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(Stars and Stripes) Asinine Bad: After leaving US Army nine years ago, veteran arrested for being AWOL finally gets discharge paperwork straightened out. Fark: He's not the only discharged vet with outstanding AWOL warrants   (stripes.com) divider line 106
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2012-02-12 12:45:43 AM
Subby fails reading comprehension. He never was given his final discharge orders, so he was never discharged. Seems like a case of multiple AWOL to me.
 
2012-02-12 07:42:28 AM
Whoever's in charge at Fort Carson is an idiot and a half. I have a 214 without my signature on it, mailed to me after a minor change was made. It just says "Member unavailable to sign" in the comments, and the E-5 at my last base's personnel office signed it. Why Ft. Carson's personnel people couldn't have done the same thing is beyond me.
 
2012-02-12 08:12:29 AM
just a case of a wuss that couldn't hack a little discipline getting what he deserved a long time ago, just in a round about way.

/where was his god then and now?
 
2012-02-12 08:12:33 AM
"But longer term, Crisp said Castro deserves a significant damages payment from the government for its error."

The lawyers are involved. Run.
 
2012-02-12 08:16:30 AM
They are letting you out again?
 
2012-02-12 08:16:36 AM
Yeah, honorably discharged vets get a DD Form 214 and are instructed to register it at their local courthouse, which I did. You need to be a total farkup to get anything else. From the story, this guy is a total farkup, and the pic of him in a skewed Yankees cap confirms that he is still a farkup. Shot even Gomer Pyle managed to avoid being that much of a farkup. Gomer farking Pyle.
 
2012-02-12 08:22:56 AM
He got his reward for going AWOL the first time. What a whiny farking biatch. Go cry on Uncle Fidel's knee.
 
2012-02-12 08:24:29 AM
Bomb Head Mohammed: "But longer term, Crisp said Castro deserves a significant damages payment from the government for its error."

The lawyers are involved. Run.


www.graffhead.com
 
2012-02-12 08:26:29 AM
You lay down with empire, you're gonna get fleas.
 
2012-02-12 08:27:15 AM
Dubai Vol: Yeah, honorably discharged vets get a DD Form 214 and are instructed to register it at their local courthouse, which I did. You need to be a total farkup to get anything else. From the story, this guy is a total farkup, and the pic of him in a skewed Yankees cap confirms that he is still a farkup. Shot even Gomer Pyle managed to avoid being that much of a farkup. Gomer farking Pyle.

Actually, if you are medically discharged before your term of service is up, you can get discharged with General under Honorable Conditions.
 
2012-02-12 08:36:27 AM
3 people screwed up here:
1. the guy escorting him around for final outprocessing (I had to do this a couple of times)
2. company commander for not ensuring everything was in order
3. himself, for not getting the DD214
4. himself, for going AWOL the first time
 
2012-02-12 08:36:50 AM
Dubai Vol: You need to be a total farkup to get anything else

Give the dude a break, He got out and was barely 20. He volunteered for the Army. This is the kind of guy the Army gets. You might as well insist his IQ suddenly shoot up.

At any rate, it's not his job to be a paperwork maestro let alone his own lawyer.

And think how nice they'd treat everybody if we were drafting them.
 
2012-02-12 08:39:05 AM
Dubai Vol: From the story, this guy is a total farkup, and the pic of him in a skewed Yankees cap confirms that he is still a farkup.

Hmm...

His boss at the bagel shop in Tallahassee where he's worked for four years this week called him "my best employee ... basically the assistant manager." One of his professors at Florida State, where he majors in religion and has a 3.5 grade point average, spoke highly of him, calling Castro, "upright ... an excellent student." Another professor said in an email that she considers him "smart, kind, promising, inspiring."

Yup, sounds like a total farkup.
 
2012-02-12 08:41:09 AM
dstanley: I have a 214 without my signature on it, mailed to me after a minor change was made. It just says "Member unavailable to sign" in the comments, and the E-5 at my last base's personnel office signed it.

Uh-oh.
 
2012-02-12 08:41:29 AM
Bhruic: Dubai Vol: From the story, this guy is a total farkup, and the pic of him in a skewed Yankees cap confirms that he is still a farkup.

Hmm...

His boss at the bagel shop in Tallahassee where he's worked for four years this week called him "my best employee ... basically the assistant manager." One of his professors at Florida State, where he majors in religion and has a 3.5 grade point average, spoke highly of him, calling Castro, "upright ... an excellent student." Another professor said in an email that she considers him "smart, kind, promising, inspiring."

Yup, sounds like a total farkup.


But his hat, you know, is skewed.
 
2012-02-12 08:41:38 AM
I'm a great believer in cosmic justice, and I think spending a few days in jail and losing financial aid is a just punishment for wearing a baseball cap at a sideways angle. Next case.
 
2012-02-12 08:55:37 AM
If you're in the United States Armed Forces on Active Duty, whether as regular AD military or a reservist that's called up, it's not official that you're discharged and you've got no real proof until you've got that DD-214 in your hands.

Double check whatever that DD-214 says about your time in service, the type of discharge you received, your awards, it's your main piece of proof that any of that happened. Yeah, you can get it amended afterwards, but the process is a PITA and NOT guaranteed to work.

Seriously, that was something the DS's taught us in Basic: You're not out of the Army until you've got a DD-214 saying so, and don't let ANYBODY tell you otherwise.
 
2012-02-12 08:56:55 AM
Out-processing was screwed up at every post I was stationed at. Instead of having one central place to make sure everything is signed at one time, you have to walk around to every little department and deal with burned out clerks that try to grasp any little authority they can. They sign off and you just have to hope they turn the paperwork in. I was a decorated Honorable - I can't imagine what it's like for less than Honorable.

/he volunteered, fark him.
 
2012-02-12 09:00:03 AM
GoBadgers: Bhruic: Dubai Vol: From the story, this guy is a total farkup, and the pic of him in a skewed Yankees cap confirms that he is still a farkup.

Hmm...

His boss at the bagel shop in Tallahassee where he's worked for four years this week called him "my best employee ... basically the assistant manager." One of his professors at Florida State, where he majors in religion and has a 3.5 grade point average, spoke highly of him, calling Castro, "upright ... an excellent student." Another professor said in an email that she considers him "smart, kind, promising, inspiring."

Yup, sounds like a total farkup.

But his hat, you know, is skewed.


I once wore white after labour day. What should happen to me?
 
2012-02-12 09:07:50 AM
Oh, and I forgot my CSB on this issue:

My wife's dad was drafted during the Vietnam War. After Basic Training, but before shipping out for Vietnam he was involved in a traffic accident on post and hurt pretty badly. He ended up not deploying to Vietnam because of recuperation from the injuries took months (but they stamped it a full recovery so no disability pension), and while he was recovering we withdrew from Vietnam. He got his Honorable Discharge DD-214 and went back home.

Around a decade later, shortly before my wife was even born, the Sheriff's Department comes out to their house with a couple of MP's with them. Somehow they had it on Army records that he was AWOL and it had finally caught up to him (I guess by computerizing records in the early 80's).

To avoid being hauled off by the MP's right then and there he had to go digging through his papers for his DD-214 and show it to them that he had been properly discharged back in 1973.
 
2012-02-12 09:16:46 AM
Dubai Vol: Yeah, honorably discharged vets get a DD Form 214 and are instructed to register it at their local courthouse, which I did. You need to be a total farkup to get anything else. From the story, this guy is a total farkup, and the pic of him in a skewed Yankees cap confirms that he is still a farkup. Shot even Gomer Pyle managed to avoid being that much of a farkup. Gomer farking Pyle.

Thanks to people using courthouses as one-stop-shops for obtaining other people's DD-214s and committing identity theft with same, that instruction isn't as common as it once was. Some offices strongly advise against that once-popular practice.

No, total farkups get DD-214s too. They were part of the collection of lovely parting gifts provided to members discharged via court-martial.

MSgt, USAF (Retired), former Judge Advocate General's Corps paralegal
 
2012-02-12 09:30:36 AM
Sent to Fort Hood in shackles. Sounds about right. I'm so glad Killeen isn't right on I35. Just seeing the large Flying Saucer parked near Temple/Belton from the interstate is enough.
 
2012-02-12 09:40:12 AM
sendbillmoney: Dubai Vol: Yeah, honorably discharged vets get a DD Form 214 and are instructed to register it at their local courthouse, which I did. You need to be a total farkup to get anything else. From the story, this guy is a total farkup, and the pic of him in a skewed Yankees cap confirms that he is still a farkup. Shot even Gomer Pyle managed to avoid being that much of a farkup. Gomer farking Pyle.

Thanks to people using courthouses as one-stop-shops for obtaining other people's DD-214s and committing identity theft with same, that instruction isn't as common as it once was. Some offices strongly advise against that once-popular practice.

No, total farkups get DD-214s too. They were part of the collection of lovely parting gifts provided to members discharged via court-martial.

MSgt, USAF (Retired), former Judge Advocate General's Corps paralegal

I got out in '92 and I'm dead certain that I was never told to register my DD-214. Did they just do this during a certain period?
 
2012-02-12 09:52:14 AM
The DBS: sendbillmoney: Dubai Vol: Yeah, honorably discharged vets get a DD Form 214 and are instructed to register it at their local courthouse, which I did. You need to be a total farkup to get anything else. From the story, this guy is a total farkup, and the pic of him in a skewed Yankees cap confirms that he is still a farkup. Shot even Gomer Pyle managed to avoid being that much of a farkup. Gomer farking Pyle.

Thanks to people using courthouses as one-stop-shops for obtaining other people's DD-214s and committing identity theft with same, that instruction isn't as common as it once was. Some offices strongly advise against that once-popular practice.

No, total farkups get DD-214s too. They were part of the collection of lovely parting gifts provided to members discharged via court-martial.

MSgt, USAF (Retired), former Judge Advocate General's Corps paralegal
I got out in '92 and I'm dead certain that I was never told to register my DD-214. Did they just do this during a certain period?


I got out in 1989 and was told to do this. It worked to: I was able to obtain a copy relatively easily after a house fire.
 
2012-02-12 09:57:25 AM
The DBS: I got out in '92 and I'm dead certain that I was never told to register my DD-214. Did they just do this during a certain period?

Don't register it. I've heard too many stories about people who've had their information stolen from DD-214s put on file. The only place that has a copy of my DD214 is the VA and DAV.

If you need to provide proof to the tax office for a property tax credit, bring it to them and show it to them. Should be all they need. You should NOT have to leave it there on file. YMMV, they might be dicks about it. Thankfully, my local tax people are fine with me just showing it to them.

Ficoce: Out-processing was screwed up at every post I was stationed at.

I still have my out-processing packet. With all 20+stamps needed from every goddamn place on post. I was on Rear-D during outprocessing so the whole thing was left up to me to figure out. Truly a daunting task, but I hit every station, went to the VFW (on post) and they processed my VA paperwork before I even left for home.

What really got me was that briefing about how to get a job in the civilian world. There were 50 people in that room and only one other combat MOS. I had known from statistics before, but it was only then I realized that there really are only 1 in 10 soldiers that are specifically trained for combat.

"What did you learn in the Army?!" They all had "electronics, office skills, mechanic"... We had "Kill people and break sh*t!"

Well, kill people and fix our broken shiat would be more accurate.

I can understand why he left Ft. Hood. They don't call it Ft. Hoodlum for no reason. We had a senior NCO go AWOL after pissing hot for cocaine 3 times and he was told he'd still be going to Iraq. Bell County Jail is full of Mother Green's troubled children.
 
2012-02-12 09:57:26 AM
THIS IS NOT A VETERAN !!!
This is a guy who was found not fit to stay in the military and was kicked out with an other than honorable discharge.
 
2012-02-12 10:05:37 AM
kingdd: THIS IS NOT A VETERAN !!!
This is a guy who was found not fit to stay in the military and was kicked out with an other than honorable discharge.


The fact that he has a DD 214 says otherwise.
 
2012-02-12 10:09:21 AM
My EAOS was March 1999. My DD214 didn't arrive until January 2011. The short version is my Commanding Officer lied.
 
2012-02-12 10:09:41 AM
The DBS: sendbillmoney: Dubai Vol: Yeah, honorably discharged vets get a DD Form 214 and are instructed to register it at their local courthouse, which I did. You need to be a total farkup to get anything else. From the story, this guy is a total farkup, and the pic of him in a skewed Yankees cap confirms that he is still a farkup. Shot even Gomer Pyle managed to avoid being that much of a farkup. Gomer farking Pyle.

Thanks to people using courthouses as one-stop-shops for obtaining other people's DD-214s and committing identity theft with same, that instruction isn't as common as it once was. Some offices strongly advise against that once-popular practice.

No, total farkups get DD-214s too. They were part of the collection of lovely parting gifts provided to members discharged via court-martial.

MSgt, USAF (Retired), former Judge Advocate General's Corps paralegal
I got out in '92 and I'm dead certain that I was never told to register my DD-214. Did they just do this during a certain period?


I can't speak to every period and every office, other than to say some military offices were more helpful than others. The purpose in the courthouse maneuver was good, back in the day. You could go get certified copies of what was (after deposit with the court) a court document, and the copies would have a raised seal (because God knows you couldn't just buy a notary stamp for $19.99 and phony up anything you wanted to ... but that's another rant). Then identity theft became an issue, and some bad guys found it really convenient to just peruse Clerk of Court websites online and get SSNs/info from unredacted scanned DD-214s.

When I was retiring in 2006, my well-meaning veteran relatives (E-7 and above) and some military friends outside of the JAG community tried to tell me to do the "register your 214 at the courthouse" thing because they'd all heard/been taught it was a good thing. Even at my own retirement/separation mass briefings, some well-meaning attendees (senior officers and NCO attendees, not the briefers) parroted the advice to do this, and were told why it was no longer a safe practice.

I've been retired for over five years now, and you know how many certified copies of my 214 I've needed? Zero.
 
2012-02-12 10:11:29 AM
I got a notice letter for not signing up with Selective Service after I was discharged from regular Army.

I still don't understand that one.
 
2012-02-12 10:11:54 AM
MFAWG: kingdd: THIS IS NOT A VETERAN !!!
This is a guy who was found not fit to stay in the military and was kicked out with an other than honorable discharge.

The fact that he has a DD 214 says otherwise.


Oh you must be an expert.

I am a veteran. I have been in the Navy for 18 years. I work at a command that ends up having to process a lot of these kids that fail out for one reason or another. The rule is if someone receives an other-than-honorable discharge they are NOT entitled to ANY befenits of being a veteran. No health insurance, no GI Bill. Nothing. I see guys like this everyday. They are garage.

But I'm sure you know more about this than me since you read it on the Internet or pull something out of your ass. Having a DD-214 only means that you are no longer on active duty.
 
2012-02-12 10:14:02 AM
Rich Cream: I got a notice letter for not signing up with Selective Service after I was discharged from regular Army.

I still don't understand that one.


Did you do more than 6 or 8 years? Because if you didn't, you need to register. If you did, you need to send SS a copy of said DD214.
 
2012-02-12 10:15:22 AM
kingdd: MFAWG: kingdd: THIS IS NOT A VETERAN !!!
This is a guy who was found not fit to stay in the military and was kicked out with an other than honorable discharge.

The fact that he has a DD 214 says otherwise.

Oh you must be an expert.

I am a veteran. I have been in the Navy for 18 years. I work at a command that ends up having to process a lot of these kids that fail out for one reason or another. The rule is if someone receives an other-than-honorable discharge they are NOT entitled to ANY befenits of being a veteran. No health insurance, no GI Bill. Nothing. I see guys like this everyday. They are garage.

But I'm sure you know more about this than me since you read it on the Internet or pull something out of your ass. Having a DD-214 only means that you are no longer on active duty.


Having a DD214 means you served. It means you are a veteran. Now go read my 4 other posts in this thread and educate your squid ass.
 
2012-02-12 10:16:31 AM
Bah, you kids haven't lived til you've earned the coveted OTH discharge. Cry babies in boot want out. Wah, wah, wah. Refusal to do the swim test. Wah, wah, wah. Can't adapt to military life. Wah, wah, wah.

You're threatened you with dishonorable discharge, life is over, quitting b/c it's hard so that's all you'll ever do is quit, can't get student loans so you may as well stay in,etc, ad nauseum.

Truth is an OTH does NOTHING bad against your future...unless you want a federal gov. job and then you're farked well and good. You CAN earn a dishonorable in boot but it takes a lot of work and it can only be awarded after a conviction via court martial.
 
2012-02-12 10:21:31 AM
MFAWG: Did you do more than 6 or 8 years? Because if you didn't, you need to register. If you did, you need to send SS a copy of said DD214.

You sure about that? I thought that was just for IRR. The part of the contract that none of us read but then realize, "oh... WTF?"
 
2012-02-12 10:22:00 AM
The_Time_Master: Actually, if you are medically discharged before your term of service is up, you can get discharged with General under Honorable Conditions.

Unless you caused your own injuries, I don't see why that should be the case. It isn't your fault if you aren't medically fit to serve.

/medically discharged for poor hearing, still got honorable
 
2012-02-12 10:22:25 AM
Ft Hood wasn't that bad. Of course I only visited and never stayed for more than a couple days at a time. I was stationed at Ft Sam which was an awesome base and also had tons of women.
 
2012-02-12 10:24:19 AM
Hey. Not just a squid. I'm a Chief and a submariner. We are actual required to be able to think and reason, unlike some of the other branches of the military.

Without getting into a major pissing contest about this, the guy in the article did very little time in the military and was kicked out on a pattern of misconduct. The fact that he opted for a OTH rather than be taken to Courts Martial says alot about how guilty he knew he was. This kid was most likely never deployed and never did anything for his country. I don't know about you but I have an emotional connection to the word veteran. Veterans are people who have made sacrifices for their country. He is not one. The fact that you are defending him says slot about you.
 
2012-02-12 10:25:52 AM
excuse me while i call my orderly room.
 
2012-02-12 10:27:55 AM
I got caught up in the selective service trap, too. Every 5 years or so some issue would pop up with SS. Come to find out back when I did the selective service paperwork one of the 7's I wrote down as my SS number looked like a 1.

As far as depositing the DD214 at the courthouse. It was never a requirement, but was strongly suggested so you wouldn't lose it. I can see the identity theft issue with this now. Hell, back then I could write down someones license plate number and find out all the owners info down at DMV for a buck.

Wonder why more criminals didn't take advantage of this stuff back when it was easy? Oh yeah, we had jobs that paid more than crime back then. Duh.
 
2012-02-12 10:30:10 AM
Maus III: You CAN earn a dishonorable in boot but it takes a lot of work and it can only be awarded after a conviction via court martial.

We had a kid just walk out of the sawdust pit at Knox. He got swarmed by the Drills and told everything you said. He packed his sh*t and we never saw him again. Always wondered if he got out or just recycled.

Got stuck with the broke dicks in reception. Got issued boots that were 2 sizes too small and my feet and calves swelled up like balloons from standing in formation for 3 hours at a time. Thankfully, we were stuck in that mid-level hell for 2 weeks so I got the right size boots and my swelling went down. But, being with those guys for a week was just fascinating. One guy threw himself down a flight of stairs to break his arm. One guy was just straight up crazy. He'd rub baby powder over his entire body all day long. A few were playing the psycho route. One was obviously a special needs kid who thought he was in the Air Force. Honestly, I couldn't wait to get back with the regular people and get to OSUT. Even when we got to the training troop, we had 4 guys try the sucking dick thing to get thrown out. Or, they were just really horny.

It just shows that many of us don't fully think through the decisions we make. It's how we react to those decisions that defines who we are.
 
2012-02-12 10:31:00 AM
kingdd: Hey. Not just a squid. I'm a Chief and a submariner. We are actual required to be able to think and reason, unlike some of the other branches of the military.

Without getting into a major pissing contest about this, the guy in the article did very little time in the military and was kicked out on a pattern of misconduct. The fact that he opted for a OTH rather than be taken to Courts Martial says alot about how guilty he knew he was. This kid was most likely never deployed and never did anything for his country. I don't know about you but I have an emotional connection to the word veteran. Veterans are people who have made sacrifices for their country. He is not one. The fact that you are defending him says slot about you.


I didn't say he served well, I said he served. Which he did.

Suck it up, sailor.
 
2012-02-12 10:31:02 AM
I'm surprised Odierno was willing to just let him go like that, given his later propensity to lock up anything with a pulse.

/grrr
 
2012-02-12 10:33:29 AM
NewportBarGuy: MFAWG: Did you do more than 6 or 8 years? Because if you didn't, you need to register. If you did, you need to send SS a copy of said DD214.

You sure about that? I thought that was just for IRR. The part of the contract that none of us read but then realize, "oh... WTF?"


Yup. AFAIK, it's a redundant system to make good and damn sure you don't fall through the cracks.

It may have changed in the last 20 years, but it's probably easy enough to figure out.
 
2012-02-12 10:34:53 AM
Having a "Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty" does not make a veteran. You could get one of these for failing out of boot camp like the guy above. You are an idiot if you think either of these losers is a veteran.
 
2012-02-12 10:35:39 AM
Gwyrddu: Unless you caused your own injuries, I don't see why that should be the case. It isn't your fault if you aren't medically fit to serve.

/medically discharged for poor hearing, still got honorable



It means the same thing. Line 24 of DD-214 Character of Service (includes upgrades) HONORABLE

/Medical discharge for rt knee.
 
2012-02-12 10:35:49 AM
NewportBarGuy: We had a kid just walk out of the sawdust pit at Knox.

Sawdust pit, what is that? I did basic training in Fort Benning, and I'm not sure what you're referring to.
 
2012-02-12 10:41:35 AM
kingdd: Having a "Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty" does not make a veteran. You could get one of these for failing out of boot camp like the guy above. You are an idiot if you think either of these losers is a veteran.

Oh, FFS. A 'Veteran' is anybody who has served in the military for any length of time, even if you find that person to be an embarassment.

I find Ollie North and Allen West to be embarrassing, but they're definitely a veteran
 
2012-02-12 10:41:38 AM
Bomb Head Mohammed: "But longer term, Crisp said Castro deserves a significant damages payment from the government for its error."

The lawyers are involved. Run.


Not in this case, since it seems that Army screwed up. In fact, if I were his lawyer I'd be arguing that since the Army claims he was never properly discharged and felt so strongly enough to issue a warrant for his arrest, then he was in fact IN the Army for those nine years, and hence is owed pack pay and benefits in addition to compensation for the wrongful arrest.

Lessee now, he was what, an E3? Since subsequent to his AWOL he had no significant behavior issues while in the Army and in civilian life, it is reasonable to presume he would have been promoted...say to E5 over the ensuing 9 years. Looking at a pay chart shows that he could have expected to roughly average about $2500/mo in total pay and benefits, so 2500 times 12 months a year times nine years is: $270,000 back pay.

And then there is the trauma and stigma of being arrested and jailed, then subsequently harassed and blamed by the Army because of the indifference and incompetence of the NCOs and Officers appointed over him, so triple damages?

This is fun! ;^)

/25 years in USAF
//DD214...I haz 3 of 'em
 
2012-02-12 10:44:37 AM
Gwyrddu: Sawdust pit, what is that? I did basic training in Fort Benning, and I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Tried to find a pic, failed.

It's "the pit" some places have sand, we had sawdust, to make falls less dangerous I guess. What it caused was you to inhale large amount of the fine dust during vigorous PT. At the end of the training, you'd all go back to the barracks and cough up half a pound of the sh*t in your lungs and look like Lady Gaga after she's run a bukkake train.

Another example of "let's make it safer" making it worse for everyone else.
 
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