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2012-02-11 04:10:59 PM
not likely
 
2012-02-11 04:12:26 PM
www.extremetech.com

What happened at the end of last year that was so good for IE?
 
2012-02-11 04:15:50 PM
I care deeply about which program people are using.
 
2012-02-11 04:20:12 PM
Every time I try to use Firefox (which used to be my default browser), it is so slow and annoying that I shut it down. Then I open the task manager and shut down the process as well (because it keeps going for some reason).

I no longer have the patience to figure out what the problem is. Chrome works fine for me, for now.
 
2012-02-11 04:24:35 PM
I use IE9 primarily. I also use Firefox and Chrome from time to time. All the sites I go to look and work the same. Tell me why I'd care what browser I'm using nowadays?
 
2012-02-11 04:36:03 PM
Firefox is the only browser I've had crash on me in the last year...repeatedly. It is getting waaaay to clunky while trying to be cute. Fark 'em.
 
2012-02-11 04:37:17 PM
skinnycatullus: Every time I try to use Firefox (which used to be my default browser), it is so slow and annoying that I shut it down.

FF 3 was notorious for this. FF9 and 10 have given me few problems. Runs nice and slick. FF is *still* faster than IE, and you can load addons like NoScript.

I'll be sticking to FF for a while longer. Can Chrome run addons like Noscript? I should check...
 
2012-02-11 04:39:59 PM
xanadian: skinnycatullus: Every time I try to use Firefox (which used to be my default browser), it is so slow and annoying that I shut it down.

FF 3 was notorious for this. FF9 and 10 have given me few problems. Runs nice and slick. FF is *still* faster than IE, and you can load addons like NoScript.

I'll be sticking to FF for a while longer. Can Chrome run addons like Noscript? I should check...


I do get sick of all the updates though.
 
2012-02-11 04:46:03 PM
xanadian: FF is *still* faster than IE, and you can load addons like NoScript.

I'll never understand this. How is it "faster" for you? I have both, and have a rather fast business-DSL connection. I've never had any site (unless its poorly programmed or on a crappy server) load "slow".

Click on shortcut for totalfark.com/greenlit... boom, its up in a second. On any browser.
 
2012-02-11 05:04:59 PM
downstairs: I'll never understand this. How is it "faster" for you? I

Hey guys, what's the problem with the economy. I mean, I've got a trust fund but who cares if bread is one dollar or ten. I mean, I have more money.

In other words, your situation means you diddly and you shouldn't brag.
 
2012-02-11 05:08:04 PM
Palemoon for little ol me.

Built on a slammed Firefox engine.

Even so I'm running v9,1 and am foggily considering rolling it back to 6 or 7
for nothing more than aesthetic reasons.
 
2012-02-11 05:09:29 PM
Firefox has been getting pretty bad recently. I switch to Chrome in the past year.
 
2012-02-11 05:17:02 PM
Firefox suffers because it's driven by engineers, not product managers that have a wider vision of use scenarios and skillsets on the spectrum of users. E.g. I grew tired of asking why ctrl-p/Print was removed for pop-up conext menus in frames. The answer I got was "people shoukd just know that ctrl-p means print". Usability fail.

I'm on bugzilla cc for bugs I filed OVER TEN YEARS ago that are still open.

There aren't enough adults working on guiding the product to be competitive. I'm now a chrome+adblock user and moved on. No one cares anymore. The war is over.
 
2012-02-11 05:19:43 PM
someone in the comments section has a very sensitive snoot:

preilly2
I totally agree. That's why I use the
Chromium-based SRWare Iron browser. It's Google Chrome
with all the Google spying disabled. You almost can't find even a mention of it on US
or UK-based tech sites, however---such is the clout of Google.
BTW, Firefox is still my browser of choice.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-02-11 05:20:02 PM
I finally tried chromium and surprisingly it does feel a little faster than Firefox, and lacks some Firefox glitches. I don't use Javascript and I don't care whether that part is faster. Option setting (once I found it the first time) is easier too.

I am worried about this part though:


******


--- +chromium-12.0.742.122 -------------------
Your default datasize might not be enough for v8 so if you
experience the infamous "Aw, Snap!" error messages try to
raise your datasize limit to a higher value.
To set it to 715M you can do the following:

$ ulimit -d 716800

or modify /etc/login.conf.

And opening lots of tabs may necessitate higher fd limits,
crank that via ulimit/limits.

****

I hate resource hogs. My day job has me compressing microcode where we're counting words, not megabytes.

And this text entry thingee is annoying because it doesn't respect page up / page down. It has the "scrolls the opposite direction to the button you press" bug from Microsoft-land. That's where arrow and scroll keys don't adjust the viewing port, they adjust some location which may be off screen and then warp the viewport to that location. In firefox if I page down while in the text entry box, the text entry box pages down.
 
2012-02-11 05:20:15 PM
FishyFred: What happened at the end of last year that was so good for IE?

I wondered about that too. Did microsoft release a windows update for IE at that time? Updates sometimes magically revert default browsers to IE. I also noticed that, the same time of IE's spike, the other browsers dropped by the equivalent amount.

/anyone else got a better theory?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-02-11 05:22:06 PM
Was end of year when Microsoft released the IE6-killing autoupdate?

One more annoying thing about Chromium -- it grabs input focus when I don't want it to.
 
2012-02-11 05:25:55 PM
This is what happens when your lightweight alternative browser because as much of a bloated memory hog as the browser you were trying to replace.

//FF still has the best addons
//noscript ftw
 
2012-02-11 05:43:57 PM
I've got Chrome and FF installed on this comp. There is such a thing as too stripped down. That's Chrome.
 
2012-02-11 05:53:28 PM
FishyFred: What happened at the end of last year that was so good for IE?

A bunch of new computers for the holidays?
 
2012-02-11 06:04:39 PM
doyner: I do get sick of all the updates though.

SO MUCH THIS- I especially hate it when I hop on my computer to look something up and when I click on FF I get a "Please wait while firefox updates". Such BS. Oh yeah, then after it updates I get yet another popup about add-ons that may or may not work anymore. I'm using FF right now, but I am seriously thinking it's time for a change to Chrome.
 
2012-02-11 06:13:53 PM
Dinki: I get yet another popup about add-ons that may or may not work anymore

I do have to say, that is my least favorite part about FF.
 
2012-02-11 06:16:26 PM
doglover: downstairs: I'll never understand this. How is it "faster" for you? I

Hey guys, what's the problem with the economy. I mean, I've got a trust fund but who cares if bread is one dollar or ten. I mean, I have more money.

In other words, your situation means you diddly and you shouldn't brag.


That's about the most bizarre reply I've gotten to a comment about web browsers
 
2012-02-11 06:24:54 PM
skinnycatullus: Every time I try to use Firefox (which used to be my default browser), it is so slow and annoying that I shut it down. Then I open the task manager and shut down the process as well (because it keeps going for some reason).

I no longer have the patience to figure out what the problem is. Chrome works fine for me, for now.


Same here. Though I actually prefer Firefox in terms of everything else, the slowness was just killing it for me.
 
2012-02-11 06:38:05 PM
downstairs: doglover: downstairs: I'll never understand this. How is it "faster" for you? I

Hey guys, what's the problem with the economy. I mean, I've got a trust fund but who cares if bread is one dollar or ten. I mean, I have more money.

In other words, your situation means you diddly and you shouldn't brag.

That's about the most bizarre reply I've gotten to a comment about web browsers


Heh, now read it in Homer's overly sarcastic voice (Oooh, Lisa's too good for that camp etc. etc.).
 
2012-02-11 06:57:07 PM
I don't think Firefox is slow, but it crashes a lot.
 
2012-02-11 07:29:48 PM
I was biatching about FF being so damned slow (and crashes more than NASCAR) so my IT whiz cousin says "try Chrome" and I've been there since. No regrets.
 
2012-02-11 07:42:23 PM
I see that Adblock is available for Chrome, so I might have to give it a whirl.
 
2012-02-11 07:44:58 PM
Wonder if that fact that it seems Google Chrome is on optional add to just about everything you download has anything to do with it?
 
2012-02-11 07:46:52 PM
cryinoutloud: I don't think Firefox is slow, but it crashes a lot.

Speaking as someone who currently has 25 tabs open -- which is not very many for me -- let me point out that you're full of shiat.

I haven't seen Firefox crash once in the past six months, and believe me I spend more time on the web than you.
 
2012-02-11 07:47:04 PM
skinnycatullus: Every time I try to use Firefox (which used to be my default browser), it is so slow and annoying that I shut it down. Then I open the task manager and shut down the process as well (because it keeps going for some reason).

I no longer have the patience to figure out what the problem is. Chrome works fine for me, for now.


THIS. I used to be a big proponent of firefox, but about a year or two ago it started crashing almost every time I used it. Chrome isn't the most stable program I've ever used either, but at least when it crashes it doesn't freeze and force me to go the task manager.
 
2012-02-11 07:47:13 PM
Having RAM problems? I feel bad for you son, I've got 99 problems but RAM ain't one.

/chrome user
//8 GBs of RAM.
 
2012-02-11 07:48:08 PM
Browsers come and go. Get used to it.

www.guidebookgallery.org
 
2012-02-11 07:50:12 PM
www.wildsound.ca

You must think in Russian.
 
2012-02-11 07:50:24 PM
Also, I'm getting more and more uneasy about Google's internet hegemony. I have a gmail account (2 actually) and use Google calendars. But when I surf I intentionally log out of my mail and make sure my FF browser is logged out as well. I don't need one company knowing that much about my online life. There is no way I'm switching to Chrome. Not in eleventy billion years.
 
2012-02-11 07:51:04 PM
With Google planning on going balls out with the data mining, I believe I will stick with Firefox.
 
2012-02-11 07:54:03 PM
Meh.
 
2012-02-11 07:54:36 PM
Seems to be working just fine for me.

/However when I switched from XP to Fedora, it WAS the end of my copy of Internet Exploder.
 
2012-02-11 07:54:56 PM
FishyFred: [www.extremetech.com image 640x374]

What happened at the end of last year that was so good for IE?


People getting new computers and using IE to download Chrome/Firefox.
 
2012-02-11 07:57:01 PM
beantowndog: I care deeply about which program people are using.

Everyone else cares deeply about your deep caring. We're all glad you took time out of your busy schedule of deep caring about other threads to provide such a valuable contribution to this one.
 
2012-02-11 07:58:40 PM
For some reason i expected to find someone talking about why it's no longer the best.

Turns out it's just a dip in popularity he's talking about.
 
2012-02-11 07:59:20 PM
Opera user since the late 90's
Never had a problem with it. I have no idea why it isn't more popular??
 
2012-02-11 08:01:09 PM
I just switched back to Firefox after using Chrome for the past many months. Now that so many sites are using a Facebook plugin for the comments sections of their articles, Chrome is the only browser of the big 3 that won't resize them so they're readable. Anybody know of a solution?
 
2012-02-11 08:06:47 PM
SumoJeb: Opera user since the late 90's
Never had a problem with it. I have no idea why it isn't more popular??


Because when Opera launched, it cost money. And every other browser was free.

Then it became adware, when every other browser was free.

Then by the time it became free, no one gave a crap.
 
2012-02-11 08:08:23 PM
SumoJeb: Opera user since the late 90's
Never had a problem with it. I have no idea why it isn't more popular??


Same here.

Much more secure than IE, not unstable bloatware like Firefox and handles tabs (and resources on my system) better than Chrome.

Only problem I have with it is some ad Fark added in the last couple of weeks that causes it to randomly crash.

/Fark, the Ad Aggregator
 
2012-02-11 08:09:16 PM
I've been having problems with Firefox locking up for a minute at a time, so I finally decided to try out Chrome since they have a NoScript and AdBlockPlus equivalent. I enjoyed the speed, heck I enjoyed the whole browser... until I found out you can't run the NoScript with cookies disabled. And you can't customize your privacy settings nearly to the extent that you can with Firefox.

So I'm back on Firefox. Yeah, it's slower, yeah it locks up from time to time, but I'm a hell of a lot more comfortable with the settings I can use on it compared to Chrome.
 
2012-02-11 08:10:28 PM
dennysgod: Wonder if that fact that it seems Google Chrome is on optional add to just about everything you download has anything to do with it?

i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-02-11 08:11:34 PM
xanadian: skinnycatullus: Every time I try to use Firefox (which used to be my default browser), it is so slow and annoying that I shut it down.

FF 3 was notorious for this. FF9 and 10 have given me few problems. Runs nice and slick. FF is *still* faster than IE, and you can load addons like NoScript.

I'll be sticking to FF for a while longer. Can Chrome run addons like Noscript? I should check...


There's NotScripts, which works pretty well, but isn't quite as plug-and-play as NoScript for Firefox. You have to manually edit a file when you install NotScripts.

/posting this from Firefox
//uses Chrome mostly for Google Maps
 
2012-02-11 08:11:45 PM
MrEricSir: cryinoutloud: I don't think Firefox is slow, but it crashes a lot.

Speaking as someone who currently has 25 tabs open -- which is not very many for me -- let me point out that you're full of shiat.

I haven't seen Firefox crash once in the past six months, and believe me I spend more time on the web than you.


It crashes on me at least once a day, usually at night. Every day, there's about a 95% chance I'll get up from the computer, go to bed, and get up in the morning to find the "Sorry, Firefox encountered a problem and had to close" message greeting me.
 
2012-02-11 08:15:07 PM
As someone who has been using Firefox since 2005, is it really worth the effort to forego all of my favorite firefox add-ons and everything else I'm familiar with? What about Chrome is worth the effort to convert? I definitely appreciate any sort of minimalistic approach for software regarding system resources, but honestly Firefox has never been that noticeable of a drag on my system.

I haven't tried Chrome in a couple years and from what the article says, it looks like I should give it another try...
 
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