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2012-02-12 10:46:26 AM

StoneColdAtheist: Bomb Head Mohammed: "But longer term, Crisp said Castro deserves a significant damages payment from the government for its error."

The lawyers are involved. Run.

Not in this case, since it seems that Army screwed up. In fact, if I were his lawyer I'd be arguing that since the Army claims he was never properly discharged and felt so strongly enough to issue a warrant for his arrest, then he was in fact IN the Army for those nine years, and hence is owed pack pay and benefits in addition to compensation for the wrongful arrest.

Lessee now, he was what, an E3? Since subsequent to his AWOL he had no significant behavior issues while in the Army and in civilian life, it is reasonable to presume he would have been promoted...say to E5 over the ensuing 9 years. Looking at a pay chart shows that he could have expected to roughly average about $2500/mo in total pay and benefits, so 2500 times 12 months a year times nine years is: $270,000 back pay.

And then there is the trauma and stigma of being arrested and jailed, then subsequently harassed and blamed by the Army because of the indifference and incompetence of the NCOs and Officers appointed over him, so triple damages?

This is fun! ;^)

/25 years in USAF
//DD214...I haz 3 of 'em


Read the article. He was being kicked out.
 
2012-02-12 10:51:57 AM
If you think that's bad I knew a guy who shipped out to Basic, but the local MEPS station didn't record his departure. They sent MPs to his parent's house telling his mom he was awol and she broke down crying wondering how he could do such a thing. Finally she muttered something like "I can't believe he would go awol from Basic Training!" and the MPs responded "wait, you mean he went to Basic Training? ... uh nevermind" and abruptly left.
 
2012-02-12 10:55:53 AM

kingdd: MFAWG: kingdd: I see guys like this everyday. They are garage.


Well, at least you can keep cars in them.
 
2012-02-12 10:59:16 AM
kingdd:I have been in the Navy for 18 years. I work at a command that ends up having to process a lot of these kids that fail out for one reason or another...

...This kid was most likely never deployed and never did anything for his country.


As opposed to your valiant efforts to combat the paperwork menace? Congrats on sitting on your ass and making rank by attrition for two decades. You're just like all the other lifers I've known, completely incapable of living outside of a setting where everything is taken care of for you or working where people don't have to do what you tell them without being given a reason, and proud as all hell about it.
 
2012-02-12 10:59:44 AM

Thaddeus Mutton: kingdd: MFAWG: kingdd: I see guys like this everyday. They are garage.

Well, at least you can keep cars in them.


I'm not saying we should retroactively pin the Medal of Honor on the guy, but in a country where less than 1 pct are serving and less than 25 pct have ever served I think you could find it in your heart to give the guy a minimal amount of credit.
 
2012-02-12 11:02:38 AM

rmoody: As opposed to your valiant efforts to combat the paperwork menace? Congrats on sitting on your ass and making rank by attrition for two decades. You're just like all the other lifers I've known, completely incapable of living outside of a setting where everything is taken care of for you or working where people don't have to do what you tell them without being given a reason, and proud as all hell about it.


Little bitter about your shiatty life?
 
2012-02-12 11:12:33 AM

Maus III: Bah, you kids haven't lived til you've earned the coveted OTH discharge. Cry babies in boot want out. Wah, wah, wah. Refusal to do the swim test. Wah, wah, wah. Can't adapt to military life. Wah, wah, wah.

You're threatened you with dishonorable discharge, life is over, quitting b/c it's hard so that's all you'll ever do is quit, can't get student loans so you may as well stay in,etc, ad nauseum.


Guess what. None of that crap gets you an OTH. You get an ELS: Entry Level Separation. It's an "other", it's not honorable, and it's not punitive, it specifically passes no judgement on the character of the service, under the idea you weren't in long enough for it to matter, as long as the paperwork was initiated within 180 days of entering active service and you weren't pending UCMJ action (or they just dropped the action to get you out quickly if it was for something relatively petty).

The ONLY way to get a dishonorable discharge is by conviction at a General Court Martial, and that is only for things that would be felonies in the civilian world.

You've gotta fark up royally to get a dishonorable discharge.

Things I saw somebody get an Entry Level Separation for:
1. Concealed asthma from the medical staff at MEPS, lasted about 3 weeks before he was too sickly to go on. First FTX, in freezing weather in February was what really pushed his lungs over the limit.

2. Couldn't speak English well enough to learn how to shoot. Was an outstanding, hardworking soldier, but was a lousy shot and spoke English so poorly that the Drill Sergeants couldn't explain to her what she was doing wrong.

3. Had a mental freakout/breakdown when the Drill Sergeant explained that his job before being a DS was to notify next of kin: going around in his Class A's telling mothers and wifes their sons and husbands wouldn't be coming home. He asked every soldier in the platoon to close their eyes and imagine him having to go back to their next of kin and give the news. She freaked out, apparently never realizing you could actually die in the Army (?!) and started wanting out. After about a month and several visits to a psychologist, she got an Entry Level Separation.

4. "Gangsta" type who enlisted ostensibly to get out of the "hood", but could never ditch the street mentality and learned absolutely no discipline or professionalism. Officially he was discharged for failing to qualify with his weapon. They could have given him more chances, but he had a bad enough attitude they didn't want to keep him around.

5. Plain old quitter. 20 year old kid who was living in his parents attic, and had never gone to college or held a job. His father was a retired Master Sergeant and thought joining the Reserves might give his son just a little discipline and motivation. He steadfastly from the day he got there just didn't want to do anything. Drill Sergeants screamed at him enough to make him reluctantly go along with things, until he started missing targets on purpose on the firing range so he'd fail to qualify and they'd send him home.

6. In AIT, my roommate's fiancee was the victim of a home invasion robbery and rape. He got the Red Cross emergency message the day after his fiancee called, crying, from the hospital. The company commander refused to give him Emergency Leave, even after the investigating police detective and the fiancee's priest and psychiatrist called to beg the CO to let him come home for a few days to comfort her. He told the CO that if he didn't give him emergency leave, he'd go AWOL to go back and be with her, and come back in a week. He got the leave form. . .and when he got back was told he was being processed out with an Entry Level Separation for "failure to adapt".
 
2012-02-12 11:13:59 AM

rmoody: kingdd:I have been in the Navy for 18 years. I work at a command that ends up having to process a lot of these kids that fail out for one reason or another...

...This kid was most likely never deployed and never did anything for his country.

As opposed to your valiant efforts to combat the paperwork menace? Congrats on sitting on your ass and making rank by attrition for two decades. You're just like all the other lifers I've known, completely incapable of living outside of a setting where everything is taken care of for you or working where people don't have to do what you tell them without being given a reason, and proud as all hell about it.


Hey dumbass, in my 18 years I've spent 12 years at sea on submarines. Including conducting tomahawk missile strikes immediately following 9/11 and during the second Iraq war. And before you say shiat about that. I've personally loading those missile and sent them off to kill people. I've seen the Battle Damage Assessments. I've killed for my country. What have you done?
 
2012-02-12 11:17:47 AM

kingdd: Read the article. He was being kicked out.


No...YOU read the article. And if you can't be bothered, reread your own post; specifically the part that reads, "He was being kicked out." The word "being" implies and concedes that the discharge was not completed to the Army's satisfaction, and in fact is the basis of their issuing a warrant for his arrest. And if he is subject to the arrest warrant then they're conceding that he is in fact still in the Army. And if that is the case, then public law comes into play, which states that one cannot serve in the military without being paid. Period. Dot. End of conversation.

If you think I'm wrong, look no further than Lt Col Steven Wollman's statement that, "Fort Carson officials learned of Pvt. Castro's situation earlier this week and took action to address the problem of the missing DD214." In civilian-speak, this is tantamount to saying, "We royally farked up his outprocessing and want to make the problem go away without it costing the Army the better part of a million dollars."

It's going to cost them a bundle anyway, since the kid's lawyer knows the system and is arm twisting the Army anyway over the issue of how other may be in this situation. The only question is...how much.
 
2012-02-12 11:19:01 AM

rmoody: kingdd:I have been in the Navy for 18 years. I work at a command that ends up having to process a lot of these kids that fail out for one reason or another...

...This kid was most likely never deployed and never did anything for his country.

As opposed to your valiant efforts to combat the paperwork menace? Congrats on sitting on your ass and making rank by attrition for two decades. You're just like all the other lifers I've known, completely incapable of living outside of a setting where everything is taken care of for you or working where people don't have to do what you tell them without being given a reason, and proud as all hell about it.


Good call. Somebody had to say it. Military is often just another government job for alot people and they're usually the loudest about all the pride and bravado.

i44.tinypic.com
 
2012-02-12 11:19:12 AM
I don't have all day to argue about this. I have a life. Let me end it with this quote:

"A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living."
-John F. Kennedy (JFK)
 
2012-02-12 11:44:45 AM

StoneColdAtheist: kingdd: Read the article. He was being kicked out.

No...YOU read the article. And if you can't be bothered, reread your own post; specifically the part that reads, "He was being kicked out." The word "being" implies and concedes that the discharge was not completed to the Army's satisfaction, and in fact is the basis of their issuing a warrant for his arrest. And if he is subject to the arrest warrant then they're conceding that he is in fact still in the Army. And if that is the case, then public law comes into play, which states that one cannot serve in the military without being paid. Period. Dot. End of conversation.

If you think I'm wrong, look no further than Lt Col Steven Wollman's statement that, "Fort Carson officials learned of Pvt. Castro's situation earlier this week and took action to address the problem of the missing DD214." In civilian-speak, this is tantamount to saying, "We royally farked up his outprocessing and want to make the problem go away without it costing the Army the better part of a million dollars."

It's going to cost them a bundle anyway, since the kid's lawyer knows the system and is arm twisting the Army anyway over the issue of how other may be in this situation. The only question is...how much.


Per Diem for the 9 years they didn't give him his DD-214 sounds about right.
 
2012-02-12 11:45:28 AM
Maus III: Bah, you kids haven't lived til you've earned the coveted OTH discharge. Cry babies in boot want out. Wah, wah, wah. Refusal to do the swim test. Wah, wah, wah. Can't adapt to military life. Wah, wah, wah.

You're threatened you with dishonorable discharge, life is over, quitting b/c it's hard so that's all you'll ever do is quit, can't get student loans so you may as well stay in,etc, ad nauseum.

Truth is an OTH does NOTHING bad against your future...unless you want a federal gov. job and then you're farked well and good. You CAN earn a dishonorable in boot but it takes a lot of work and it can only be awarded after a conviction via court martial.


Err, maybe it's just as of the last six years, but if you wash out of boot camp with less than six months of service, they do not classify or catagorize the discharge. It's listed as administrative or uncatagorized on the DD-214, not OTH.

You have to really screw up to get OTH. The only people I know who got it were the RHU idiots who were there for slugging their drill, or trying to kill someone.

/Uncatagorized.
//Previously existing Medical Condition
 
2012-02-12 11:46:25 AM

MFAWG: kingdd: Hey. Not just a squid. I'm a Chief and a submariner. We are actual required to be able to think and reason, unlike some of the other branches of the military.

Without getting into a major pissing contest about this, the guy in the article did very little time in the military and was kicked out on a pattern of misconduct. The fact that he opted for a OTH rather than be taken to Courts Martial says alot about how guilty he knew he was. This kid was most likely never deployed and never did anything for his country. I don't know about you but I have an emotional connection to the word veteran. Veterans are people who have made sacrifices for their country. He is not one. The fact that you are defending him says slot about you.

I didn't say he served well, I said he served. Which he did.

Suck it up, sailor.


Aren't you a patronizing shiat. He's right, you're wrong, fark off.
 
2012-02-12 11:48:24 AM
NO NO NO

the guy was SUPPOSED to be discharged, the army MEANT to discharge him, but because the army did it wrong and the PAPERWORK says he wasn't discharged, the guy is in the wronggggggg

also two wrongs makes a right and fark cubans, also you are forever defined by one failing.
 
2012-02-12 11:52:32 AM

BronyMedic: Maus III: Bah, you kids haven't lived til you've earned the coveted OTH discharge. Cry babies in boot want out. Wah, wah, wah. Refusal to do the swim test. Wah, wah, wah. Can't adapt to military life. Wah, wah, wah.

You're threatened you with dishonorable discharge, life is over, quitting b/c it's hard so that's all you'll ever do is quit, can't get student loans so you may as well stay in,etc, ad nauseum.

Truth is an OTH does NOTHING bad against your future...unless you want a federal gov. job and then you're farked well and good. You CAN earn a dishonorable in boot but it takes a lot of work and it can only be awarded after a conviction via court martial.

Err, maybe it's just as of the last six years, but if you wash out of boot camp with less than six months of service, they do not classify or catagorize the discharge. It's listed as administrative or uncatagorized on the DD-214, not OTH.

You have to really screw up to get OTH. The only people I know who got it were the RHU idiots who were there for slugging their drill, or trying to kill someone.

/Uncatagorized.
//Previously existing Medical Condition


Hmmm, so they changed the rules since my fiance was in (back in the 80s). Glad they're not handing out the OTH anymore. Not that it really did anything to you in any case...except for not being able to rejoin any armed forces branch. Or has that changed, as well?
 
2012-02-12 11:59:44 AM
WELCOME TO THE MACHINE
 
2012-02-12 11:59:56 AM
Maus III: BronyMedic: Maus III: Bah, you kids haven't lived til you've earned the coveted OTH discharge. Cry babies in boot want out. Wah, wah, wah. Refusal to do the swim test. Wah, wah, wah. Can't adapt to military life. Wah, wah, wah.

You're threatened you with dishonorable discharge, life is over, quitting b/c it's hard so that's all you'll ever do is quit, can't get student loans so you may as well stay in,etc, ad nauseum.

Truth is an OTH does NOTHING bad against your future...unless you want a federal gov. job and then you're farked well and good. You CAN earn a dishonorable in boot but it takes a lot of work and it can only be awarded after a conviction via court martial.

Err, maybe it's just as of the last six years, but if you wash out of boot camp with less than six months of service, they do not classify or catagorize the discharge. It's listed as administrative or uncatagorized on the DD-214, not OTH.

You have to really screw up to get OTH. The only people I know who got it were the RHU idiots who were there for slugging their drill, or trying to kill someone.

/Uncatagorized.
//Previously existing Medical Condition

Hmmm, so they changed the rules since my fiance was in (back in the 80s). Glad they're not handing out the OTH anymore. Not that it really did anything to you in any case...except for not being able to rejoin any armed forces branch. Or has that changed, as well?


Depends on your re-enlistment code on the DD-214. Mine's a 3, which according to the ANG recruiter I talked to when I was looking at funding for RN, means I'd have to get an Ortho and Psych waver due to my medical problems.

Entry Level Seperation, that's what it's called. I read a few posts above mine. Basically, it's as if you were never in the military, but your DD-214 exists only to say you were in basic, but fell out for some reason. (Medical Condition, failure to adapt, etc.)
 
2012-02-12 12:16:00 PM
JesusJuice. Thanks for a voice of reason. I was beginning to think it was Douche-baggy-asshat Day on Fark.
 
2012-02-12 12:37:15 PM

Silverstaff: Maus III:
The ONLY way to get a dishonorable discharge is by conviction at a General Court Martial, and that is only for things that would be felonies in the civilian world.

You've gotta fark up royally to get a dishonorable discharge.

Things I saw somebody get an Entry Level Separation for:
1. Concealed asthma from the medical staff at MEPS, lasted about 3 weeks before he was too sickly to go on. First FTX, in freezing weather in February was what really pushed his lungs over the limit.

.


Speaking of concealing asthma... the summer between high school and college I looked very closely at joining the National Guard to help pay for my education. I have a history of asthma, although not serious, and the recruiter asked me to conceal it during an interview. This was in 1999, so I'm not sure if that was more or less common then. I decided that lying about my health status wasn't really the route I wanted to go.
 
2012-02-12 12:46:05 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Subby fails reading comprehension. He never was given his final discharge orders, so he was never discharged. Seems like a case of multiple AWOL to me.


Maj. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the division commander, approved Castro's request for a discharge in lieu of court-martial.

The paperwork Odierno signed on Dec. 4, 2002, directed that Castro receive an other-than-honorable discharge and "be separated from the Army within five working days."

so what part of MORON are you??
the article CLEARLY states that the commanding officer signed the paper work to discharge the soldier in 5 days.
the soldier was discharged. period.
the army farked up the paper work which has nothing to do with reality.

so the army will pay for this fark up. and by army I mean tax payers.

simple solution
publicly post the name and serial number of all the outstanding AWOL WARRANTS online.
TADA
ex-soldiers and soldiers can check to see their status.

TADA
problem solved
 
2012-02-12 01:08:29 PM

XveryYpettyZ: Silverstaff: Maus III:
The ONLY way to get a dishonorable discharge is by conviction at a General Court Martial, and that is only for things that would be felonies in the civilian world.

You've gotta fark up royally to get a dishonorable discharge.

Things I saw somebody get an Entry Level Separation for:
1. Concealed asthma from the medical staff at MEPS, lasted about 3 weeks before he was too sickly to go on. First FTX, in freezing weather in February was what really pushed his lungs over the limit.
.

Speaking of concealing asthma... the summer between high school and college I looked very closely at joining the National Guard to help pay for my education. I have a history of asthma, although not serious, and the recruiter asked me to conceal it during an interview. This was in 1999, so I'm not sure if that was more or less common then. I decided that lying about my health status wasn't really the route I wanted to go.


Recruiters will make you do anything that will boost their recruitment stats. NOT the shining examples we make them out to be all the time. Mine proclaimed to be the best Security Forces airman ever trained, and then got thrown out for farking his recruits.
 
2012-02-12 01:16:42 PM

namatad: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Subby fails reading comprehension. He never was given his final discharge orders, so he was never discharged. Seems like a case of multiple AWOL to me.

Maj. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the division commander, approved Castro's request for a discharge in lieu of court-martial.

The paperwork Odierno signed on Dec. 4, 2002, directed that Castro receive an other-than-honorable discharge and "be separated from the Army within five working days."

so what part of MORON are you??
the article CLEARLY states that the commanding officer signed the paper work to discharge the soldier in 5 days.
the soldier was discharged. period.
the army farked up the paper work which has nothing to do with reality.


Speaking of MORONs...look in the mirror. The CO did not sign "the paperwork to discharge the the soldier". The CO signed paperwork directing the soldier be discharged. Those two things are not the same.

When that sinks into your head, you can apologize to FlyingLizardOfDoom.
 
2012-02-12 01:27:43 PM

Nordschleife:

Recruiters will make you do anything that will boost their recruitment stats. NOT the shining examples we make them out to be all the time. Mine proclaimed to be the best Security Forces airman ever trained, and then got thrown out for farking his recruits.


In practice, the military induction process is adversarial.

The recruiter will say or do whatever it takes to get you in, since his key performance metric is how many soldiers (or marines, sailors, airmen) he gets to sign on the dotted line and ship out to Basic. It's a little better in the National Guard, since quite often your recruiter is in your unit, or at least in the same armory and you will see them again and they aren't just shipping you out to never be seen again.

The staff at MEPS will do or say anything to disqualify you, since one of their key metrics for their performance is how many servicemembers they approve actually graduate Basic. Thus, if they have even the slightest clue you might have a medical problem they will DQ you in a heartbeat and you're stuck trying to get a waiver to get in.

In my case, I had a case of "white coat syndrome" when I went for my induction physical. That means I got nervous during the physical and it caused my blood pressure to spike. I got stamped with a medical disqualification and had to spend 3 months getting a waiver to prove my heart wasn't going to explode during Basic.
 
2012-02-12 01:29:48 PM

Dubai Vol: Yeah, honorably discharged vets get a DD Form 214 and are instructed to register it at their local courthouse, which I did. You need to be a total farkup to get anything else. From the story, this guy is a total farkup, and the pic of him in a skewed Yankees cap confirms that he is still a farkup. Shot even Gomer Pyle managed to avoid being that much of a farkup. Gomer farking Pyle.


I was just ranting about this to the spouse. It was HIS responsibility to make sure his shiat was straight. No one else. In the service, you triple check that crap.
He's an idiot.
 
2012-02-12 02:23:47 PM
Anyone getting out regardless of the reason needs to make sure the i's are dotted and T's crossed on their paperwork BEFORE they walk out the door. I suspect this fella knew his service record and DD-214 would do him no good on the outside looking for a job. So he probably didn't care at the time whether he had it in hand or not. Looking back though I bet he wish he had.

My DD 214 was the one thing I made dang sure I had in hand when I retired, it's worth 5 points!
 
2012-02-12 02:27:12 PM

Silverstaff: If you're in the United States Armed Forces on Active Duty, whether as regular AD military or a reservist that's called up, it's not official that you're discharged and you've got no real proof until you've got that DD-214 in your hands.

Double check whatever that DD-214 says about your time in service, the type of discharge you received, your awards, it's your main piece of proof that any of that happened. Yeah, you can get it amended afterwards, but the process is a PITA and NOT guaranteed to work.

Seriously, that was something the DS's taught us in Basic: You're not out of the Army until you've got a DD-214 saying so, and don't let ANYBODY tell you otherwise.


This, so much this.
 
2012-02-12 02:56:24 PM

Ithaca_StLondon: Dubai Vol: Yeah, honorably discharged vets get a DD Form 214 and are instructed to register it at their local courthouse, which I did. You need to be a total farkup to get anything else. From the story, this guy is a total farkup, and the pic of him in a skewed Yankees cap confirms that he is still a farkup. Shot even Gomer Pyle managed to avoid being that much of a farkup. Gomer farking Pyle.

I was just ranting about this to the spouse. It was HIS responsibility to make sure his shiat was straight. No one else. In the service, you triple check that crap.
He's an idiot.


Oh and I am sure you were the epitomy of responsibility at 20 and never made a single mistake. In your country, he isn't considered responsible enough to vote but yet he is supposed to understand every nuance of how to exit the army. You're the idiot.

//just love the victim blaming on FARK. The military f*cks up and it's the kids fault. Whatever
 
2012-02-12 03:02:55 PM

rhondajeremy: Ithaca_StLondon: Dubai Vol: Yeah, honorably discharged vets get a DD Form 214 and are instructed to register it at their local courthouse, which I did. You need to be a total farkup to get anything else. From the story, this guy is a total farkup, and the pic of him in a skewed Yankees cap confirms that he is still a farkup. Shot even Gomer Pyle managed to avoid being that much of a farkup. Gomer farking Pyle.

I was just ranting about this to the spouse. It was HIS responsibility to make sure his shiat was straight. No one else. In the service, you triple check that crap.
He's an idiot.

Oh and I am sure you were the epitomy of responsibility at 20 and never made a single mistake. In your country, he isn't considered responsible enough to vote but yet he is supposed to understand every nuance of how to exit the army. You're the idiot.

//just love the victim blaming on FARK. The military f*cks up and it's the kids fault. Whatever


Not Responsible enough to DRINK. We let Southerners and Republicans vote, so we definitely don't worry about maturity for voting.
 
2012-02-12 03:03:23 PM

kingdd: Oh you must be an expert.

I am a veteran. I have been in the Navy for 18 years. I work at a command that ends up having to process a lot of these kids that fail out for one reason or another. The rule is if someone receives an other-than-honorable discharge they are NOT entitled to ANY befenits of being a veteran. No health insurance, no GI Bill. Nothing. I see guys like this everyday. They are garage.

But I'm sure you know more about this than me since you read it on the Internet or pull something out of your ass. Having a DD-214 only means that you are no longer on active duty.


From your description above, you sound like you're still on active duty in the Navy. Maybe you've been in too long considering your comment about a certain group of discharged sailors being "garage" (sic). You sound really bitter. Perhaps you need a job change or a new assignment. I found the job stress of being in the Air Force sometimes overwhelming myself. So I did my best to change jobs and/or to PCS away.

All veterans have VA benefits to a certain extend. As the level of discharge decreased from honorable, general, etc., the VA benefits they are eligible for decrease. Yes, even dishonorably discharged personnel have VA benefits, though very, very few left in the VA tables.

Remember that many on active duty are unfairly treated and get railroaded. I've experienced that under a certain USAF captain once. Fortunately, the commander didn't follow-up on the 0-3's tirades. I've also seen commanders attempt to railroad personnel out of the USAF but AFPC didn't support their actions.

Many deserved their discharge ratings. Some don't. And that includes the some who get honorable discharges.

MSgt, USAF (Retired)
 
2012-02-12 03:08:47 PM

kingdd: JesusJuice. Thanks for a voice of reason. I was beginning to think it was Douche-baggy-asshat Day on Fark.


Oh, no, it is. The funny part is that you don't realize you're the one being a shiatdick.
 
2012-02-12 03:10:13 PM

AirForceVet: Maybe you've been in too long considering your comment about a certain group of discharged sailors being "garage" (sic). You sound really bitter.


He's a lance corporeal in the garage core, you don't know shiat. Veterans all have tattoos. Dumby chair force.
 
2012-02-12 03:10:49 PM
He's lucky -- they could have tried to bury him in the wrong grave instead.
 
2012-02-12 03:31:12 PM

Bhruic: Dubai Vol: From the story, this guy is a total farkup, and the pic of him in a skewed Yankees cap confirms that he is still a farkup.

Hmm...

His boss at the bagel shop in Tallahassee where he's worked for four years this week called him "my best employee ... basically the assistant manager." One of his professors at Florida State, where he majors in religion and has a 3.5 grade point average, spoke highly of him, calling Castro, "upright ... an excellent student." Another professor said in an email that she considers him "smart, kind, promising, inspiring."

Yup, sounds like a total farkup.


asst manager at a bagel shop? what's not farked up about that when it has no title and no extra pay. and he's majoring in religion and can't seem to get straight about the beliefs of Buddhism and Christianity.

FTFA: His mother contacted Capt. Larry Kersey at Fort Stewart, Ga., who arranged for Castro to be released from jail on the condition that he go to the airport in Tampa, where there would be a plane ticket waiting for him to fly immediately to Fort Carson.

so he gets his brains lack of understanding from his mother. capt. larry wasn't going to pop for that ticket and the army sure as hell wasn't going to so ......... yeh, he shows up at the airport and no reservation/ticket. color me (un)surprised.

the guy was and is a fark up. the sideways cap confirms it. end of story.
 
2012-02-12 03:31:17 PM

StoneColdAtheist: Speaking of MORONs...look in the mirror. The CO did not sign "the paperwork to discharge the the soldier". The CO signed paperwork directing the soldier be discharged. Those two things are not the same.

When that sinks into your head, you can apologize to FlyingLizardOfDoom.


so therefore the army owes this guy 9 years of back pay with interest.
I am quite certain when this guy left the base 9 years ago that EVERYONE involved KNEW that he had been discharged. period.

so the army owes him the back pay, right?
 
2012-02-12 03:33:13 PM
To this...I say...Meh (shrugs). At least he was able to get it straightened out.

On the other hand, he could be one of those who were done dirty by Admin. (differs according to branch; officer/enlisted) and he never gets his record straightened out. To say there weren't some sorry excuses for leaders at the root of it is about as obtuse as you can get.

To quote the movie Sin City...

/"sometimes the truth don't matter like it oughta"
 
2012-02-12 03:36:30 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Subby fails reading comprehension. He never was given his final discharge orders, so he was never discharged. Seems like a case of multiple AWOL to me.


As you were so quick to not let anyone post before you, you obviously failed reading comprehension yourself. He clarified that he had done everything he needed to do. He was answered in the affirmative. He isn't the first nor the last person this has happened to. And it's his fault how?

GFY.
 
2012-02-12 03:53:46 PM
XveryYpettyZ: Speaking of concealing asthma... the summer between high school and college I looked very closely at joining the National Guard to help pay for my education. I have a history of asthma, although not serious, and the recruiter asked me to conceal it during an interview. This was in 1999, so I'm not sure if that was more or less common then. I decided that lying about my health status wasn't really the route I wanted to go.

That happens a lot. I was told in outprocessing by the DS (Who was nice. Holy crap.) that the recruiters get a kick-back for each successful recruit they get into certain MOSes. Dunno how true it was.
 
2012-02-12 04:36:23 PM
I forgot about the rule where if I misspell something I'm automatically wrong. I guess you got me.

As for whether I'm bitter, I'm not. I love my job. I wouldn't have spent my life doing it if I didn't.

Bottom line. Guy was a turd while he was in the military. He got kicked out. Paperwork got screwed up. He got screwed over. I don't see a problem here. He signed a contract to serve and, unlike hundreds of thousands of people before him, he didn't hold up his end of the deal. Fark him. There, is that spelled correctly this time.?
 
2012-02-12 04:45:46 PM

kingdd: I forgot about the rule where if I misspell something I'm automatically wrong. I guess you got me.

As for whether I'm bitter, I'm not. I love my job. I wouldn't have spent my life doing it if I didn't.

Bottom line. Guy was a turd while he was in the military. He got kicked out. Paperwork got screwed up. He got screwed over. I don't see a problem here. He signed a contract to serve and, unlike hundreds of thousands of people before him, he didn't hold up his end of the deal. Fark him. There, is that spelled correctly this time.?


And what? So he was a farkup. Would you really want him in the military being a colossal farkup? So it was better he was gone and not endangering somebody else's son, brother, whatever by being such a farkup.

It's better that he was allowed out with as few barriers to leaving as possible. You're harboring a huge amount of hostility toward somebody you should be saying "thank god they weeded his ass out" toward... not "how could they let him out of his contract so easily."
 
2012-02-12 04:56:26 PM
Veterans..............gross.
 
2012-02-12 05:11:47 PM

XveryYpettyZ: And what? So he was a farkup. Would you really want him in the military being a colossal farkup? So it was better he was gone and not endangering somebody else's son, brother, whatever by being such a farkup.


kingdd is one of those assholes with an American flag speedo who runs around demanding his title of 'veteran' mean something to the stupid proles rather than a rational service member who realizes that 'veteran' and 'total shiathead' aren't mutually exclusive categories.
 
2012-02-12 05:21:12 PM
Wow, not only does this guy go to my alma mater, but his girlfriend was a few years ahead of me in high school.
 
2012-02-12 05:24:35 PM

sprawl15: XveryYpettyZ: And what? So he was a farkup. Would you really want him in the military being a colossal farkup? So it was better he was gone and not endangering somebody else's son, brother, whatever by being such a farkup.

kingdd is one of those assholes with an American flag speedo who runs around demanding his title of 'veteran' mean something to the stupid proles rather than a rational service member who realizes that 'veteran' and 'total shiathead' aren't mutually exclusive categories.


You're free to feel anyway you want about this subject. I've spent the majority of my life serving in the military protecting your right to have an opinion. You're right, I used to have an American Flag speedo but I left it at your Mom's house. Please ask her to stop calling.
 
2012-02-12 05:28:37 PM

kingdd: I've spent the majority of my life serving in the military protecting your right to have an opinion.


And regardless of how retarded you may be, you're still a veteran. That's how it works. Don't begrudge others the respect due them while demanding it yourself. Gen. Schofield's ghost frowns upon your posting.
 
2012-02-12 05:37:02 PM
Just helped start an AWOL warrant today, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies :)
 
2012-02-12 06:44:25 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Subby fails reading comprehension. He never was given his final discharge orders, so he was never discharged. Seems like a case of multiple AWOL to me.


NEVER fark with anyone who has power over your paper work in the military.

A guy I knew pissed off a medical, who in return, made his shot records go missing.

The guy had to get every shot ever given to a civilian or a trooper all over again.
 
2012-02-12 06:47:34 PM

namatad: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Subby fails reading comprehension. He never was given his final discharge orders, so he was never discharged. Seems like a case of multiple AWOL to me.

Maj. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the division commander, approved Castro's request for a discharge in lieu of court-martial.

The paperwork Odierno signed on Dec. 4, 2002, directed that Castro receive an other-than-honorable discharge and "be separated from the Army within five working days."

so what part of MORON are you??
the article CLEARLY states that the commanding officer signed the paper work to discharge the soldier in 5 days.
the soldier was discharged. period.
the army farked up the paper work which has nothing to do with reality.

so the army will pay for this fark up. and by army I mean tax payers.

simple solution
publicly post the name and serial number of all the outstanding AWOL WARRANTS online.
TADA
ex-soldiers and soldiers can check to see their status.

TADA
problem solved


In the Army, the paperwork IS THE REALITY. An "order to discharge" is not the same as "discharge orders." It may seem pedantic to civilians, but in the military, you need the actual paper or your ass is AWOL.
 
2012-02-12 10:44:55 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: simple solution
publicly post the name and serial number of all the outstanding AWOL WARRANTS online.
TADA
ex-soldiers and soldiers can check to see their status.

TADA
problem solved

In the Army, the paperwork IS THE REALITY. An "order to discharge" is not the same as "discharge orders." It may seem pedantic to civilians, but in the military, you need the actual paper or your ass is AWOL.


Hrm. Ya know, I'm not sure it's NOT online somewhere. I'll be home from customer site hell on Wednesday, where I have the right certificate on my browser. I'll bet the info is on the DoD website. I can see your common info, I bet AWOLs show up there too.
 
2012-02-12 10:46:50 PM
clarification - one of the SIPRnet ones. There's a sort of tortuously accessed no-details NIPRnet one as well, for all I know it'll show AWOLs as well, I can tell if you were separated during basic on that one.
 
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