wankers have convention to wank, feel self-important.

That's what these militia movements are mostly about. Sitting around talking about how patriotic you are and even though you aren't doing anything important now you're ready just in case you need to overthrow a tyrannical government. They are one step below LARPers because LARPers generally know they're playing make believe.
 
2012-02-12 03:02:32 PM
BiblioTech: Its sponsors included the John Birch Society, the Gun Owners of America and the Front Sight Firearms Training Institute. Advertisers included survivalist businesses, anti-IRS proponents, purveyors of gold-buying secrets and one company that sells a guide, "How to Turn Your Home into a Fortress."

Kind of says it all right there.
 
2012-02-12 03:04:36 PM
While I can agree with the sentiment, especially in light of recent events (declaring the US a "battlefield"), the typical raison d'etre of those who filter into these positions of power and social groups puts me in opposition to their movement.

Local law enforcement would and should be a key component in defense against an over-reaching Federal Government once that Government decides to oppress the People.

But these guys? Fark no. The last people I want assuming power when the Federal Stormtroopers come a-knockin' are the same bullies that are already hard at work treating the populace like shiat.

/no saying there are Federal Stormtroopers that are set to march on the nation
//it's just an extreme example of one side versus another
///sadly, it falls under Poe's Law these days...
 
2012-02-12 03:05:11 PM
El Paso County Commissioner Peggy Littleton, who attended with El Paso County Sheriff Terry Maketa, gave a presentation that took another tack. She told how her county recently passed a resolution to nullify the National Defense Authorization Act.

How much does anyone want to bet that they only want to nullify the 'Obama can arrest anyone' part of the law, while still being completely happy to take any money appropriated through it for border enforcement or reserve units stationed in the county?
 
2012-02-12 03:06:41 PM
Maybe, just maybe, it's the federal agents that are morons.
 
2012-02-12 03:07:38 PM
Amos Quito: Silly sheriffs.

Don't they know that local, county and State governments have long since been dissolved, and that all police are now just foot soldiers for the Centralized Authoritarian Regime?

Obey your Commander In Chief, soldiers.


Congratulations. You've now made the transition from Orange 1 to Grey 1.
 
2012-02-12 03:08:04 PM
Convention to discuss the pitfalls and problems that come about when local agencies have to deal with fed agencies? Good!

Sponsored by the John Birch Society and apparently everyone who advertizes on Glenn Beck TV? Skullfarkingly bad.

You may as well have a biology convention run by Young Earth Creationists and cryptozoologists.
 
2012-02-12 03:08:22 PM
BiblioTech: Its sponsors included the John Birch Society, the Gun Owners of America and the Front Sight Firearms Training Institute. Advertisers included survivalist businesses, anti-IRS proponents, purveyors of gold-buying secrets and one company that sells a guide, "How to Turn Your Home into a Fortress."

Kind of says it all right there.


Yeah, that's DerpCon 1 all the way.
 
2012-02-12 03:11:37 PM
Dufus: It all seems silly until you look at history.

Just after Hurricane Katrina the Feds (FEMA) went to the radio transmitter site for Jefferson Parish and disconnected JP's radio repeater system, putting the whole parish emergency system off the air and used the antennae for their own radios. Jefferson Parish went and reconnected their own emergency radios (police and fire). The feds sent marshals to accompany the technicians and prevent JP's people from interfering. Sheriff Harry Lee sent JPSO officers to arrest the Federal Marshals for "assisted sabotage of JP emergency equipment" and a stand-off ensued that lasted for a couple of hours.

The Feds surrendered the repeater site and brought in their own antennae, JPSO released the marshals, and FEMA decided not to cross Sheriff Harry Lee and his JPSO again. One of the quotes that leaked: "Damn! That fat SOB is freakin' nuts!" Harry took it as a compliment.


I remember reading something about that. It seemed to me the feds realized that while they were waving their cocks back and forth against these hillbillies there were people dying. Then after they realized this they decided to take a more productive action instead of escalating this further. Afterwards the hillbillies thought they stood down the feds.

No, they weren't scared of you, inbred hicks. They were smart enough and mature enough to realize what was happening was asinine and innocent people were paying the price.
 
2012-02-12 03:14:14 PM
Oh I knew this was going to be a fun thread because I knew all of the usual liberal suspects would be ranting and raving about this.

And a month from now they will be on the other side screaming that the fed can't come in and arrest people after a state legalizes marijuana... And then turn right around and say that the fed can stop a state from enforcing laws it has passed concerning immigration.

So are you for states rights or against them? Make up your mind and be consistent please. As for myself?

1. A state can pass its own marijuana laws and enforce them and the federal government can butt the hell out.
2. A state can pass its own immigration laws and enforce them and the federal government can butt the hell out.
3. A state can pass any law not forbidden by the Constitution and the federal government can butt the hell out.

In the even that the federal government decides it doesn't want to "butt the hell out", I fully support a states rights to start arresting people who are breaking state laws, no matter who sent them.
 
2012-02-12 03:17:31 PM
 
2012-02-12 03:20:58 PM
randomjsa: Oh I knew this was going to be a fun thread because I knew all of the usual liberal suspects would be ranting and raving about this.

And a month from now they will be on the other side screaming that the fed can't come in and arrest people after a state legalizes marijuana... And then turn right around and say that the fed can stop a state from enforcing laws it has passed concerning immigration.

So are you for states rights or against them? Make up your mind and be consistent please. As for myself?

1. A state can pass its own marijuana laws and enforce them and the federal government can butt the hell out.
2. A state can pass its own immigration laws and enforce them and the federal government can butt the hell out.
3. A state can pass any law not forbidden by the Constitution and the federal government can butt the hell out.

In the even that the federal government decides it doesn't want to "butt the hell out", I fully support a states rights to start arresting people who are breaking state laws, no matter who sent them.


That would make each state its own country, beholden only to the constitution. Doesn't work that way. Federal law trumps state law trumps municipal law trumps HOA law trumps "you live in my house you obey my rules" law.
 
2012-02-12 03:21:03 PM
Is this 1850?
 
2012-02-12 03:21:12 PM
If most constituents knew that their sheriff went to this convention, they'd be so outraged that they'd only let them keep the office for another three terms.
 
2012-02-12 03:21:21 PM
randomjsa: I fully support a states rights to start arresting people who are breaking state laws, no matter who sent them.

So, a state can make it illegal to be gay?
 
2012-02-12 03:21:53 PM
Sorry, the Federal Government is more responsive and trustworthy than Officer Obie. The only people who want him in charge, are those that benefit from local corruption.
 
2012-02-12 03:23:25 PM
Ricardo Klement: BiblioTech: I wonder how that will fly when they have a forest fire to deal with?

No one has a stronger sense of entitlement than "constitutionalists". They think those federal programs that benefit THEM are ok, but those that benefit others an unconstitutional seizure of their money.

I may be Republican, but I'm not an imbecile.

/Granted, that distinction is not easy these days.


nice handle, bro.

Nazis. Tee Hee.
 
2012-02-12 03:23:48 PM
These people have lost their minds.
 
2012-02-12 03:24:10 PM
randomjsa: A state can pass its own immigration laws and enforce them and the federal government can butt the hell out.

wat.

FTFConstitution: The Congress shall have the power... To establish a uniform rule of naturalization...

Have you read the 10th Amendment lately?
 
2012-02-12 03:24:12 PM
Another threatening to bring out his SWAT team to go up against a federal government SWAT team

Yeah, good luck with that.

It's all fun and games until the SEALs show up.
 
2012-02-12 03:28:25 PM
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I predict a horrendous crash.
 
2012-02-12 03:28:48 PM
Don't Troll Me Bro!: I remember reading something about that. It seemed to me the feds realized that while they were waving their cocks back and forth against these hillbillies there were people dying. Then after they realized this they decided to take a more productive action instead of escalating this further. Afterwards the hillbillies thought they stood down the feds.

No, they weren't scared of you, inbred hicks. They were smart enough and mature enough to realize what was happening was asinine and innocent people were paying the price.


Um, the Feds were quite clearly being stupid beyond belief, taking out the EMERGENCY RADIO REPEATER. Police and other emergency services tend to work most effectively when they have radio communications. Or are you saying that it's best to have local emergency responders blind and dumb for a few Feds can keep in touch? It was the Feds who were impeding and hurting the people by sabotaging local emergency responders.

On a semi-related note, I should also point out what the supremacy clause actually says, since I know some Zombies (new window) are going to cite it in regards to this story.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land

Only constitutional laws are the law of the land, unconstitutional laws are null and void and their enforcement illegal. (Which includes most of what the Federal Government does today, much of which the states could do.) Citing the supremacy clause simply is circular logic and shows that a person don't even understand the question being asked.

State Nullification FAQ (new window)
 
2012-02-12 03:30:23 PM
Who footed the bill for this junket?
 
2012-02-12 03:31:53 PM
Give me a break, in the lives of the average citizen it is state and local law enforcement trampling constitutional rights above and beyond the federal gov't. Be it harassment, illegal searches, brutality, prosecutorial misconduct, or horrific prison conditions, states have *nothing* to crow about in this respect.
 
2012-02-12 03:32:23 PM
Kumana Wanalaia: randomjsa: words

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause (pops)


I think this says it all.

A Federal Law automatically overrides any contradictory state laws (unless the federal law in question has a built-in mechanism to allow states to opt out). I might think a Federal law is stupid, but it still overrides any state law on the subject until it is repealed.

If a Federal Law is unconstitutional, then it's up to the Supreme Court to declare it as such, not the individual states.


Now does this mean State laws permitting marijuana are in violation of the Supremacy clause, unfortunately yes. I support legalization, but I believe it must happen on the Federal level. Either by congress passing a measure legalizing it outright, or by the Supreme Court ruling the commerce clause does not allow the Federal government to ban marijuana grown, sold, and consumed within a single state.
 
2012-02-12 03:34:22 PM
Crosshair: Don't Troll Me Bro!: I remember reading something about that. It seemed to me the feds realized that while they were waving their cocks back and forth against these hillbillies there were people dying. Then after they realized this they decided to take a more productive action instead of escalating this further. Afterwards the hillbillies thought they stood down the feds.

No, they weren't scared of you, inbred hicks. They were smart enough and mature enough to realize what was happening was asinine and innocent people were paying the price.

Um, the Feds were quite clearly being stupid beyond belief, taking out the EMERGENCY RADIO REPEATER. Police and other emergency services tend to work most effectively when they have radio communications. Or are you saying that it's best to have local emergency responders blind and dumb for a few Feds can keep in touch? It was the Feds who were impeding and hurting the people by sabotaging local emergency responders.

On a semi-related note, I should also point out what the supremacy clause actually says, since I know some Zombies (new window) are going to cite it in regards to this story.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land

Only constitutional laws are the law of the land, unconstitutional laws are null and void and their enforcement illegal. (Which includes most of what the Federal Government does today, much of which the states could do.) Citing the supremacy clause simply is circular logic and shows that a person don't even understand the question being asked.

State Nullification FAQ (new window)


Utterly worthless as the acknowledged supreme authority in issues of constitutional law is the Supreme Court. A federal entity, if I recall. If a constitutional challenge is made to a federal law, it goes before a federal court. While a state can bring forth such a challenge, it doesn't get to second-guess the supremes.
 
2012-02-12 03:38:14 PM
Kumana Wanalaia: randomjsa: words

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause (pops)


Without Fail: randomjsa: I fully support a states rights to start arresting people who are breaking state laws, no matter who sent them.

So, a state can make it illegal to be gay?


And black? Or hispanic? Or a woman who wants to control her own body?

I would love to see a list of examples from our history where the conservatives have argued states rights to grant power to the people and not limit it.

I bet said list could fit on a Post-it with room left for a grocery list.
 
2012-02-12 03:39:49 PM
Even before I saw it was Las Vegas I'd already been thinking of Hunter S. Thompson.
 
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